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  • #34015
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    SamK

      At this point antiX (Connectshares) is able to connect to my another NAS server, so I can work around this issue.

      The fact that Connectshares successfully connects to one of your NAS boxes but not to a different one of your NAS boxes, is a clear indication that Connectshares is working OK. It also confirms the mount command on which Connectshares depends is also working OK. Additionally, it points clearly to your other NAS box as the seat of your connection problem.

      Thank you samK for your willingness to continue this challenge…

      In post #33788 I mentioned that diagnosing matters on your NAS server is something you alone must undertake. I do not have your NAS BOX, or any knowledge about how it is set up, or the configuration of your shares. These constraints mean I am unable to provide suitable guidance.

      …what matters to me is to have one capable Linux system (and hey antiX seems to fit that role in many respects) that I (or others) can use regardless into which machine or network I plug it in.

      Asking for an inbuilt fit with all of the many different types of network is infeasible. Not even Microsoft provides that.

      The fact other users were able to resolve similar network connect issues […] just for their own sake and are happy it works for them is not encouraging if such individual fixes are not translated (ported) to antiX or other Linux distros for general enhancement.

      What you see as someone resolving a matter “just for their own sake” is often activating a switch or function which has been included in the software to cater for that issue. It has not been provided for the sake of that user alone, it is there for anyone and everyone to use if the need arises. An example of this is the capability to specify the SMB/CIFS version for a case of protocol mismatch mentioned previously in this thread.

      SMB/CIFS is a Microsoft product. Keeping in step with changes in protocol made by Microsoft cannot be achieved until after Microsoft have released it. A time delay is inevitable. Unless you chose otherwise, the mount command you are employing in Connectshares comes from a stable software repository which by design only applies security upgrades to the software to keep it safe but stable. Feature upgrades are usually incorporated in the next major release of the operating system.

      Additionally some cases (e.g. the protocol mismatch) get a fix incorporated within the Linux kernel. Since kernel v4.13.5 the default is for the client and server to negotiate the highest possible protocol version greater than or equal to 2.1.

      In your opening post you mention you are using kernel v4.19. Using that you are able to establish a connection to one of your NAS boxes. In turn that implies both your network client and NAS server have negotiated a use of SMB/CIFS protocol greater than or equal to 2.1.

      Because the same network client cannot establish a connection to a different NAS box it may imply that a SMB/CIFS protocol version cannot be negotiated. If that is the case it might be because the protocol in use on your NAS is v1.0 and therefore needs to be specified explicitly when attempting to make a connection. Of course all that is guesswork because you have not provided the relevant information requested previously in this thread. The issue could be attributable to many other things including the set up of your NAS and configuration of your shares.

      To test run the following commands in your home directory.

      mkdir testmnt
      
      sudo mount -t cifs //192.168.0.6/Files testmnt --verbose -o vers=1.0,domain=workgroup,username=francis 
      
      ls testmnt
      #33673
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      PDP-8

        Re: fragmentation worries…

        Just remember – every time you enter a virtual terminal with CTRL-ALT-F1, a bell goes off inside a retired Microsoft Xenix developer’s house. Prior to that, one had to practice up on his foreground and backgrounding skills. 🙂

        Heh, fragmentation existed LONG before internally to ATT itself in the 70’s. You had “research” Unix (Ken, Dennis, Doug, and all the rest of the merry research gang), and the “real” Unix like PWB, MERT, CB for people with actual work to do like John Mashey etc. Even this before going commercial or when BSD became a thing.

        Too bad most kids don’t know their computer history in regards to *nix. Kind of puts a different spin on things.

        #33447
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        PPC

          @dr-kart Thanks, I found it usefull!
          For newbies, in particular it may be easier to just perform “LibreOffice font substitution” like that link exemplifies:

          In LibreOffice, you exchange Calibri and Cambria with Carlito and Caladea this way:

          Open the “Extras” menu
          Go to “Options”

          Choose “LibreOffice”
          Choose “Fonts”

          Remember to check “Always” in the substitution lines.

          NOTE 1:
          `In LibreOffice 6.4, to perform font substitution I had to do this:

          – Open LibreOffice ; Menu “Tools” – “Options” – Choose “LibreOffice” – Choose “Fonts”
          – Define the substitution for each of the two fonts (Calibri -> Carlito, Cambria -> Caladea), Clicking the (V) icon to the write of where you select the substitutions after entering each one; Check the “Apply…” box underneath and finally click the button to Accept the changes… `

          (the link dr-kart made available has a screen grab that shows exactly what the user needs to do in LibreOffice to perform these substitutions.

          Note 2: as documented on-line, these official Microsoft fonts look worse in non MS Windows OS’s than in Windows – I find that “Calibri”, for example is way narrower and harder to read than “Carlito”.

          #33436
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          PPC

            To increase compatibility with text documents from MS Office users, you can Install ttf-mscorefonts-installer from Synaptic.
            but that package does not include newer fonts like Calibri…
            So solve that:

            1- Download the newer Microsoft fonts, that are included in the free MS PowerPointViewer installer (faster using the terminal, you can also download using a web browser):
            wget https://sourceforge.net/projects/mscorefonts2/files/cabs/PowerPointViewer.exe
            2- Using a file manager, navigate to the folder where you downloaded that file and using archive manager, extract the cab file from the .exe, then extract the needed .TTF files (like CALIBRI*.TTF) to your home folder
            3- Create the right folder to store the font, on your OS (faster using the terminal, you can also do this using a file manager in root mode):
            sudo mkdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/calibri/
            4- Copy the font files to that folder (faster using the terminal, you can also do this using a file manager in root mode):
            sudo cp ~/CALIBRI*.TTF /usr/share/fonts/truetype/calibri/
            5- Reload the fonts cache (faster using the terminal, the other choice is restarting antiX):
            sudo fc-cache -f -v

            P.

            #33242
            Member
            PPC

              the only thing i really would love is a nice guide on how to install old school win 98/xp games on antix

              Ok:
              1- install WINE ( Menu- Control Centre – system tab – Package installer – Misc- Wine )
              2- configure WINE
              3- Open a file browser (SpaceFM, for example) navigate to where you have your Win 98/xp games. Right click the .exe file you want to run, select the option to open it with WINE.

              That’s about it. If the windows game runs under wine, it should start.

              If you want to, install q4wine and playonlinux from synaptic – they help configuring WINE.

              The other option you have is installing VirtualBox from the Package installer, and find a Windows 98/Xp virtual machine – Microsoft used to suply those images for free, now they only offer Windows 10 virtual images… Install that virtual image and run your games from there…

              P.

