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Brian Masinick
I’m not completely against KDE. Years ago I used it a lot. In recent years, not nearly as much. It isn’t that I dislike it. Instead I do not require the features it offers for much of anything I do.
That said, I did, over the past year or so install a version of MX Linux that uses KDE. Like the original MEPIS from a LONG time ago, MX Linux has a pretty nimble, efficient implementation for their KDE. Do I NEED it? No. Do I use it? Yes, occasionally. Nevertheless, though I do not need it and I do not use it very often, I do not have anything personally against it.
I’m not a big fan of Microsoft or Apple software either. Personally, I rarely use either of them. On my own equipment, I don’t believe that I have anything other than perhaps a version of the Edge Web browser somewhere. My wife HAD Windows on an old computer. The computer pretty much chokes on the old version of Windows, bit I recently replaced Windows with a test version of Debian Bullseye, and believe it or not it still works, and though the system is old, the equipment itself is better built than many of the current generation of systems.
Here’s what I believe in deeply: CHOICE!
The choice to choose freely between proprietary hardware and software and systems that are made by design to encourage and promote choice.
For those who want to spend $1-2000 more per device to buy Apple Computer products, I say they should have the freedom to do so.
For those who want to pay the Microsoft tax to buy Microsoft Windows and whatever they offer on their latest supported systems, this should continue to be an option for as long as those people are willing to buy them.On the commercial systems end, IBM has produced mainframe hardware and software for decades. There are some old, aging legacy systems that were first created while I was still in public school. For those who STILL either want or need to use these, this should also be a choice. I used to detest some of the old IBM mainframe hardware and software. However, with decades to test, refine, modify and improve, I have gained considerable respect for what it is today. Moreover, many of those same systems have been carefully and intelligently been rebuilt to function very well on commercial grade, professionally supported implementations of Linux software that may even employ a few of the people who may one day read something here. So this is yet another choice.
As for those of us here, we may have new or old equipment. More than likely, most of us have stuff that would be in a dust bin or trash receptacle somewhere if it were not because of the careful, lean, efficient and intelligent work performed by this project and some of the other Linux-related projects. Not all of our work comes directly from Debian, MX, MEPIS, etc. A few efforts in the past came through Absolute Linux; we have many things that our own community have written; we owe the collective works to many diverse groups of people all over the world.
What I am saying in many words and in many ways can be simply boiled down to freedom of choice, and I remain a firm believer in it. I prefer antiX, but it’s not my only software. I value choice and freedom and exercise it on a regular basis. In fact I am writing this inside of a text widget on the Firefox Web browser running in a KDE instance on MX Linux, and I’ve used PCLinuxOS and openSUSE many times over the years with either Xfce or KDE because I love choice and freedom.
May freedom reign always. Please value people both alike and different. Please respect others who use either similar tools or vastly different ones. At the end of the day our diversity makes our lives full of energy and lasting value.
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Brian Masinick
blur13
Tried it on another computer with the same setup and got the exact same result, ie no result. Got a similar looking “error report” from apt:
Installing linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
=> apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp linux-headers-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
Reading package lists… Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information… Done
Suggested packages:
linux-firmware-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
The following NEW packages will be installed:
linux-headers-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 49.8 MB of archives.
After this operation, 259 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://chuangtzu.ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.org/packages/antix/buster buster/main amd64 linux-headers-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp amd64 4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp-1 [10.8 MB]
Get:2 http://gemmei.ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/mxlinux.org/packages/antix/buster buster/main amd64 linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp amd64 4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp-1 [39.0 MB]
Fetched 49.8 MB in 4s (11.8 MB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package linux-headers-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp.
(Reading database … 321770 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack …/linux-headers-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp_4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp-1_amd64.deb …
Unpacking linux-headers-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp (4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp-1) …
Selecting previously unselected package linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp.
Preparing to unpack …/linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp_4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp-1_amd64.deb …
Unpacking linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp (4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp-1) …
Setting up linux-headers-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp (4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp-1) …
Setting up linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp (4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp-1) …
Warning: Unable to find an initial ram disk that I know how to handle.
Will not try to make an initrd.
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
cryptsetup: WARNING: The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries
nor crypto modules. If that’s on purpose, you may want to uninstall the
‘cryptsetup-initramfs’ package in order to disable the cryptsetup initramfs
integration and avoid this warning.
I: The initramfs will attempt to resume from /dev/sda7
I: (UUID=a2d4565a-d90e-43d4-a297-d2a63ee2c0ef)
I: Set the RESUME variable to override this.
Generating grub configuration file …
Found background: /usr/share/wallpaper/grub/back.png
Found background image: /usr/share/wallpaper/grub/back.png
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.235-antix.1-amd64-smp
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.9.235-antix.1-amd64-smp
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
Found mtest-64.efi image: /boot/uefi-mt/mtest-64.efi
Found Windows Boot Manager on /dev/sda1@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
Found ArcoLinux (rolling) on /dev/sda5
done
install took 56.79 seconds
Updating database …
database update took 0.10 seconds
Press <Enter> to continue
Wallon
Hello,
I tested the runit version with the 2 French kernels.
On my Live USB key, there is no icon to install. I redid the tests in French and in French(BE). No icon to do the installation each time. This is not nice because I know that in English (US), the installation icon is present.On the 1st screen of my Live USB key, there is;
UEFI
or
USB Disk
I take the USB Disk optionOn the second screen of my Live USB key, I take the following options;
F2 > French or French (BE), it is the same
Use Legacy or Use Modern, it’s the sameOn the third screen of my Live USB key, I take the following options;
F2 > French(BE)
F3 > Brussels
F4 > noautomount
F6 > space-iceWM
NORMAL BootSorry for the inconvenience, but this could happen in other languages as well.
