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  • #21728
    Anonymous

      Photoshop CS2 runs in Wine. Less then perfect but, well enough — on ‘minimize window’ and upon ‘restore window’, it’ll show only empty window.
      Photoshop CS6 should run too but, didn’t try it. It runs fine in VirtualBox VM under Windows 7.

      Microsoft Office โ€“ at least 2007 (and 2010 but, didn’t try it) runs fine in Wine, with some minor glitches — in some menues, you can only ‘surf’ forth but, not back because the pop-ups always close. Getting it installed is everything else then trivial — one part of the setup is ‘blind’ — you need to browse the munues which are empty (show nothing)

      LibreOffice Suite, Kingsoft/WPS Office and SoftMaker Office are the alternatives, SoftMaker being the best when it comes to MS support but, none of them offers 100% compatibility. Also, SoftMaker costs as much as MS Office.

      https://www.libreoffice.org/
      https://www.wps.com/
      https://www.wps.com/office-free
      https://www.softmaker.com/en/softmaker-office

      There is a free version of SoftMaker Office which can work with the latest MS Office formats but, can’t save them (it can save only old .doc … or proprietary, own formats).

      https://www.freeoffice.com/en/

      One alternative is eventualy also, using oulook.com — basic Word, Excel and PowerPoint features are free for everybody who has an account. You also get ‘Outlook’ (email) and calender functions for free.

      Master PDF Editor (Code Industry) might be alternative for Nitro Pro.
      Basic version is free for all and has many usefull functions completely for free (no watermarks and such like in Windows free version). If you need all of its functionality, you’ll need to buy the full license.

      https://code-industry.net/free-pdf-editor/

      DaVinci Resolve 16 is high-quality professional software — if you are capable of using it and if you make it install properly (which is not always that trivial, despite .deb format).

      https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/edit

      Otherways, as an alternatives, you coud try: Kdenlive, OpenShot, Shotcut and Cinelerra. Each of them has some advantages and disadvantages.

      https://kdenlive.org/en/
      https://www.openshot.org/en/
      https://shotcut.org/
      http://cinelerra.org/
      https://www.cinelerra-gg.org/

      (Those are 2 different versions of Cinelerra!)

      There are two more:

      Lightworks — it’s ‘free’ but, the free version is not usable for serious work, good enough for YouTube though.
      If you are into ‘Pro Quality’ you’ll need to get the full license — which is not cheap.

      https://www.lwks.com/

      Blender — it’s the only professional quality video editing software in Linux world. Blender is “Mainly for 3D animation, not focused on regular video editing” and COMPLICATED but, if you are good enough for it, you can make Hollywood movies with it, digital paintings that look more realistic then the photograph …

      https://www.blender.org/

      CherryTree is a note taking app running on Linux and Windows (also as a portable app).

      https://www.giuspen.com/cherrytree/

      Portable Windows version and screenshot:

      https://portableapps.com/apps/office/cherrytree-portable

      YouTube downloaders are usually available as FireFox extensions.

      Don’t know for others.

      Hope it helps.

      #21712
      Member
      PPC

        hi! welcome. I’ll try to help a bit, in what I can:

        winehq app – do you mean Wine (https://www.winehq.org/) – if so, yes, you can install it, it’s easy, from the control center
        Photoshop – you can try using GIMP- very similar in features (from control center you can instal/upgrade it )
        microsoft word – you can try LibreOffice Writer (already installed in the full version), WPS wordprocessor (you can install WPS via flatpack or download and install from WPS site- it’s free for Linux users). You can use Word via Office365 on-line (office.com)- it has a limited free version.
        Grammarly in Microsoft word – sorry, MS word does not run on linux (some older versions may run, under Wine). see what I said about ms word above… Grammarly can run as a firefox plug in but I was not able to install it. If you can install it, I guess you can use with in conjuntion with on-line MS Wrord (free or paid version)….

