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And pls do not blame yourself, the situation was probably quietly designed by the mozilla man with E Mail adress at top of config file.
in expectation that a changed file as unknown as the distribution ini would remain undetected. unfortunately the retard was right.
I was really annoyed to miss a central user privacy problem.

Once fixed will file a complaint to both German and EU data protection agencys as Firefox is generally distributed with opt
out telemetry settings only accesible after starting firefox, EU Law requires active opt in.
Would love to see Bakker in front of an EU court. Google and facebook were a start even if the fines were laughable.

Thanks to very fast reaction by anticapitalista a fixed distribution ini has been uploaded. Upstream Changes hade been made which
were not authorised or condoned by antiX team and are now removed.

After update, preferrably without an internet connection:
Recommend users to check in about:config for any enabled against user intent telemetry settings or replace user.js and prefs.js with
prefered sanitized versions. Those as text human readable readable files are located in the
/home/yourusername/.mozilla/firefox/something.default-esr folder. Users may also delete the mozilla config in home completely if wished,
It will be regenerated at next Firefox start. Again recommend to those concerned about privacy.
Start without internet, make settings, delete waiting pings or crash
reports before making a connection to the internet.

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In antiX 21 Firefox following settings found in THE ANTIX /usr/share/firefox-esr/distribution/distribution.ini.

# Telemetry: report everything, no prompting.
toolkit.telemetry.enabled=true
browser.crashReports.unsubmittedCheck.autoSubmit=true
datareporting.policy.dataSubmissionPolicyBypassNotification=true

1/ IN EU ILLEGAL, in Germany angry parent is reporting both me and antiX setting situation to Data Protection agency.
I am now forced to do same while protesting my being unaware of the setting.

Due this HIDDEN FROM USER setting Mozilla can with use of glean and the older anti privacy data reporting plus standard activated settings in about config get.

Unique installation ID,
Location information, not fully investigated but probably to house number and exact WLAN level.
Information to changed settings in about:config
Date and time of first usage and start and end times of usage.
As type ahead find is set to enabled all search terms directly.
DNS is set to mozilla.cloudflare in about:config means all searches are also sent through mozilla.

To understand the situation users please read up on mozilla glean as well as other user privacy undermining methods.
Admittedly difficult as packed in slime and referring to the mozilla privacy policy, which referrs to the (lack of) privacy policy
of its partners, google, cloudflare apple and others.

I really hope this is a situation anticapitalista was unaware of, it seriously undermines confidence and the reputation of the distro.
That it is fixed extremely quickly.

That it is made clear who is the directly responsible person, before questions come from German Parents, Data Protection Officials and Lawyers.
This is something for which Mozilla is hard to blame as the distribution ini is specific to antiX.

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32-bit computing beyond the P-III 1Ghz with 512MB

For several years I have been experimenting with an old Pentium-III and Linux to see if I could keep the old machine useful. I have written about it often on this forum. This exercise has not been so much about doing serious work as it has been a hobby and having some fun trying to shoe-horn an old machine into the modern world. For the most part I have been able to keep this old machine doing useful things, even browsing the web. The most success has been with the antiX Linux distribution. It has been amazing to me that I can still use a P-III 1Ghz with only 512MB of RAM, which was first used in the year 2000, all the way into 2021, and soon into 2022.

Over the years I have acquired several more old computers through our normal upgrade procedures in our business. As we upgrade to new computers the old computers are sent out to pasture, many of them coming into my lab where I enjoy my hobby of playing with old computers. Last year I retired our last Pentium 4, which was holding on as a backup file server in my office.

I now had several Pentium 4 32-bit computers that I could experiment with. I decided I wanted to see what I could do with these 32-bit computers that were somewhat more powerful and capable than my favorite Pentium-III. I had been able to keep my P-III alive with only 512MB of RAM. What could I do with these P4‘s with from 1GB to 3GB of ram?

I had already learned that the old P-III would not handle cloud computing on sites like Google Docs. It also choked on the Firefox browser and a lot of my exercises were about finding alternate browsers that would work better than Firefox on this old equipment. Now I wondered if I could get better results with these P4‘s with more RAM. I embarked on an experiment to find out what these P4‘s could do on the modern web.

