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September 22, 2019 at 5:31 pm #27399Member
olsztyn
Absolutely correct, exceppt… Mac OS can be easily installed on a USB and it‘ll run with all your applications on almost every other Mac unless we fall into „recycling“ category.
@Anonymous:
Yes, indeed. I see nothing materially incorrect in the examples you quote as mainstream top of the line applications used for professional use and that nothing comes sufficiently close to them in Linux world to offer a real world market competition. So as another example if you want an AutoCAD for architects and engineers in Linux world I am not aware of such.
However I just want to highlight the fact that in case of most common mainstream productivity applications, such as Excel, Word and Powerpoint, which are certainly used for ‘serious work’, most users using them never use or need to use their advanced functions. So e.g. my daughter studying at a medical university is just fine and actually prefers the Microsoft Online Office as she does never need sophisticated functions such as Pivot Tables. Extrapolating the fact that most users do not actually use advanced functions even if they use mainstream applications capable of them the conclusion is that you can effectively build a ‘mainstream serious work system’ based on Linux, such as antiX. Therefore it is no surprise that Peppermint Linux what is does as a distinguishing factor is to include ICE and Microsoft Online Office. As we can do the same on antiX, we are way ahead in building a productivity OS capable to run on just any hardware at hand. Granted, this would not satisfy the outlier user base who do need advanced functions of real top of the line applications, to your point…
As for my reference to antiX Live on USB as ‘on top of this’ advantage and your claim that it is not applicable to the user case since his objective was to install, I do not agree with your assessment for the reason that:
– If you can boot from USB you may be able to avoid the actual installation effort, which was successful anyway according to the user’s subsequent post.
– You can boot the same fully configured system, including mainstream productivity apps, such as Microsoft Online Office from the same tiny USB on any hardware at hand as hardware configuration is being detected during boot time in Live, vs. during install time.
In my experience in case of antiX there is a great advantage of Live configuration and Frugal, which makes actual install not too often actually required…
As far as your reference to Mac falling into ‘need to be recycled’ category, this actually proves a great advantage of antiX over Mac OS, as antiX supports hardware that is no longer supported by Apple, telling their users to recycle their laptops and buy new ones… I think this was the originator’s of this thread concern expressing willingness to use antiX to save his machine from ‘recycling’…- This reply was modified 3 years, 7 months ago by olsztyn.
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersSeptember 22, 2019 at 9:29 am #27381Memberolsztyn
It’s possible, but does it make sense? It doesn’t bring much.
With Linux you can’t really do any serious work.
Surfing the web works on both.You can do serious work on Linux too. Just use Microsoft Web Apps (Word, Excel, etc…) preferably by installing ICE to have seamless links or App links to WebApps from Google Chrome. Most Word or Excel users will not see a difference from real installed applications unless e.g. you need advanced features such as Pivot Tables.
On top of that the huge advantage of antiX for this productivity purpose is a great Live capability so you can carry your system on a little Cruzer Fit in your wallet…
Additional user-friendliness can be added by a more mainstream theme, such as recently proposed ‘Win10’ theme, but if currently provided in antiX ‘Win7’ lookalike themes can be made more aesthetic then could be fine too.Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersSeptember 22, 2019 at 2:54 am #27367Anonymous
You just have to understand it the proper way.
Linux is a server OS and Linux on a desktop is an illusion.
Linux is still alive because of a few ‘big players’ needing and developing it.
(Almost) Everything that’s good in Linux world is financed by Apple, Google, IBM, Microsoft, Oracle …
The rest of it consists of a hand full of barely usable applications and the big bunch of crap, made by some hobbyists.
The situation with systemd is not different. It’s not perfect, but it’s better.
September 19, 2019 at 5:33 pm #27308Memberolsztyn
having a icon for Chrome/Chromium/Ungoogled-Chromium available on the toolbar and also having links to MS Office web-apps (created using another tiny app- ICE- that allows web apps to run seamlessly) makes using even a 10 years old low powered single core CPU with antiX run about fast as – and with a similar user experience (that’s what I’m aiming at with this suggestion) to a medium range modern computer that’s only a couple of years old… at least to most users.
Although my opinion does not carry much weight as I am just a user of antiX but I am glad such idea came up. Although i did not go to the extent of looking for ways to create a ‘Windows 10 like interface’, as I have been sufficiently satisfied with the best one available in antiX (Space Fluxbox), I have managed to put together much of what you list:
– Important productivity apps: Microsoft Office Web apps (Exel, Word, etc…)
– Chrome (you need for some functions)
In my opinion the items you list are very important if antiX is to be used for any serious work, not just browsing.