System: Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 parameters: noautomount desktop=space-icewm lang=fr_BE tz=Europe/Brussels quiet splasht disable=lxF Desktop: IceWM 2.4.0 dm: SLiM 1.3.6 Distro: antiX-bullseye-b1-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 10 June 2021 base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: MSI model: H170M PRO-VDH (MS-7982) v: 1.0 serial: <filter> UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 2.A0 date: 07/27/2016 Memory: RAM: total: 15.62 GiB used: 269.2 MiB (1.7%) RAM Report: permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required. PCI Slots: Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required. CPU: Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i5-6400 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Skylake-S family: 6 model-id: 5E (94) stepping: 3 microcode: E2 L2 cache: 6144 KiB bogomips: 21696 Speed: 800 MHz min/max: 800/3300 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 800 2: 905 3: 820 4: 843 Flags: 3dnowprefetch abm acpi adx aes aperfmperf apic arat arch_perfmon art avx avx2 bmi1 bmi2 bts clflush clflushopt cmov constant_tsc cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts ept erms est f16c flexpriority fma fpu fsgsbase fxsr ht hwp hwp_act_window hwp_epp hwp_notify ida intel_pt invpcid invpcid_single kaiser lahf_lm lm mca mce mmx monitor movbe mpx msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pcid pclmulqdq pdcm pdpe1gb pebs pge pln pni popcnt pse pse36 pts rdrand rdseed rdtscp rep_good sdbg sep smap smep ss sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 syscall tm tm2 tpr_shadow tsc tsc_adjust tsc_deadline_timer vme vmx vnmi vpid x2apic xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveopt xsaves xtopology xtpr Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: Split huge pages Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT disabled Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT disabled Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full generic retpoline, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling Type: srbds status: Vulnerable: No microcode Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1401 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: NV126 v: 4.3 Mesa 20.3.4 direct render: Yes Audio: Device-1: Intel 100 Series/C230 Series Family HD Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1f.3 chip ID: 8086:a170 Device-2: NVIDIA GM206 High Definition Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 chip ID: 10de:0fba Device-3: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920 type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo bus ID: 1-6:3 chip ID: 046d:082d serial: <filter> Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp Network: Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: d000 bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 10ec:8168 IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter> IP v6: <filter> type: dynamic mngtmpaddr scope: global IP v6: <filter> scope: link WAN IP: <filter> Drives: Local Storage: total: 1.19 TiB used: 7.01 GiB (0.6%) ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Kingston model: SUV400S37240G size: 223.57 GiB block size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: D6SD scheme: GPT ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM003-1SB102 size: 931.51 GiB block size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm serial: <filter> rev: CC43 scheme: GPT ID-3: /dev/sdc type: USB model: USB DISK 2.0 size: 29.83 GiB block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B serial: <filter> rev: DL07 scheme: MBR ID-4: /dev/sdi type: USB vendor: SanDisk model: USB 3.2Gen1 size: 28.65 GiB block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B serial: <filter> rev: 1.00 scheme: MBR Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: HL-DT-ST model: DVDRAM GH24NSD1 rev: LG00 dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw Features: speed: 12 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running RAID: Message: No RAID data was found. Partition: ID-1: / raw size: N/A size: 12.43 GiB used: 3.2 MiB (0.0%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 label: N/A uuid: N/A ID-2: /live/boot-dev raw size: 29.83 GiB size: 29.81 GiB (99.95%) used: 1.39 GiB (4.7%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sdc1 label: INTUIX16MO uuid: 3038-AE19 ID-3: /live/linux raw size: 1.34 GiB size: <root required> used: <root required> fs: squashfs dev: /dev/loop0 label: N/A uuid: N/A ID-4: /media/demo/DATA2 raw size: 6.65 GiB size: 6.64 GiB (99.80%) used: 260 KiB (0.0%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sdi3 label: DATA2 uuid: F144-808B ID-5: /media/demo/rootantiX21 raw size: 20.00 GiB size: 19.69 GiB (98.43%) used: 5.61 GiB (28.5%) fs: ext2 dev: /dev/sdi2 label: rootantiX21 uuid: 1314cebc-5af2-4b9b-845f-72c367cb39e5 Unmounted: ID-1: /dev/sda1 size: 450.0 MiB fs: ntfs label: N/A uuid: 767C9A4C7C9A0751 ID-2: /dev/sda2 size: 99.0 MiB fs: vfat label: N/A uuid: CA5D-855D ID-3: /dev/sda3 size: 16.0 MiB fs: <root required> label: N/A uuid: N/A ID-4: /dev/sda4 size: 222.51 GiB fs: ntfs label: N/A uuid: 460E63F10E63D907 ID-5: /dev/sda5 size: 521.0 MiB fs: ntfs label: N/A uuid: F2844E49844E1091 ID-6: /dev/sdb1 size: 128.0 MiB fs: <root required> label: N/A uuid: N/A ID-7: /dev/sdb2 size: 931.39 GiB fs: ntfs label: HDD 1To uuid: 6640C99340C969FF ID-8: /dev/sdc2 size: 31 KiB fs: <root required> label: N/A uuid: N/A ID-9: /dev/sdi1 size: 2.00 GiB fs: swap label: swapantiX uuid: 48ea9119-2ed5-4452-a0b7-9c1aaafcd6ee USB: Hub: 1-0:1 info: Full speed (or root) Hub ports: 16 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip ID: 1d6b:0002 Device-1: 1-5:11 info: MGE UPS Systems UPS type: HID driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s chip ID: 0463:ffff serial: <filter> Device-2: 1-6:3 info: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920 type: Video,Audio driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo interfaces: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip ID: 046d:082d serial: <filter> Device-3: 1-8:4 info: Kingston Flash drive type: Mass Storage driver: usb-storage interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip ID: 13fe:4100 serial: <filter> Device-4: 1-9:5 info: Logitech M105 Optical Mouse type: Mouse driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 1.5 Mb/s chip ID: 046d:c077 Device-5: 1-10:6 info: Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600 (model 1576) type: Keyboard,HID driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 1.5 Mb/s chip ID: 045e:07f8 Device-6: 1-12:7 info: Genesys Logic USB 2.0 Multislot Card Reader/Writer type: Mass Storage driver: usb-storage interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip ID: 05e3:0716 serial: <filter> Hub: 2-0:1 info: Full speed (or root) Hub ports: 8 rev: 3.0 speed: 5 Gb/s chip ID: 1d6b:0003 Device-7: 2-1:2 info: SanDisk Ultra Flair type: Mass Storage driver: usb-storage interfaces: 1 rev: 3.2 speed: 5 Gb/s chip ID: 0781:5591 serial: <filter> Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 29.8 C mobo: 27.8 C Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A Repos: Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 