I chose my four best P4 computers and set them up with progressively more RAM and then I performed a series of tests to compare these machines. The four P4 machines are as follows, in progressive order from lower specs to higher specs.

ECS P4VMM2 P4 w/ 1GB RAM
2.4Ghz Northwood, 1GB DDR1, 80GB IDE, BIOS 2003

HP d220 MT P4 w/ 1.5GB RAM
2.67Ghz Northwood, 1.5GB DDR1, 80GB IDE, BIOS 2005

IBM ThinkCentre 8189MUD P4 w/ 2GB RAM
2.8Ghz Northwood, 2GB DDR1, 300GB IDE, BIOS 2004

Intel 915GEV P4HT w/ 3GB RAM
3.2Ghz Prescott, 3GB DDR2, 120GB IDE, BIOS 2006

After I started the tests I decided to add some more systems that fell somewhere between the P-III 1Ghz w/ 512MB and my best P4. I also added one system that is newer than my best P4. The added systems for this experiment are as follows.

Compaq Deskpro EN P-III w/ 512MB RAM (this is the P-III already spoken about above)
1Ghz Coppermine, 512MB SDRAM. 100GB IDE, BIOS 2000

Dell Dimension 4300 P4 w/ 512MB RAM (this is the earliest P4)
1.7Ghz Willamette, 512MB SDRAM, 40GB IDE, BIOS 2001

Dell Dimension 2400 Celeron w/ 1GB RAM
2.4Ghz Northwood. 1GB DDR1, 48GB IDE, BIOS 2003

HP zv5000 P4 w/ 1.25GB RAM
1.6Ghz Athlon XP 3000+, 1.25GB DDR1, 55GB IDE, BIOS 2004

Dell Dimension E521 w/ 2GB RAM (earliest 64-bit dual core, step up from P4HT)
1.9Ghz Athlon 64 X2 3600+, 2GB DDR2, 240GB SSD, BIOS 2007

This makes a full lineup of nine computers. Will any of these old computers allow cloud computing using Google Docs? If so, what will be the minimum requirement? We already know the P-III 1Ghz w/ 512MB won’t work with this task. What do we need to move up to to make this a usable application? Are any of these old computers capable of standing in as a daily driver?

The metrics used for this experiment included the following:

Time to boot from the Grub menu
Initial RAM used after startup
Disk space used after initial install and setup
RAM used for Firefox and a single tab on Google
Time to load Google Drive page ready for editing
RAM used on Google Drive with two tabs and editing single doc
Time to load single doc for editing
RAM used on Google Drive with three tabs and editing two docs
Time to load second doc for editing, two open docs
RAM used with Google Drive open with 2 docs and Local document open in LO/Abiword
Is the system snappy? or sluggish? Poor, Fair, Good?
Time to shutdown

I experimented with several distros, including antiX, MX, Debian, Q4OS, Bunsenlabs, Sparky, LMDE, Bhodi, and OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. On all of these computers there was no comparison to antiX in terms of RAM used. And overall snappiness was always good with antiX, even on the oldest computers and with the least amount of RAM. Some of these computers also run other distros very well, such as MX XFCE or Tumbleweed on the P4HT w/ 3GB of RAM. But after all was considered I have used antiX as the basis for a fair comparison between all of these machines. While some can run other distros fairly good they can all run antiX.

Here is a brief review of each of these nine computers, after which I will make a judgment about which systems, if any, could fill in as a daily driver in 2021.

[Note – as all but one of these machines is 32-bit I am using Firefox ESR as my browser for supporting Google Workspace. I use Chromium on 64-bit machines for Google Workspace but Chromium is not supported on these 32-bit machines. Google Workspace also does not like browsers like SeaMonkey or Otter-Browser, which are my usual browsers on these old machines]

1. Pentium III 1Ghz w/ 512MB
This is the computer I already know very well. I already know that this computer is not capable of being used on the cloud with Google Workspace. It cannot run Firefox good enough for Google Workspace. As a general computer, not including Google Workspace or other web centric applications it runs “fair”. Not snappy, but usable.