              #32945
              Member
              PPC

                How to install applications/software on antiX (2020 version):

                You have recently found out about Linux or antiX in particular and you want to know how to install new software?

                As almost everything in Linux in general and antiX, there’s many ways to do most things:

                1- Use “Package Installer” ( available in: Menu – Control Centre – System tab):
                It’s like a small “antiX app store” – it has a list of over a hundred of the most installed software applications, divided into categories, searchable by application name (but not description) – almost any browser you can think of, WINE, Steam, Java, VLC, language packages, are all instalable from there, using a single click- the user does not have to interact with the many times dreaded terminal.
                As “Package Installer” windows states grayed out applications are already installed.
                – To install new applications simply left click the application you want (a check will appear in the box) and click the “Install” button and wait for the automated install process to finish (you do get to see a black terminal window, that disappears automatically once the install process finishes).
                Pros: easy to use, makes many general use applications instalable with a single click.
                Cons: newbies may find the interface a bit spartan, without icons or screen shots.

                2- Use Synaptic package manager ( also available, among other places, in: menu – Control Centre – System tab ):

                This is a very powerful application that allows you to install and manage any software application available from the Debian repositories- there are many tens of thousands available.
                – to search for a application to install click to magnifying glass icon on the upper right side of the window – you can search by application name or description (ex: you can search by “VLC” or by “media player”).
                – A small search window pops up – enter the application (package) you want to search there and press the magnifying glass icon available on that window (that small window closes automatically)
                – Wait a few moments for Synaptic to show you the results of the search- they are presented on the right hand side of the main window. If you have to, scroll down the results of your search, until you find the application(s) you want to install.
                – Right click the file(s) you want to install and select “Mark for installation”. (Note: You can install more than one application or package at the same time.) If that file needs to some other files in order to run ( has dependencies), Synaptic will tell you exactly what else needs to be installed and offers to install those files. If that happens, you have to explicitly click the button to “mark” those extra files for installation, in order to continue the install process.
                – Once you selected everything you want to install, click the “Gears” icon (Apply) on the top of Synaptic’s window. A confirmation pop up window will inform you exactly how many files will be downloaded, their size what the space they will use on your hard drive after installation. Click the “Apply” button and wait for the installation to finish.
                The new application icon appears automatically on the menu. The install process is finished when you see the application you installed is “checked” in Synaptic’s main window.
                Pros: many thousands of applications available. Does not require using the terminal at all. Installs probably anything you may need. Safe to user, does not in any way harm your system.
                Cons: can be a bit overwhelming to new users because it does not only show applications but their dependencies, and also fonts, drivers, etc. Does not automatically show any graphical previews of the applications ( no pretty pictures or videos to see, like in mobile app stores) BUT you can select your application and try using the “get screenshot” button to… well, try to get a screenshot of that application…

                3- Use cli-aptiX :

                If you are not afraid to use the keyboard and are not deterred by a general interface that basically remains unchanged for decades, open a terminal and run cli-aptix
                It’s a gem! It’s as friendly as a keyboard only application can be: it offers to automatically update the database of system files (perform a apt update), and then allows you to install applications, either terminal or GUI, has a huge curated list of applications, and allows the user to search by application name or description!
                Pros: ease of use, excellent list of curated software, allows user to search for and install applications from the Debian Repositories
                Cons: terminal only, no mouse input

                4- Use Appimages :

                It’s a “universal” application format this means it’s meant to run in almost any Linux system [there are some “universal” formats, but the most well known are Snaps, Flatpaks and Appimages].
                Simply download the file, make it executable and run it (example: Open SpaceFm, navigate to where your Appimage is, right click it – Properties – Permitions – Make sure that the executable field is checked. You only have to do this once. Then every time you want to run the application simply right click it choose the option to run it).
                No installation needed!
                There are on-line Appimages application stores – this makes it easy to search for what you want. they have descriptions of the applications and usually a screenshot.
                Good places to find Appimage applications:
                https://appimage.github.io/ (it has almost 1000 applications at this time)
                https://www.appimagehub.com/ (it has almost 700 applications at this time)
                Some software applications “vendors”, like the LibreOffice webpage, offer Appimage versions of their applications directly.
                Pros: one application, one file. If you want to remove the application, just delete the file. Can’t harm your system. The worst it can happen is that the application needs some dependency that’s not available and refuses to run.
                Cons: you have to manually make the Appimage file executable once you download it – this can be boring but it’s a security feature and only has to be done once for each Appimage file! Some Appimages do not offer to automatically get added to the menu. Some Appimages to no warn of upgrades. Can be hard to make files automatically run with a Appimage application (easily solvable file association problems)
                Appimages can be huge (because they pack almost everything they need to run) and a bit slower starting, particularly on low powered machines (because they have to be unpacked. If that’s a problem for you, you can extract any appimage and simply run the application directly).

                5- Use Flatpaks :

                It’s another universal application format.
                First you need to install the flatpak application itself, then you can install applications packaged in flatpak format. You download a tiny flatpak file for the application you want and then you have to install it – flatpak connects to the server and downloads the needed files.
                There are some on-line flatpak “application stores” too.
                Where to find flatpak applications:
                https://flathub.org/home
                Pros: on the user side, you only need to install a single file. Can’t harm your system, the worst that can happen is that the application can’t run.
                Cons: at first run flatpak needs to install many hundreds of Mb of dependencies, and only then you can install applications in flatpak format.
                there are some integration problems with flatpak applications (example: they sometimes don’t match with system decorations, etc).
                It can be a bit tricky knowing how to run apps that are not added to the menu.

                6- Manually install files:

                6.1- “.run” applications or compressed binaries (like “.tar.bz”):

                Some software is available as compressed binaries like “.tar.bz” – just uncompress it and run the executable file.
                You can get the most recent Mozilla FireFox version in this format.
                Pros: safe to use, can’t, as far as I know, break your system (but can perform, as any software, malicious actions).
                Easy and safe to uninstall- simple delete the uncompressed files!
                Cons: you have to manually setup menu entries and file associations.

                “.run” applications – almost the same as above, but automatically install everything the application need to run once you execute this kind of “installer”.
                Some device drivers come in this format.
                Cons: as far as I know this can break your system. Try to install only files you know are safe (this is a univerally good advice).