1: deb http: //mirror.tiguinet.net/mx/packages/antix/bullseye bullseye main nosystemd nonfree Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bullseye-backports.list 1: deb http: //deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 1: deb http: //ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 1: deb http: //ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free 2: deb http: //security.debian.org bullseye-security main contrib non-free No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list Processes: CPU top: 5 1: cpu: 2.7% command: app-select started by: python3 pid: 9852 mem: 51.3 MiB (0.3%) 2: cpu: 1.7% command: xorg pid: 6383 mem: 67.2 MiB (0.4%) 3: cpu: 0.4% command: conky pid: 6568 mem: 9.72 MiB (0.0%) 4: cpu: 0.3% command: slim pid: 6354 mem: 13.2 MiB (0.0%) 5: cpu: 0.2% command: [kworker/0:7] pid: 9859 mem: 0.00 MiB (0.0%) Memory top: 5 1: mem: 67.2 MiB (0.4%) command: xorg pid: 6383 cpu: 1.7% 2: mem: 53.0 MiB (0.3%) command: spacefm pid: 6483 cpu: 0.1% 3: mem: 51.3 MiB (0.3%) command: app-select started by: python3 pid: 9852 cpu: 2.7% 4: mem: 30.6 MiB (0.1%) command: yad pid: 9970 cpu: 0.0% 5: mem: 18.0 MiB (0.1%) command: icewm pid: 6464 cpu: 0.1% Info: Processes: 193 Uptime: 22m Init: runit v: N/A runlevel: 2 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.1.4-release inxi: 3.0.36System: Host: antix1 Kernel: 5.10.27-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A parameters: noautomount desktop=space-icewm lang=fr_BE tz=Europe/Brussels quiet splasht disable=lxF Desktop: IceWM 2.4.0 dm: SLiM 1.3.6 Distro: antiX-bullseye-b1-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 10 June 2021 base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: MSI model: H170M PRO-VDH (MS-7982) v: 1.0 serial: <filter> UEFI [Legacy]: American Megatrends v: 2.A0 date: 07/27/2016 Memory: RAM: total: 15.58 GiB used: 269.5 MiB (1.7%) RAM Report: permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required. PCI Slots: Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required. CPU: Topology: Quad Core model: Intel Core i5-6400 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Skylake-S family: 6 model-id: 5E (94) stepping: 3 microcode: E2 L2 cache: 6144 KiB bogomips: 21599 Speed: 3290 MHz min/max: 800/3300 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 3258 2: 3285 3: 3291 4: 3270 Flags: 3dnowprefetch abm acpi adx aes aperfmperf apic arat arch_perfmon art avx avx2 bmi1 bmi2 bts clflush clflushopt cmov constant_tsc cpuid cpuid_fault cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts ept ept_ad erms est f16c flexpriority fma fpu fsgsbase fxsr ht hwp hwp_act_window hwp_epp hwp_notify ida intel_pt invpcid invpcid_single lahf_lm lm mca mce mmx monitor movbe mpx msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pcid pclmulqdq pdcm pdpe1gb pebs pge pln pni popcnt pse pse36 pti pts rdrand rdseed rdtscp rep_good sdbg sep smap smep ss sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 syscall tm tm2 tpr_shadow tsc tsc_adjust vme vmx vnmi vpid x2apic xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveopt xsaves xtopology xtpr Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled Type: l1tf mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: conditional cache flushes, SMT disabled Type: mds status: Vulnerable: Clear CPU buffers attempted, no microcode; SMT disabled Type: meltdown mitigation: PTI Type: spec_store_bypass status: Vulnerable Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full generic retpoline, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling Type: srbds status: Vulnerable: No microcode Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GM206 [GeForce GTX 960] vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1401 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: NV126 v: 4.3 Mesa 20.3.4 direct render: Yes Audio: Device-1: Intel 100 Series/C230 Series Family HD Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1f.3 chip ID: 8086:a170 Device-2: NVIDIA GM206 High Definition Audio vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.1 chip ID: 10de:0fba Device-3: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920 type: USB driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo bus ID: 1-6:3 chip ID: 046d:082d serial: <filter> Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.27-antix.1-amd64-smp Network: Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet vendor: Micro-Star MSI driver: r8169 v: kernel port: d000 bus ID: 02:00.0 chip ID: 10ec:8168 IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter> IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter> IP v6: <filter> type: dynamic mngtmpaddr scope: global IP v6: <filter> scope: link WAN IP: <filter> Drives: Local Storage: total: 1.16 TiB used: 1.40 GiB (0.1%) ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Kingston model: SUV400S37240G size: 223.57 GiB block size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: D6SD scheme: GPT ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Seagate model: ST1000DM003-1SB102 size: 931.51 GiB block size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm serial: <filter> rev: CC43 scheme: GPT ID-3: /dev/sdc type: USB model: USB DISK 2.0 size: 29.83 GiB block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B serial: <filter> rev: DL07 scheme: MBR Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: HL-DT-ST model: DVDRAM GH24NSD1 rev: LG00 dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw Features: speed: 12 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram state: running RAID: Message: No RAID data was found. Partition: ID-1: / raw size: N/A size: 12.40 GiB used: 3.2 MiB (0.0%) fs: overlay source: ERR-102 label: N/A uuid: N/A ID-2: /live/boot-dev raw size: 29.83 GiB size: 29.81 GiB (99.95%) used: 1.39 GiB (4.7%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sdc1 label: INTUIX16MO uuid: 3038-AE19 ID-3: /live/linux raw size: 1.34 GiB size: <root required> used: <root required> fs: squashfs dev: /dev/loop0 label: N/A uuid: N/A Unmounted: ID-1: /dev/sda1 size: 450.0 MiB fs: ntfs label: N/A uuid: 767C9A4C7C9A0751 ID-2: /dev/sda2 size: 99.0 MiB fs: vfat label: N/A uuid: CA5D-855D ID-3: /dev/sda3 size: 16.0 MiB fs: <root required> label: N/A uuid: N/A ID-4: /dev/sda4 size: 222.51 GiB fs: ntfs label: N/A uuid: 460E63F10E63D907 ID-5: /dev/sda5 size: 521.0 MiB fs: ntfs label: N/A uuid: F2844E49844E1091 ID-6: /dev/sdb1 size: 128.0 MiB fs: <root required> label: N/A uuid: N/A ID-7: /dev/sdb2 size: 931.39 GiB fs: ntfs label: HDD 1To uuid: 6640C99340C969FF ID-8: /dev/sdc2 size: 31 KiB fs: <root required> label: N/A uuid: N/A USB: Hub: 1-0:1 info: Full speed (or root) Hub ports: 16 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip ID: 1d6b:0002 Device-1: 1-5:2 info: MGE UPS Systems UPS type: HID driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s chip ID: 0463:ffff serial: <filter> Device-2: 1-6:3 info: Logitech HD Pro Webcam C920 type: Video,Audio driver: snd-usb-audio,uvcvideo interfaces: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip ID: 046d:082d serial: <filter> Device-3: 1-8:4 info: Kingston Flash drive type: Mass Storage driver: usb-storage interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip ID: 13fe:4100 serial: <filter> Device-4: 1-9:5 info: Logitech M105 Optical Mouse type: Mouse driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 1.5 Mb/s chip ID: 046d:c077 Device-5: 1-10:6 info: Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600 (model 1576) type: Keyboard,HID driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 1.5 Mb/s chip ID: 045e:07f8 Device-6: 1-12:7 info: Genesys Logic USB 2.0 Multislot Card Reader/Writer type: Mass Storage driver: usb-storage interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip ID: 05e3:0716 serial: <filter> Hub: 2-0:1 info: Full speed (or root) Hub ports: 8 rev: 3.0 speed: 5 Gb/s chip ID: 1d6b:0003 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 44.