        TomTom sat nav?? – I don’t know

        find alternative app
        nitro pro (signature pen support) pdf – I don’t know
        internetdownloadmanager – there are many similar apps in Linux that run in antiX
        winx youtube downloader – you have youtube downloader, I belive it comes pre-installed in antiX.
        franz – in https://meetfranz.com/#download click the appimage button. Follow the directions for using appimages (they seem a bit tricky at first- you have to click the file in a file manager and make it executable (you only have to do this once- it’s a security feature), before being able to click an run it. Thanks, I never found out about franz until now…
        videostudiopro – there are many good video editors for Linux, I belive all run under antiX. Check out https://itsfoss.com/best-video-editing-software-linux/
        screen recording- there are tons of screen recording apps for linux/debian/antiX – I guess you have one in Control Center
        mailbird email client – Thunderbird mail client (it serves as a calendar)- you can install from control center
        utorent – many torrent’s clients available, you can choose one from control center
        nordvpn – https://nordvpn.com/pt/download/linux/

        Will GCleaner work on your os? – I don’t know, probably no the site says it’s for elmentary/ubuntu bases OS’s, antiX is neither.

        I didn’t understand your notepad question- you can write text in windows/linux and edit the same file in any of this OS… is that what you mean? Text editors are compatible between OS, text files are the simples ones possibles. But you have to choose the right format for them, when saving…

        Edit: you may consider MX linux- it’s partly based in antiX, but with a interface that looks much more like Windows 10 (after you choose to put it’s bar on the bottom of the screen, instead of the left side— this wierdows ๐Ÿ™‚ don’t know here the bar is meant to be!!! (just kiding! The bar of the left side makes sense in modern 16/9 screens- unfortunatly Ihave none of those ๐Ÿ™ )-

        P.

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        Anonymous

          She wanted to upgrade it to windows 10 (to use Office 2019). I read the news about in the very near future it needing at least 32 gb free space to upgrade, so I said- stick with 8.1โ€ฆ

          Holy moly! I bet even the most bloated Linux distro can be installed in about 10GB. If I know Microsoft I think they include the page file in this figure. When Windows Vista came out, it required 15GB space. I have often found even Windows 7 can be installed in about 8GB of space, so I think Microsoft is taking into account some things like the page file and space needed for updates etc.
          I think the 32GB might be a “safety net” figure.

          #21707
          Member
          syfer1987

            You see my old laptop is on windows 10 Redstone 5. I have found that some times my laptop spkies to 100% and then comes back down and it did not use to do this.

            my pc specs are
            Intel Core i5 3210M @ 2.50GHz Ivy Bridge 22nm Technology
            6.00GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 798MHz (11-11-11-28)
            Hewlett-Packard 183F (U3E1)
            Generic PnP Monitor (1366×768@60Hz)
            Intel HD Graphics 4000 (HP)
            238GB MTFDDAK256MAM-1K1 (SATA (SSD))

            So i have decided to try another lighter os to see if that would help.

            Before I do a full install I need to know was do I get alternative apps from?

            The apps that I am
            winehq app
            Photoshop
            microsoft word
            Grammarly in Microsoft word

            TomTom sat nav??

            find alternative app
            nitro pro (signature pen support) pdf
            internetdownloadmanager
            winx youtube downloader
            franz
            videostudiopro
            screen recording
            mailbird email client
            utorent
            nordvpn

            Will GCleaner work on your os?

            Before I go full force I need some help as I am new to Linux.

            Also in windows, I can pin my notepad and all my text documents under notepad can this be done in your os?

            Also can notepad work in Linux and vice versa as I plan on using Windows and Linux.

            Linex on my laptop and windows on my desktop.

            #21327
            Anonymous

              @eugen-b

              There are many icons out there and many square ones too, for that matter, it’s just … there are (too) many different things to consider when choosing the default icon theme. Many of those icon sets are absolutely beautiful, as long as they stay on display in some art museum. Once you install them and try to work with your O/S, they turn to be extremely annoying. Either they ‘all look same’ or they have too week or too strong colors, or they’re too flat or … I know the Numix Square from Antergos and I personally, wouldn’t use it. However, it’s not upon me to decide what one want’s to do with ones own product. I can only try to help avoiding the disaster as we saw it once in antiX 17.1 or currently in MX.

              Applications icons are only one part, mime-types the other. You want to be able to quickly see the differences between different file types but again, you don’t want them to show you three different types or archives as green, blue and purple. It becomes pretty annoying over time. And then there is again consistency… There is a nice documentation on that topic on Apple, Gnome, Microsoft and some other sites, where is explained how and why exactly so some things should be done. It’s much more than the matter of somebodies personal taste.