2. Pentium 4 1.7Ghz w/ 512MB
What about moving up to a Pentium 4 but with same RAM as the old P-III? Will that be enough to use Firefox and Google Workspace? No. The only advantage this machine has over the P-III is that it supports SSE2 and thus the current SeaMonkey version. This makes it a slightly better general use computer than the P-III but it still can’t do Google Workspace.

3. Celeron 2.4Ghz w/ 1GB
This Celeron is a crippled P4 and does not perform much better than the P-III. Even with 1GB of RAM it cannot be used with Google Workspace. It takes more than 2 minutes to load Google Drive and another 7 minutes to load a Google Doc for editing. Even as a general computer it is only slightly better than using the P-III. Like the first P4 it supports SSE2 and with more RAM than the P-III it is a little better than both the P-III and the first P4. But not enough to be impressed.

4. Pentium 4 2.4Ghz w/ 1GB
This machine is only slightly better than the above Celeron. Google Workspace can barely be used. It takes nearly a minute to load the Google Drive and an additional 1:30 to load a document for editing and another 2:00 for the second document. That’s between 4 and 5 minutes to load two Docs for editing. Way too slow to be productive. And the RAM used is over 800 so not much room left out of 1024. As a general computer it is better than the Celeron and it is a better choice over the P-III. But not good enough for Google Workspace.

5. Athlon XP 3000+ 1.6Ghz w/ 1.25GB
This machine is almost capable of running Google Workspace. It takes 0:31 to load Google Drive and another 0:33 to load the first document. RAM use is about 800 with these two tabs open. Another 1:07 to load a second doc in the third tab and RAM is over 900. With 1.25GB of RAM this does not allow much more room. It is better to do one thing at a time. Maybe you could edit one document. But it is not very productive. As a general use computer it is more snappy – not great but fair to good.

6. Pentium 4 2.67Ghz w/ 1.5GB
This machine is slightly better than the Athlon XP above, taking a few less seconds to load and the RAM used is over 900. With 1.5GB there is enough headroom in RAM. It is better than the P4 with 1GB of RAM and a little snappier. It is still not a great machine for Google Workspace but it is more bearable with this 1.5GB of RAM. It takes over 2.5 minutes to load two docs which is a little more than the Athlon XP but there is a little more RAM to work with. As a general machine it is also fair to good.

7. Pentium 4 2.8Ghz w/ 2GB
This machine is close to allowing using Google Workspace at an acceptable pace. It takes about 2 minutes to load two Google docs and the RAM used is about 942. The pace is about the same as the two machines immediately above but there is more RAM to work with. The general feel is also fair to good. This machine can also run more distros due to the larger RAM. It runs most other distros at “fair”, not snappy – but they run.

8. Pentium 4HT 3.2Ghz w/ 3GB
I have had this machine setup in my lab for several years. It is my best Pentium 4 and has Hyper Threading so it runs like a Dual Core and with the 3GB of RAM it can run most distros. I usually use MX XFCE on this machine. I also have Q4OS and Tumbleweed on this machine. This machine can run Firefox and Google Workspace at a comfortable pace. It takes about 1.5 minutes to load the two Google Docs and uses about 845 of RAM with antiX. As a general computing experience, including Firefox and Google Docs, it is a “Good”. It is snappy in antiX and close to snappy in MX and Q4OS.

9. Athlon 64 X2 3600+ w/ 2GB
This is the only machine in this line up with a dual core and 64-bit processor. It runs Google Workspace comparably to the P4HT above. I also tested 64-bit Chromium and it had the best results, taking about 1:18 to open the two Google Docs and using about 1024 of RAM in antiX 19.3 64-bit. It was about the same using Firefox in antiX-21 32-bit. This machine is snappy in antiX and rates “Good” as a general use computer.

So, what did my experiments reveal?

Will any of these old computers allow cloud computing using Google Docs? If so, what will be the minimum requirement?

Yes, a Pentium 4 with at least 2GB seems to be the minimum requirement for making use of Google Workspace. The single core P4 is still a little sluggish but with 2GB or RAM it is possible to use Google Docs and have a “fair” experience.

The P4 with Hyper Threading is the best 32-bit computer for Google Workspace. Of all the Pentium 4‘s in this lineup it is the best, and it is comparable to the true Dual Core Athlon 64-bit X2.