                6.2- .deb files :

                “.deb” files are the packages that Debian, and Debian based distros use to install software. They work almost like “.msi” files available for MS Windows.
                Synaptic and package installer simply automate the process of installing .deb files for you.
                Manually installing these files can harm your system and make it unable to run. Do not try to use Ubuntu PPA’s! Do not try to use software that needs systemd – those probably won’t work with antiX and can harm your System.
                Do you need a particular software unavailable in Package Installer or Synatic?- Ask in the forum, so the Development team tries to add it to antiX and wait for a reply.
                That said, you can install thousands of .deb files in antiX!
                Simply download the .deb file you want and, using your file manager, open the folder where you saved it. If you don’t already have a Terminal window open, go to the antiX Menu > Terminal. In the terminal type (or copy and paste) the following command (make sure to add a space after it and do not press enter!):

                sudo apt install

                …and then drag the .deb file to the terminal (the full path to your .deb file should appear, between single quotation marks, after “sudo apt install “). Press the enter key to begin the installation. If asked to, enter your password. If asked anything else, pressing enter again accepts the default answer (since the most asked question is if you want to continue or if you want to overwrite or keep old files, usually the default answer is “yes”).
                When the installation is finished you can close the terminal.

                Tip 1: You can also drag and drop multiple files to the terminal, to install more than one .deb package.

                Tip 2: If you have the package ft10-transformation installed in your system, it includes debinstaller, a GUI for the “apt install” command. You can right click any .deb package on zzzfm and select the option Open > Open With > “All apps” Tab – Debinstaller. You can also make this the default application to open .deb files, on a checkbox near the bottom of the window.

                P.S.- until version 21 came out, older versions included a GUI application to install .deb packages, called gdebi – but that application sometimes does not work correctly, so it’s safer to use the apt command directly in the terminal”

                Software from the Debian.org is as safe to install as it can be (as long as it does not depend on systemd). Open your web browser to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ and select the application you want – they are organized into categories.
                Note: If a application is in debian.org, probably it’s better to install the very same application from Synaptic- it takes care of everything for you and avoids any complication.
                debian.org is not a web site filled with eye candy, but it has many, many application screen shots available. click the name of the application you want. On the upper right corner you’ll probably see a clickable thumbnail of the application, if one is available.
                Pros: Sometimes there are .deb applications that run fine in antiX but are not officially available.
                Cons: you have to find the file you want and install it yourself. You may have to hunt down and manually install all the dependencies your application needs to run. This can often lead to what is know as “dependency hell”- you keep installing dependencies, that need other dependencies to run, that need other dependencies to run…
                Can break your system!!!

                7- Use Windows applications :

                Windows software does not run in Linux but, you can try using a compatibility layer to try to run it – it’s called WINE. There are thousands of windows applications that run in Linux, some even faster than they run in Windows itself!
                – Install Wine (for example, using Package Installer) and then click your windows executable file to try to run it via WINE.
                A more compatible, but slower option to legally run windows applications, is downloading a free MS Windows virtual machine and using it to run that particular option in antiX. This takes a lot of storage space and is slow. Low powered computers probably can’t even run a MS Windows virtual machine due to CPU and RAM constraints.

                8- Play Windows Steam Games :

                Last time I checked there were over 5000 games available in STEAM that run in Linux.
                – Install Steam (for example, using Package Installer) and activate Proton in your Steam client and just install any compatible game!
                Cons: well, if your computer is so low powered that you choose to install antiX to make it usable, there aren’t many Steam games that can run confortably in your system. If you have a new(ish) computer, you’r probably ok.

                9 – Compile applications from the source code :

                If you don’t even know what this means, don’t even try it.

                10 – Run old DOS applications:

                They run out of the box in antiX- DosBox has that covered- if you don’t know to use it, search on-line for help… It’s pretty intuitive.
                PROS: very nearly 100% compatibility rate.

                11- Run On-line applications :

                General rule of thumb- if a web application runs, it runs well in Linux (probably it’s even housed in a server that runs Linux too).
                You can use any Google service, Youtube, LYBR, Microsoft Office 365 on-line, Netflix, etc. It’s one of the of the benefits of having Web standards (you may need to run the web application in a particular browser, like for example- the browser needs to support DRM to enable some video streaming, like Netflix and HBO)…
                CONS: I believe that at the present time video acceleration still does not work in Linux browsers out of the box. If you have a low powered CPU, video decoding or 3d video can slow to a crawl, because your system isn’t using any GPU processing power).

                12- Run applications using emulators :

                On antiX you can play, for example PlayStation 2 disks using a emulator, or arcade games using MAME. There’s also a free Windows 95 emulator for Linux (with dubious legal status).

                Applications that DO NOT RUN in antiX:

                – Generally speaking Windows applications, and applications made for other OS’s (like MacOS, android, etc). A different subject is applications that have cross platform versions (i.e. have different versions, available for Windows and Linux – like LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and VLC )
                – applications packaged in a package format other than “.deb” or any universal application file format (there are more that appimage and flatpak)
                – Snaps are unable to be installed in antiX because they depend on systemd, that is not present in antiX (you may run MX-Linux and choose to use systemd at the boot process for these applications).

                To finish up:

                There are many on-line sites that you can use to search for Linux applications. My personal favourite is:
                https://www.pling.com/
                It has many appimages available, it offers a appimage of the store web application, very handy to use.
                Also App Outlet has a appimage “Store” available, that shows appimage and flatpak applications, that you can then download to your computer and use.

                [Note: the original post disappeared- this is it’s updated version]

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                #32908
                Member
                PPC

                  This entry has been marked spam or hidden multiple times. Send mailto masinick AT yahoo DOT com if it happens again. Thanks!

                  How to install applications/software on antiX (2020 version):
                  EDITED. Gdebi is not included in antiX 21 and not a recommendation.

                  You have recently found out about Linux or antiX in particular and you want to know how to install new software?

                  As almost everything in Linux in general and antiX in particular, there’s many ways to do stuff.

                  1- Use “Package Installer” ( available in: Menu – Control Centre – System tab):

                  It’s like a small “antiX app store” – it has a list of over a hundred of the most installed software applications, divided into categories, searchable by application name (but not discription) – almost any browser you can think of, WINE, Steam, Java, VLC, language packages, are all installable from there, using a single click- the user usually does not have to interact with the terminal. A terminal black window pops up and closes automatically after the install process finishes. Usually if there’s any kind of question the user has to answer during the install process, simply press one of the keys the window shows in order to proceed (the “enter” key usually accepts the default answer).
                  Note: During some particular installations (like Virtualbox) the user needs to accept some kind of License Agreement that appears on that window- use the “tab” key highlights the correct option and accept it by pressing the “enter” key)
                  Pros: easy to use, makes many general use applications installable with a single click.
                  Cons: newbies may find the interface a bit spartan, without icons or screen shots.