              If you set some icon type as the default, the theme used should match, the login screen should match, wallpapers should match … many distributions produce utter chaos. The less is more and the computer is a tool to work. It’s not here to be beautiful or to be the ‘object of desire’; it’s here to help you to work more effectively and not to distract you from work and the less is more because, it’s much better to offer only one good theme then to put a dozen of themes and all of them are bad. ‘Good’ and ‘bad’ has here nothing to do with personal preferences or taste but with science and empirical values/’experience shows’. The most beautiful image is not the best possible wallpaper, the most creative icon set is not the most suitable for work …

              P.S.

              Here is one example of ‘FLUCHbox’ with square icons that fits Fluxbox archaic concept, makes it less boring, more modern but, still very classic and — still usable.

              https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/antix-screenys-general/page/11/#post-21328

              Actually the best solution would be to make two separate antiX editions.

              One ‘chaos edition’ as is, for the ‘geeks’ and one ‘ordinary human beings edition’, IceWM only, which could be easier to style properly, with ‘one application per task’, ‘mean and lean’, without all of that live this and that (which does not appeal to a ‘normal user’) — just an ordinary, simple to use for all and stable O/S for your wife, for your children, for your mother … a tool that helps the work gets done. Just a kind of modern times typewriter.

              #21192
              Anonymous

                Have issues when booting from cold start. Canโ€™t get to usb device. But if i do restart when in Windows, no problem.

                Please check the first screenshot first.

                If that’s how your settings look like, then you have no issues when cold booting but, you probably don’t know how exactly Windows works.

                Windows 8 / 8.1 / 10 have the ‘Quick Boot’ function turned on per default.

                It’s some kind of suspend / hibernate ‘trick’ where, when you press the regular shutdown button, it doesn’t shutdown but, it goes into the ‘fake shutdown’ state.

                It closes all open applications (in opposite to suspend / hibernate) but, it puts the system itself and some chosen / important applications (Edge) to sleep.

                If you are dual-booting, you must always insure that the Windows is fully turned off before you access its partitions from another system.

                There are a couple of ways to shutdown Windows completely.

                The second screenshot shows you the ‘regular full shutdown’, as intended by Microsoft.

                You have to go into Windows settings / recovery options and then press the restart now option.

                New screen will open and there you get a couple of options, one of them being to shutdown your computer and the other one, to boot directly from another device.

                There are three other ways to perform the complete shutdown too:

                1. by reconfiguration of shutdown button in energy / power settings of Windows
                2. command line shutdown (you can make a shortcut for the command to)
                3. over the keyboard and mouse combination

                You can easily find many ‘how-to’s in internet on that matter.

                Once your Windows is completely shutdown, if your BIOS is properly configured and you’re not using Asus, you shouldn’t have any cold boot issues any more.

                Why Asus? HP usually has the boot options on F9, Dell and Lenovo at F12 but, Asus choose nothing else but exactly F8.

                That’s very ‘sub-optimal’ since the Windows itself is using F8 for some extra boot options.

                ** It’s absolutely essential to understand how the ‘Quick Boot’ works.

                1. Since the regular installation is never shutdown but, only in ‘fake shutdown’ state, that implies that it always needs / uses energy — even after ‘shutdown’.

                Will say, if you let your computer laying around for a couple of months (HW dependent!), it can happen that your battery gets drained and damaged beyond repair (I know few such cases). Removing battery is also no option — Windows might (not will!) get damaged.

                2. Windows ‘remembers’ in which state the files were on ‘fake shutdown’. Even accessing the files from another O/S during that ‘fake shutdown’ can lead to file inconsistencies because, Windows writes a lot of additional meta-data. That’s why, one should never change any files (write/save) on Windows partitions, and that’s why one should rather avoid even reading (opening) the files during the ‘fake shutdown’ condition. Even the auto-mount partitions function might kill Windows.

                #21148

                In reply to: How do I fix grub?

