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Hi antiX community,
Are there any docker users here? Today I noticed that, the docker daemon was unable to start on my antiX 21 environment. I wonder whether any docker users here can share your experience on docker + antiX21.
The steps below are how I encountered (and reproduced) the issue on my antiX 21 live CD/USB. I believe I used the same steps at 1+ year ago when I was using antiX 19.3 and it was successful at that time.
1. Start afresh, by booting a VM with the official antiX 21 full iso.
2. Follow step 2 & 3 here in the official Docker installation guide on “Set up the repository”. (Its step 1 seems unnecessary.)
3. I did NOT continue with the “Install Docker Engine” steps from the official docker installation guide (shall I?). I switch to use antiX’s “Synaptic Package Manager”, “Reload” its content, and then I can search “docker-ce” and install it successfully.
4. After the installation, the docker daemon is – I don’t quite remember – either already automatically running in the background, or your can simply do “sudo service docker start” to start it.
5. And then you can use “docker” command the way it should be.
6. At this point, I want to make an ISO snapshot with my current system. (FWIW, I did add 3 more minor CLI software, but they shouldn’t make a difference to the docker behaviors.)
7. When I reboot my VM with the new ISO CD, everything else works as expected, but the docker daemon is not running. Manually runs “sudo service docker start” or “sudo dockerd”, and the result is the same:... failed to start daemon: rename /var/lib/docker/runtimes /var/lib/docker/runtimes-old: invalid cross-device linkSearching online, some info said it was relative to the use of the overlay filesystem. That hypothesis perhaps makes sense, as antiX’s live CD or live USB does use overlay filesystem. But the thing is, I remember that I could to the same step 1-7 successfully when I was using antix 19.3. I currently still have such an antiX 19.3 snapshot ISO, whose docker works.
I hope some other docker users here can shed some light here.
Regards,
Ray Luo- This topic was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by anticapitalista. Reason: solved
32-bit computing beyond the P-III 1Ghz with 512MB
For several years I have been experimenting with an old Pentium-III and Linux to see if I could keep the old machine useful. I have written about it often on this forum. This exercise has not been so much about doing serious work as it has been a hobby and having some fun trying to shoe-horn an old machine into the modern world. For the most part I have been able to keep this old machine doing useful things, even browsing the web. The most success has been with the antiX Linux distribution. It has been amazing to me that I can still use a P-III 1Ghz with only 512MB of RAM, which was first used in the year 2000, all the way into 2021, and soon into 2022.
Over the years I have acquired several more old computers through our normal upgrade procedures in our business. As we upgrade to new computers the old computers are sent out to pasture, many of them coming into my lab where I enjoy my hobby of playing with old computers. Last year I retired our last Pentium 4, which was holding on as a backup file server in my office.
I now had several Pentium 4 32-bit computers that I could experiment with. I decided I wanted to see what I could do with these 32-bit computers that were somewhat more powerful and capable than my favorite Pentium-III. I had been able to keep my P-III alive with only 512MB of RAM. What could I do with these P4‘s with from 1GB to 3GB of ram?
I had already learned that the old P-III would not handle cloud computing on sites like Google Docs. It also choked on the Firefox browser and a lot of my exercises were about finding alternate browsers that would work better than Firefox on this old equipment. Now I wondered if I could get better results with these P4‘s with more RAM. I embarked on an experiment to find out what these P4‘s could do on the modern web.
I chose my four best P4 computers and set them up with progressively more RAM and then I performed a series of tests to compare these machines. The four P4 machines are as follows, in progressive order from lower specs to higher specs.
ECS P4VMM2 P4 w/ 1GB RAM
2.4Ghz Northwood, 1GB DDR1, 80GB IDE, BIOS 2003HP d220 MT P4 w/ 1.5GB RAM
2.67Ghz Northwood, 1.5GB DDR1, 80GB IDE, BIOS 2005IBM ThinkCentre 8189MUD P4 w/ 2GB RAM
2.8Ghz Northwood, 2GB DDR1, 300GB IDE, BIOS 2004Intel 915GEV P4HT w/ 3GB RAM
3.2Ghz Prescott, 3GB DDR2, 120GB IDE, BIOS 2006After I started the tests I decided to add some more systems that fell somewhere between the P-III 1Ghz w/ 512MB and my best P4. I also added one system that is newer than my best P4. The added systems for this experiment are as follows.
