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[Member PPC]

Dear moderators (I already talked about this in Mr Masinick)- below is an updated version for the original post of this thread (as far as I know, no perfectly up to date). Feel free to insert the changes in the OP and then delete this post!

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(Note: Some of this information is for users of the default antiX desktop- IceWM, but all Menu references are common to all antiX desktops IceWM. JWM and Fluxbox. I’m also assume you are using antiX’s “Full” version)- This version of the Original Post was altered in 4/10/2022

1- Setting up Wi-fi:
– On current antiX versions (21 and 22) when you start your system, if no cabled internet connection (or an already configured wi-fi connection) is detected, antiX’s network manager (Connman – from “CONnection MANager) automatically pops up.
You can also, at any time, launch connman using IceWM’s system tray (near the clock there should be at least 3 square icons, that show information about your computer…
Left click the third icon, counting from the right to the left. Connman Network Settings pops up.
You can also start “Connman” using Menu > Control Centre > Network > Wifi… (Connman)
– On Connman’s main window: on the “Status” Tab: by default (maybe to save power) Wi-fi should be set to “Disabled”- is it’s disabled, make sure to left click the “Powered” button (it should be green, not red).
– Hopefully, a list of all detected Wi-fi networks pops up, available on the “Wireless” tab. Double left click the one you want to connect to and, if needed, enter it’s password (for some reason Connman calls it “Passphrase”). Click the “ok” button. [Note: if, for some reason you don’t see the “Ok” button, use the horizontal slider to “slide the window’s content, so you can see it, in the lower right of the window OR force the window to full screen, by pressing alt + F11 – a tip that should work in any window)
– To connect to a Wi-fi network, simply left click it and then click the “Connect” button
*TIP 1: Do need internet access in your laptop and have no wi-fi? If you have a mobile data connection on your android phone, and it’s USB cable, you can try to use that to access the Net from your laptop: your on your 3G/4G/5G phone internet connection. Connect your phone to your antiX computer, find and activate, on your phone the data sharing/ USB sharing data option and turn that on. Click Connman and check if, in the “Wired” Connections you get any indication that a USB connection is on-line. It works just like a ethernet internet connection.
*TIP 2: You can do a similar procedure to use your Wi-fi on a computer that does not have a Wi-fi card. Access your Wi-fi network from your android device, connect it to your antiX computer using its USB cable, turn on the data sharing option on your phone and check, in connman, if a “Wired” network connection is active and, if so enjoy your Wi-fi internet!

2- Accessing your files:
The default File Manager (it’s called “Rox”) looks too different from what you are used to? antiX has no shortage of file managers, you can try something that looks more like a mainstream File Manager (similar to Windows File Explorer, for example) – it’s called ZZZFM (a fork, created by the fórum user Skidoo, of the previous “secondary” File Manager that older versions used to ship with- SpaceFM):
Menu > Applications > System > ZzzFM
Do you like ZzzFM/SpaceFM enough to always want to use it to access your files? Make it the default File Manager:
Menu > Control Centre > Default Applications (it’s the “yellow star” icon) > Click the input field to the right of “File Manager” and select “zzzfm” from the list, Click “Apply”. From now on, when you click the File Manager icon on the toolbar or the menu, or plug in and external drive, etc, it will always launch ZzzFM/SpaceFM.
Do you miss having Bookmarks, like “Documents”, “Downloads”, etc?
Open ZzzFM > Go to you “Downloads” folder > SpaceFM “Bookmarks” Menu > Confirm that “Show bookmarks” is checked > Click “add bookmark”.
A bookmark to your Downloads folder instantly appears on the left side bar.
You can create bookmarks to any folder you want to, repeating this process. To create a bookmark to your “Home” folder, where your files are stored, navigate to “/home/”, click the folder with your username and then “add bookmark”, etc.
Do you want to see previews of your files ( picture and video files)?
Open ZzzFM > ZzzFM “View” Menu > Preferences > Check “Show thumbnails” > Click “Ok”

Do you want to search for a specific file (by file name or file content)?
Menu > Applications> Acessories > SearchMonkey

Can I access files from my usb thumbdrive, external drive?
Any external drive should automaticaly come up on your screen, on your default file manager. If it does not, and you are using ZzzFM file manager, open it and check if your drive is listed on the “Devices” list, on the upper left corner of the screen. If it is, left click it to access it.