                Moderator
                BobC

                  I still think:

                  1. trying the reload of antiX and telling it that its an EFI machine, and to install grub (can’t hurt to try that)
                  2. reloading lbuntu to use its boot manager, then once it works, install antix and then go back and update lbuntu’s boot manager to also show antix (not a pretty solution, but should work)
                  3. go and add the text code from the link where they added the windows EFI boot to the grub custom cfg file manually (I went and tried it on my one UEFI machine, and it could probably be tweaked to work if you knew the right parameters, but I don’t)

                  All look like possible solutions if nobody else will help.

                  Ok, I threw in my best suggestions. I guess you either keep searching and trying, or reload. Sorry if I can’t be more help.

                  PS: I thought some more about this. I don’t give up easily, LOL…

                  If you now can boot into antiX on the hard drive, then I think you could do that, then go to a terminal and run
                  sudo update-grub
                  I think it will rebuild your grub menu and hopefully it will find and include windows when it does. I think you will see the operating systems found on the terminal screen, and if it finds windows it will set it up as a boot option.

                  If that didn’t work, I figured out how to do that option 3 above on my EFI windows 10 dual boot machine. Of course the parameters might not be exactly the same on yours… Basically, as root, you need to create a file /boot/grub/custom.cfg and then it will appear as a menu option at the bottom of the grub boot menu:

                  # custom.cfg - test manually created windows 10 boot option
                  #
                  # at grub menu, if you do a 
                  # c[Enter] 
                  # to get a command screen, 
                  # then 
                  # ls[Enter]
                  # to see all the possible partitions, 
                  # then look for the lowest partition number of the first hd,
                  # which in my case was (hd0,gpt1), so then I do an
                  # ls (hd0,gpt1)/[Enter]
                  # to see what is in there and see EFI, so then do an
                  # ls (hd0,gpt1)/EFI/[Enter]
                  # to see what is in there and see Microsoft, so then do an
                  # ls (hd0,gpt1)/EFI/Microsoft/[Enter]
                  # to see what is in there and see Boot, so then do an
                  # ls (hd0,gpt1)/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/[Enter]
                  # to see what is in there and see bootmgfw.efi which is what needs to run
                  # based in what the standard grub install generated for my machine
                  # in gparted that windows partition appears as /dev/sda1
                  
                  menuentry 'Test /boot/grub/custom.cfg UEFI Windows Boot Manager (on /dev/sda1)' {
                  	insmod part_gpt
                  	insmod fat
                  	set root='hd0,gpt1'
                  	search --set=root --file /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
                  	chainloader /efi/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
                  }
                  

                  And now I will also say good luck, but to be honest I think one of these will work ๐Ÿ™‚

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                  Anonymous

                    When you talk about ‘Linux development’, don’t forget the ‘behind the scene’ part of it.
                    Where the money comes from? Amazon, Apple, Google, HP, IBM, Oracle, Microsoft …
                    Linux isn’t something about or developed with ‘desktop users’ in mind.

                    It’s free to download and use, not more, not less.

                    #19422

                    In reply to: Web Browsers

                    Anonymous

                      So — you are recommending something that you don’t even use or you use something, but don’t even know what.
                      Your link is exactly the same that Anonymous (remember missTell?) posted already back in November.

                      https://github.com/minbrowser/min/issues/440#issuecomment-338080554

                      And — under ‘security’ we obviously understand something else.

                      For me it was in a sense of: when an security update comes out today, I wanna have it today.
                      Not tomorrow, not after tomorrow and also not a couple of days later.
                      This you get only with Chrome and Firefox.

                      In a couple of weeks or months, Epic will catch up (main version is the same as Chromium it’s based on, subversion differs). ๐Ÿ˜‰
                      That said — if they’re still around at the given time. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Already second good laugh today. ๐Ÿ™‚
                      ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚ ๐Ÿ™‚

                      Most security holes are anyway found by Google research team and everybody is soon using Presto — Edge included.
                      Opera and Vivaldi are fine, but they are not better then Chrome in one way but definitely worse in another.
                      Opera has one feature that my seem promising — it includes VPN connection.
                      On the other side, they miss the most valuable stuff from Chrome.
                      Owned by Chinese is also not everybody’s piece of cake.
                      And — if I need VPN, I’m choosing my provider.
                      Microsoft’s Edge is soon ‘Edgium’…

                      P.S.
                      You forgot Pale Moon and ‘Yandexium’ on your list. ๐Ÿ˜‰
                      Netsurf, Dillo, Links, Lynx and some … ๐Ÿ™‚
                      Have fun surfing! ๐Ÿ˜‰

                      #19201

                      In reply to: Screen mirroring

                      Anonymous

                        While it is not the automatic solution that noClue pgb is looking for …

                        noClue simply explained “What is the advantage of the other programs?”.