                  2- Use Synaptic package manager ( also available, among other places, in: menu – Control Centre – System tab ):

                  This is a very powerful application that allows you to install and manage any software application available from the Debian repositories- there are many tens of thousands available.
                  A repository is a collection of software packages for a Linux distribution. antiX is based in Debian, so it uses the Debian repositories and it’s own antiX repository.
                  – To search for a application click to magnifying glass icon on the upper right side of the window (you can search for the application name or it’s description -ex: “vlc” or “media player”).
                  – A small search window pops up – enter the application (package) you want to search there and press the magnifying glass icon available on that window
                  – Wait a few moments for Synaptic to show you the results of the search- they are presented on the right hand side of the main window. If you have to, scroll down the results of your search, until you find the application(s) you want to install- you can install more than one application or package at the same time.
                  – Right click the file(s) you want to install and select “Mark for installation”. If that file needs to some other files in order to run, Synaptic will tell you exactly what else needs to be installed and offers to install those files. If that happens you have to explicitly click the “mark” those extra files in order to continue the install process.
                  – Once you selected everything you want to install, click the “Gears” icon (Apply) on the top of Synaptic’s window. A confirmation pop up window will inform you exactly how many files will be downloaded, their size what the space they will use on your hard drive after installation. Click the “Apply” button and wait for the installation to finish. The new application appear automatically on the menu.

                  Pros: many thousands of applications available. Does not require using the terminal at all. Installs probably anything you may need. Safe to user, does not in any way harm your system.
                  Cons: can be a bit overwhelming to new users because it does not only show applications but their dependencies, and also fonts, drivers, etc. Does not automatically show any graphical previews of the applications ( no pretty pictures or videos to see, like in mobile app stores) BUT you can select your application and try using the “get screenshot” button to… well, try to get a screenshot of that application…

                  3- Use cli-aptiX :

                  If you are not afraid to use the keyboard and are not deterred by a general interface that basicaly remains unchaged for decades, open a terminal and run cli-aptiX
                  It’s a gem! It’s as friendly as a keyboard only application can be: it offers to automaticaly update the database of system files (perform a apt update), and then allows you to install applications, either terminal or GUI, has a huge curated list of applications, and allows the user to search by application name or description!
                  Pros: ease of use, excellent list of curated software, allows user to search for and install applications from the Debian Repositories
                  Cons: terminal only, no mouse input

                  4- Use Appimages :

                  It’s a “universal” application format this means it’s meant to run in almost any Linux system [there are some “universal” formats, but the most well known are Snaps, Flatpaks and Appimages].
                  Simply download the file, make it executable and run it (example: Open SpaceFm, navigate to where your Appimage is, right click it – Properties – Permissions – Make sure that the executable field is checked. You only have to do this once. Then every time you want to run the application simply right click it choose the option to run it).
                  No installation needed!
                  There are on-line Appimages application stores – this makes it easy to search for what you want. they have descriptions of the applications and usually a screenshot.
                  Good places to find Appimage applications:
                  https://appimage.github.io/ (it has almost 1000 applications at this time)
                  https://www.appimagehub.com/ (it has almost 700 applications at this time)
                  Some software applications “vendors”, like the LibreOffice webpage, offer Appimage versions of their applications directly.
                  Pros: one application, one file. If you want to remove the application, just delete the file. Can’t harm your system. The worst it can happen is that the application needs some dependency that’s not available and refuses to run.
                  Cons: you have to manually make the Appimage file executable once you download it – this can be boring but it’s a security feature and only has to be done once for each Appimage file! Some Appimages do not offer to automatically get added to the menu. Some Appimages to no warn of upgrades. Can be hard to make files automatically run with a Appimage application (easily solvable file association problems)
                  Appimages can be huge (because they pack almost everything they need to run) and a bit slower starting, particularly on low powered machines (because they have to be unpacked. If that’s a problem for you, you can extract any Appimage and simply run the application directly).

                  5- Use Flatpaks :

                  It’s another universal application format.
                  First you need to install the flatpak application itself, then you can install applications packaged in flatpak format. If you download a flatpak file for the application you want, it’s a tiny file. You then can run flatpak to install it – it connects to the server and downloads the needed files.
                  There are some on-line flatpak “application stores” too.
                  Where to find flatpak applications:
                  https://flathub.org/home
                  Pros: on the user side, you only need to install a single file. Can’t harm your system, the worst that can happen is that the application can’t run.
                  Cons: at first run flatpak needs to install many hundreds of Mb of dependencies, and only then you can install applications in flatpak format.
                  there are some integration problems with flatpak applications (example: they sometimes don’t match with system decorations, etc).
                  It can be a bit tricky knowing how to run apps that are not added to the menu.

                  6- Manually install files :

                  6.1- “.run” applications or compressed binaries (like “.tar.bz”):

                  Some software is available as compressed binaries like “.tar.bz” – just uncompress it and run the executable file.
                  You can get the most recent Mozilla FireFox version in this format.
                  Pros: safe to use, can’t, as far as I know, break your system (but can perform, as any software, malicious actions).
                  Easy and safe to uninstall- simple delete the uncompressed files!
                  Cons: you have to manually setup menu entries and file associations.

                  “.run” applications – almost the same as above, but automaticaly install everything the application need to run once you execute this kind of “installer”.
                  Some device drivers come in this format.
                  Cons: as far as I know this can break your system. Try to install only files you know are safe (this is a univerally good advice).

                  6.2- .deb files :

                  “.deb” files are the packages that Debian, and Debian based distros use to install software. They work almost like “.msi” files available for MS Windows.
                  Synaptic and package installer simply automate the process of installing .deb files for you.
                  Manually installing these files can harm your system and make it unable to run. Do not try to use Ubuntu PPA’s! Do not try to use software that needs systemd – those probably won’t work with antiX and can harm your System.
                  Do you need a particular software unavailable in Package Installer or Synatic?- Ask in the forum, so the Development team tries to add it to antiX and wait for a reply.
                  That said, you can install thousands of .deb files in antiX! Simply download the file you want and open it in a file manager- a application called gdebi will try to install that file, or you can install it using the terminal.”

                  “Simply download the .deb file you want and, using your file manager, open the folder where you saved it. If you don’t already have a Terminal window open, go to the antiX Menu > Terminal. In the terminal type (or copy and paste) the following command (make sure to add a space after it and do not press enter!):

                  sudo apt install

                  …and then drag the .deb file to the terminal (the full path to your .deb file should appear, between single quotation marks, after “sudo apt install “). Press the enter key to begin the installation. If asked to, enter your password. If asked anything else, pressing enter again accepts the default answer (since the most asked question is if you want to continue or if you want to overwrite or keep old files, usually the default answer is “yes”).
                  When the installation is finished you can close the terminal.

                  Tip 1: You can also drag and drop multiple files to the terminal, to install more than one .deb package.