Can I access files stored on the cloud?
Sure:
– use the file storage web interface or;
– install any available interface (“Dropbox” and “Mega” can be installed from Package Manager). There are, at the present time, no official interfaces to “Google Drive” or Microsoft Cloud (AKA “Onedrive”) for Linux, but you can install “Open Drive” from Package Manager- that allows access to those services).
– WARNING – THIS PROCEDURE IS RELATIVELY COMPLEX: you can also setup “Google Drive” to be accessed from your File Manager just like it was an external drive.
I created a script that allows antiX users to access cloud service drives ( like Google Drive, Ms OneDrive, etc) using rclone. You can get it by installing the package “ft10-transformation”.
You can also manually get the a version of the script here: https://github.com/PPC-scripts/access_cloud
Save the antiX version of the script to your computer. On your File Manager right click the file and make it “executable” (using ZzzFM/SpaceFM: select the file and press CTRL + P. In the permission window, check the “Executable” field, then click the “ok” button.

When you have “access_cloud” installed, before being able to access your cloud drive, First, you have to configure your account (Google Drive can be automatically configured) then just click the name of the account and it’s contents open in your default File Manager. Please note that all other Cloud Drives have to be manually set up, using a menu driven by numbered choices, from a terminal window…

3- Do you want to update your system?

IMPORTANT: by default antiX does not automatically update it self (like most Operating Systems). You have to check for updates and install them!
Menu > antiX > antiX Updater > enter your password if asked to > wait to see if there are any updates, if there are a black window with white letters pops up, listing all available updates – just press the “enter” key (yes, in the keyboard) and the update starts. A warning will pop up when the process is finished- Click its button and you are done.
OR
If you installed and enabled the automatic update checker (it’s not installed by default in current antiX versions because it uses system resources), just click it’s icon on the tray next to the clock
OR
Menu > Terminal and type this commands (or copy and paste them in the terminal):
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade

OR
sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgrade

Enter your password if asked to, and wait for the update process to finish.

4- Do you want to install an application?
There are so many ways to install stuff in Linux in general and antiX in particular! Read this antiX forum thread: https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/how-to-install-applications-2020-version/
Quick start: Press the “Shopping Bag” icon on the toolbar, right next to the “Menu” button, to open “Package Manager” (or Menu > Control Centre > “System” tab > “Package Manager”)
Search for what you want to install. A black terminal window pops up during the install process. If it asks you to confirm something, just press the “enter” key to accept the default answer (ex: yes, I want to install all available updates- NB on some very rare occasions, like when updating GRUB or installing Drivers, you may need to answer questions, like choosing where to install Grub, etc.- be very careful selecting the correct option!- I think that you use “tab” to highlight your selection- please do check this!), and wait for the installation to finish.
Note: this is only to install essential software or very used applications: web browsers (Google Chrome, Chromium, Firefox, Tor Browser), Mozilla Thunderbird e-mail client, Java, Wine, Steam, the most recent LibreOffice and GIMP versions, VLC media player, etc.
If you want access to ALL available (Debian and antiX) applications, run “Synaptic package manager” (Menu > Control Centre > “System” tab > “Synaptic Package Manager” > enter your password if asked to > select what you want to install)
In case you want to remove any application from your system, Synaptic is also the graphical way (GUI) to do that– WARNING: as in any system, be very careful when deleting apps- delete only apps that you installed, and, except if you know what you are doing: DO NOT TRY TO REMOVE ANTIX DEFAULT APPLICATIONS– you may “brick your system” – unlike in other OS, you can do exactly what you want, remove anything, there are no “sacred corporate apps”- this also means that you can remove stuff that you should not remove, if you want to have a fully working system!

5- Can you install Ubuntu repositories, PPA’s, Snap files or other Ubuntu specific software?
Sure, it’s a free world. Install Ubuntu or any of it’s countless derivative OS’s.
Install .deb files meant for others OS’s on antiX at your own risk, because you can harm your system, and end up needing to reinstall it.

P.

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[Moderator Brian Masinick]

Thanks for the image! It helps me to remember some of the history.

When LibreOffice was started, most of the development team from OpenOffice moved to LibreOffice and continued to do work, including 64-bit support and much better compatibility with Microsoft Office, plus LibreOffice was a major contributing member to the ODF and other “interoperability formats”.

Nevertheless, OpenOffice was the earlier tool; it does have at least a degree of compatibility; it’s much lighter as a result of its earlier origins, so it work on older equipment. When I installed it, my memories were further revived. While I’ll have to read up on the history to get it 100% correct, I do recall that the Apache Foundation, one of the early protectors of the “World Wide Web”, took over maintenance of OpenOffice – I did find one reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenOffice.org – that will provide additional information, and in fact, it does reference something I vaguely remembered: Star Office was the first semi-compatible office suite to Microsoft Office and that was purchased by Sun Microsystems and morphed into OpenOffice. Sun couldn’t maintain it with available resources, and eventually Apache was given the responsibility to maintain it and keep it alive.