Also I would like to add to the advantage of antiX vs. some other distros to be in made fully productive OS (In case someone points me to Peppermint for this) is that unmatched recognition of the importance of antiX Live USB and provision of wonderful tools for that… Putting this together with your list of important things to consider would make a true productivity OS that can be carried on USB key that can be booted on any laptop at hand and have all mainstream productivity tools in a matter of seconds (well may be a minute…)Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersAugust 25, 2019 at 3:56 am #26305Anonymous
You might also call it “black suitcasing” … 😉
then
Didn’t really come as surprise. 😉
August 17, 2019 at 6:15 am #25840In reply to: Got a "new to me" Wireless Multimedia Keyboard
ModeratorBobC
I think I was able to find a way to program all but 5 of the keys. The ones that produce no codes are My Favorites #1 thru #5.
These were the best sites
https://sourceforge.net/projects/keytouch/
http://www.pal-blog.de/linux/ubuntu-1404-trusty-mapping-usb-keyboards.html
https://hal.freedesktop.org/quirk/quirk-keymap-list.txt
$ lsusb Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub Bus 001 Device 004: ID 03eb:8a96 Atmel Corp. Bus 001 Device 003: ID 8087:0a2a Intel Corp. Bus 001 Device 002: ID 1bcf:2b8a Sunplus Innovation Technology Inc. Bus 001 Device 014: ID 045e:009d Microsoft Corp. Wireless Optical Desktop 3.0$ sudo getscancodes /dev/input/event18 Input driver version is 1.0.1 Input device ID: bus 0x3 vendor 0x45e product 0x9d version 0x111 Input device name: "Microsoft Microsoft Wireless Optical Desktop® 2.10" 786870 (0xc01b6) 786871 (0xc01b7) 786841 (0xc0199) 786844 (0xc019c)Therefore /etc/udev/hwdb.d/ms1011-keyboard.hwdb will contain:
keyboard:usb:v045ep009d*
KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc0183=media
KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc01b6=graphicseditor
KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc01b7=audio
KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc0199=messenger
KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc019c=exit`So I want to program those to runXF86Video - KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc0183=media XF86Pictures - KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc01b6=graphicseditor XF86Music - KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc01b7=audio XF86Messenger - KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc0199=messenger <code>XF86Logoff - KEYBOARD_KEY_0xc019c=exit</code> I tried adding a key to my keys file <code>key "graphicseditor" mtpaint</code> And save, and restart IceWM, then reset udev database: Testing a HWDB change Either reboot your computer to make your new configuration file active or run the udevadm command to update the internal database from your file and reload it into the running system: <code>$ sudo udevadm -d hwdb --update;sudo udevadm -d control --reload</code>I saw my changes were read at the end
Now unplug your USB keyboard, wait two or three seconds (or more) and plug it in again. Press the reconfigured key and you should get the action defined in the config file (I used mute for testing, because it’s a visible action in Ubuntu).
But it had no effect. I will try rebooting next…
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/reply/25840/edit/#
The reboot didn’t fix it. xev produces nothing on the My Pictures key instead of pressing the graphicseditor key and bringing up mtpaint.Any ideas?
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August 15, 2019 at 12:29 am #25778In reply to: Got a "new to me" Wireless Multimedia Keyboard
Anonymous
“It will be cool to press one obvious key and have the right program just pop up almost effortlessly.”
The unbearable lightness of being
(L’Insoutenable Légèreté de l’être / Milan Kundera)
Isn’t that something completely normal that you get things pop up effortlessly?
That’s why you’re using Microsoft Windows (TM) with fully functional software and a programmable keyboard.

Something like Microsoft Sidewinder X6 (TM) will do almost anything you want.
(It doesn’t make me coffee and brings it, so I don’t really get the most needed programmable function though.)
Image Gallery: Sidewinder Keyboard and Mice
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@masinick
“I consider the feel of most common keyboards to be “spongy”.”
That’s truth, but there are some “spongy” mechanical ones too and, there are also some hybrids, “half-mechanical” keyboars around.
Those are using “spongy” membrane technology underneath, but are having nice klicky feel because of well executed mechanics.
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@ile
“Have you ever helped someone with their computer to find that the markings are worn off the keys? all blank.”
Some people even pay extra, not to get any markings printed on their keyboards!