Are any of these old computers capable of standing in as a daily driver?

Yes, both the 32-bit P4HT 3.2GHz w/ 3GB and the 64-bit Athlon 1.9Ghz w/ 2GB are good enough to use a daily driver. They both run antiX very good and they both also run well with MX or Q4OS.

It is my opinion that you need to be able to work with cloud computing on your computers these days. Services like Google Workspace and Office 365, and others, allow you to collaborate and synchronize your efforts with a team or allow you to shift your work progress from one place to another. Yes, there are other ways to collaborate and synchronize. But cloud computing really makes it especially good for business people to get the most out of their office computer systems.

If your work routine is primarily office applications you can make it work with Linux and an older two threaded computer, even a 32-bit Pentium 4. If you can, you should try to secure at least a Dual Core 64-bit machine. But if all you can get is an old Pentium 4 don’t worry. Just put more RAM in it and use antiX or MX and you’ll be able to get your work done.

Seaken64

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marcelocripe wrote:

Hello dears.

Seaken64, I’m following this important topic, I’m also very interested in this topic which has the same objective as the topic started by PPC Como traduzir automaticamente o fórum para português in the Portuguese language area. So far, Ungoogled Chromium in AppImage is the best option for the automatic translation of forum pages and it also has the ability to print to a “.pdf” file for future consultation of the file. But this solution is only available for 64-bit processors, unfortunately it doesn’t have 32-bit AppImage. Firefox makes computers with 32-bit processors very slow. I hope one day to learn how to create 32-bit AppImage, it would help a lot for 32-bit computer users.

Hello @marcelocripe, Just today I ran across that same topic thread. I had forgotten it. The point I made then was that the browsers I am using on my 32-bit systems do not support the Firefox plugin or support what the 64-bit systems can support. I was looking for a way to support translation in these 32-bit systems.

What I have found out is that 32-bit does work, but only if you have two threads to work with, such as my P4 HT (HyperThread). There is something in the Google Translate and SeaMonkey’s Translate Page tool that eats up the CPU on a single core system. If you use NoScript you can keep the CPU from pegging to 100% but then you can’t use Google-Translate. It’s a catch-22 situation.

The best we can do is use SeaMonkey/Palemoon/otter-browser and use copy-paste between two tabs. The best process seems to be to use the website translation tool at https://www.ipvoid.com/website-translation-tool/. This process does not seems to peg the CPU at 100% even when Javascript is on.

For automatic built-in translation tools we need to use Firefox plug-ins, or Chromium, or SeaMonkey and a two thread (Dual Core) processor, or 64-bit. I have had good results on my P4HT with 3GB RAM and my AMD Athlon 64 X2 with 2GB of RAM. But with regular P4 or P-III we can’t get the easier built-in translation features to work. For those older machines it is copy and paste and probably using an offline editor.

Seaken64

Here’s my above message, typed in English, copied and pasted from Google-Translate in Portuguese (using otter-browser):

Olá @marcelocipe, hoje em dia eu corri naquele mesmo tópico. Eu tinha esquecido isso. O ponto que furo foi que os navegadores que estou usando nos sistemas de 32 bits não suportam o plug-in do Firefox ou suporte quais os sistemas de 64 bits podem suportar. Eu estava procurando uma maneira de apoiar a tradução nestes sistemas de 32 bits.

O que eu descobri é que 32 bits funcionam, mas apenas se você tiver dois tópicos para trabalhar, como meu P4 HT (Hyperthread). Há algo na ferramenta de página de tradução do Google Translate e SeamonKey que coma a CPU em um único sistema central. Se você usar o NOScript, você pode manter a CPU de pegging para 100%, mas você não poderá usar o Google-Tradutor. É uma situação de captura-22.

O melhor que podemos fazer é usar Seamonkey / PaloMoon / Otter-Browser e use Copy-pasta entre duas guias. O melhor processo parece ser usar a ferramenta de tradução do site em https://www.ipvoid.com/website-translation-tool/. Este processo não parece peg a CPU a 100%, mesmo quando o Javascript está ligado.