As we know, Oracle eventually took over Sun Microsystems, and wanting to spend their energies on database systems, they donated the software to Apache in 2011.
Also, it was in fact Lotus Symphony that was the other tool, and IBM was involved in that one; IBM was unable to continue the work, so they also donated the code to the Apache group. I have to find a few word processor documents to experiment with; in the meantime, OpenOffice was able to open some simple text documents; it’s capable of working with a variety of formats.

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[Member PPC]

I understand how frustrating it is when something you need fails to work… but why not be proactive?
I searched on-line for “xliff editor linux” and in less than 5 minutes found omegaT. Test it and see if it works for you, over at https://omegat.org/download
If it fails to work for you, search for another tool…

Please note:
The antiX dev team is not the Virtaal dev team- they can not “fix it”. It’s just like asking Microsoft to fix some random game that fails to work in Windows 11, but worked fine in Windows 7…
antiX is a Debian derivative- antiX uses its own repository + Debian’s… but our dev team is not in control of the Debian repositories- you should “complain” about that to the team in charge of Debian…

P.

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[Forum Admin rokytnji]

Out at the shop now

harry@shop:~
$ inxi -zv7
System:
  Kernel: 5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 10.2.1 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.0.1 vt: 7 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0
    Distro: antiX-21_x64-full Grup Yorum 31 October 2021 base: Debian
    GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: LENOVO product: 6075BHU v: ThinkCentre M57
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 3 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: LENOVO serial: <superuser required> BIOS: LENOVO
    v: 2RKT41AUS date: 03/20/2008
Battery:
  Message: No system battery data found. Is one present?
Memory:
  RAM: total: 3.58 GiB used: 467.6 MiB (12.7%)
  RAM Report: permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges
    required.
CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Pentium Dual E2160 bits: 64 type: MCP
    smt: <unsupported> arch: Core2 Merom level: v2 rev: D cache: L1: 128 KiB
    L2: 1024 KiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1489 high: 1758 min/max: 1200/1800 cores: 1: 1758
    2: 1221 bogomips: 7181
  Flags: acpi aperfmperf apic arch_perfmon bts clflush cmov constant_tsc
    cpuid cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts est fpu fxsr ht lahf_lm lm mca
    mce mmx monitor msr mtrr nopl nx pae pat pbe pdcm pebs pge pni pse pse36
    pti rep_good sep sse sse2 ssse3 syscall tm tm2 tsc vme xtpr
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics vendor: Lenovo
    driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-4 ports: active: VGA-1 empty: none
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:29b2 class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: intel
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1280x1024 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 338x270mm (13.31x10.63")
    s-diag: 433mm (17.03")
  Monitor-1: VGA-1 mapped: VGA1 model: ViewSonic VA912-3SERIES
    serial: <filter> res: 1280x1024 hz: 60 dpi: 86
    size: 380x300mm (14.96x11.81") diag: 482mm (19") modes: max: 1280x1024
    min: 720x400
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Q35 v: 1.4 Mesa 20.3.5
    direct render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 82801I HD Audio vendor: Lenovo driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:293e class-ID: 0403
  Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp running: yes
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo driver: e1000e
    v: kernel port: 1820 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:10bd class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter type: USB driver: r8712u
    bus-ID: 2-6.4:5 chip-ID: 0bda:8172 class-ID: 0000 serial: <filter>
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
  IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter>
  IP v6: <filter> scope: link
  WAN IP: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Message: No bluetooth data found.
Logical:
  Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
  Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 298.09 GiB used: 29.49 GiB (9.9%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD3200AAKS-00B3A0
    size: 298.09 GiB speed: <unknown> type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 3A01
    scheme: MBR
  Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: HL-DT-ST model: RW/DVD GCC-H30N rev: 1.02
    dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd
  Features: speed: 48 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw
    state: running
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 252.52 GiB used: 29.49 GiB (11.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
    label: rootantiX21 uuid: f1b7ea1f-dd9f-479b-8bf1-56d1ac2e1a8b
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 3.91 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2
    dev: /dev/sda2 label: N/A uuid: 83f3c3a7-56c1-4666-b6ba-87069c6ee9cf
Unmounted:
  ID-1: /dev/sda1 size: 36.56 GiB fs: ext4 label: N/A
    uuid: 5091df41-e1b4-4c73-a7bf-a05357b81d9a
  ID-2: /dev/sda3 size: 1024 KiB fs: ext4 label: /data
    uuid: cfc7c48a-7166-4682-bb9a-8da7af996851
USB:
  Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 6 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 1-2:2 info: Super Top USB Mass Storage Device
    type: Mass Storage driver: usb-storage interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s power: 400mA chip-ID: 14cd:8168 class-ID: 0806
    serial: <filter>
  Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 6 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-3: 2-6:4 info: Super Top 4-Port hub ports: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 14cd:8601 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 2-6.4:5 info: Realtek RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
    type: Network driver: r8712u interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    power: 500mA chip-ID: 0bda:8172 class-ID: 0000 serial: <filter>
  Hub-4: 3-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-5: 4-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-6: 5-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-7: 6-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-8: 7-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 7-1:2 info: Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical type: Mouse
    driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 045e:0040 class-ID: 0301
  Hub-9: 8-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 8-1:2 info: IBM NetVista Full Width Keyboard type: Keyboard
    driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 04b3:3025 class-ID: 0301
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Info:
  Processes: 142 Uptime: 4m wakeups: 1 Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5
  default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1606
  Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 running-in: roxterm inxi: 3.3.21

Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
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I'm not outa place. I'm from outer space.

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How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problems

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

I’ve written a few comments and posts about a couple of other distributions today and also a very worthwhile book to read called Slackware Linux Essentials.

No, I’m NOT abandoning antiX, in fact, I’ve been using antiX-21-runit_x64-full to write each of the posts today, including this one.

I do, however, enjoy using many Linux distributions, and since I’ve been using them for a long time, I know quite a bit of the history from my own reading and personal use.

I did not get my hands on Linux personally until late 1995, but I had been reading about it for a couple of years in various articles and magazines. Since I was also a fairly early user of UNIX systems (no, I didn’t use the original back in 1969 but I did take a peek at a PDP/11-45 implementation on an offline lab version in the seventies and I actually was part of an advanced research and development project to bring departmental and personal systems into large enterprise computing environments at General Motors in the early 1980s – I was using both PCs and UNIX by 1981 and was a confirmed UNIX user in 1982. So when Linux came on the scene, I read all I could about it and when I could afford it, I bought a computer with the specific idea of using BOTH Windows AND Linux on it – BEFORE the days where GNU people turned up the hate on Microsoft and other companies.

Anyway, if anyone reads or wants to exchange comments on this, let’s start a separate thread to do that; this is “mostly” my space to journal what’s going on and what I’m doing and running on a given day.

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Brian Masinick

ABSTRACT

DEBIAN —
The first alpha release of the Debian Installer to be used by Debian 12 “Bookworm” is now available for early testing.

Overnight the first alpha release of the installer set to power Debian 12 “Bookworm” was released for testing. Debian Installer Bookworm Alpha 1 pulls in the Linux 5.19 kernel, harmonizing of the UEFI and BIOS boot menus, speech synthesis will now automatically start after a 30 second timeout, Microsoft Windows 11 detection support is now wired up, experimental DMRAID support was dropped, and a variety of other package updates.

Full article at https://www.phoronix.com/news/Debian-12-Alpha-1-Installer

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Brian Masinick

[Member Robin]

stevesr0 wrote:

I made the Windows boot manager the initial selection, …

In my understanding this implies: Windows is installed on a second physical drive. Is this assumption correct?

stevesr0 wrote:

…first trying this with F12, then by going into the UEFI Boot menu and altering the order of the boot drives.

Then this implies something is wrong with the windows hdd boot sector itself. (Maybe you’ve managed unintentionally to install a grub there also, overwriting the windows bootsector of this drive) Otherwise using the direct boot to a specific physical medium via selection during startup must boot from the windows drive, whithout seeing the grub on the other hdd at all. Make sure you’ve set BIOS or UEFI to “don’t try other boot devices”. When booting this way it should display something like “no OS found on boot medium found” if it can’t start windows for some reason, instead of automatically booting from the next drive (which contains grub boot loader). You could even try to disable the second hdd completely in BIOS for testing purpose, or plug it off physically for this test. Then Windows must come up, otherwise the Windows installation is damaged and needs to be fixed in the first place. So repair the windows installation.

After you’ve made sure windows can boot when the second hdd is not present, then plug in, add or activate the second hdd containing linux and grub bootmanager again. Check that you can boot into windows still when using the early boot selector provided by BIOS/UEFI. If this works, boot to the second boot medium containing grub and linux the same way.