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 29 C Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A gpu: nouveau fan: 0 Repos: Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 1: deb http: //mirror.tiguinet.net/mx/packages/antix/bullseye bullseye main nosystemd nonfree Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bullseye-backports.list 1: deb http: //deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 1: deb http: //ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 1: deb http: //ftp.be.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free 2: deb http: //security.debian.org bullseye-security main contrib non-free No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list Processes: CPU top: 5 1: cpu: 11.0% command: yad pid: 7040 mem: 27.6 MiB (0.1%) 2: cpu: 1.4% command: slim pid: 6192 mem: 13.1 MiB (0.0%) 3: cpu: 1.0% command: xorg pid: 6230 mem: 68.9 MiB (0.4%) 4: cpu: 0.4% command: app-select started by: python3 pid: 6665 mem: 51.4 MiB (0.3%) 5: cpu: 0.2% command: runit pid: 1 mem: 0.48 MiB (0.0%) Memory top: 5 1: mem: 68.9 MiB (0.4%) command: xorg pid: 6230 cpu: 1.0% 2: mem: 52.3 MiB (0.3%) command: spacefm pid: 6343 cpu: 0.2% 3: mem: 51.4 MiB (0.3%) command: app-select started by: python3 pid: 6665 cpu: 0.4% 4: mem: 27.6 MiB (0.1%) command: yad pid: 7040 cpu: 11.0% 5: mem: 18.1 MiB (0.1%) command: volumeicon pid: 6485 cpu: 0.0% Info: Processes: 179 Uptime: 4m Init: runit v: N/A runlevel: 2 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.1.4-release inxi: 3.0.36Attachments:
Topic: Alternatives lead to choices
Brian Masinick
I’ve shared a few historical videos on a few of the most influential forces in the development of small computer systems that everyone can use.
Without a doubt, Microsoft – along with the name and might of IBM and the chip making expertise of Intel, made a huge mark on computing.
Apple Computer, with both Steve Jobs and Tim Cook, have made tremendous design choices that have had a profound influence on both small computers, portable small, smart phones, and music – which of course has led to tablets, smart phones, music players, and now it is all integrated on our “smart” phones.
Almost five decades ago, General Electric, RCA, Xerox Parc, and research universities on the East and West Coasts of the United States of America did some advanced computer operating systems research. Only the TRUE GEEKS in the audience will even know about it, but a really cool operating system that was 10-20 years ahead of hardware advancements, MULTICS, was invented. I got a chance to use it in 1982, before UNIX and Linux became popular.
UNIX was actually invented in 1969 at AT&T Bell Systems Laboratories. I’d have to go back in my computer history books on MULTICS; I’m guessing it was invented in the early sixties and available in the middle sixties. If anyone wants to know (or is familiar with the timeline) do share it; if there is sufficient interest, I can otherwise look it up; I’ve written research papers on this in the distant past.
AT&T and the University of California at Berkeley (UCB) went to “war” over software rights. AT&T argued about UCB use of UNIX code in their UCB UNIX derivative, the BSD or Berkeley Standard Distribution. UCB, likewise, fought AT&T over incorporating the Berkeley improvements in editing, the ex improvements to the standard ed text editor and the much more famous vi improvements, which are text editor standards today.
Fearing this, some people set out to rewrite the Berkeley Standard Distribution entirely. Today we have FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD as completely free rewrites.
At about the same time, our now famous friends, Richard M. Stallman and Linus Torvalds were at work. Stallman got a start significantly before Torvalds, creating many UNIX application replacements, beginning with a rewrite of an existing editor, Emacs, creating GNU Emacs, then worked with many people to create complete code replacements for each utility. The last was the kernel. Before a solid GNU kernel was created, Linus Torvalds created a simple kernel. He was going to call it Freax, but someone else thought the name was bad, so the alternative name Linux was chosen. The Free Software Foundation and Stallman did eventually create a Mach kernel, but it never really caught on, so the systems we have today are called Linux. Stallman insists that it really ought to be GNU/Linux, because most of the software is actually a GNU shell, core utilities, a Linux kernel, and applications from both GNU and other sources. Most people ignore this and refer to the software either as “Linux” or by the distribution names, such as antiX, MX Linux, Fedora, openSUSE, etc.
There is a lot more to the complete story; the videos and the comments in this message represent a fraction of what actually happened.
In the antiX historical tree, there was an older distribution called MEPIS. If I recall correctly, at one point in time, Warren Woodford worked on several important projects in the nineties and early 2000s. I *think* that Warren spent at least some time on the Next Computer project that Steve Jobs created during his absence from Apple Computer. When that project fizzled, Woodford came up with MEPIS, one of the top Linux distributions of the early 2000s.
A couple years after MEPIS was produced, one person asked if they could make a much lighter derivative of MEPIS and call it…
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antiX!In 2011, MEPIS produced the final release. In 2012, a test version was in the works. I believe that Warren Woodford, wanting to “pay the bills”, like most of us, accepted some good paying work in software patents.
People like Adrian, Jerry, and a few others who were key MEPIS users and developers, eventually started MX Linux. At first, I believe our own anticapitalista helped with some of the work. I know that Dolphin Oracle has been a major influence, as have others.
Again, I’m not recording every person, every event, and some details may not be 100% accurate.
Those with details are welcome to note additional details; those are welcome, Attacking, unkind remarks will not be welcome, accepted, or allowed to remain in this thread, since the idea of writing this history and posting this topic are mine alone. Only the history itself is owned by others; the particular order, emphasis, and details, whether completely accurate or slightly flawed are ultimately my responsibility to assert and correct.