Para ferramentas automáticas de tradução integradas, precisamos usar plug-ins do Firefox, ou cromo ou SeamOnkey e um processador de dois segmentos (dual core) ou 64 bits. Eu tive bons resultados no meu p4ht com 3GB de RAM e meu AMD Athlon 64 x2 com 2GB de RAM. Mas com P4 ou P-III regular, não podemos obter os recursos mais fáceis de tradução para funcionar. Para essas máquinas mais antigas, é copiar e colar e, provavelmente, usando um editor offline.

Seaken64.

[Member marcelocripe]

Hello dears.

Seaken64, I’m following this important topic, I’m also very interested in this topic which has the same objective as the topic started by PPC Como traduzir automaticamente o fórum para português in the Portuguese language area. So far, Ungoogled Chromium in AppImage is the best option for the automatic translation of forum pages and it also has the ability to print to a “.pdf” file for future consultation of the file. But this solution is only available for 64-bit processors, unfortunately it doesn’t have 32-bit AppImage. Firefox makes computers with 32-bit processors very slow. I hope one day to learn how to create 32-bit AppImage, it would help a lot for 32-bit computer users.

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Olá caros.

Seaken64, eu estou acompanhando este importante tópico, eu também tenho grande interesse neste assunto que possui o mesmo objetivo do tópico iniciado pelo PPC Como traduzir automaticamente o fórum para português na área em idioma Português. Até o momento o Ungoogled Chromium em AppImage é a melhor opção para a tradução automática das página do fórum e ainda possui o recurso de imprimir para arquivo “.pdf” para consulta futura do arquivo. Mas esta solução só está disponível para processadores 64 bits, infelizmente não tem AppImage de 32 bits. O Firefox deixa os computadores com processadores de 32 bits muito lentos. Eu espero um dia aprender a criar AppImage de 32 bits, isso ajudaria muito aos usuários dos computadores de 32 bits.

For those who dislike tAwsome blinky dropdown search bar in Firefox ESR the userchrome css from LibreWolf can
be used to create the same quiet light themed interface.

I am still exploring what code can be removed from the Librewolf setup, it covers other platforms as well as linux.
user.js and prefs.js can not be used one to one. Breaks internet. Librewolf does not send search data to Mozilla
and google. i am trying to replicate. Any working info welcome.

I have no intent to recreate Librewolf, just figure out what can be done for 32 bit users.

Please no refer to google or mozilla docs spam.
Mozilla gets millions for the data you provide. There is absolutely no interest in changing that.

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[Member ModdIt]

An interesting article: Why you should switch Beacon enabled to OFF in Firefox, or Palemoon Possible.
LibreWolf has the preference locked disabled which is nice.
Google Chrome used to have a chrome://flags/#disable-hyperlink-auditing
I have only ungoogled chromium, the setting is not available, blocking the beacon mechanism is a job for uBlock.

The beacon api is still in heavy usage.

Maybe Useful for Chrome Chromium users, I think below command prefixes still work when starting the browser.
–incognito (private browsing by default)
–disable-background-networking (disable additional network requests)
–disable-reading-from-canvas (disables reading canvas for fingerprinting)
–disable-3d-apis (disables webgl for fingerprinting)
Google “Callbacks”
use the internal network monitor of Chromium to unmask what domains were being communicated with on a regular basis. This is located at chrome://net-export and was a very helpful tool. It will log a .json file to your disk that contains all network traffic inside the browser.

Above does work in Ungoogled Chromium. Block anything which annoys you with etc/hosts
Remember if you only block anIPV4 adress the Browser will just use IPV6 so you must do both to acheive any effect.

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Interesting is if you are on Arch or Arch based the argument against AUR is stability, same as put to discussion here.
The big but is Installing software form other sources or self compiling are user choices.

Note what you install, better not a big bundle of unsupported applications at once, that makes finding troublesome packages a pain.

Get desktop freezing, do you have ungoogled chromium installed, common culprit due cache or config corruption. Libreoffice Fresh and Debian Java. Debian java is buggy (known lt devs fixed next release) and not in the LO approved list it can cause hard to diagnose issues. LO approval maybe after a bugfixed java release.

As blur 13 wrote trade offs, user choices.