Now you need to make grub aware of this windows system on the other hdd. For this it is crucial to have this windows and efi drive properly in your fstab, so it can be seen by the grub menu config tools. Try mounting both of them using the ntfs and vfat mount option, e.g. sudo mount -t ntfs … and sudo mount -t vfat … for the efi partition.
Make sure your grub.cfg in use (or /etc/default/grub) contains the string GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=false. You need to update-grub or grub-mkconfig -o /path/to/grub.cfg to copy the changes to your grub.cfg, it should recognise the windows install on the other hdd and add the respective entry to the grub menu now.

If grub still doesn’t recognise the windows on the other hdd, you can try to add a chainload manually to the grub.cfg

menuentry "Windows" {
insmod part_gpt
insmod chain
set root=(hd0,gpt1)
chainloader /EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
}

where the entry behind set root= is to be set to your actual findings, it must point to the efi boot partition, not the windows partition itself. You can get the proper partition and drive naming as grub sees it during boot, when entering grub console while startup and use the ls command in it. Refer to grub manual for details about naming convention.

If no efi partition present, and windows runs plainly on ntfs the entry would look like this:

menuentry "Windows" {
	insmod chain
	insmod ntfs
	set root=(hd0,1)
	chainloader +1
}

Also here you need to modify the values behind set root= to your actual findings. But no idea whether the modern windows versions will accept this way without efi, this is how I did id for Win2000/XP systems long ago. Anyway, it’s worth trying.

Don’t forget update-grub or grub-mkconfig -o /path/to/grub.cfg always after manually editing the grub config to make the effects take place in the boot menu.

Some more knowledge about grub2 configuration you’ll find in this advisory, it doesn’t care it’s from ubuntu, the concept is identically for all debian derivates.

Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

We have a wide variety of personal preferences here, and that includes either tolerance to, or complete aversion to, various network-based tools.

The full truth is that once information crosses the Internet, there are countless ways that it *could* potentially be compromised.
I’ve definitely had information compromised from time to time. As far as financial loss goes, none of those compromises resulted in any permanent loss to any financial account; one or two, which ironically came from every day places, NOT Google, NOT Firefox, and NOT any of the other “insecure” vehicles we worry about.

Also, I was a relative “pioneer” on the Internet; certainly NOT the first, and probably not the first 100-200, but probably among the early, every day regulars, and definitely BEFORE the likes of Windows 95 and the other commercial software entities that opened up public networks to the masses. Those early networks had VERY LITTLE security, and that was duly noted. By the time the use of networks became commonplace, there was at least SOME authentication required, but as history has shown, it was relatively weak.

I started doing electronic commerce in the mid 1990s; at that time, network security was certainly NOT a strong point. Even so, the only compromises I ever endured came from a local grocery store chain, my cards were protected and reissued; it had nothing whatsoever to do with Mozilla, Microsoft, Apple, or PC vendors, but it did have plenty to do with insufficient grocery store network security between their point of sale terminals and their back end business servers!

I’m not defending insecurities in browsers or claiming that any of them are defect free; all I am saying is that even after decades of use of all of these technologies, none of them, not even the breaches that we uncovered, have resulted in serious personal loss; even if some “bad guys” have my information, they’ve not done anything to me that my financial and business institutions have failed to acknowledge and appropriately protect; at least for me, that is sufficient, and given a good history of that, even an intrusion is likely to result in reasonable assurance and insurance from the providers I’ve used, because my personal and practical experience has proven that multiple times to be true. Also my local police and regulatory agencies have backed and supported me; we collaborated at least a couple times and actually CAUGHT and captured 1 or more perpetrators of intended criminal activity; can’t complain about that either!

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Brian Masinick

[Forum Admin rokytnji]