                  Tip 2: If you have the package ft10-transformation installed in your system, it includes debinstaller, a GUI for the “apt install” command. You can right click any .deb package on zzzfm and select the option Open > Open With > “All apps” Tab – Debinstaller. You can also make this the default application to open .deb files, on a checkbox near the bottom of the window.

                  P.S.- until version 21 came out, older versions included a GUI application to install .deb packages, called gdebi – but that application sometimes does not work correctly, so it’s safer to use the apt command directly in the terminal”

                  Software from the Debian.org is as safe to install as it can be (as long as it does not depend on systemd). Open your web browser to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ and select the application you want – they are organized into categories.
                  Note: If a application is in debian.org, probably it’s better to install the very same application from Synaptic- it takes care of everything for you and avoids any complication.
                  Pros: debian.org is not a web site filled with eye candy, but it has many, many application screen shots availble. click the name of the application you want. On the upper right corner you’ll probably see a clickable thumbnail of the application, if one is available.
                  Sometimes there are .deb applications that run fine in antiX but are not officially available.
                  Cons: you have to find the file you want and install it yourself. You may have to hunt down and manually install all the dependencies your application needs to run. This can often lead to what is know as “dependency hell”- you keep installing dependencies, that need other dependencies to run, that need other depencies to run…
                  Can break your system!!!

                  7- Use Windows applications :

                  Windows software does not run in Linux but, you can try using a compatibly layer to try to run it – it’s called WINE, and it’s a handy application to always have installed. There are thousands of windows applications that run in Wine, some even faster than they run in Windows itself!
                  A more compatible, but slower option to legally run windows applications, is downloading a free MS Windows virtual machine and using it to run that particular option in antiX. This takes a lot of storage space and is slow. Low powered computers probably can’t even run a MS Windows virtual machine due to CPU and RAM constraints.

                  8- Play Windows Steam Games :

                  Last time I checked https://www.protondb.com/ there were about 6500 games available in STEAM that run in Linux. Activate Proton in your Steam client and just install any compatible game!
                  Cons: If your computer is so low powered that you choose to install antiX to make it usable, there aren’t many Steam games that can run comfortably in your system. If you have a new(ish) computer, you’re probably ok.

                  9 – Compile applications from the source code :

                  If you don’t even know what this means, don’t even try it.

                  10 – Run old DOS applications :

                  They run out of the box in antiX- DosBox has that covered- if you don’t know to use it, search on-line for help… It’s pretty intuitive.
                  PROS: very nearly 100% compatibility rate.

                  11- Run On-line applications :

                  General rule of thumb- if a web application runs, it runs well in Linux (probably it’s even housed in a server that runs Linux too).
                  You can use any Google service, Youtube, LYBR, Microsoft Office 365 on-line, Netflix, etc. It’s one of the of the benefits of having Web standards (you may need to run the web application in a particular browser, like for example- the browser needs to support DRM to enable some video streaming, like Netflix and HBO)…
                  CONS: I believe that at the present time video acceleration still does not work in Linux browsers out of the box. If you have a low powered CPU, video decoding or 3d video can slow to a crawl, because your system isn’t using any GPU processing power).

                  12- Run applications using emulators :

                  On antiX you can play, for example PlayStation 2 disks using a emulator. There’s also a free Windows 95 emulator for Linux (with dubious legal status).

                  Applications that DO NOT RUN in antiX:

                  – Generally speaking Windows applications or applications made for other OS’s (like MacOS, android, etc). A different subject is applications that have cross platform versions (i.e. have different versions, available for Windows and Linux – like Google Chrome/Chromium, LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird and VLC )
                  – Applications packaged in a package format other than “.deb” or any universal application file format (there are more than appimage and flatpak)
                  – Snaps are unable to be installed in antiX because they depend on systemd, that is not present in antiX (you may run MX-Linux and choose to use systemd at the boot process for these applications).

                  To finish up:

                  There are many on-line sites that you can use to search for Linux applications. My personal favorite is:
                  https://www.pling.com/
                  It has many Appimages available, it offers a Appimage of the store web application, very handy to use.
                  Also App Outlet has a Appimage “Store” available, that shows Appimage and flatpak applications, that you can then download to your computer and use.

                  This “how to” is meant for newbies. More advanced users can, of course install software using the terminal ( the “apt install” command)

                  P.

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                    How to install applications/software on antiX (2020 version):

                    You have recently found out about Linux or antiX in particular and you want to know how to install new software?

                    As almost everything in Linux in general and antiX in particular, there’s many ways to do stuff.

                    1- Use “Package Installer” ( Menu – Control Centre – System tab):
                    It’s like a small “antiX app store” – it has a list of over a hundred of the most installed software applications, divided into categories, searchable by application name (but not discription) – almost any browser you can think of, WINE, Steam, Java, VLC, language packages, are all instalable from there, using a single click- the user does not even get to see the many times dread terminal.

                    2- Use Synaptic package manager ( also available, among other places, in menu – Control Centre – System tab ):
                    Ok, this is a very powerfull application that allows you to install and manage any software application available from the Debian repositories- there are many tens of thousands available.
                    Use the search field on the upper right corner of the window to find the application you want- you can search by application name or description (ex: you can search by “VLC” or by “media player”). Select the application you want to install, Synaptic also installs any dependencies (files the application needs to run) and informs you of every thing it’s going to happen: how many files will be downloaded, the total download size, how much disk space it’s going to take). Confirm you want to install the selected files and wait a bit. The applications appear on the menu, ready to use, after the install process finishes.
                    Pros: many thousands of applications available. Does not require using the terminal at all. Installs probably anything you may need. Safe to user, does not in any way harm your system.
                    Cons: can be a bit overwellming to new users because it does not only show applications but their dependencies, and also fonts, drivers, etc. Does not automatically show any graphical previews of the applications ( no pretty pictures or videos to see, like, in mobile app stores) BUT you can select your application and try using the “get screenshot” button to… well, try to get a screenshot of that application…

                    3- Use cli-aptiX :
                    If you are not afraid to use the keyboard and are not detered by a interface that basicaly remains unchaged for decades, open a terminal and run cli-aptiX
                    It’s a gem! It’s as friendly as a keyboard only application can be: it offers to automaticaly update the database of system files (perform a apt update), and then allows you to install applications, for terminal or GUI, has a huge curated list of applications, and allows the user to search by application name or description!

                    4- Use Appimages :
                    It’s a universal application format- it’s meant to run in almost any Linux system- no installation needed!
                    There are on-line appimages application stores – this makes it easy to search for what you want. they have descriptions of the applications and usually a screenshot.
                    Good places to find appimage applications:
                    https://appimage.github.io/ (it has almost 1000 applications at this time)
                    https://www.appimagehub.com/ (it has almost 700 applications at this time)
                    Some software applications, like LibreOffice offer Appimage versions.