Compaq Deskpro EN P-III w/ 512MB RAM (this is the P-III already spoken about above)
1Ghz Coppermine, 512MB SDRAM. 100GB IDE, BIOS 2000Dell Dimension 4300 P4 w/ 512MB RAM (this is the earliest P4)
1.7Ghz Willamette, 512MB SDRAM, 40GB IDE, BIOS 2001Dell Dimension 2400 Celeron w/ 1GB RAM
2.4Ghz Northwood. 1GB DDR1, 48GB IDE, BIOS 2003HP zv5000 P4 w/ 1.25GB RAM
1.6Ghz Athlon XP 3000+, 1.25GB DDR1, 55GB IDE, BIOS 2004Dell Dimension E521 w/ 2GB RAM (earliest 64-bit dual core, step up from P4HT)
1.9Ghz Athlon 64 X2 3600+, 2GB DDR2, 240GB SSD, BIOS 2007This makes a full lineup of nine computers. Will any of these old computers allow cloud computing using Google Docs? If so, what will be the minimum requirement? We already know the P-III 1Ghz w/ 512MB won’t work with this task. What do we need to move up to to make this a usable application? Are any of these old computers capable of standing in as a daily driver?
The metrics used for this experiment included the following:
Time to boot from the Grub menu
Initial RAM used after startup
Disk space used after initial install and setup
RAM used for Firefox and a single tab on Google
Time to load Google Drive page ready for editing
RAM used on Google Drive with two tabs and editing single doc
Time to load single doc for editing
RAM used on Google Drive with three tabs and editing two docs
Time to load second doc for editing, two open docs
RAM used with Google Drive open with 2 docs and Local document open in LO/Abiword
Is the system snappy? or sluggish? Poor, Fair, Good?
Time to shutdownI experimented with several distros, including antiX, MX, Debian, Q4OS, Bunsenlabs, Sparky, LMDE, Bhodi, and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. On all of these computers there was no comparison to antiX in terms of RAM used. And overall snappiness was always good with antiX, even on the oldest computers and with the least amount of RAM. Some of these computers also run other distros very well, such as MX XFCE or Tumbleweed on the P4HT w/ 3GB of RAM. But after all was considered I have used antiX as the basis for a fair comparison between all of these machines. While some can run other distros fairly good they can all run antiX.
Here is a brief review of each of these nine computers, after which I will make a judgment about which systems, if any, could fill in as a daily driver in 2021.
[Note – as all but one of these machines is 32-bit I am using Firefox ESR as my browser for supporting Google Workspace. I use Chromium on 64-bit machines for Google Workspace but Chromium is not supported on these 32-bit machines. Google Workspace also does not like browsers like SeaMonkey or Otter-Browser, which are my usual browsers on these old machines]
1. Pentium III 1Ghz w/ 512MB
This is the computer I already know very well. I already know that this computer is not capable of being used on the cloud with Google Workspace. It cannot run Firefox good enough for Google Workspace. As a general computer, not including Google Workspace or other web centric applications it runs “fair”. Not snappy, but usable.2. Pentium 4 1.7Ghz w/ 512MB
What about moving up to a Pentium 4 but with same RAM as the old P-III? Will that be enough to use Firefox and Google Workspace? No. The only advantage this machine has over the P-III is that it supports SSE2 and thus the current SeaMonkey version. This makes it a slightly better general use computer than the P-III but it still can’t do Google Workspace.3. Celeron 2.4Ghz w/ 1GB
This Celeron is a crippled P4 and does not perform much better than the P-III. Even with 1GB of RAM it cannot be used with Google Workspace. It takes more than 2 minutes to load Google Drive and another 7 minutes to load a Google Doc for editing. Even as a general computer it is only slightly better than using the P-III. Like the first P4 it supports SSE2 and with more RAM than the P-III it is a little better than both the P-III and the first P4. But not enough to be impressed.4. Pentium 4 2.4Ghz w/ 1GB
This machine is only slightly better than the above Celeron. Google Workspace can barely be used. It takes nearly a minute to load the Google Drive and an additional 1:30 to load a document for editing and another 2:00 for the second document. That’s between 4 and 5 minutes to load two Docs for editing. Way too slow to be productive. And the RAM used is over 800 so not much room left out of 1024. As a general computer it is better than the Celeron and it is a better choice over the P-III. But not good enough for Google Workspace.5. Athlon XP 3000+ 1.6Ghz w/ 1.25GB