I hope I have most of this right and I hope at least a few of you enjoy the historical perspectives I have shared in this section today.
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How Microsoft Saved Apple (And Why They Did It) – How Microsoft Saved Apple
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The Story of Microsoft – How a Computer Club Took Over The World
Another interesting series of historical events – full of useful events – and also a number of “half-truths” – a few of which were outright lies.
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Brian MasinickIn reply to: MOST IMPORTANT TIP EVER IN THIS FORUM
Robin
My dear JSM,
there are some things you should bear in mind when testing and discussing antiX.1.) This project is not backed up by unlimited manpower like an organisation of the size of e.g. microsoft or canonical. But you will find here a team of highly engaged people doing their very best to help other people out volunteerly in their spare time. Moreover you will find behind scenes a team of highly skilled people creating and maintaining functionality like all the live persistent etc. stuff, which I did never happen to see in such a foxy, sophisticated way. Moreover they care for support of machines other distros won’t even consider to be worth their while to let them even live in their code.
Comparing all this to the manpower and means the result is simply great.2.) Many parts of what antiX is constructed of are adopted from other projects (a very common process in linux world, as you probably know). So developers here don’t have influence on some decisions these ancestors make. Without manpower to re-code it in a special version for antiX it’ll simply stay as it is. Due to some design decisions of the “ancestors” in newer versions of their code antiX needs to stick to older versions of some programs, allowing to get executed on older hardware still. So you might miss some functionality you find in other distros. But this is the price of keeping usage of ressources at a low level. If you can’t live with it, this is probably not the right distro for your needs. But you should know: many of the heavyly ressource-wasting functionality can be invisibly replaced by more efficiently working engines at backend, so user won’t notice much difference on screen. This is what describes “lean and mean”. Sometimes a simple script is enough to replace main functionality of a heavy weighted software bundle only executable on brand new fast multicore systems.
3.) The bord is — as PPC has described impressively in his opening posting — a place to come together and learn from each other freely. And I sign his words about the borders of personal freedom. Here in this place people differently skilled share their time and knowledge to help other users out. Again, all of us do this volunteerly, and quite regularily it happens the person answering had to investigate the stuff before being able to give some hints in prospect to resolve the problem a user has. This is not a professional service hotline who owes you customer support. Even if we do make mistakes and are far off from providing perfect (or in some cases even functioning) solutions, you should compare the results to what professional driven hotlines nowadays provide. In this place you will not get a soft voice reading you out some readymade set pieces from a database. All this is handmade. And you will see: People won’t stop until your problem gets solved if you ask kindly and in an non insulting way even once having received a not useful (or even wrong) answer. As said before: we are all learning from each other here, this is the spirit of a community. And Linux _IS_ community. In case an interrogator realises an proposed solution to be wrong or has more knowledge about it already, he should freely express this by describing what he feels of being needed to correct, and why, explaining what leads him to the contrary opinion. This gives a base to discuss the problem target oriented to finally solve it. This is more as what you can expect from most existing professional help desks.
And now look at the way you’ve reacted yourself:
Well, as all of you can see, the answeres from the 2 people where just not helpfull.
So what? As you might have got from my scraggy attempts of explanation you will have to live with it. WE ARE NOT PERFECT.
And this is not the frist time! I am very good in testing…linux, browsers, swap methods…and also people.
Again, accept it or leave it. And being that skilled you should rather consider to back up our manpower than wasting time with meaningless chiack. Remember the spirit of community. Moreover, you might even simply file a bug, when finding it while testing. And you could — as I did myself — go on, taking the bull by the horns and starting to mend out critical errors found in some existing scripts.
It is very strange, that 2 people are not even able to give answers to a simple zram script, that everyone can understand, that has just basic skills. But as I told you, I am very good in testing, also people.
This is fine. If you consider the script in question as understandable to everyone, this means, you do understand it already. How come than you had to ask how to deal with some problems of using it? I presume, you did already know the solution, at least how to find it.
And please stop giving users missleading answers! With this you are waisting the time of the useres and also harm the antiX project!
As outlined above: even misleading answers are part of the process of finding a solution. Again: WE ARE NOT PERFECT. And even within a circle of highly skilled engineers you will see erroneous and misleading opinions, this is simply human. What makes all the difference: The way you react to this fact. They are trained to discuss all this in a professional way and this way sort out any kind of errors in the end.
And yes, I am a ingeneer for informatic (not computer since)
Fine again. This is best basis to step in and help other people out. Think of the spirit of Community. Again and again: Using Linux _IS_ community.
I am near 53 years old and I am not a stupid
Nobody said so (I do hope at least…)
anyway I can ask like a stupid in order to show up the people, that like to play around with stupid. Do you got the point? I hope so.
Well, here we have the very „true core of this poodle” (freely translated from J.W.v Goethe, just remember what this expression commonly stands for in German language, I’m sure you’ll understand. For all non German reading people: it translates correctly to „the gist of the matter“)
Please, DON’T WASTE OUR TIME BY SIMULATING YOU’D BE IN NEED OF HELP if this is not true. Nobody here is “playing around with stupid“. Don’t mix this up with some attempts to brighten up boring technical conversation by interspersing some jokes, or people playing on words. Take always into account these might not get understood in other languages, and thus be aware also you yourself might not have got the true intention of an seemingly insulting response from somebody trying to help you out. We have often seen the meaning get lost in translation. Understanding fun and humor in a foreign language is something you need to be skilled to an utmost high level in reading this language and knowing its culture to get its sense right. This is one of the most difficult tasks you can manage in a foreign language. Online translated texts commonly fail to transport the true sense, just like people not _very_ familiar with the foreign language in question.
Now, you may decide: Would you like to join and help other people out, best you can? Or would you rather stay where you are, trying to provoke volunteerly helping people? In the latter case, simply leave us. But in the first case you are welcome, even after all. Everybody should get entitled of a second chance, if he has understood finally how things are run…
Robin
Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.
In reply to: GERENCIADOR DE ARQUIVOS
Bem-vindo ao Fórum antiX. Está no lugar certo e irá encontrar ajuda. Como não compreendo uma palavra de português, só posso esperar que a minha resposta seja traduzida correctamente. É melhor esperar que os falantes nativos de português respondam, ou tentar traduzir as suas perguntas para inglês. Então todos aqui podem tentar ajudar. Se preferir escrever em português, utilize por favor o subforum. antiX subforum português
como sou novo no linux estou tendo um aserie de dificuldades.