                    Pros: one application, one file. If you want to remove the application, just delete the file. Can’t harm your system. The worst it can happen is that the application needs some dependecy that’s not availbale and refuses to run.
                    Cons: you have to manually make it executable once you download the appimage – this can be boring but it’s a security feature and only has to be done once for each appimage file! Some appimages do not offer to automaticaly get added to the menu. Some appimages to no warn of upgrades. Can be hard to make files automaticaly run with a appimage application (easily solvable file association problems)
                    Appimages can be huge (because they pack almost everything they need to run) and a bit slower starting, particulary on low powered machines (because they have to be unpacked).

                    5- Use Flatpak :
                    It’s another universal application format.
                    First you need to install the flatpak application itself, then you can install applications packaged in flatpak format. You download the flatpak file for the application you want and then you have to install it.
                    There are some on-line flatpak application stores too.
                    Where to find flatpak applications:
                    https://flathub.org/home
                    Pros: on the user side, you only need to install a single file. Can’t harm your system, the worst that can happen is that the application can’t run.
                    Cons: at first flatpak needs to install many hundreds of Mb of dependencies, and only then you can install applications in flatpak format.
                    there are some integration problems with flatpak applications (exemple: they sometimes don’t match with system decorations, etc).

                    6- Manually install files:

                    6.1- .run applications or compressed binaries (.tar.bz):

                    Some software is available as compressed binaries like .tar.bz – just uncompress it and run the executable file.
                    You can get the most recent Mozilla FireFox version in this format.
                    Pros: safe to use, can’t, as far as I know, break your system (but can perform, as any software, malicious actions).
                    Easy and safe to uninstall- simple delete the uncompressed files!
                    Cons: you have to manually setup menu entries and file associations.

                    .run applications – almost the same as above, but automaticaly install everything.
                    Some device drivers come in this format.
                    Cons: as far as I know this can break your system. Try to install only files you know are safe (this is a univerally good advice).

                    6.2- .deb files :

                    “.deb” files are the packages that Debian, and Debian based distros use to install software. They work almost like “.msi” files available for MS Windows.
                    Synaptic and package installer simply automate the process of installing .deb files for you.
                    Manually installing these files can harm your system and make it unable to run. Do not try to use Ubuntu PPA’s! Do not try to use software that needs systemd – those probably won’t work with antiX and can harm your System.
                    Do you need a particular software unavailable in Packahe Installer or Synatic?- Ask in the forum, so the Development team tries to add it to antiX and wait for a reply.
                    That said, you can install thousands of .deb files in antiX! Simply download the file you want and open it in a file manager- a application called gdebi will try to install that file, or you can install it using the terminal.
                    Software from the Debian.org is as safe to install as it can be (as long as it does not depend on systemd). Open your web browser to https://packages.debian.org/stable/ and select the application you want – they are organized into categories.
                    Note: If a application is in debian.org, probably it’s better to install the very same application from Synaptic- it takes care of everything for you and avoids any complication.
                    Pros: debian.org is not a web site filled with eye candy, but it has many, many application screen shots availble. click the name of the application you want. On the upper right corner you’ll probably see a clickable thumbnail of the application, if one is available.
                    Sometimes there are .deb applications that run fine in antiX but are not officially available.
                    Cons: you have to find the file you want and install it yourself. You may have to hunt down and manually install all the dependencies your application needs to run. This can often lead to what is know as “dependency hell”- you keep installing dependencies, that need other depencies to run, that need other depencies to run…
                    Can break your system!!!

                    7- Windows applications :

                    Windows software does not run in Linux but, you can try using a compatibily layer to try to run it – it’s called WINE. There are thousands of windows applications that run in Linux, some even faster than they run in Windows it self!
                    A slower option to legally run windows applications is downloading a windows virtual machine and using it to run that particular option in antiX. This takes a lot of storage space and is slow. Low powered computers probably can’t even run a MS Windows virtual machine.

                    8- Windows Games :

                    There are over 5000 games available in STEAM that run in Linux. Activate Proton in your Steam client and just install any compatible game!
                    Cons: well, if your computer is so low powered that you choose to install antiX to make it usable, there aren’t many Steam games that can run confartably in your system. If you have a new(ish) computer, your’s probably safe

                    9- Old DOS applications:

                    They run out of the box in antiX- DosBox has that covered- if you don’t know to use it, search on-line for help… It’s pretty intuitive.
                    PROS: very nearly 100% compatibility rate.

                    10- On-line applications :

                    General rule of thumb- if a web application runs, it runs well in Linux (probably it’s even housed in a server that runs Linux too).
                    You can use any Google service, Youtube, LYBR, Microsoft Office 365 on-line, Netflix, etc. It’s one of the of the benificts of having Web standarts (you may need to run the web application in a particular browser, like for example- the browser needs to support DRM to enable some video streamming, like Netflix and HBO)…
                    CONS: I believe that at the present time video acceleration still does not work in Linux browsers out of the box. If you have a low powered CPU, video decoding or 3d video can slow to a crawl, because your system isn’t using any GPU processing power).

                    What applications do not run in antiX:

                    -Generally speaking Windows applications, and applications made for other OS’s (like MacOS, android, etc).
                    – applications packaged in a package format other than “.deb” or any universal application file format (there are more that appimage and flatpak)
                    – Snaps are unable to be installed in antiX because they depend on systemd, that is not present in antiX (you may run MX-Linux and choose to use systemd at the boot process for these applications).

                    To finish up:
                    There are many on-line sites that you can use to search for Linux applications. My personal favourite is:
                    https://www.pling.com/
                    it has many appimages available, it offers a appimage of the store web application, very handy to use.
                    Also App Outlet has a appimage Store available, that shows appimage and flatpak applications.

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                      I am truly on board with another way of using technology to get things done besides MicroSoft. I’ve been avoiding the establishment search engines, browsers, mainstream software, etc. for years.
                      We’ve gotten to this point due to having an older desktop lock up from a corrupt MBR issue I figured out this week. The research educated me on Linux and the lower resource OS’s like AntiX. I’ve learned to correct boot issues (thx Hirem’s BD), Wipe HDD’s, install OS’s, create and rename partitions, make bootable USB’s for installing ISO’s, and…. ok, it’s been an educating week!