That’s what you get for a couple of hundreds …

(I heard that keycaps printing technique is so sophisticated that the letters never wear out.) 😉
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Since many years, still my favorite: Cherry G84-4100 mechanical mini keyboard.
August 5, 2019 at 4:36 pm #25385In reply to: From Windows to AntiX
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laristo
Thank you all for your kind greetings!
I am retired now and can use any system I want.I do some “c” programming for which I use code::blocks (instead of Microsoft).
Having thought to large classes in the past I replaced MS Power point by LibreOffice without any problems.
For office related work, the LibreOffice suite is more than adequate. Its capacity to convert easily to PDF is a definite plus!
I was using Thunderbird and Firefox for WOE so no change there.
To replace my 2D Auto-cad needs I presently use Q Cad free ($) edition.
I was an accomplished cmd batch file writer. I can now use bash and create same or better.I could go on but for now I would like to address a different issue.
First let me acknowledge the incredible work done by all the programmers who have contributed to make Linux such an workable system!
Now… It can’t all be praise.
The installation went without a hitch! Both live and hard disk installation was relatively easy. Then adapting it to my specific needs took much too much research on the Internet. I will describe the problem of all linux distros and their applications is- user
- help. Much help is provided for those who know very little for the user.
Most WOE users have little or no interest in the underlying system. They need to be able to use their tools and when or if they need help it needs to address this directly.
This being said I would never (never say never?) go back to WOE.
Linux allows me to continue to evolve in the computing environment within my very limited monetary means.
Wow. That will teach not to ask me a question… 😉
Best regards all hope to see again in the forums
Laristo
July 31, 2019 at 7:17 pm #25227In reply to: Any suggestions for antivirus programs?
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dgh
You’ll not wanna risk that your work stays unfinished because of a ‘junkputer’.
Computer is just a tool … a hammer, screwdriver …
You NEVER buy cheap tools.Haha, you are such an insufferable consumer shill– suddenly old computers are ‘junkputers’ and ‘cheap’. According to modern parlance, ‘cheap’ implies that a piece of electronics was poorly made. But if they are so poorly made, why do they operate this long? There are also security reasons for avoiding new(er) hardware (Intel Management Engine, etc) but that’s beside the point.
You imply that work can’t be done with old (in your terms ‘cheap’) computers, yet old, working computers are the only reason we have ‘extended service’ software models. Microsoft didn’t keep Win 2k and XP rolling for so long to suit a few ‘cheap’ hobbyists. They did it because corporations were still getting a gajillion $$$ of work done with their ‘antique’ systems, at a time when 64-bit adoption was well underway. Any level of persistence makes it cost-prohibitive to commit man-hours & down-time to nonessential upgrades. Businesses often run in-house software, which needs to work for as long as possible. 32-bit is going away like X server is going away; still gonna be quite a while til it’s actually gone– so cool your jets, Top Gun.
I’m trying to act as some kind of ‘(eye~) lid opener’ and trying to ‘rape’ the people into thinking about it and noticing things.
Trolls like you can’t get through a single thread without twisting topics to suit your agenda, but at least this time you came right out and admitted that you intend ‘to rape the people’.
July 31, 2019 at 3:15 am #25183In reply to: Linux and GitHub
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eugen-b
It this information becomes a requirement during registration, then some people will have to lie about it. That’s how it currently works with other restrictions.
I would like to not leave it unmentioned that I think that sanctions on GitHub and similar services which have a civilizing effect are counter-productive. People can learn there to interact peacefully with others, improve their skills and employment opportunities, thus become less likely to be recruited as mercenaries.
Github is probably a side effect from sanctions which should have banned the export of Microsoft products. I would plead to exclude Github and similar services from sanctions on commercial software products.July 31, 2019 at 2:54 am #25182Topic: Hello, I'm new
in forum Welcome to antiXMemberZiga
Hi everyone. My name is Zygmunt and I come from Poland. I’m 33 yo.
My experience with computers is – C64, and Amiga 500 in the 90′ (when i was a kid), Windows 95.
Since ~2002 untill now i was using Windows XP, but due the policies of google and microsoft (YouTube doesn’t work properly since there is no real Chrome for XP etc.) I had to figure out something alternative to use the Internet. So i’ve decided to check out Linux. I’ve had licked it a bit earlier (Mandriva? can’t even remember the distro 😉 ) to manage partitions etc.
