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[Member seaken64]

I installed 21b2 on two bare metal computers today. One the first one I chose the “Legacy” kernel when booting the Live USB. But I noticed that after it was installed I had the 5.10.* kernel installed. It’s okay on that system since it’s only about 10 years old, a Core2 Duo with 4GB of RAM and the 5.10.* kernel seems to work okay. But I have a few older machines I want to put a21 on and I want to use the Legacy 4.9.* series. I’m not sure how I can get the 4.9.* series to isntall instead of the 5.10.* series since I think the installer uses the latest kernel it finds for the install.

On the second machine I also chose the Legacy at Live USB and after install I had the 5.10.*. I rebooted into the 4.9.* kernel using the “Advanced” choice from the grub menu. I used Synaptic to remove the 5.10.* series kernel package and updated the grub to remove the 5.10.* entry. I then rebooted and booted into the 4.9.* series from grub.

I figured the 4.9.* series would use a little less memory at startup and on these old computers I don’t need anything beyond 4.19.*. I guess I will have to update the iso to have only the 4.9.* series kernel image before I try to install to my ancient Pentium-III and Pentium-4’s.

I got the initial idle memory to be about 110M on the Conkey. But weirdly, the reported RAM used in inxi says over 311M. Htop and free are both closer to the Conkey measure, between 130 and 150. I’m not sure why the inxi number is so much higher.

Other than these two issues I have not seen any difference in how antiX-21 works. I did notice that when I ran Chrome on a Watch ESPN stream today (US Open Tennis match) that the CPU use was a lot lower than in MX-19 and the memory use is also a little lower. So, it seems Bullseye is pretty good on these old machines.

Seaken64

[Member andyprough]

Sorry I’m coming in after the fact on this. I think if antiX ever does offer an official libre spin, it will be a big hit among the Linux-libre and libreboot crowd. For the most part they are stuck with Trisquel, which mostly has old Ubuntu packages that are 3-4 years out of date, or Parabola, which is an Arch spin that tends to be pretty unstable and requires frequent fixing of breakage. antiX-libre would give them a stable, yet up to date option. The people who tried my libre respin raved about it.

Otherwise, I think you made the right choice on the base ISO. If you do an antiX-libre official spin, it should have desktop or window manager options, as the libre folks don’t tend to be up to speed on building up xorg and desktop options from a minimalist base.

[Member marcelocripe]

Hello everybody.

The tests I did were using the ISO “antiX-21-b2_x64-full.iso” on a USB device prepared with Ventoy. Unfortunately, I won’t have the time available to do the amount of tests I’d like to do, so I’ll leave my general impressions here, the ones my eyes can easily see.

It was possible to boot normally in pt-BR language, the ISO boot menus are OK, both the first level of choice of language and kernel that will be started, as well as the second level menu, both have the texts I entered in Transifex.

The ISO “antiX-21-b2_x64-full.iso” was initialized with the modern kernel and the Rox-IceWM desktop, connected to the internet via cable, the RAM memory consumption:

155 MB displayed on Conky
141 MB displayed in Terminal with free -m command
196 MB displayed in Terminal with htop command
139 MB displayed in Task Manager

A small but very important detail, removing the file manager as root from the toolbar, unfortunately, in this case is the safest action to do, particularly I always removed this shortcut so the end user would not risk destroying the your system unintentionally.

I switched between the other desktops and didn’t notice any problems.

I managed to notice that the texts displayed in the first level menu are updated/corrected in pt-BR (I thank you for accepting them anti-capitalist). I’ve been looking at the menus, some .desktop files I sent you didn’t make it into the ISO (it’s my fault I sent it in several parts, I can send you again):
ds-other-desktops.desktop
alsamixer.desktop
speaker-test.desktop

Can I send you the .desktop files that don’t have proper pt-BR texts?
lxappearance.desktop
sysv-rc-conf.desktop

Please consider including the AppSelect translations available at https://www.transifex.com/antix-linux-community-contributions/antix-contribs/dashboard/

Can I send you the screenshots of control panel items that do not yet have entries in Transifex and therefore are not translated in Control Panel?

I went to Control Center > Session > Login Manager (this is not translated to “Gerenciador de Início de Sessão”), opened the password prompt box and the program opened normally. The “Login Manager” program now starts with the click on the menu, as well as via the Control Center, the user’s password has been requested and both.