                      I love AntiX with the Live USB experience I had yesterday. I look forward to installing it on my wife’s laptop that is painfully slow and old’er. I also want to add it to my Desktop as a 3rd OS to run my music recording as the machine is the center of a home studio. (lower resources to run giving more for room automation)
                      BUT….. for the life of me I cannot get the installed hard drive copy of AntiX to boot with the way I have loaded other systems. I’ve used grub2win for the ease of use and can run Bohdi through the multi bootloader screen. I’ve learned to add to the grub2win boot menu selecting, for example, Ubuntu as the format for Lubuntu. I select Dorian type for AntiX and the correct partition for booting, but no luck.

                      If there’s an easier workaround I’d like some benevolent help. I understand there’s much more info to include here but not one to pile on from the start.

                      1to1 thing? or….

                      Thanks for your consideration.

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                        Suggestions:

                        1- For general system use:
                        – dunst – allows system notifications (I usually don’t run it, but it can be handy)
                        – Flatpak (many users don’t like universal application packages- like flatpak and appimage – but they are a really good and safe way to run applications without risking ending up with a frankendebian system)- note that I have flatpak installed, but never needed to install a flatpak application, I favour appimage myself… – and I mean just having flatpak available (also file association so, when the user downloads a flatpak file, it installs with a double click?), not a flatpak tab with it’s apps, like MX linux has…
                        – masterpdfeditor (both the older more feature rich version and the most recent fremium edition, like MX has) . a very good PDF editor.
                        – Foxit reader- also not Open Source but, as far as I know, the best and easiest way to annotate ( i.e. underline) PDF files on Linux.
                        – Joplin – open source note taking and to-do application, compatible with Evernote files
                        – scrcpy and guiscrcpy – to mirror android devices in Linux
                        – DeaDBeeF music player- terrible name but also a incredible light music player, controlable from the cli
                        – Notepadqq – Notepad++-like editor for the Linux desktop

                        2- For Gamming:
                        – Lutris – (since Steam is also available in package installer)
                        – Scumm
                        Adding some more casual games could also be a good idea, like Frozen Bubble, TORCS

                        3- For Professional (multimedia, etc) use:
                        – Every single application listed in https://github.com/AppImage/AppImageKit/wiki/Libre-Graphics-Suite, that’s not already included in package installer, like (about half of these I never tried used, but this list covers just about any professional multimedia use):
                        – Krita
                        – Fontforge
                        – RawTherapee
                        – LMMS
                        – Synfig Studio, OpenToonz, Font matrix, FreeCAd,

                        4 – Really, really very used (even proprietary) applications (note: that I don’t use myself, but many users could need):
                        – Skype
                        – Wrappers to very popular Microsoft applications, like Ms Office 365 (like https://github.com/matvelloso/electron-office/releases) and prospect-mail (it’s a wrapper for Microsoft Outlook 365 web version). I’m aware that his suggestion has debatable utility, but, like it or not MS Office is one of the most used software applications in the world – NOTE: I don’t even have an O365 account to test this with, but one question that worries newbies is “Can I run MS office in Linux?” – Saying “Yes, run it in a browser, if you really want to” may sound strange to those users)
                        – etc (nothing more comes to mind, Spotify and Dropbox are already available)

                        Other suggestions:

                        – Change Odrive -Open Drive’s description to say Google Drive (it’s as close to a free Google Drive application as it gets), to let users know what it does
                        – Put package installer’s icon on the default desktops, to increase it’s visibility to new users

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                          @masinick

                          All models before the Mac Plus, save one, had floppies only, no internal hard drive and no SCSI port for an external one. That is the original 128K, the 512K, and the 512Ke. Apple engineers made a Hard Disk SC, which was connected through the serial port, but you need a special boot floppy with drivers, so you had to boot from floppy, and the hard drive was mainly for applications and data. The exception was the Mac XL, a rebranded Lisa with a huge 10Mb HD and Mac OS emulation, because while the Mac and Lisa share CPU and many other parts, the Lisa lacks the Mac Toolbox in ROM, which is critical to run MacOS. The Plus also had no internal HD, that arrived with the second revision SE (not SE/30 that was later), but it had room for 4Mb RAM and a SCSI port!

                          Very complete reference, for all Macs up to today: (This is the section for the oldest models, but there are links to the rest)
                          https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_classic/index-vintage-classic-macs.html

                          I’m thinking when you say portable maybe it was one of those. It had everything but keyboard and mouse in the case, monitor, motherboard, power supply, floppy. And the case had a built in handle, was compact, and was a featherweight at 16 lbs. Remember how much bigger and heavier other computers of similar vintage were?

                          Yes, you are remembering OS X 1.0, aka Rhapsody, which is indeed derived from NeXTStep/OpenStep. I used both Macs and NeXTs then, so know lots about how they are related.
                          http://rhapsodyos.org/
                          Where Rhapsody ends, OS X 10.0 begins.
                          Yes, when I installed 10.0, so it would crash less, most of the day to day software (Word, Photoshop, almost everything) still required OS 9. It took Adobe 2 years after the release of OS X to make Photoshop Carbon. Not OS X native, that took another 5, Carbon was a OS 9 and X backwards compatible API, so it could run in either, and no longer required OS 9! And they had insider builds at least a year before it was sold. Lazy bums.

                          There was a PowerPC Mac server (so Apple hardware) that ran only IBM AIX, no Mac OS:
                          https://everymac.com/systems/apple/network_server/index-network-server.html

                          The Lisa was designed in house at Apple, by engineers Jobs hired from Xerox (today they say poached, he offered them more pay, benefits, or more exciting projects than Xerox). He also signed a deal with Xerox to buy the intelectual property, the ideas they invented but did not sell to the mass market, so he was free to do so himself with no threat of lawsuits. If anyone says Microsoft was justified to steal the Mac OS look and feel, which they had insider knowledge of before it shipped, because most of the early programming language packages published for the Mac, like basic, are theirs, and they demanded and got prerelease copies of the OS with source code (something John Sculley lived to regret!) and make the pale imitation Windows 1.0, because Apple stole from Xerox simply doesn’t have a clue, or is a Microsoft apologist writing revisionist history.

                          Here is windows 1.01:
                          https://www.pcjs.org/disks/pcx86/windows/1.01/

                          Not exactly good, considering they stole the concept of a GUI that looked better, and mangled it.
                          https://www.pcjs.org/disks/pcx86/windows/1.01/

                          Yes, anything Macintosh up to at least 2007, and NeXT, how to emulate them on modern OSes, plus large chunks of the history of Sun, SGI, even DEC to a lesser extent, I know, even if it happened decades before I used computers. Back to the original AT&T Unix, Kernighan and Ritchie, the first version of C, etc.

                          Sometime between 1982 and 1983 I was working in a group that was assessing new technology. I got my hands on many different brands of personal computer systems, small tower shaped servers, etc.