PPC gave a number of links for appimages, Personal opinion is if software can be downloaded from the original source as a deb it is better to do so. Firefox, all versions portable from Mozilla, plus debs from repos. Opera, Vivaldi, debs available. Libreoffice Fresh Backported debs or if java is really important from LO org. Deb packages easily installable with dpkg. Softmaker, packet installer or direct from softmaker site, debs and instructions available.
For packages which are only available as appimage and have checksums, I like to look in the package then try them on an isolated system before using on my main device.

An equivalent to AUR, I would certainly use it knowing the advantages can be outweighed by problems. Big but there is we have a fantastic live system on a stick available, best playground or testing area possible.

I used AUR quite a lot, had way less less trouble than with systemD, crazy waits for shutdown, sticking boot process and non recoverable update fails which were a plague for a while. Not to mention that if you wanted to remove some seemingly unimportant application like a music player the d madness would also wipe out your desktop. Real experience, it was, i guess still is lunatic.

[Member ModdIt]

Debian’s response to this initiative was very negative: My response to debian too, the present debian leaders are too busy crowing about their greatness to see anything else.
For a long time I WAS a donator to debian, System D, legal actions and threats, user input unwanted. As a user I felt unwanted.
At that time I mailed to Philipp Müller, got a sane, polite answer, same goes for anticapitalista. Mail to debian devs, ignored, will not fix, blame other maintainer other hogwash..

In the past I built a lot of packages from AUR, some with helper some without. My Play/learn and experiment system was separate, from needed for more serious stuff Just dual booted, second system on a separate disk and my first root and home no mountpoints, no automount.
Not all aur packages are stable, some I looked at and abandoned, some were good and used on main setup. Many packages move from AUR in to main repo.

Regarding bloatdevelopment packages fills the disk, that is userland. My 256GB SDD comes at 25 Euro Cent per GB current amazon price. I do not care at a bit more space used. The box also has a 1 Terabyte rotating disk, Im likely dead before that is full even when I would use my Nikon for raw images a lot.

If I had my netbook in mind with its wimpy processor and 1GB mem, for some a luxury device I would think differently.

Its all relative to user needs and wishes, nobody here clamouring to blow up the distro to the proportions of many other so called lightweight systems.
The image setup for university students is at present 6GB plus, has what they need for home study and some more for relaxation.

I built some packages for our local antiX, like to know how to do these things. I built live from a 64 GB stick on my Quad core with for me luxury 8GB Ram cache to an ssd, takes time but works..

Appimages are useful but can be huge and still depend on system packages, or are compiled with specific processor flags. See ungoogled chromium for that,
I only think they are safe, as far as I can judge that is, when I have a checksum and have taken a look in the package. I then run the application but No network connection to see where they try and connect to.Can be interesting, disconcerting.

Just saw firefox on appimage hub, download from Mozilla, unpack, it runs anywhere as a portable application on 64 bit systems. Said appimage is 64 bit and extremely outdated. MMMM

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• This reply was modified 1 year, 4 months ago by ModdIt.

[Member ModdIt]

sybok wrote:I do prefer the packages that come with the distribution over snap/flatpack/appimage

Snap and flatpack are like apple store applications, not interested have none.
Flatpack I have ungoogled Chromium and LibreWolf, the only sane way I can use and pass on those packages
without self compiling, big job on a browser and old iron like my computers. The appimages i do not
like or will use are those which have to be mounted in my filesystem to look inside.

I unpacked copys of the two flatpacks, ungoogled Chromium and Librewolf) to take a look at what I am letting
going to run. Both are of the kind where adding .zip at end of name and decompressing/unpacking runs.
Neither browser has anything openly nasty looking included.
Unlike Firefox with its multiple hidden extensions in browser/features. I absolutely distrust the hidden screenshot
tool after reading in mozilla delevoper notes how easy it is to use remotely, it is a feature, that and after crashes
fox quietly respawning headless. Mozilla also messed remotely with users settings a couple of weeks ago plus removing
an extension that conflicted with passing on all search terms to google through moz servers. . Trust them I do not.

Firefox nightly was mentioned earlier in the thread, it is a telemetry charged application, that is openly stated so as
such ok. If you like those things anyway. on LTS and latest telemetry functions are usualy set to on in about config.
No matter what the user inputs in settings.