This machine is almost capable of running Google Workspace. It takes 0:31 to load Google Drive and another 0:33 to load the first document. RAM use is about 800 with these two tabs open. Another 1:07 to load a second doc in the third tab and RAM is over 900. With 1.25GB of RAM this does not allow much more room. It is better to do one thing at a time. Maybe you could edit one document. But it is not very productive. As a general use computer it is more snappy – not great but fair to good.6. Pentium 4 2.67Ghz w/ 1.5GB
This machine is slightly better than the Athlon XP above, taking a few less seconds to load and the RAM used is over 900. With 1.5GB there is enough headroom in RAM. It is better than the P4 with 1GB of RAM and a little snappier. It is still not a great machine for Google Workspace but it is more bearable with this 1.5GB of RAM. It takes over 2.5 minutes to load two docs which is a little more than the Athlon XP but there is a little more RAM to work with. As a general machine it is also fair to good.7. Pentium 4 2.8Ghz w/ 2GB
This machine is close to allowing using Google Workspace at an acceptable pace. It takes about 2 minutes to load two Google docs and the RAM used is about 942. The pace is about the same as the two machines immediately above but there is more RAM to work with. The general feel is also fair to good. This machine can also run more distros due to the larger RAM. It runs most other distros at “fair”, not snappy – but they run.8. Pentium 4HT 3.2Ghz w/ 3GB
I have had this machine setup in my lab for several years. It is my best Pentium 4 and has Hyper Threading so it runs like a Dual Core and with the 3GB of RAM it can run most distros. I usually use MX XFCE on this machine. I also have Q4OS and Tumbleweed on this machine. This machine can run Firefox and Google Workspace at a comfortable pace. It takes about 1.5 minutes to load the two Google Docs and uses about 845 of RAM with antiX. As a general computing experience, including Firefox and Google Docs, it is a “Good”. It is snappy in antiX and close to snappy in MX and Q4OS.9. Athlon 64 X2 3600+ w/ 2GB
This is the only machine in this line up with a dual core and 64-bit processor. It runs Google Workspace comparably to the P4HT above. I also tested 64-bit Chromium and it had the best results, taking about 1:18 to open the two Google Docs and using about 1024 of RAM in antiX 19.3 64-bit. It was about the same using Firefox in antiX-21 32-bit. This machine is snappy in antiX and rates “Good” as a general use computer.So, what did my experiments reveal?
Will any of these old computers allow cloud computing using Google Docs? If so, what will be the minimum requirement?
Yes, a Pentium 4 with at least 2GB seems to be the minimum requirement for making use of Google Workspace. The single core P4 is still a little sluggish but with 2GB or RAM it is possible to use Google Docs and have a “fair” experience.
The P4 with Hyper Threading is the best 32-bit computer for Google Workspace. Of all the Pentium 4‘s in this lineup it is the best, and it is comparable to the true Dual Core Athlon 64-bit X2.
Are any of these old computers capable of standing in as a daily driver?
Yes, both the 32-bit P4HT 3.2GHz w/ 3GB and the 64-bit Athlon 1.9Ghz w/ 2GB are good enough to use a daily driver. They both run antiX very good and they both also run well with MX or Q4OS.
It is my opinion that you need to be able to work with cloud computing on your computers these days. Services like Google Workspace and Office 365, and others, allow you to collaborate and synchronize your efforts with a team or allow you to shift your work progress from one place to another. Yes, there are other ways to collaborate and synchronize. But cloud computing really makes it especially good for business people to get the most out of their office computer systems.
If your work routine is primarily office applications you can make it work with Linux and an older two threaded computer, even a 32-bit Pentium 4. If you can, you should try to secure at least a Dual Core 64-bit machine. But if all you can get is an old Pentium 4 don’t worry. Just put more RAM in it and use antiX or MX and you’ll be able to get your work done.
Seaken64