                          I can’t remember if I actually used a Lisa or not, but I did use at least one Mac portable and I distinctly remember that the model I used at the time didn’t get a hard drive so I would start it up using removable media.

                          Later I used an Apple Mac server and I ran an early version of what is now MacOS. If I remember correctly this system used a derivative of Steven Job’s “Next” computer software, one of the earliest and best graphical user interfaces available at that time.

                          Unfortunately the systems I was using were not very powerful so the GUI really slowed down the system and there really were not enough tools and applications yet to justify the system. Still, this stuff was cutting edge and in only a few years everyone was imitating it.

                          Without a doubt the IBM systems, whether the PC models or the servers, were clearly better built than the other small systems, but early IBM systems were not very fast. IBM was a bit late getting into the small systems space and even purchased both the initial hardware (Intel) and the initial software (Microsoft) before later building their own.

                          Same with their servers. The small ones were not particularly quick but they were the very first to bring improved security. I remember the original UNIX creators commenting that they didn’t build good security into their first design. IBM played an important role in the improvement of software security and actually helped bring Enterprise system security to the Linux kernel as well.

                          I’m much more appreciative of the contribution from IBM and other large system builders than I was early in my career. I used to consider their systems old and slow. A more mature comment is that the overhead their systems contain is a result of mature, well designed, developed and tested hardware and software. Such things may not be essential for all hobbyists, but they are crucial for any business that wants to protect it’s assets.

                          As for the Apple Lisa, it was a n excellent prototype. I believe it comes from Xerox technology that Apple licensed from Xerox.

                          Even though Xerox was never successful in marketing computer systems themselves, they invented a lot of the technology used in most modern systems today. AT&T, IBM, Xerox, General Electric, and Honeywell were the large companies that used to invent and patent a lot of ideas. Today the big companies buy the patent rights and license them to others but create a very small fraction of the patent inventions in their own labs, a major change in the way things happen, and perhaps a good thing. Individual ideas and inventions are always a good idea, even if it’s the big companies taking ownership. Individual people who want to keep their ideas still have the choice to do so.

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                            Sometime between 1982 and 1983 I was working in a group that was assessing new technology. I got my hands on many different brands of personal computer systems, small tower shaped servers, etc.

                            I can’t remember if I actually used a Lisa or not, but I did use at least one Mac portable and I distinctly remember that the model I used at the time didn’t get a hard drive so I would start it up using removable media.

                            Later I used an Apple Mac server and I ran an early version of what is now MacOS. If I remember correctly this system used a derivative of Steven Job’s “Next” computer software, one of the earliest and best graphical user interfaces available at that time.

                            Unfortunately the systems I was using were not very powerful so the GUI really slowed down the system and there really were not enough tools and applications yet to justify the system. Still, this stuff was cutting edge and in only a few years everyone was imitating it.

                            Without a doubt the IBM systems, whether the PC models or the servers, were clearly better built than the other small systems, but early IBM systems were not very fast. IBM was a bit late getting into the small systems space and even purchased both the initial hardware (Intel) and the initial software (Microsoft) before later building their own.

                            Same with their servers. The small ones were not particularly quick but they were the very first to bring improved security. I remember the original UNIX creators commenting that they didn’t build good security into their first design. IBM played an important role in the improvement of software security and actually helped bring Enterprise system security to the Linux kernel as well.

                            I’m much more appreciative of the contribution from IBM and other large system builders than I was early in my career. I used to consider their systems old and slow. A more mature comment is that the overhead their systems contain is a result of mature, well designed, developed and tested hardware and software. Such things may not be essential for all hobbyists, but they are crucial for any business that wants to protect it’s assets.

                            As for the Apple Lisa, it was a n excellent prototype. I believe it comes from Xerox technology that Apple licensed from Xerox.

                            Even though Xerox was never successful in marketing computer systems themselves, they invented a lot of the technology used in most modern systems today. AT&T, IBM, Xerox, General Electric, and Honeywell were the large companies that used to invent and patent a lot of ideas. Today the big companies buy the patent rights and license them to others but create a very small fraction of the patent inventions in their own labs, a major change in the way things happen, and perhaps a good thing. Individual ideas and inventions are always a good idea, even if it’s the big companies taking ownership. Individual people who want to keep their ideas still have the choice to do so.

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                              @seaken64

                              Yes, I like to post things like this for all to read also. Just trying to consider that the forum admins and other members may not think it is on topic, or at least not entirely. But my personal opinion, yes do share. It is said at least one prototype of the first Mac, or maybe the Lisa, which was not sold or mass produced, had 5.25 inch floppies. Also, there was a release of Xenix 68K for the Lisa. Yes that Xenix, Microsoft’s earliest foray into Unixland, years before Windows and about the same time as early MS-DOS. How trippy is that? A Mac (or Lisa its direct predecessor) with 5.25 floppy and a Microsoft Unix. If one still exists it must be worth more than the original list price, because it’s so rare.

                              Well, speaking for myself, I would prefer if you keep these conversations in the public forum. It’s part of our history. And yes, fascinating!

                              I saw the Lisa in a store front on the streets of Seattle somewhere around 1983? Maybe 84? I didn’t have a computer yet but I was looking at buying a VIC20. Quite a bit of difference between the two prices! Never did get the Commodore, but I once had a roommate who had a C64. And never had an Apple product until I found some at the dump one day.

                              The first time I actually got to have “my own” computer it was an old NorthStar Advantage from my father-in-laws attic. I used that for years, in CP/M and N* DOS, ZDOS, etc. Then that led to IBM DOS, MS-DOS, Windows and then to Linux.

                              Seaken64

                              Restore older computers to working order.
                              Computers everyone else insists are obsolete and useless.

                              Current recordholder:
                              Generic Pentium III 600 Mhz with 512Mb RAM and 10Gb HD
                              Working on Cyrix M2 333 Mhz with 64Mb RAM and OS on IDE to SD card 4Gb

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                              ModdIt

                                Ever wondered how the Scammer from India knew so much. Or how somebody got your credit card data and security code.

                                250 Million support datasets from Microsoft were open to all. Found by Comparitech and conformed.

                                10 Terabytes of data from the German car rental company Buchbinder were also open to all over Port 445
                                on a rented cloud server at PlusServer GmbH in Köln (Cologne). No passwords required.

                                Both holes reported closed. Until next time.

                                #31785
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                                VW

                                  The tech giant also announced £20m in investments to promote UK and Irish app developers on the new platform, as well as an further £20,000 to app makers uploading their projects to the Huawei App Gallery by 31 January.

                                  If you can code apps the rest is here

                                  “These are the times that try men's souls" - Thomas Paine

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