DaveW wrote about using firejail, I found it hard to set up correct rules on 19.4. but then I am not the expert. Kept
locking myself in it too, no more internet access. Maybe works better now.

My mails or any appended documents stay in claws unless I copy them to another folder, it is set so it can not, better
should not start anything except itself. A couple of years ago I watched a malicious mail take over a windoze computer.
I am not convinced linux is totaly immune, if you give applications enough leverage especialy.

[Member ModdIt]

Thanks guys especially PPC, blur, your posts are not blur but sensible and gets the point.

The expert who posted in a long dead thread can start with a minimum, he only need to download it and build on what he personally needs. That is why the different versions and apt capability to remove packages exist….

The noted expert can remove all the things he likes or never include them in the first place, set sound with a thingy, on the thingy for the thingy which makes the thingys not hurting thingys on side of head. er console on the command line or in a configuration file from said console because a text editor is bloat.

I did read that post from the thingyverse before his expertise on the state of antiX

Others find the included applications very useful, but as others noted add full gimp, darktable latest firefox along with Librewolf, Ungoogled Chromium, have two printers one A3 Multi, hooked up, Zoom, Video camera PDF Editor and need those things. In case of those I support, persons are called university students and students in higher level secondary education. Some also have Lyx and LaTex in daily use, tell a maths student that is bloat.

Nuff said, the expert is now on my personal bloat list.

Chers utilisateurs antiX en Belgique qui utilisent la carte d’identité électronique.

Comme vous le savez, il y avait de gros problèmes de certificat pour obtenir les mises à jour du programme EID Belgium sous Linux.
Un nouveau paquet *.deb vient d’être mis à disposition des utilisateurs Linux.
Il faut se rendre sur le site;
https://eid.belgium.be/fr/installation-du-logiciel-eid-sous-linux
Vous pouvez configurer le site en néerlandais, en français, en allemand ou en anglais.

Pour les utilisateurs antiX, il faut choisir l’icône “Télécharger eid-archive.deb”.
Installer le paquet téléchargé.
Dans un terminal, faire “sudo apt update” et ensuite faire “sudo apt install eid-viewer eid-mw”

Google Chrome et Firefox fonctionnent bien avec la carte d’identité électronique sous antiX.

Meilleures salutations,
Wallon

[Member ModdIt]

OT for the original question.

Now could test on fully updated 19.4. 64 Bit, as PPC pointed out UngoogledChromium stand alone package does not run.

What does is the latest version of LibreWolf, it accepts firefox extensions as well as many config hacks.
I do recommend to go through about:config i substituted a lot of the urls with https://qjz9zk
Hard to say yet if any telemetry is active, I turned off all I could find. Also gor rid of
the idiot bar, er hated by me and my users crazy drop down urlbar.

Site compatibility seems pretty good, for my usage anyway. I use the stand alone apps for youtube.

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[Anonymous]

Talking about privacy in web browsers, I found this
https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/528559-Paranoid-browser-test-is-there-privacy-in-FOSS
Half of the thread is talking about the issue, and the other half (starting at the end of page 7) OP talks about actual tests made on several browsers

Generally speaking, OP “tightens” security as much as possible by tweaking browser’s configuration. Yes, one likely disadvantage is that, by tightening options a lot, it could actually break websites. But as I understand, it’s done for reference purposes, to see how “noisy” or “quiet” browser is just by itself.

It looked interesting for me, and since thread is from 4 years ago, I thought I could try doing the same tests myself. Basically it’s just about using “tcpdump” command while starting/running the browser.

First I ran tcpdump with no other apps running. I noticed even like this there are active connections: as far as I understood, they were from the router, the ISP, some IANA stuff -I think…-, “AntiX gateway” stuff, connections related to Connman -even when I had cmst not running-…
I tried to get familiar with them in order to identify the *other ones*, i.e., the browser ones.

So started with Firefox, installed from repos.
In first post in the mentioned thread OP mentions a bug report filed by himself. Within it, he explains the steps to “tighten” Firefox as much as possible. I tried to follow them as close as possible (because Firefox versions have *greatly* changed since then), including “privacy.trackingprotection.enabled = true” under about:config options.
Result: certainly same as what OP got. Many connections to Google, Mozilla, Amazon related domains/subdomains, even shortly after browser was already closed.