I tested some of the slimski themes, the slimski and slimski theme output delay is much smaller compared to ISO “antiX-21-b1_x64-full.iso”.

The “Toobar Icon Manager” for now is the version where the icon list doesn’t “see” the 4-letter languages ​​of the “.desktop” files. The solution should be https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/toolbar-icon-manager-for-icewm-altered-version/ in the PPC revision of the code.

Personal Menu > Personal Menu Help Videos:
Displays the message:
“Streamlight
Livestreamer reported an error. See log for details
”

I hope everyone can understand my text correctly and my intention is to help, as you know my texts are automatic translations from the internet translator.

Thank you very much.

marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese)

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Olá a todos.

Os testes que eu fiz foram utilizando a ISO “antiX-21-b2_x64-full.iso” em um dispositivo USB preparado com o Ventoy. Infelizmente, eu não terei tempo disponível para fazer a quantidade de testes que eu gostaria de fazer, por isso deixarei aqui as minhas impressões gerais, aquelas que os meus olhos conseguem ver facilmente.

Foi possível iniciar normalmente em idioma pt-BR, os menus de inicialização da ISO estão OK, tanto o nível primeiro de escolha do idioma e do kernel que será iniciado, quanto ao menu do segundo nível, ambos estão com os textos que eu inseri no Transifex.

A ISO “antiX-21-b2_x64-full.iso” foi inicializada com o kernel moderno e a área de trabalho Rox-IceWM, conectado na internet via cabo, o consumo de memória RAM:

155 MB exibido no Conky
141 MB exibido no Terminal com o comando free -m
196 MB exibido no Terminal com o comando htop
139 MB exibido no Gerenciador de Tarefas

Um pequeno detalhe, mas muito importante, a retirada do gerenciador de arquivos como root da barra de ferramentas, infelizmente, neste caso é ação mais segura a se fazer, particularmente eu sempre removia este atalho para o usuário final não correr o risco de destruir o seu sistema sem querer.

Eu alternei entre as outras áreas de trabalho e não percebi qualquer tipo de problemas.

Eu consegui observar que os textos exibidos no menu do primeiro nível estão atualizados/corrigidos em pt-BR (eu agradeço por aceitá-los anticapitalista). Eu estive olhando para os menus, alguns arquivos .desktop que eu te enviei não entraram na ISO (a culpa é minha por ter enviado em várias partes, eu posso te enviar novamente):
ds-other-desktops.desktop
alsamixer.desktop
speaker-test.desktop

Eu posso te enviar, os arquivos .desktop que não possuem textos em pt-BR adequados?
lxappearance.desktop
sysv-rc-conf.desktop

Por favor, considere incluir a traduções do AppSelect disponíveis em https://www.transifex.com/antix-linux-community-contributions/antix-contribs/dashboard/

Eu posso te enviar as imagens dos itens do painel de controle que ainda não possuem entradas no Transifex e que por isso não estão traduzidas no Painel de Controle?

Eu acessei o Centro de Controle > Sessão > Login Manager (não está traduzido para “Gerenciador de Início de Sessão”), abriu a caixa de solicitação de senha e o programa abriu normalmente. O programa “Gerenciador de Início de Sessão” agora inicia com o clique no menu, bem como através do Centro de Controle, a senha do usuário foi solicitada e ambos.

Testei alguns dos temas do slimski, o atraso na saída do slimski e do tema do slimski está bem menor se comparado a ISO “antiX-21-b1_x64-full.iso”.

O “Toobar Icon Manager” por enquanto é a versão que a lista de ícones não “enxerga” os idiomas de 4 letras dos arquivos “.desktop”. A solução deve estar https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/toolbar-icon-manager-for-icewm-altered-version/ na revisão que o PPC fez do código.

Menu Pessoal > Vídeos de Ajuda do Menu Pessoal:
Exibe a mensagem:
“Streamlight
Livestreamer reported an error. See log for detais
”

Eu espero que todos consigam compreender corretamente o meu texto e a minha intenção que é de ajudar, como sabem os meus textos são traduções automáticas do tradutor da internet.

Muito obrigado.

marcelocripe
(Texto original em Português do Brasil)

[Member Xecure]

All live menus in UEFI are still the old ones (Space-xxx), so I will also replace them in iso-template and gfxboot in a bit.

christophe wrote:

Noticed that the Tab+left-click no longer allows one to grab & move a window. (Was a handy way to move & fix over-sized windows.)