                        On Dell computers, the function is on F8, on Thinkpads on F7 and Fn + F7 (or F8) will cycle through 4 different modes.
                        (only computer — mirrored — both screens — only projector/2nd screen)

                        Addendum:
                        Laptop Presentation Mode / Microsoft Mobility Center in Windows 7
                        (Just to illustrate the explanation from above)

                        #18579
                        Forum Admin
                        BitJam

                          Sorry calinb, I was out sick for a while. FWIW, That error message you show indicates the problem may be with squashfs support in the RT kernel. When you install the kernel, the configuration should be in a file at /boot/config-$VERSION. A recent antiX kernel has this line CONFIG_SQUASHFS=y
                          I think it would also be okay if the RT kernel had CONFIG_SQUASHFS=m

                          Of course, it may be a different problem but that is where I’d look first. It is also possible they compiled something as a module that we expected to be built into the kernel. If we can track that down then that is something we could fix on our end. But I’d look for squashfs support first.

                          I am a little surprised that a RT kernel is still required for CNC work. I was doing stuff like that 25 or 30 years ago on cheap 386 hardware with mechanical servo/feedback loops (I have a funny story about Microsoft’s “Quick”Basic which was their response to Turbo Pascal and Turbo-C. TL;DR: “Quick”Basic was ungodly slow doing 16-bit (or was it 32-bit?) integer arithmetic which was already built into the CPU! For every operation they converted the integers to floating point then did a floating point calculation and converted back to integers. But the little controller we were using had no FPU so it took about 1,000 times longer than needed). The speedup in computers since then has been incredible, largely due to SIMD that was added so computers could play video. An ordinary laptop is faster than a super computer I was using in the 90s.

                          I’d imagine you could tweak some parameters and set priorities to get the low latency, etc that you need. OTOH, the people making the RT kernel are not idiots so there is probably a very good reason they are working on it.

                          Usually, the slowest thing, by miles, is the seek time on hard drives. Unlike almost everything else computer-wise, it has decreased slightly but it has not followed Moore’s Law, not even close. Using a decent SSD should fix this, so too would using something like the “toram” option to put everything you need to run the system into RAM. Of course, this assumes you have enough RAM to do that.

                          Context is worth 80 IQ points -- Alan Kay

                          #18514
                          Member
                          wasp

                            I have an old Lenovo amd laptop, I can not get the integrated sd player to work. He does not read anything.
                            With Devuan it works … how can I proceed?

                            Thanks

                            $ lsusb
                            Bus 002 Device 003: ID 0bda:b728 Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
                            Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0438:7900 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
                            Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
                            Bus 001 Device 003: ID 5986:0652 Acer, Inc
                            Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0438:7900 Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
                            Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
                            Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
                            Bus 003 Device 002: ID 045e:0737 Microsoft Corp. Compact Optical Mouse 500
                            Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2

                            $ lspci
                            00:00.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1566
                            00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Mullins [Radeon R2 Graphics]
                            00:01.1 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kabini HDMI/DP Audio
                            00:02.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 156b
                            00:02.1 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1
                            00:02.2 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1
                            00:02.3 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1
                            00:02.4 PCI bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 16h Processor Functions 5:1
                            00:08.0 Encryption controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1537
                            00:10.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB XHCI Controller (rev 11)
                            00:11.0 SATA controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SATA Controller [AHCI mode]
                            00:12.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB EHCI Controller (rev 39)
                            00:13.0 USB controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH USB EHCI Controller (rev 39)
                            00:14.0 SMBus: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SMBus Controller (rev 42)
                            00:14.2 Audio device: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH Azalia Controller (rev 02)
                            00:14.3 ISA bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH LPC Bridge (rev 11)
                            00:14.7 SD Host controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] FCH SD Flash Controller (rev 01)
                            00:18.0 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1580
                            00:18.1 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1581
                            00:18.2 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1582
                            00:18.3 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1583
                            00:18.4 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1584
                            00:18.5 Host bridge: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Device 1585
                            02:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5229 PCI Express Card Reader (rev 01)
                            06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 10)
                            07:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter

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                            #18450
                            Anonymous

                              Itโ€˜s not a bug, itโ€˜s a feature.