$ inxi -zv7
System:
  Kernel: 5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 10.2.1 Desktop: IceWM v: 2.9.9 vt: 7 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0
    Distro: antiX-21_x64-full Grup Yorum 31 October 2021 base: Debian
    GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: LENOVO product: 6075BHU v: ThinkCentre M57
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 3 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: LENOVO serial: <superuser required> BIOS: LENOVO
    v: 2RKT41AUS date: 03/20/2008
Battery:
  Message: No system battery data found. Is one present?
Memory:
  RAM: total: 3.58 GiB used: 872.1 MiB (23.8%)
  RAM Report: permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges
    required.
CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Pentium Dual E2160 bits: 64 type: MCP
    smt: <unsupported> arch: Core2 Merom level: v2 rev: D cache: L1: 128 KiB
    L2: 1024 KiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1675 high: 1769 min/max: 1200/1800 cores: 1: 1769
    2: 1581 bogomips: 7182
  Flags: acpi aperfmperf apic arch_perfmon bts clflush cmov constant_tsc
    cpuid cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts est fpu fxsr ht lahf_lm lm mca
    mce mmx monitor msr mtrr nopl nx pae pat pbe pdcm pebs pge pni pse pse36
    pti rep_good sep sse sse2 ssse3 syscall tm tm2 tsc vme xtpr
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel 82Q35 Express Integrated Graphics vendor: Lenovo
    driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-4 ports: active: VGA-1 empty: none
    bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:29b2 class-ID: 0300
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: intel
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: i915 display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1280x1024 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 338x270mm (13.31x10.63")
    s-diag: 433mm (17.03")
  Monitor-1: VGA-1 mapped: VGA1 model: ViewSonic VA912-3SERIES
    serial: <filter> res: 1280x1024 hz: 60 dpi: 86
    size: 380x300mm (14.96x11.81") diag: 482mm (19") modes: max: 1280x1024
    min: 720x400
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Q35 v: 1.4 Mesa 20.3.5
    direct render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 82801I HD Audio vendor: Lenovo driver: snd_hda_intel
    v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:293e class-ID: 0403
  Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp running: yes
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82566DM-2 Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo driver: e1000e
    v: kernel port: 1820 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:10bd class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter type: USB driver: r8712u
    bus-ID: 2-6.4:5 chip-ID: 0bda:8172 class-ID: 0000 serial: <filter>
  IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
  IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter>
  IP v6: <filter> scope: link
  WAN IP: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Message: No bluetooth data found.
Logical:
  Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
  Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 298.09 GiB used: 29.39 GiB (9.9%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD3200AAKS-00B3A0
    size: 298.09 GiB speed: <unknown> type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 3A01
    scheme: MBR
  Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: HL-DT-ST model: RW/DVD GCC-H30N rev: 1.02
    dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd
  Features: speed: 48 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw
    state: running
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 252.52 GiB used: 29.39 GiB (11.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda4
    label: rootantiX21 uuid: f1b7ea1f-dd9f-479b-8bf1-56d1ac2e1a8b
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 3.91 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2
    dev: /dev/sda2 label: N/A uuid: 83f3c3a7-56c1-4666-b6ba-87069c6ee9cf
Unmounted:
  ID-1: /dev/sda1 size: 36.56 GiB fs: ext4 label: N/A
    uuid: 5091df41-e1b4-4c73-a7bf-a05357b81d9a
  ID-2: /dev/sda3 size: 1024 KiB fs: ext4 label: /data
    uuid: cfc7c48a-7166-4682-bb9a-8da7af996851
USB:
  Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 6 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 1-2:2 info: Super Top USB Mass Storage Device
    type: Mass Storage driver: usb-storage interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s power: 400mA chip-ID: 14cd:8168 class-ID: 0806
    serial: <filter>
  Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 6 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-3: 2-6:4 info: Super Top 4-Port hub ports: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 14cd:8601 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 2-6.4:5 info: Realtek RTL8191SU 802.11n WLAN Adapter
    type: Network driver: r8712u interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    power: 500mA chip-ID: 0bda:8172 class-ID: 0000 serial: <filter>
  Hub-4: 3-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-5: 4-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-6: 5-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-7: 6-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-8: 7-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 7-1:2 info: Microsoft Wheel Mouse Optical type: Mouse
    driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 045e:0040 class-ID: 0301
  Hub-9: 8-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 2 rev: 1.1
    speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 8-1:2 info: IBM NetVista Full Width Keyboard type: Keyboard
    driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 04b3:3025 class-ID: 0301
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 59.0 C mobo: N/A
  Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
Info:
  Processes: 137 Uptime: 8m wakeups: 1 Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5
  default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Packages: pm: dpkg pkgs: 1610
  Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 running-in: roxterm inxi: 3.3.21
harry@shop:~

acpi bios boot error messages out the ying yang but this old war horse is still the shop jukebox and manual holder. Loaner when person needs it also.
Just updated again today.

Sometimes I drive a crooked road to get my mind straight.
Not all who Wander are Lost.
I'm not outa place. I'm from outer space.

Linux Registered User # 475019
How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problems

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

Yeah, I hope that I don’t bore too many people with those stories, but nobody HAS to read any of them. Glad you find them interesting.