Also, on fluxbox toolbar – left click on “workspace” used to move us to prev workspace, and right click used to move us to next workspace – but no longer. Instead we get a toolbar settings menu. (Old way was nicer, I think.)

Maybe I am confused, but I thought the Alt+click was the default for moving and resizing (except in herbstluft, where it is Meta+click, which I prefer).
Also, on fluxbox, I think the mouse wheel is used to switch between workspaces (on the toolbar).
I think you are confusing it with a different WM.

calciumsodium wrote:

Also, I could not find the old windows wireless drivers program (ndisgtk)

As skidoo mentioned, all ndiswrapper packages have been removed from Debian bullseye. They were old and would not build for the newer 5.X kernels (I think), so they were disposed of.

I will be sending a merge request to add menu-manager to Personal Menu and replace the “Personal Menu Help Video” streamlight exec command to instead launch the youtube video with mpv.

anticapitalista wrote:

* zzzFM mime defaults not consistent with rox eg audio/pdf files open with mpv/libreoffice rather than xmms/qpdfview

Should I take a look at desktop-defaults-rox-antix, but it seems that ~/.local/share/mime is missing in amd64 version.

antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.

[Member Xecure]

In the little time I have been testing, seems solid.
I forgot to send the merge request with the live desktop selection of herbstluft in grub menus. I have now sent the merge request to iso-template and gfxboot (though the important one will probably be in the build-iso).

Reported in last beta, the issue of launching file manager from browser (or others) launching search is fixed. With the recent change now it will open desktop-defaults-follow-fm (though it always opens in rox), so at least the annoying problem is gone.

Changing repos, updating, etc. seems to work as expected.

Thanks for the great work. Tomorrow I should have a bit more time to check other differences between b1 and b2 (apart from the sated in the post).

antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.

We have 2 versions for experienced users to try. These iso files default to using SysVinit.

antiX-21-b2-x64-full and antiX-21-b2-386-full are beta quality releases for experienced testers of antiX to test and provide feedback before final release.
Do not use this as your main OS, though it *might* be possible to upgrade to final (no promises).

* customized antiX 4.9.0-279 and 5.10.57 kernels on the 64 bit live iso. Please try both in your tests.
* customized antiX 4.9.0-279-486-non-pae kernel on the 32 bit live iso. (pae versions available in the repos)
* grub/UEFI live boot changes. Select live boot options (persistence, etc…) from the boot menu and sub menus rather than using the previous console menus. Please check localisation.
* New installer partition selection area, including some lvm support if lvm volume exists.
* no virtualbox-guest packages so best to test on real hardware – live, frugal or installed.
* added mesa vulkan drivers
* improved localisation of apps and live system

BIG NEWS!

We now include 2 (forked) in house apps provided by antiX user skidoo. (Many thanks).
* zzzFM replaces SpaceFM
* slimski replaces slim login manager.

Please post any feedback at antiX forums and state if you are testing live, frugal, in a virtual machine or on bare metal. We are particularly interested in testing the new UEFI live system boot menus as well as testing the installer. Virtualbox testing is welcome, but we are mainly looking for issues on real hardware(if any).

Files here:Testing

Known issue(s):

* libreoffice complains about missing java, but it still works ok.
* zzzFM mime defaults not consistent with rox eg audio/pdf files open with mpv/libreoffice rather than xmms/qpdfview

I’d like to get some feedback on the following for both 32 and 64 bit versions:

* persistence and remastering both in English and localised running live (frugal or from usb device)
* general localisation of menus, apps (live or installed)
* iso-snapshot in English and localised – does the new snapshot boot (on metal and in a virtual environment)? What about the boot menus?
* is Repo-manager working properly now?
* are there any apps that fail to install via package installer?
* are there any pre-installed apps that fail to open from menus, control centre?
* are there any pre-installed apps that open, but crash don’t seem to work?

Thanks.