                              Important to know here is, the intention of Netficks was to prevent the people of enjoying the video streaming, make them headache and indirectly force them to โ€žbehaveโ€œ and finally use what they are supposed to use โ€” Windows or Mac. Beside DRM, they made their contents work properly (in 1080p) only in Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge or Safari web browsers and Chrome and Firefox users would get only 720p, if anything.

                              Now, there are two extensions made to help people to watch Netflix with less problems:

                              Firefox: โ€žForce 1080p playback for Netflixโ€œ (Vlad Filippov)
                              Chrome: โ€žNetflix 1080p fรผr Chromeโ€œ (truedread)

                              See if it helps.

                              #17896

                              In reply to: AntiX logo

                              Anonymous

                                I’d like to say somthin’n about logo.

                                “Have you ever asked yourselves the question, why the so-called world companies do not?”
                                “That logo has represented the antiX โ€œbrandโ€ for a decade. It is what it is.”
                                “I agree that branding is what it is.”

                                That’s nonsense.

                                “Most organizations rarely, if ever, change a brand logo, but visual graphics change much more often …”

                                That’s nonsense too.

                                There are logos and logos and there are companies and companies. While Alexius Papadopulos is proud on his grandfathers logo for his wine or olive oil company, or while some “since 1765 … by appointment of her Majesty, the Queen of England and …” whisky or beer producer might be proud of some old fashioned logo for the “traditional” brand, the exact oposite is true in tech world where you don’t want the image as “being from yesterday”, but where you wanna be a “pathfinder” in the future.

                                Every respectful company changed their logo at lest once if not on regular basis, every couple of years.

                                And then, there is logo change and logo change. If you used a bird on your logo for the past 20 years, then you’ll not make a new logo consisting of one acronym or showing a kangaroo but, you’ll make that bird flatter, a bit more abstract or something in that way. So you can keep “your identity” and still show that you are up to date and go with time.

                                Take a look at Apple and Microsoft. Does Windows 10 uses the logo of Win 7, of Vista, of XP, of 2000, of 98 … Nope. Same with Apple. Or IBM, or … Windows’es changed over time and yet, they are still windows’es, or apples or whatever.

                                Logos are getting subtle changes over time and they evolve. Abrupt change or suddenly some completely different style are no-go’s.

                                Logo has to fit the brand and the product and it also has a symbolic meaning. If logo never changes, it suggests that product never changes, that the company philosophy never changes and so on. That’s negative in high-tech world where you must be in front of time or at least, go with time.

                                I’ll make some practical examples here …

                                Screenshot Nr. 1:

                                Can you imagine somthin’ like this? Me less so. That logo doesn’t fit the wallpaper and it suggests “1997”, Clearlooks-Phenix, Gnome-Colors … still the best combination from usability perspective, but “slightly dusty”.

                                Screenshot Nr. 2:

                                Would you ever use somethin’ like that? Me not.

                                It’s more modern on the plus side, but that’s also the only plus.

                                It’s amateurish made, it’s a copycat, bad executed copy of a good, high quality executed professional logo, it makes to abrupt change compared to original antiX logo, it doesn’t look good (“sharp feet”) and it’s “hurting” the eyes. That also suggest us unconsciously, that the company behind or the product itself will hurt us. (Which is throught for antiX as is.)

                                Screenshot Nr. 3:

                                How about this one? This is a high quality, highly professional, very well executed, abstract logo. There are only two reasons why this shouldn’t become official antiX logo:

                                1. The logo style would be a complete style change without any relation to the predecessor — that’s a no-go.
                                2. It’s already used by one company.

                                Screenshot Nr. 4:

                                And this one? Well, it depends very much on the product itself. As long as antiX is in it’s present state, it would be a very bad idea. On the other side, one day maybe, somebody might start caring about “the looks” and about the “image” and it maybe even decides to give antiX some “fresh paint” and make it look more modern. Then and only then, such logo (I didn’t say this exact one!) would make very much sense as it would fit better to the new product and to the “new thoughts direction” of the people behind it.