É assim para todos os que vivem exclusivamente no mundo Windows há muitos anos… Mas isso pode mudar rapidamente se estiver disposto a envolver-se em algo novo.
como fazia no windows
Linux não é Windows, e algumas coisas funcionam de forma diferente. Mas: Muitas coisas podem ser configuradas livremente, para que depois de algumas configurações e ajustes funcione exactamente como deseja (e não como um designer de produtos da Microsoft decidiu por si…).
A melhor coisa a fazer é descrever com a maior precisão possível que tipo de interface de utilizador está a utilizar, e que gestor de ficheiros está a utilizar para copiar. Então os utilizadores experientes podem ajudá-lo melhor aqui. Além disso, é sempre bom ver o resultado do comando
inxi -zv8
aqui. A partir disto, os ajudantes podem ver muito do que é necessário para resolver problemas.Boa sorte!
Robin____
To all English speaking people here: I just gave him advice either to ask in English language here, or to use the Portuguese subforum, along with some hints for best practise to get good results.Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.
In reply to: Which file system works best?
rallan
I have put my Quick Info output at the end of this post.
Executive Summary: AMD Ryzen 5 1500X bits: 64 type, with a NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] card, 8GB RAM, and a 1TB SSD for the main drive. It’s a desktop. MXLinux19.4-AHS-5.10.0 is my OS. ext4 is my file system.
I have a second spare HDD sitting idle in its own bay, I am thinking of installing antiX on it.
Up until now I have only used antiX as a liveUSB. I started out with FAT32 then switched to ext4. I re-installed antiX with MX Live USB Maker, which as you know is tailored for antiX and MXLinux installations.
Since the switch three apps that I installed – and were working for a while – stopped working. The apps that came bundled with the installation all seem fine.
Is there a cardinal rule that a liveUSB – regardless of the OS – must run on FAT32, and not on any other type of file system?
I dislike FAT32 because it lacks journaling.
System: Host: <filter> Kernel: 5.10.0-4mx-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: N/A
parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-4mx-amd64
root=UUID=<filter> ro quiet splash
Desktop: Xfce 4.14.2 tk: Gtk 3.24.5 info: xfce4-panel wm: xfwm4 dm: LightDM 1.26.0
Distro: MX-19.4_x64 patito feo November 11 2020 base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
Machine: Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: PRIME A320M-K v: Rev X.0x serial: <filter>
UEFI: American Megatrends v: 5603 date: 10/14/2020
CPU: Topology: Quad Core model: AMD Ryzen 5 1500X bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Zen
family: 17 (23) model-id: 1 stepping: 1 microcode: 8001138 L2 cache: 2048 KiB
flags: avx avx2 lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm bogomips: 55894
Speed: 3422 MHz min/max: 1550/3500 MHz boost: enabled Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1547
2: 1547 3: 1496 4: 2992 5: 1544 6: 1542 7: 1497 8: 2988
Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
Type: l1tf status: Not affected
Type: mds status: Not affected
Type: meltdown status: Not affected
Type: spec_store_bypass
mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp
Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
Type: spectre_v2
mitigation: Full AMD retpoline, IBPB: conditional, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling
Type: srbds status: Not affected
Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 210] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau v: kernel
bus ID: 07:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0a65
Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.10 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
resolution: 1920×1080~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: NVA8 v: 3.3 Mesa 20.3.4 direct render: Yes
Audio: Device-1: NVIDIA High Definition Audio vendor: eVga.com. driver: snd_hda_intel
v: kernel bus ID: 07:00.1 chip ID: 10de:0be3
Device-2: AMD Family 17h HD Audio vendor: ASUSTeK driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
bus ID: 09:00.3 chip ID: 1022:1457
Sound Server: ALSA v: k5.10.0-4mx-amd64
Network: Device-1: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
vendor: ASUSTeK PRIME B450M-A driver: r8169 v: kernel port: f000 bus ID: 05:00.0
chip ID: 10ec:8168
IF: eth0 state: up speed: 1000 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
IF-ID-1: tun0 state: unknown speed: 10 Mbps duplex: full mac: N/A
Drives: Local Storage: total: 2.74 TiB used: 176.43 GiB (6.3%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WDS100T2B0A size: 931.51 GiB
block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s serial: <filter> rev: 90WD
scheme: GPT
ID-2: /dev/sdb vendor: Western Digital model: WD10EZEX-08WN4A0 size: 931.51 GiB
block size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s rotation: 7200 rpm
serial: <filter> rev: 1A02 scheme: MBR
ID-3: /dev/sdc type: USB vendor: Lexar model: USB Flash Drive size: 14.62 GiB
block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B serial: <filter> rev: 1100 scheme: GPT
ID-4: /dev/sdd type: USB vendor: Toshiba model: DT01ACA100 size: 931.51 GiB
block size: physical: 512 B logical: 512 B serial: <filter> scheme: GPT
Partition: ID-1: / raw size: 929.23 GiB size: 913.65 GiB (98.32%) used: 175.96 GiB (19.3%)
fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
ID-2: swap-1 size: 2.00 GiB used: 486.0 MiB (23.7%) fs: swap
swappiness: 15 (default 60) cache pressure: 100 (default) dev: /dev/sda3
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 35.8 C mobo: N/A gpu: nouveau temp: 55 C
Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Repos: No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ buster main contrib non-free
2: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian-security buster/updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/dropbox.list
1: deb [arch=i386,amd64] http://linux.dropbox.com/debian buster main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/geogebra.list
1: deb http://www.geogebra.net/linux/ stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mx.list
1: deb https://muug.ca/mirror/mx-packages/mx/repo/ buster main non-free
2: deb https://muug.ca/mirror/mx-packages/mx/repo/ buster ahs
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/nordvpn.list
1: deb https://repo.nordvpn.com//deb/nordvpn/debian stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/slack.list
1: deb https://packagecloud.io/slacktechnologies/slack/debian/ jessie main
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/vscode.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/vscode stable main
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/yandex-disk.list
1: deb http://repo.yandex.ru/yandex-disk/deb/ stable main
Info: Processes: 280 Uptime: 1d 1h 44m Memory: 7.77 GiB used: 3.87 GiB (49.8%)
Init: SysVinit v: 2.93 runlevel: 5 default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 alt: 8
Shell: quick-system-in running in: quick-system-in inxi: 3.0.36In reply to: Hi, new to the forum
rokytnji
Howdy back, atcha.