• This topic was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by anticapitalista. Reason: added another issue
• This topic was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by anticapitalista. Reason: Added areas for feedback

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

[Anonymous]

/live/linux (/dev/loop0)

FYI, an excerpt from https://github.com/BitJam/Xlated-initrd/blob/master/live/README
(a local copy of this README file is present on antiXlive systems, but offhand I can’t recall its path)

=================
Live Mount Points
=================

/live/aufs
    The union filesystem used for the main filesystem (same as /)

/live/aufs-ram
    The RAM portion of the union filesystem

/live/bios-dev
    Our best guess of where the legacy bootloader lives.
    Used for encryption and frugal installs

/live/boot-dev
    The device the linuxfs lives on

/live/frugal
    Used temporarily for frugal install.  Becomes boot-dev

/live/iso-dev
    The device the .iso file lives in for "fromiso"

/live/iso-file
    Where the iso file is mounted for "fromiso"

/live/linux
    Where linuxfs file is mounted for union filesystem

/live/persist-root
    Where rootfs is mounted for static root persistence

/live/to-ram
Tmpfs for "toram" copy of linuxfs et al

also, regarding my earlier point “is a re-representation”…
Back around the time of antiX17 betesting, my suggestion to avoid duplicated results in “locate” command output was accepted
/etc/updatedb.conf ( find in file: prunepaths= )

[Anonymous]

the initially proposed “respin”

Really, skidoo was not, is not, “proposing” to do this.
The OP was actually intended to diffuse the notion of doing so
“Because the “English-only” aspect so easily achievable, I don’t feel that detail, alone, merits a separate release.”

I assume the “How-to” will also work for other languages?

Yes, the bleachbit + “dpkg-reconfigure locales” + localepurge steps mentioned in the prior topics I linked are applicable to any language ~~ retain only the localization files the one (or 3) languages that are appropriate for you and your local users.

From memory, the bleachbit step reports “deleted 22,000 files, totalling 230MB”.
That is 230MB “files on disk”.
Per (anticapitalista’s?) testing, an isosnapshot operation afterward yielded an ISO which was only 30MB smaller
but “only” is relative. That 30MB difference may be significant from the POV of a “toram” liveboot user when booting a resource-limited system ~~ that 30MB shifts the threshold regarding how soon swap will be necessary. For my POV (across several years, booting liveUSB and maintaining primarily diskless workstations) an extra 30MB per snapshot, or per each full backup fileset is, cumulatively, quite noticeable.

[Member marcelocripe]

How many people are taking advantage of the Base installation?

That is so hard to say. The number of people who downloaded the Source Forge ISO represent absolutely nothing. I, for example, download only once and with one ISO install antiX on several computers.

I’ve been one that has often used it, but I am not resource constrained in any way. Moreover, I could use either Core or Full instead of Base, if there is anything I want or need from either of them.

The Base ISO I learned to use was Xecure’s gift “antiX-19-legacy-bet2_386-base.iso”, certainly the Base version is much more user friendly for the common user than the Core or Net versions that require advanced knowledge to build a fully customized antiX system. I hope one day I can have enough knowledge to use either option and learn to take advantage of them.

Of those who DO regularly use Base, is anyone restricted in any way to using only CD?

It would be really important for people who need antiX on CD to speak up, especially people who use the computers that can’t boot from the USB device.

If there isn’t, then there is no real need to keep the iso below 700MB.

I wonder how hard it is to build an operating system with as many features as antiX has on a CD, the programs increasingly have more MB.
I imagine you would have to use Tiny Core Plus as a reference. What I remember testing Tiny Core Plus 11.0 comes with a GUI, terminal, text editor, Apps (something equivalent to a mix between Synaptic and Package Installer), settings manager (time, keyboard, etc.), I don’t know how, but most LAN or Wi-Fi network cards worked and to my dismay it didn’t have a file manager.

Considering what was described about the Core and Net ISOs, I guess it would be something like the Core ISO of antiX with the items I mentioned above, but then it ends up becoming the Base ISO?

According to the research I did, Debian has a multi-DVD option, where the first one is for installing and the others are for repository, but I don’t know if this is true.

It is really a challenge to put antiX on one CD. Would it have to have only CLI (text interface) programs?

marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese)

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How many people are taking advantage of the Base installation?

Isso é tão difícil dizer. O número de pessoas que baixou a ISO do Source Forge não representam absolutamente nada. Eu, por exemplo, baixo apenas uma única vez e com uma ISO instalo o antiX em vários computadores.

I’ve been one that has often used it, but I am not resource constrained in any way. Moreover, I could use either Core or Full instead of Base, if there is anything I want or need from either of them.

A ISO Base que eu aprendi a utilizar foi o presente do Xecure “antiX-19-legacy-bet2_386-base.iso”, certamente a versão Base é muito mais amigável para o usuário comum do que a versão Core ou Net que exigem conhecimentos avançados para construir um sistema antiX totalmente personalizado. Eu espero um dia poder ter conhecimentos suficientes para usar uma das duas opções e aprender aproveitá-las.