                                Technicaly seen, it’s a word replacing a word — no abrupt change of style. Just flatter and modern with slightly more modern font curvature. It would be completely different and still the same good, old antiX.

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                                Anonymous

                                  Although the OP may have encountered an edge case, we’ve seen multiple reports of “Rufus successfully created MX18 liveUSB”, right?
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                                  what_do_bootable_usb_makers_like_rufus_actually_do
                                  a Jan 2019 reply posted reddit by the author of Rufus

                                  Rufus developer here. Glad you asked, because a lot of people seem to think an utility like Rufus doesn’t do much (“Why use Rufus when you can just use diskpart?”), and fail to realize that there is usually a lot more happening behind the scenes because of all the many quirks that are inherent to what can mostly be described as trying to fit a round peg (an ISO image) into a smaller square hole (a USB drive).

                                  So, what does Rufus do. Well, that varies a lot depending on the type of source image you have and type of computer you are trying to boot.

                                  If the source is a DD (pure disk image) or ISOHybrid image (mixed ISO and disk image), then this is the simplest case: Rufus does write it, bit for bit, without any conversion, onto the USB drive… except (quirk #1) it also first needs makes sure that there doesn’t exist another process that is currently trying to access the drive in write mode, since, to reliably write to the drive, you really don’t want to leave the door open for something else to also have kept some write access opened, as there is no telling how they might arbitrarily change the data you just wrote behind your back, and screw up the boot. Also, you may have to work around some Windows own quirks (quirk #2, mostly seen with Windows 10), where Windows will prevent you to write whatever you want unless you first cleared the drive properly (and by properly, Microsoft means using one of the 3 methods that are supposed to clear the partition tables and whatnot, but that are temperamental enough so that only one tends to work as expected). Now, once you managed to clear the drive, write the data, and made sure that nothing should have been able to modify it behind your back, then you “should” be able to rely on the makers of the image to have sorted the USB boot, so your job is done (or at least, if it doesn’t work, it’s not your issue).

                                  However, not all ISOs are ISOHybrids. Especially the Windows ISOs aren’t, so the method above, which we call “DD Mode”, cannot be applied all the time. Besides, DD writing presents major drawbacks for Windows users in that the image may be written using a file system that Windows does not support, in which case many people are going to be confused as to why they are no longer able to see or access the content of their USB in File Explorer, or, in case the image contains an EFI System Partition, why they suddenly only see a super small FAT32 partition with next to no content, from what used to be a large USB… And even if the image does use a file system / partition mapping (remember, Windows version prior to Win10 1703 could not mount more than one partition from a drive with the “removable” attribute, which most USB Flash Drives will have) that lets users access the data from Windows, by writing in DD Mode, you are only ever going to be able to use your drive up to the maximum size of the original image. In other words, this means that if the people who created a DD/ISOHybrid image used a 4GB image, then, if it gets copied on a 32GB drive, there’s going to be 28GB of data that you can’t use at all, until you repartition and reformat your drive, which of course isn’t ideal… And I’m not even going to comment on how ISOHybrid is a major hack in the first place, by trying to combine two completely different file systems do stuff they were never designed to do, with all the problems that can ensue (which is why it’s very unlikely you’re ever going to see ISOHybrid versions of Windows ISOs. But then again, who knows…). For the record, this is the reason you can’t use Etcher to write a Windows ISO to an USB drive because Etcher can only cope with DD or ISOHybrid images. Despite what many people seem to believe, because it has become the norm to use it on recent popular Linux distros, ISOHybrid is the exception rather than the norm, so if you only support “DD Mode”, you’re going to be stuck at some stage…

                                  So, what do you do when you don’t have a DD or ISOHybrid image. Well, that is where things start to get a lot more “interesting”.