My machine is old – athlon processor, radeon 9600, 4GB RAM (but the machine reads only 3,2GB). At least it has SATA2 🙂 Also I have a netbook ACER AOD270 (1GB RAM 🙁 and it’s so slooooow). That is why I decided to install AntiX on both of my machines.
At the moment I see myself as an “almost newbie”.
I think that would be all 🙂
Best regards to all of you good people 🙂July 19, 2019 at 2:17 am #24737Member
VW
Back in the days of Usenet Newsgroups people would openly discuss alleged backdoors in a certain companies software and how to stop them. You still have people like MVPS producing the Hosts file and and Steve Gibson producing various pieces of software, but the mainstream press usually completely ignore the topic, until the report that I posted and now this
Of course, in forums where people openly discuss how much they love the Google browser, discussing such internet security is a complete waste of time. I fully understand why you think this is not news, and all about rivers in Egypt.
Just rely on anti to keep patching the kernels.
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“These are the times that try men's souls" - Thomas Paine
July 15, 2019 at 2:11 pm #24516Member
Xecure
You would think that, being German, they would use Debian as a matter of course.
I must have missed a history class, as I thought Debian had an American origin (being the original creator a worker in Pixar), but they could be considered an international endeavor now.
Being German, they should have considered SUSE or their community child, openSUSE, as I believe they are distros with a German origin and backing.
More and more governments are moving away from outside telemetry and to linux (for more control). Microsoft et al will have to think carefully what they need to do if they don’t want to also lose the Big companies to Red Hat, Intel’s Clear Linux and other groups. The day Adobe announces they are also releasing their software on Linux will be a difficult day for Nadela (or whoever is the next CEO).
PS: Can a mod move this to kafeneio?
antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.July 15, 2019 at 9:12 am #24507Member
VW
Microsoft Office 365: Banned in German schools over privacy fears
State of Hesse says student and teacher information could be “exposed” to US spy agencies.
You would think that, being German, they would use Debian as a matter of course.
“These are the times that try men's souls" - Thomas Paine
July 13, 2019 at 1:07 am #24404In reply to: installation on a laptop with secureboot
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Xecure
Hello, stoeren
my qusten is: how i can install antix on the stick but not as live distro without having troubel with the secure boot?
You have these options:
A) Use your USB key as Persistance device. It is similar to installed, with the option to boot both as the original live-iso or with your changes saved. With this you also have the advantage of a live antiX environment that works even with Secure Boot.
B) Have a Frugal install on your system. What this does is create a folder (where antiX will be installed) inside an existing partition, for example your Windows partition, without having to format and create specific partitions for antiX. In your case, your Disk space is so small this option is not worth it. For any other people interested, you can read more in the antiX FAQ for Frugal Install.
C) Install on a different USB stick. From the Live environment, you can choose to install antiX on a different USB device from the live USB. I am not sure this is possible to install and boot if the Secure Boot is enabled. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable can answer this.
D) Disable Secure Boot. If you cant do c (because of Secure Boot) and still want to have it installed on the stick or you want to replace Windows some day, you may need to disable Secure Boot before being able to install.
The most interesting in your case may be option A. I will also explain option D as it may be useful for you or someone else.
USING YOUR USB LIVE ENVIRONMENT WITH PERSISTANCE
If you have burned your antiX ISO in the USB stick with option to create persistence (non dd), you should be able to Create a Persistence homefs and rootfs files to store all changes you perform in the live environment. There are two ways of setting up persistence, but I will explain the simplest one.When booting to USB, before starting up the hole antiX system, you will have different boot options to choose from. I presume your system has UEFI Bios, so I will explain the steps to follow (if you have a Legacy Bios, it will be even easier than this, as you would be able to choose options with the Function keys: see video linked below).
1. Choose the antiX Full Customize Boot (text menus) option and hit Enter.
2. Choose your language, console columns (I choose default), Timezone, Special boot option (if in antiX 17.4, and you would like wicd to manage your wifi connection, select wicd option if you dislike ceni), and mount option (default is automount).
3. IMPORTANT OPTION: The next option is the important one. It is the Persistence option. These are the most important options for a newbie (in my opinion):
a) persist_static The best option for you. It will save all your changes continuesly in the USB device. It is a bit slower than other options but it will respect your RAM.
b) persist_all Not the best option for your very small amount of RAM. It will load all persistent files in RAM. All changes done in the live environment will be saved in RAM, but on shutdown the changes will be saved on your USB device (or manually saved if so you choose). It runs faster as it isn’t limited by the speed of your USB device/port, but at the expense of taking some of your RAM.