Of those who DO regularly use Base, is anyone restricted in any way to using only CD?

Seria realmente importante que as pessoas que necessitam do antiX em CD se manifestassem, em especial as pessoas que utilizam os computadores que não conseguem inicializar a partir do dispositivo USB.

If there isn’t, then there is no real need to keep the iso below 700MB.

Eu fico imaginando como é difícil construir um sistema operacional com tantos recursos que o antiX possui em um CD, os programas cada vez mais possuem mais MB.
Eu imagino que seria preciso usar como referência o Tiny Core Plus. O que eu me lembro de ter testado o Tiny Core Plus 11.0, vem com uma interface gráfica, terminal, editor de texto, Apps (algo equivalente a uma mistura entre o Synaptic e o Package Installer), gerenciador de configurações (hora, teclado, etc.), eu não sei como, mas a maioria das placas de rede LAN ou Wi-Fi funcionavam e para o meu desespero não tinha um gerenciador de arquivos.

Considerando o que foi descrito sobre as ISOs Core e Net, eu acho que seria algo como a ISO Core do antiX com os itens que citei acima, mas assim acaba virando a ISO Base?

Segundo a pesquisa que eu fiz, o Debian possui uma opção de vários DVDs, onde o primeiro serve para instalar e os outros como repositório, mas eu não sei se isso é verdade.

É realmente um desafio colocar o antiX em um CD. Será que teria que ter apenas programas CLI (interface de texto)?

marcelocripe
(Texto original em Português do Brasil)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

https://ignorantguru.github.io/udevil/udevil.conf.txt
? Does the ‘default_options_vfat’ line within udevil.conf on your system match the following:
default_options_vfat = nosuid, noexec, nodev, noatime, fmask=0133, dmask=0022, uid=$UID, gid=$GID, utf8

If so, something other than udevil must be handling the mounting operation.

No, it certainly does not match original developer’s upstream default udevil.conf; it’s similar, but lacks exactly the fmask and dmask options. The same case for all the rest of default_options_***.
Checked with latest Antix 19.4 x64 base live ISO as it ships.

However, adding the options to the vfat line did the thing; now files and directories copied from USB stick to Antix system have the expected permissions.
However the freaking USB stick still takes 30 seconds to be recognized…

So now few doubts:
Why would Antix choose to remove those options, if they’re even suggested by upstream developer?

If there are no explicit default options set in udevil.conf, then how do udevil and/or fstab assign “default” permissions? Where do they get “defaults” from?

And finally, reiterating, I was choosing to always unmount /live/linux (/dev/loop0) after finishing clean booting the live system. As far as I have used it, seemingly I haven’t noticed any “explicit” harm or malfunction until now. But, skidoo’s advise… Am I actually breaking the live system without noticing at all?

[Anonymous]

a multi-CD scenario would be contrary to (would ruleout) use of liveboot+persistence?

consider: How many/few potential “Base Edition” users are (dis)affected by “too large to fit on a CD”?
We can expect the antiX19 Base Edition ISO (+debian10 repos) will continue to be available another 2yrs.
The affected segment of potential new users could be directed to use antiX19Base as a starting point then perform dist-upgrade.

Even if Base Edition ISO is further shaved to fit on CD, folks hoping to “further trim, tweak, personalize” then employ isosnapshot >> LiveUSBMaker… will likely wind up with a “slimmed” ISO having a “too large for CD” filesize (by default, isosnapshot applies less aggressive compression than build-iso)

Perhaps the intended purpose of “Base Edition” must now be re-imagined, redefined.
It could be presented as a barebones onboarding alternative, providing a graphical O/S installer (and inbuilt liveboot + persist/frugal capability) but not much else, in terms of pre-installed programs. Omitting seamonkey package frees 42MB…

The barebones approach probably begs placement of a desktop icon leading to a [yad checkboxes] program installer utility, listing the programs which had been omitted due to the “CD-size” constraint.

[Member marcelocripe]

Out of context, my public thanks:

After anticapitalista gifted us through the update that occurred this first week of September 2021, several shortcut icons were fixed/updated the texts in pt-BR (thanks LucK Dia, felipecardope and everyone from the Telegram and WhatsApp groups) and in pt (thanks Zeh, for your long tireless work), besides the corrections of about 90% of the menu (first level), personal, toolbar or tray for the pt-BR language.