                                  A lot of people seem to think that, if that ISO is UEFI compatible, then it’s about as easy as writing a DD image, in that you simply need to copy the content of the ISO onto a FAT32 formatted partition, and you’re good to go… Except you may have a file on that ISO that is larger than 4 GB (For instance ALL of the recent retail versions of the Windows 10 1809 are like that), in which case you can’t use FAT32 (file system design limits the maximum size of a single file to 4GB or less), and you need to apply some workaround to boot from NTFS. So Rufus does detect that and applies the relevant quirk appropriately (quirk #3). Also, and it turns out that some Linux distros, such as Mandriva (which I’m calling out, because I have opened a bug with them on this for more than 6 months now, and despite repeated requests for updates, they have yet to acknowledge it), have drunk a bit too much of the ISOHybrid Kool-aid, and decided to remove the FAT32 file system driver from their custom GRUB bootloader, which of course wrecks havoc for the boot process of unsuspecting users… And that’s not even mentioning some of the Debian derivatives’ ISOHybrids that don’t bother having the UEFI bootloaders present on the ISO file system, so that they will get copied automatically if you duplicate the ISO content, but instead cram them into a virtual efi.img FAT image. So (quirk #4), Rufus must also extract the efi.img content so that, if you use ISO Mode and not DD Mode, the resulting drive should still boot. Oh, and then there’s Windows 7, which is UEFI compatible (at least for the x64 version), but only after you rename/copy the relevant EFI loader in the right place (quirk #5). Still, converting an UEFI bootable ISO to UEFI bootable USB is actually pretty straight forward (provided the people who created the ISO made sure their content could be booted in Hard Disk mode from a FAT32 or NTFS file system)…

                                  Things however get A LOT more complicated when you need to convert your ISO not for UEFI USB boot, but for BIOS USB boot, because that’s where you get submerged by the quirks. And there are still a lot of BIOS based machines out there. Your first problem being that, when you boot an ISO on a BIOS computer, you will be using a completely different method than when you boot an USB Flash Drive. In the first case, you don’t need to care about bootable attributes, partitions, boot records (such as the Master Boot Record, or “MBR” which you might have heard of) and whatnot. In the second, you very much do. So, when you are converting a BIOS bootable ISO image to a BIOS bootable USB image, there’s A LOT that needs to happen behind the scenes. First of all, because everybody can create their own custom way of booting an ISO from a CD/DVD drive, an application like Rufus must be able to provide the USB/HDD equivalent of whatever binary was used by the ISO. Thankfully, in the case of Linux distros, there only seems to exist 2 types of BIOS bootloaders being used: Syslinux or GRUB. So, what Rufus does is, detect whether the ISO version of GRUB or Syslinux is being used by the image and then write a HDD version of the same bootloader (because, once again, the ISO version of GRUB of Syslinux is absolutely hopeless at booting a USB or HDD, so you can’t even patch the existing binary to do so). So that’s why you may have to download some files from a remote server during the conversion process. And it gets even more “interesting” because (quirk #6) the Syslinux people have somehow managed to make their versions of Syslinux incompatible with one another, especially when it comes to modules (which thankfully, though not always — but this is a quirk that I’m not going to count, you can reuse from ISO to USB/HDD). For instance, you can’t use modules built for Syslinux 5.01 with Syslinux 5.02… or even between some pre-releases of the same version!), so you need to detect and handle that, rather than blindly copy whatever Syslinux binary you may have tried to include in Rufus. Oh, and some distros (Manjaro… why is it always them?) may decide to use custom build options for GRUB so (quirk #7) you need to sort that out as well. Oh and then there’s the whole issue of GRUB or Syslinux config files that may be looking for a media installation partition with a specific label… that can’t be converted to a FAT32 one, because FAT32 volumes are limited to 11 uppercase characters, so (quirk #8) you may want to fix that as well. Should I mention that that last quirk also applies to UEFI? But that’s still just for GRUB or Syslinux and as I said, everybody can write their custom ISO bootloader, for which Rufus will need to provide a USB equivalent, so having a conversion process for GRUB or Syslinux will only get you so far. And that is why we also have bootloaders for ReactOS or KolibriOS. Apart from that, we also had to write out own MBR (quirk #9), to emulate the Windows BIOS ISO bootloader, that asks the user to press for a key, so that the multi-reboot process of Windows installation in BIOS mode could be conducted unattended, as it can be from optical drive.

                                  [..]

                                  So, to answer your question, what Rufus is actually doing is a very straightforward bootable ISO โ†’ bootable USB conversion… while also trying not to bring too much attention to all the corner cases that need to be accounted for and that require extensive quirks to be applied, in order to make people wonder if there’s really that much happening behind the scenes…

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