I’ve never been to New Orleans, my spouse has been there in the past, and she’s also a record holding para-olympian. Chances are her records will hold, because 1) when they did carry the sports, most of them were male/female categories, and 2) from what I understand, the events have changed.
She competed in Seuol South Korea and Atlanta, Georgia, in addition to local and regional events in Michigan. She’s a retired teacher with specialties in speech, language, and counseling. As a teacher-educator, her peers used to tease her for relatively limited skills – until they moved from Windows to Chromebooks; ever since, she’s been good at it. In our retirement community, there are a modest number of people who are good at technology, though as the number of residents born in the fifties increases, the number of technically capable people increase.

On committees, she’s the computer expert; her ability as a counselor to listen and take notes, coupled with reasonable computer skills make her highly sought out. Meanwhile I’m not active in committees, but the word has gotten out that I’m a retired computer professional; it’s like I walk on water to some of the people; I’ve fixed problems on Mac computers and tablets, and several Windows users. I continually ask people what they use their computers for. In 100% of the cases they could easily use either antiX or a Chromebook, but there have been few takers. I recommended a Chromebook to one person; they bought some expensive Apple product, only to admit less than a month later that the Chromebook would have been easier and far less expensive.

I’ve found Apple Safari and their word processor to be over the heads of every single person who has asked for help.

Similarly the people who use Microsoft Word and Microsoft Edge would be better off with Google Chrome and a Chromebook, though if I could convince anyone with an older computer to let me do it, I could “custom configure” an antiX setup with a browser and desktop icons to get them to exactly what they use, nothing more, nothing less. Years ago I set up antiX on a Dell D600 series laptop that was running out of juice; I asked my mom at the time what she needed and set it up perfectly; later I did the same for a neighbor and it worked for both of them!

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Brian Masinick

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

@astronut: Welcome to antiX. As for me, I’m a “transported” Yankee, born in Detroit, Michigan, raised in a small northeastern suburb of Detroit called “Fraser, Michigan”, studied Computer Science at Michigan Technological University in Houghton, Michigan – Western Upper Peninsula, about 560 miles from my home to the university.

While at Michigan Tech I got an extremely brief “peek” at a UNIX system running on a PDP-11/45, but it didn’t have any networking active and I got no good sense on how it worked. Just a couple of years into my professional career, however, I had the opportunity to join a small group charged with product research – personal computers and departmental computing, two things that hadn’t yet become prevalent in large corporations.

We really ended up liking UNIX and we got a bunch of NCR Tower systems. They ran well, but they had one early design flaw: they had an under-performing network card. What would happen is that we could establish one major interconnection to a mainframe service, but if we connected to two or more of the services at the same time, the network modules would disconnect one or both of the networks.

The network engineer from NCR told me that he had designed the network and he chose an inexpensive network card to use in his prototype; unfortunately it got implemented in their UNIX network server. Ultimately these issues were resolved, PLUS we found some SunOS servers that could get the job done.

This work, coupled with some assignments with the network telephony organization at General Motors led me to my first job change, taking me to Digital Equipment Corporation in Merrimack, NH. The group I joined was a marketing and engineering partnership with telephony companies, such as AT&T, MCI, Sprint, and the local Telco companies that were split from AT&T in the 1984 split. Most of these companies were already using UNIX systems for their engineering, but they, like everyone else, were starting to use Email and “desktop automation”.

Some companies started to move to personal computers, as they became more functional, but in the eighties, large companies still used large server computers running mainframe software for payroll and business intelligence, UNIX systems for their engineering services, and a variety of things for everything else.

All of this pre-dated Linux systems by 5-8 years, though when Linux emerged, I tracked it closely and predicted that it would be low priced Linux, with the flexibility of UNIX with much lower cost – entirely free for downloaded versions, and relatively modest prices for commercial support.

True desktop Linux has never really arrived – except in the guise of “Chromebooks”, which DO use Linux kernels. Overwhelmingly phones and tablets use Linux (Android contains Linux kernels), iOS uses a modified Carnegie Mellon MACH micro-kernel with FreeBSD POSIX API’s – https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7289983 tells a more accurate and complete story; suffice to say that iOS and Android have different approaches, yet pretty similar roots.

So between UNIX, Linux, Apple’s proprietary systems, and even “some” of Microsoft’s stuff today, they all utilize at least some of the ideas from the AT&T Bell System Laboratories work and the XEROX Park work that dates back to the 1960s. Needless to say, in my opinion the overall industry is overdue for a complete paradigm shift, but that could still take years; the stuff we have today is mature, well entrenched, and until someone demonstrates features, capabilities and a compelling reason to move on, the pendulum for change will be slow.