This Saturday and part of this Sunday was a lot of action, replacing the new menus of all computers that are close to me, besides helping several people through the Telegram and WhatsApp groups to get the menus updated. I even managed to prepare a tutorial to help users who have minimal computer knowledge https://archive.org/details/menus-para-o-antix. AntiX is getting more and more “beautiful” in my language, it is already a little more “Brazilian”.

THANK YOU, anticapitalista.

Now yes on this topic.

I’m curious to know how many people boot from CD, DVD, and USB. The more people that work from either DVD or USB, the less important it is to have small image sizes. I do suspect that some regions, such as Brazil and other countries where owning equipment less than ten years old is difficult or impossible, still make it important to consider frugal space considerations.

Mr. Brian, I will express my personal opinion, so I am not writing on behalf of millions of people. I do use DVD media, both for using it to install the antiX operating system and for data storage. I no longer consider using CD media even for installing an operating system due to the increasing size of programs and operating systems. I do use the USB stick for the installation of one or more operating systems thanks to the facilities offered by Ventoy.

The idea of having antiX on one or two CDs seems to be a very good one, but my question is: for which audience are these two ISOs intended?

The net and core versions are still very far from being realities for me, I have a lot to learn to make them minimally functional.
The base version for me is already a big challenge, to make it close to the full version is already something for few.
The full version is the best for me and for most newcomers to antiX or the GNU Linux world.

I still don’t have the skills to install drivers in antiX, compared to Windows, after all, it has been years studying and learning the other operating system, antiX is about 1 year and 3 months studying and learning with the teachers and masters here in this forum (thank you all for sharing your knowledge).

I think I would only be able to use this version on 1 or 2 CDs if there was a program that could identify all the devices on the computer and install them automatically, and if it was even possible, download all the drivers and allow copying them for future use. This program would be useful even in the other net, core, base and full ISOs (something like my-offline-repo-0118.zip). In the process of installing this ISO with a size of 700 MB, I imagine it would require the user to choose window manager + file manager they want to install, it doesn’t make sense to offer all the options available in antiX full.

I am all for including as many drivers as possible in antiX, this increases the compatibility of antiX on most devices. If increasing the amount of drivers in the full ISO would increase to 1.5GB or 2GB, it doesn’t matter, as it is not easy to do driver installation in antiX.

I will follow the development of this topic, this subject interests me, even though I know I am not ready to use this CD version.

marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese)

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Fora do contexto, os meus agradecimentos públicos:

Após o anticapitalista nos presentear através da atualização que ocorreu nesta primeira semana de setembro de 2021, vários ícones de atalho foram corrigidos/atualizados os textos em pt-BR (obrigado LucK Dia, felipecardope e a todos dos grupos de Telegram e WhatsApp) e em pt (obrigado Zeh, por seu longo trabalho incansável), além das correções de cerca de 90% do menu (primeiro nível), personal, toolbar ou tray para o idioma pt-BR.

Este sábado e parte deste domingo foi de muita ação substituindo os novos menus de todos os computadores que estão próximos de mim, além de ajudar várias pessoas através dos grupos de Telegram e WhatsApp a conseguirem fazer a atualização dos menus. Eu ainda consegui preparar um tutorial para ajudar os usuários que possuem conhecimentos mínimos em informática https://archive.org/details/menus-para-o-antix. Cada vez mais o antiX está ficando mais “bonito” em meu idioma, já está um pouco mais “Brasileiro”.

MUITO OBRIGADO, anticapitalista.

Agora sim sobre este tópico.

I’m curious to know how many people boot from CD, DVD, and USB. The more people that work from either DVD or USB, the less important it is to have small image sizes. I do suspect that some regions, such as Brazil and other countries where owning equipment less than ten years old is difficult or impossible, still make it important to consider frugal space considerations.

Senhor Brian, eu irei expressar a minha opinião pessoal, por tanto não estou escrevendo em nome de milhões de pessoas. A mídia de DVD eu a utilizo sim, tanto para usar para a instalação do sistema operacional antiX quando para armazenamento de dados. Eu não considero mais a utilização de mídia de CD, sequer para a instalação de um sistema operacional devido o tamanho crescente dos programas e dos sistemas operacionais. Eu utilizo sim o dispositivo USB para a instalação de um ou mais sistemas operacionais graças as facilidades oferecidas pelo Ventoy.