4. then select font dpi.
5. SETING UP PERSISTENCE If you chose this option and your USB permits it, you will be following the steps to create and configure your persistence system. antiX will ask you to create a rootfs (where all your programs will be stored), and a homefs (where you will save your personal files, like downloads, pictures and documents) file. Depending on the amount of space available in your USB device, you will have to decide how much to give each one. Don’t panic, you can resize them later if you want from inside your antiX live environment. Let us imagine you have a 10GB USB device. I would start assigning 1GB to rootfs and 2GB to homefs. You can later resize them if you need more space. For now it is a good exercise.
You will be asked to change the demo and root passwords (for security reasons, as this device is no longer a “virgin” liveUSB and will contain you system). Give them a password you will remember.
6. After setting this up, you may be asked about how you want your persistence changes to be saved. If you have chosen persist_static, ignore this option, as your changes will be continuously saved in the USB device automatically. For persist_all option, Automatic means all changes will be saved when you power-off automatically (as they are all saved in RAM and not USB). Semi-Automatic will enable you to choose to save your changes or not when powering off (a prompt will ask you if you want to save your changes when you are shutting down).
7. Select your preferred Desktop and you should boot into your new antiX persistence.These steps may be a little different if using antiX-19. If you want to see a step by step video guide, follow dolphin_oracle’s video linked below.
More Information:
dolphin_oracle video tutorial
antiX FAQ – PersistenceDISABLING SECURE BOOT
You have to disable Secure Boot. Only distros that are signed by Microsoft can (theoretically) install and work with Secure Boot. Debian 10 and Ubuntu (and maybe openSUSE) have that feature. I had to disable Secure Boot in my tablet for antiX to install.If you want to continue and Disable Secure Boot and install antiX (or some other distro) in your device, you will first have to enter the BIOS configuration.
For your device, the ASUS website recommends two options:a) The laptop must be powered-off / turned off. Maintain F2 Button pressed. While doing so, press the Power button as you would do for starting up the laptop. Keep pressing the F2 key until the BIOS Configuration comes up.
b) Accessing UEFI BIOS from Windows. You will have to restart the computer and access the Advance Startup EFI screen. There is a key combination on the restart session, but I cannot remember it right now. The GUI way is: Settings > Updates and Security > Recovery > Advanced Startup > Restart Now (you can follow the video in ASUS page linked below). Once it restarts, navigate to the UEFI options: Troubleshoot > Advanced Options > UEFI Firmware Settings > Restart. You will now enter the BIOS.
Source: ASUS FAQ – Entering BIOS for ASUS laptops
Extra option (for other cases): If Fast Boot is enabled, you won’t be able to follow the previous steps to access the BIOS configuration. Completely Shutting Down Windows will “disable” the Fast Boot for the next session. From the Windows Login screen, maintain Shift Key pressed while clicking Shut Down. Wait until your computer completely shuts down before releasing the Shift key. Then follow step a) to enter the BIOS.
You can also enter the advanced EFI options by doing the same process but clicking Reboot instead. On reboot, it should display Windows’ Advance Startup EFI screen, where maybe one can find the option to access the UEFI Bios Configuration.Once inside the BIOS configuration you will be able to disable Secure Boot. You should be able to find the option in the BOOT Tab.
I hope this helps. I am sure someone will correct me if
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Hi everyone. My name is Zygmunt and I come from Poland. I’m 33 yo.
My experience with computers is – C64, and Amiga 500 in the 90′ (when i was a kid), Windows 95.
Since ~2002 untill now i was using Windows XP, but due the policies of google and microsoft (YouTube doesn’t work properly since there is no real Chrome for XP etc.) I had to figure out something alternative to use the Internet. So i’ve decided to check out Linux. I’ve had licked it a bit earlier (Mandriva? can’t even remember the distro 😉 ) to manage partitions etc.
My machine is old – athlon processor, radeon 9600, 4GB RAM (but the machine reads only 3,2GB). At least it has SATA2 🙂 Also I have a netbook ACER AOD270 (1GB RAM 🙁 and it’s so slooooow). That is why I decided to install AntiX on both of my machines.
At the moment I see myself as an “almost newbie”.
I think that would be all 🙂
Best regards to all of you good people 🙂Microsoft Office 365: Banned in German schools over privacy fears
State of Hesse says student and teacher information could be “exposed” to US spy agencies.
You would think that, being German, they would use Debian as a matter of course.
“These are the times that try men's souls" - Thomas Paine