Fortunately, we can “trail” the cutting edge stuff with a really small, fast, efficient system called antiX. While it can use OLD equipment, it’s close to cutting edge with effective use of inexpensive devices, such as cheap removable USB disks and SSD technology. I use antiX on a current generation Acer laptop and a bunch of older, “cast-away” machines that other people were ready to dump.

All of this stuff happened during the course of my career; I’m recently retired to Greenville, SC, so I gave up “Yankee” status to enjoy the pleasures of one of the original 13 colonies, South Carolina. Ironically enough, I lived in a community in Michigan called “The Colonies” and my street was “South Carolina Drive”. Little did we know at the time that we’d move to South Carolina. My wife has 2-3 relatives who moved here, leading us to visit; we liked it and chose South Carolina as our retirement choice.

Louisiana is one of a half dozen to dozen of the states I’ve never actually set foot in; I’ve been to Alabama, Georgia, Florida, Arizona, and Texas among the southern states, plus California and Washington on the West Coast, and ALL of the Atlantic Coast states.

Now that you know some of my geographical sites and a summary of my computer and professional history, I hope we can have some enjoyable exchanges as we discuss antiX software.

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Brian Masinick

In a recent update Microsoft removed a number of secure boot keys from user
systems without warning or consent.
For a number of users breaking dual boot functionality.

Seems that may well constitute the crime of computer sabotage according to
german law.

Really time for EU wide legislation to make these kind of actions by US Monopoly
holders so expensive in fines that they are forced to behave in a reasonable manner.

Wonder if debian will reconsider the relationship with their platinum partner.
I doubt it as money talks…

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

Look how far things have come!
For quite a while after Linux came out, UNIX was a popular server environment. No UNIX vendor, except possibly Sun Microsystems, took UNIX seriously enough make a solid business. Oracle nearly did it but lost both UNIX and database business to Linux based servers and freely available database systems.

Microsoft beat some of these for a few decades but also lost business to less expensive options.

There are always ways to overcome these things but as soon as one environment is adopted another one or a migration is already underway.

Mark my words the systems we’re using now are due for more significant changes. antiX can live on, yet the most modern systems are well overdue for evolutionary changes.

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Brian Masinick

After a short period with graphics bliss nvidia updates give below error. Any ideas welcome as
many users have fairly modern cards installed or built in to devices. naughty sid is hard to
blame as the drivers directly from Nvidia also throw same error. More like the lunacy from
mr microsoft hero pottering to blame.

Open drivers give terrible graphics performance and screen tearing performance on my system.

xserver-xorg-video-nvidia : depends on: xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.20.99) but 2:21.1.4-1.0nosystemd1
will be installed.

[Member madibi]

roland wrote:

I am particularly interested in doing away with the cable connection to my HP4100N laser printer, and making it available to every pc not just one.

I did a brief research on your printer.
The spech sheet concerning the network connectivity reports as follow:

network connectivity
hp LaserJet 4100 printers:
• Bidirectional IEEE 1284-compliant parallel interface
• Two open EIO expansion slots for optional HP JetDirect 610N (EIO) Internal Print
Servers for Ethernet 10BaseT, 10Base2, 100BaseTX, LocalTalk and Token Ring
networks
• Fast Infrared port for optional infrared receiver
hp LaserJet 4100n, 4100tn, and 4100dtn printers:
• HP JetDirect 610N (EIO) Internal Print Server for Ethernet 10/100 Base-TX Fast
Ethernet network environments
• Fast Infrared port and receiver (optional)
• Bidirectional IEEE 1284-compliant parallel interface
• One open EIO expansion slot for optional HP and third-party accessories.
• HP JetSend enabled
• Automatic switching between languages and ports
• HP Web JetAdmin requires installation on one of the following network servers:
Microsoft Windows NT, IBM OS/2 Warp, HP-UX or Solaris
• HP JetDirect 610N (EIO) Internal Print Servers support all major network operating
systems and provide flash memory for future upgrades

So it should be better to know exactly which is the cable that connects your printer to your pc (I suppose the parallel – if you have the eth there is no prob, in fact you can plug in it directly in the network switch and tell to the others pc to connect to the printer).

In case your printer can’t be connected directly to the lan, nor via eth or via wifi, as extrema ratio in order to share the printer, you can let the cables, routers and switches exactly as they are now and only change the settings of the cups function on your pc, telling to your cups that you want to share the printer. The only negative aspect of the latter solution is that to print from any PC on the network, the PC to which the printer is connected must be switched on.

Good luck
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• This reply was modified 8 months, 3 weeks ago by madibi.