A ideia de ter o antiX em um ou dois CDs parece ser muito boa, mas a minha pergunta é: para qual público esta duas ISOs serão destinadas?

As versões net e core ainda estão muito longe de serem realidades para mim, eu tenho muito o que aprender para torná-las minimamente funcionais.
A versão base para mim, já é um grande desafio, torná-la próxima a versão full já é algo para poucos.
A versão full é a melhor para mim e para a maioria dos iniciantes no antiX ou no mundo GNU Linux.

Eu ainda não possuo habilidades para a instalação de controladores no antiX, se comparado a que possuo no Windows, afinal, foram anos estudando e aprendendo o outro sistema operacional, o antiX são cerca de 1 ano e 3 meses estudando e aprendendo com os professores e mestres daqui deste fórum (muito obrigado a todos por compartilharem os seus conhecimentos).

Eu acho que só conseguira utilizar esta versão em 1 ou 2 CDs se existisse um programa que identificasse todos os dispositivos do computador e fizesse a instalação automaticamente, se fosse possível ainda, baixasse todos os controladores e permitisse copiá-los para uso futuro. Este programa seria útil inclusive nas outras ISOs net, core, base e full (algo semelhante ao my-offline-repo-0118.zip). No processo de instalação desta ISO com tamanho de 700 MB, eu imagino que seria necessário o usuário escolher qual gerenciador de janelas + gerenciador de arquivos quer instalar, não faz sentido oferecer todas as opções disponíveis no antiX full.

Eu sou totalmente a favor da inclusão da maior quantidade possível de controladores no antiX, isso aumenta a compatibilidade do antiX na maioria dos dispositivos. Se aumentar a quantidade de controladores na ISO full aumentaria para 1,5 GB ou 2 GB, isso não importa, pois não é fácil fazer a instalação de controladores no antiX.

Eu vou acompanhar o desenvolvimento deste tópico, este assunto me interessa, mesmo eu sabendo que não estou preparado para utilizar esta versão em CD.

marcelocripe
(Texto original em Português do Brasil)

[Member seaken64]

SamK wrote:

If we want to continue with CD size ISO how about using the old idea of 2 CDS?

ISO-1 would be an installation set only. It can contain only xvesa as everything can boot with it. No bells or whistles, no heavyweight web browsers, no drivers, one WM etc. Only the minimum software to obtain a GUI to conduct an installation.

ISO-2 would contain everything else deemed wanted in the release and be installable from the environment created and booted via ISO-1.

Once the two stages have been done the resulting system will work and update/ugrade as any other antiX.

Yes, I like this. One vote for SamK’s idea.

Seaken64

[Forum Admin SamK]

If we want to continue with CD size ISO how about using the old idea of 2 CDS?

ISO-1 would be an installation set only. It can contain only xvesa as everything can boot with it. No bells or whistles, no heavyweight web browsers, no drivers, one WM etc. Only the minimum software to obtain a GUI to conduct an installation.

ISO-2 would contain everything else deemed wanted in the release and be installable from the environment created and booted via ISO-1.

Once the two stages have been done the resulting system will work and update/ugrade as any other antiX.

[Member Xecure]

Starting with antix21-b2-runit (live) and removing packages based on the TEMPLATE lists for full (and adding the ones for base), after remaster and reboot, I get these statistics (using sort_by_size) [NOTE: wordpress says I am posting something naughty, so I have attached the file instead]

FIRMWARE:     13.38%
xorg:          1.13%
DESKTOP:       1.51%
ICONS-THEMES:  1.89%
INTERNET:      7.15%
MULTIMEDIA:    1.41%

gcc-10 and dkms:  4.24%
qt5 apps:         1.90%

Apart from firmware, the biggest group is internet (see attachments)
And set the auto-connect script to launch ceni if connman is not installed.

After that, if we remove gcc-10 and the dkms packages (losing broadcom and exfat compatibility), we could also reduce some more MBs in the ISO (see attachments).

NOTE: I am probably missing many packages (and dependencies) related to each category, but this is as good a statistic I can come up with right now.

EDIT: Removing geany saves 0.51%

8692	geany-common
3878	geany
12570  (0.51%)

• This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by Xecure. Reason: Trying to place code
• This reply was modified 1 year, 8 months ago by Xecure. Reason: removing geany

Attachments:

1. statistics.txt

antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.