My uneducated guess. You need a newer kernel for newer gear to get video. Maybe the vesa or fb driver may get you by.
I can’t say. Your Ubuntu reference makes me think this.I’d ask for live boot and see if you get a screen.
If that works.
Post the output ofinxi -Fx -rHere is mine as a example
harry@biker:~ $ inxi -Fx -r System: Host: biker Kernel: 4.9.193-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0 Desktop: IceWM 2.3.4 Distro: antiX-19_x64-full Marielle Franco 16 October 2019 base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Machine: Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 2347DS2 v: ThinkPad T430 serial: <root required> Mobo: LENOVO model: 2347DS2 serial: <root required> UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO v: G1ET41WW (1.16 ) date: 05/25/2012 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 12.3 Wh condition: 12.3/56.2 Wh (22%) model: SANYO 45N1001 status: Full CPU: Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-3320M bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Ivy Bridge rev: 9 L2 cache: 3072 KiB flags: avx lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx bogomips: 20751 Speed: 2609 MHz min/max: 1200/3300 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 2609 2: 2885 3: 2980 4: 1712 Graphics: Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel bus ID: 00:02.0 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.4 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa resolution: 1600x900~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile v: 4.2 Mesa 18.3.6 direct render: Yes Audio: Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio vendor: Lenovo driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus ID: 00:1b.0 Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.9.193-antix.1-amd64-smp Network: Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 5080 bus ID: 00:19.0 IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:21:cc:d0:5f:88 Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi v: kernel port: efa0 bus ID: 03:00.0 IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 60:67:20:95:09:dc Drives: Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 52.71 GiB (11.3%) ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST500LT012-1DG142 size: 465.76 GiB Partition: ID-1: / size: 19.10 GiB used: 5.35 GiB (28.0%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 ID-2: /home size: 433.48 GiB used: 47.36 GiB (10.9%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2 ID-3: swap-1 size: 4.82 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda1 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0 C mobo: N/A Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 3631 Repos: Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 1: deb https://mirrors.evowise.com/mxlinux-packages/antix/buster/ buster main nonfree nosystemd Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/buster-backports.list 1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-backports main contrib non-free Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 1: deb http://mirror.us.oneandone.net/debian/ buster-updates main contrib non-free Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 1: deb http://mirror.us.oneandone.net/debian/ buster main contrib non-free 2: deb http://security.debian.org/ buster/updates main contrib non-free Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list 1: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/insync.list No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/jitsi-stable.list No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/onion.list Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teams.list 1: deb [arch=amd64] https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/ms-teams/ stable main No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list Info: Processes: 173 Uptime: 4h 19m Memory: 15.47 GiB used: 796.8 MiB (5.0%) Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 8.3.0 Shell: bash v: 5.0.3 inxi: 3.0.36 harry@biker:~I run Micro Soft Teams on here because of my wife and her default job stuff.
Maybe this page will help to get you to a running live desktop session.https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Boot_Parameters
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
Good luck.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 11 months ago by rokytnji.
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How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problemsIn reply to: Browsers
calciumsodium
@sybok suggested I do the test on another platform.
So I tried a bushcraft video in vimeo:
Initially, this video produced more choppy cpu load % compared to the previous youtube video, but did eventually leveled off. That is when I measured the CPU %.
browser CPU %
firefox 50
firefox-esr 47
google-chrome-stable 29
chromium 37
microsoft-edge-dev 38The pattern reproduces. Google chrome still performed best of these browsers. Again, the chromium based browsers performed better.
- This reply was modified 2 years ago by anticapitalista. Reason: shrunk video
seaken64
One of the most annoying things is THE BLOAT! ***, even the minimal version is so bloated, that when you open menu you are going to get stroke.
Yes. Too many programs. I have read that too much free software will sometimes cause a stroke in some individuals.
Particularly those who work for Microsoft. But has been reported to happen to others.After few weeks of usage I am still having problems finding what I need in the menu.
Better to lay off taking the initiative to customize your own computer.
Remember: your life just might be at stake. Don’t push yourself too hard. We wouldn’t want you to stroke out.Forgive me for the sarcasm, guys. I gotta laugh.
Also, I’ve never heard of software bloat being used in that context.
@christophe,
Thanks for the laugh! That was hilarious!
I’ve always said antiX is not for everyone. Some folks are just better off moving on to something else. But for those who are willing to pitch in and get to work on their own systems antiX is fantastic. I compare it to “Bare bones” computers where a person may not want to start from scratch but start with a partially assembled computer and then tweak it with some custom add-ons.
As for those of us who complain about the menu not being to their liking – change it. It’s not that hard to do. And beside that there is a “Personal Menu” built in to the antiX system, ready made for your own personal tastes.
Personally, I find the menus in KDE and Cinnamon extremely difficult to work with. Talk about getting lost! in antiX you can make up your own menus! Or skip the menu entirely! How cool is that? But, like I said, not for everyone.
seaken64
Well, let me add some thoughts here. I feel developers of antiX do really a great job. It’s about “performing the splits” (this is a German metaphor standing for the attempt of satisfying two completely contrary requirements, like the legs getting stretched to the utmost opposite direction) between low resource consumption on the on hand and high degree of convenience for the user experience on the other. And all this summed up under the proposition of efficiency and highly sophisticated workflow design, garnished with a dressy design and a high grade of flexibility. This is something you will scarcely find combined all together in other operating systems. antiX provides the ability to max out so called outdated hardware, rendering it to a well functioning and reliable everyday working tool again, expanding its lifecycle and providing evidence there is something we can stand against throwaway society.
The ubiquitously pretended need for more and again more speed, memory, cores, bus width, to put it in a nutshell: pressure to incessantly increased computing power is a mere phantom, driven by unreflected usage of ressources. We have it, well, so let’s throw it out of the window, waste it as if there was no tomorrow. I well remember the days when programmers were able to drive the very utmost out of limited hardware by means of low-level optimising, getting very close to physical hardware, even writing parts of it in assembler to speed up processing and squeezing functions into really small ammounts of memory. I’ve seen things on merely 486dx or 386/87 generation of processors, like rendering of virtual, realistic images from CAD construction drawings, raytracing etc. Even playing high fidelity music files, wysiwyg creating scores and reading them while transfering to midi and playing simultaneously, using so called dedicated programmable soundcards, and judder free watching and processing movie files was state of the art. When looking at “modern” Computers, I don’t see literally nothing really new, which could legitimate in any way the recent amount of system requirements other operating systems exempt from antiX (and very few others) claim to be necessary for convenient user experience.