I didn’t try with Google Chrome; I better chose to take OP’s word on this one (it wouldn’t be too surprising anyway, would it?)

Brave browser was also mentioned, with similar results to Firefox…

Tried with Seamonkey.
With defaults, there’s indeed “chattering” with similar domains to Firefox.
So I tried tightening it like this:
In about:config
privacy.trackingprotection.enabled = true; javascript.enabled = false
Edit > Preferences:
Browser: Display on startup: Blank page
Privacy & Security:
–uncheck all Safe Browsing options (they seem to connect to 1e100.net, owned by Google)
–Cookies: Block cookies
–Certificates: disable OCSP
Result after this: some chattering with a website with just IP address, and seemingly no defined DNS name… Actually not sure whether it is something or not…

Now with the “better” ones.

Ungoogled-Chromium
With defaults, no apparent chatting (ohh).

Midori
Mentioned as well in the above thread, but after reading that it had apparently greatly changed since 2019, I tried installing it from repos.
Version in repos look different than “official” latest release… But anyway, with defaults, at startup, no apparent chattering neither.
Probably just need to set it to “blank page” at startup (IIRC…) and disable scripts.

Librewolf
Already being discussed here, looked like another possible good option.
Indeed, just with defaults, no chattering. Alright.

Pale Moon
Probably since still a more general web browser indeed, at default startup there is chattering.
However, seemingly by just setting “Blank page at startup” and “Home page = blank page” under General tab in Tools > Preferences, and perhaps also disabling javascript.enabled under about:config, there is no chattering neither.
Though perhaps it’d also be worthy tightening even more just to be more sure.
Currently the browser I use more often in my particular case.
It worked just out of the box even on minimalist distros like Slitaz, at least back when they still released 32bit versions.

Well, these were my findings for now.

[Member PPC]

@BobC – on the File Manager – for antiX 19, yes, install zzzfm and in both antiX 19 and 21, make it the default browser (that can be done by a script); set up the trash/reccle bin in zzzfm; show devices; add default bookmarks (Downloads, Documents, etc, I also like adding the applications folder, as a handy way to search and open apps, if the user has the file manager open). I also just thought about making the “Send to Trash” contextual menu intelligent enough not to show up in the trash folder itself, and make an “Empty trash” menu entry show up when the user is in the Trash folder
– I rarely use midnight commander
– I’ve read about ZIM here in the forum- it sounds handy- does it run on the foreground, monitoring to see when the apps it’s configured with are running? I’m not a fan of processes running in the background, unless they are really essential…
– On the right click FT10 start menu icon to access antiX menu- did you use the code I provided, or did you come up with another novel way?
-Strangely enough for a guy that uses an (although semi-degoogeled) android phone and gmail every day, I’m not a fan of Google services- but sure, if you managed to get their screen sharing service running on Brave, not bad. I used Teamviewer myself when I needed to – but screen sharing apps are a always a security risk right?

Probably the thing that will put off non Linux user (and even Linux users) is the fact that you have to setup pulseaudio or use apulse to start many apps (like Firefox) that require pulseaudio for their audio output- I seem to have read it on the forum that on antiX 21 that “problem” was not present, but I haven’t tested that…

I have a auto Ft10 setup almost 100% read- I’m testing adding that code to the script ft10-create. If it works out ok across all 3 window managers, all I have to do is create a ,desktop file for FT10-create and the setup process will be 100% automated (just install the .deb and then click “Configure FT10 Transformation Pack” in the menu.
A to-do, not hard to implement is including a routine to back up the config files that are modified and then offer, in it’s yad window 2 options: Enable or Disable (disabling FT10 basicly restores the backed up files and restarts the desktop)

I’ll probably also include .desktop files for the Weather and News app, maybe one for a yad script to display disk space- any other “small” scripts that may be nice extras or offer missing features for users (I was thinking about Xecure’s script to manage localization of apps and system language- but it’s not “final” yet)

Also, installing my debinstaller script and condifiguring it in zzzfm, particulary for antiX 21 (that still lacks a GUI off-line .deb package installer).

Lots of ideas, no time to implement them all 🙁
P.