There is nothing special about trimming an operating system to minimum resource consumption by means of spartan features, but when it comes to offering a contemporary user interface and a comfortable user experience at the same time, this antiX is way ahead.
Well, there ARE legitimate use cases where very powerful hardware is essential, especially when it comes to professional special applications. Also computer games often push even modern hardware to its performance limits. But the everyday user, writing some letters on his/her hardware, playing music and movies, chatting, surfing, doing whatever you want, even producing music, really doesn’t need this power, it is simply wasted.
You may call this personal opinion, but my opinion is based on long term experience, covering any kind of OS’, from Microsoft systems, MacOS to different Unix/Linux flavours. You might think, this kind of “performing the splits” is something you can get from any Linux flavour, but indeed you can’t. OK, yes, you could in theory. But practically I wasn’t able to install a recent Ubuntu or whatever _usable_ on the very systems, which do run on antiX flawlessly on a per everyday usage basis, providing powerful computing experience still, even with hardware being 20 years old. Admitted, this needs some aditional fine tuning, but isn’t it worth the trouble when you could save some fully functioning hardware from getting scrapped for a mere phantom modern society blindly follows?
Do the long-time antiX users necessarily have to feel uneasy by addition of less purist features? I don’t think so.
Simply since both the purist concept and the maxing out of resources for user convenience are based on the same foundation: A higly efficient system base, covered by slightly different styled surfaces only. This is a proof of flexibility antiX provides.Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.
Topic: Browsers
I wanted to share a recent finding that I experienced regarding browsers in antiX. I quick background and then the test. I recently installed google chrome in antiX and wanted to see how it would perform in antiX. I use google chrome and microsoft edge on my Windows computers both at home and at work. I was watching several youtube videos about fishing, and I noticed that it was streaming very fast. I had been using firefox predominantly in antiX previously. So I was thinking about how I could test to see if there was a difference. I downloaded the lastest version of firefox, firefox-esr, chrome, chromium, and edge:
firefox 88.0
firefox-esr 78.9.0
google-chrome-stable 90.0.4430.93-1
chromium 89.0.4389.114-1
microsoft-edge-dev 92.0.873.1-1I would watch the same youtube fishing video on each of these browsers and compare CPU %:
With no other major programs running, I would individually launch each of these browsers only and then load the youtube fishing video. Now, upon loading a youtube video, cpu load is initially high. Then cpu load would drop and then stabilize. Visually, I can tell that cpu load is stabilizing because of the cpu load icon at the lower right of the screen in the task bar line directly to the left of the time. When that CPU load trace line is horizontal and even, I would quickly click Show Desktop and record the CPU % level in conky. This is what I found for that video:
browser CPU %
firefox 47
firefox-esr 51
google-chrome-stable 20
chromium 30
microsoft-edge-dev 28Interestingly, this trend is similar when I was watching other videos as well. My finding suggests that the chromium based browsers (chrome, chromium, edge) perform better than the firefox based browsers with streaming videos. But of the chromium based browsers, chrome performs the best.
This test was performed on an old Toshiba Satellite C55-B5300 laptop using antiX-bullseye-a2-full-64-bit OS. The specs for this cpu is:
Model name: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU N2840 @ 2.16GHz
Stepping: 8
CPU MHz: 1934.387
CPU max MHz: 2582.3000
CPU min MHz: 499.8000
BogoMIPS: 4333.33
Virtualization: VT-x
L1d cache: 48 KiB
L1i cache: 64 KiB
L2 cache: 1 MiBToo bad chrome and edge are not available on 32-bit versions. I would really like to test their performance on my antiX 32-bit systems.
Therefore, I have been using the chromium-based browsers for more of the cpu intensive web browsing.
- This topic was modified 2 years ago by anticapitalista. Reason: shrunk video
marcelocripe
@fatmac,
What items (programs) listed in the antiX main menu do you consider to be “tattered”?
The menus: “App Killer”, “File Manager”, “Web Browser”, “App Select” and etc., are menus that are similar to what we find in other GNU/Linux distributions and Windows. But the “App Killer”, the closer the user is, the better it will be to close a program that has crashed/froze.
On the site below you can see examples of the main menu of Windows 7, unfortunately I could not find these examples in English:
https://www.techtudo.com.br/dicas-e-tutoriais/noticia/2012/08/como-fixar-pastas-e-arquivos-no-menu-iniciar-do-windows-7.htmlNow see the real “mess”, on the site below you can see examples of the main menu of Windows 10:
https://edu.gcfglobal.org/pt/tudo-sobre-o-windows-10/o-menu-iniciar/1/And this example below is from the menu used in GNU/Linux distributions
http://forum.ubuntued.info/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2640I compare the main antiX menu to the Windows XP menu in simplified mode, shown below:
https://wiki.ctic.ufpa.br/index.php/Configurando_o_Eduroam_no_Microsoft_Windows_XPYou can edit the items in the antiX main menu and remove everything you don’t want.
marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese)———-
@fatmac,
O itens (programas) listados do menu principal do antiX você considera que esteja “esfarrapada”?
Os menus: “App Killer”, “File Manager”, “Web Browser”, “App Select” e etc, são os menus que são semelhantes ao que encontramos em outras distribuições GNU/Linux e no Windows. Mas o “App Killer”, quanto mais próximo do usuário estiver, melhor será para fechar um programa que travou/congelou.
No sítio abaixo você poderá ver exemplos do menu principal do Windows 7, infelizmente eu não consegui encontrar estes exemplos em inglês:
(A URL está disponível no texto traduzido pelo tradutor da internet)Agora veja a verdadeira “bagunça”, no sítio abaixo você poderá ver exemplos do menu principal do Windows 10:
(A URL está disponível no texto traduzido pelo tradutor da internet)E este exemplo abaixo é do menu utilizado em distribuições GNU/Linux
(A URL está disponível no texto traduzido pelo tradutor da internet)Eu comparo o menu principal do antiX ao menu do Windows XP no modo simplificado, exibido abaixo:
(A URL está disponível no texto traduzido pelo tradutor da internet)Você pode editar os itens do menu principal do antiX e remover tudo que não quiser.
marcelocripe
(Texto original em idioma Português do Brasil)
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