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  • #49352
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    Brian Masinick

      Yeah, there are a few things about the article that are questionable.

      Skidoo caught one. What’s up with”buying antiX? If that’s even possible, is any revenue going directly to anticapitalista to pay for servers and other things?

      The reviews seem to be alphabetical but as I was looking through them I had difficulty even finding antiX, much less receiving a complete review, though the comments are generally positive.

      What’s important to me and to many of us here apparently didn’t cross the minds of the reviewers.

      * antiX is one of the finest Linux distributions that can:
      — run directly from CD, DVD, removable USB drive or hard drives
      — offer a variety of ways to operate – installed on the various media mentioned above, save a persistent state on a hard drive that can be quickly access from the removal boot media. Included is the frugal boot.
      *antiX is very lean, contains fast, efficient software
      *antiX is stable, using reliable software from the stable Debian release
      *antiX is very flexible and it can be used in many ways and customized for individual requirements and preference

      Lots more to say.

      Feel free to add your own thoughts and comments on antiX and why you use it.

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      Brian Masinick

      #48893
      Anonymous

        > how to correctly contribute to a project
        Even without git installed on their local machine, someone can have a github account (and or gitlab and or other git/cvs projecting sites) and login n browse projects, looking for typos in docs and other non “coding” fixes. They can click “clone this project” and, in the cloned copy residing in their useraccount repo… edit the files, upload images, make whatever changes… then click “submit merge request”. The upstream project maintainer(s) will be notified of the pending merge. After inspecting the proposed changes, the maintainer may post a message to ask questions or suggest alterations, or may immediately approve the merge and just_like_that… your contrib is part of the project.

        With the git software installed on your local system (or on a dedicated LANserver), you can “host” repositories and grant permissions for your machine and others on the LAN… or (not my cuppa tea) open a firewall port and share/host project repositories with others. If you did (host), the barebones git software is commandline only. For a user-facing gui, you could install the (very same) web-facing software that “gitlab.com” is running. Also, “gitea” (and a couple other opensource flavors) providing webgui frontends are available.

        aside:
        Git has a lot of features, most of which I’ve never used.

        After “apt install git” on your local system, you can (a “for instance” workflow):

        Login to gitlab.com, navigate to the .com/antix-linux/slim-antix page
        and click “clone this project”. Within a few seconds, you’ll be redirected to a freshly-created copy, owned by you, residing at .com/myuserspace/slim-antix

        Immediately afterward, from commandline on your local machine, you can:

        cd /some/directory
        git clone https://gitlab.com/myuserspace/slim-antix

        That operation will mkdir /some/directory/slim-antix
        and download into it, via https, a copy of the master branch of your remote slim-antix project repository.

        Few (very few, if any) among the antix projects have multiple “branches” (branches other than “master”)
        and offhand I don’t even recall the exact syntax for cloning an alternate branch.
        That’s okay “git -help” or “man git” is always available, as needed.

        After editing/adding files within your directory /some/directory/slim-antix
        (which, technically, is a local git repo ~~ can be made accessible to others on your LAN)
        “git add *” will create a manifest of altered files and
        “git commit” will (hmm, terminology?) ‘post’ them into the project, after prompting you to type a brief description of the changes in the commit. For me, the editor which pops open when I type “git commit” is nano; more often than not, I simply type a dot (anything, so that the ‘msg’ is non-blank) then Ctrl+x then “Y”.

        If your download via “git clone httsomeremote” intent was to just grab a copy of the software and tweak/compile for your own use, the “add” and “commit” operations are probably pointless. (Idunno — you might care to optionally install one of several a git-gui client apps which provide a view of commitlogs/branches, or print-n-grep commitlogs on the commandline). You can immediately “cp /some/directory/slim-antix /some/place” and compile. You could, alternatively, compile right in the downloaded directory (and discard that dir afterward) but I recommend against doing so.

        When you are ready to share/publish to the remotely-hosted copy of the project you are working on:
        git push https://gitlab.com/myuserspace/slim-antix

        The remote server (or the local git software, in advance of contacting the remote server)
        will present a commandline username+password prompt, then will upload the freshly-edited files.
        Immediately afterward, by refreshing you web browser page, you can note the changes are now reflected in the remote copy.

        Next (and finally), click “send merge request” button on your gitlab project page.
        -=-
        Caveat: some users have (via preferences at gitlab site) email alert notifications enabled, others don’t. I have sent merge requests which have sat unnoticed for well over a year. Conversely, some of my projects have received merge requests (or “issue ticket” messages) which have remained unnoticed (by me) for several months.
        -=-
        Via your account page on gitlab, you can track the status (pending/merged/rejected) of merge requests you’ve sent (as well as tickets you’ve opened, or participated in, etc.)
        -=-
        You know (but others reading this may not) gitlab.com is a separate entity from github.com, requires a separate account. While logged in at the gitlab site, you can clone or import projects hosted at github URLs or hosted at salsa.debian.org or git.devuan.dev or any other publicly accessible githosting server.

        #48528

        In reply to: Login Manager

        Member
        marcelocripe

          Skidoo,

          Apparently you have not done so ~~ if you had, the meaning should have been OBVIOUS.

          I did not do this because I did not understand if it is to run the file “slim.theme” in antiX, or if it is to open the code. I just read the code. “Slim.theme” reminds me of CSS formatting files for HTML pages.

          So if the “photo from a camera”, according to your example, represents the image from the “panel.png” file, I believe it can be modified. Or not?

          It makes no sense, not being able to replace an image that is used in a program, especially in the “Linux world”. You have revised antiX inside out! They develop fantastic programs that consume the least possible resources (RAM and processor) and that we only have available in antiX or MX Linux.

          I know we’re both talking about details … I’m going to write the way I see HTML forms, I know very well that what you program is not just HTML. If “Username”, “Password” and “Login” are not texts of similar form entries <label for = “name”> or <input type = “text” id = “name” /> can be edited, but if they are texts, but a “photo”, so why can’t we change the “sign photo”?

          The texts translated on the transifex website of the “antix-user_ents” and user-managementpot files practically allow the “panel.png” image to be translated into all languages. Skidoo, I already know that you do not have access to the transifex website, you told me that on the other topic. I’m just indicating where it is possible to copy the texts and so we can prepare an image for each language. The languages ​​Brazilian Portuguese and Portuguese Portuguese I have access to on the transifex website and I can prepare both images, in addition to Spanish, due to the similarity in the writing of the language. There would be three less jobs for the team. I just need to know the font type, the font size and which program I should use to be able to collaborate with a relatively simple activity.

          If that can’t be done, that’s fine. At least I tried … I appreciate all your attention and explanations.

          marcelocripe
          (Original text in Brazilian Portuguese)

          ———-

          Skidoo,

          Apparently you have not done so ~~ if you had, the meaning should have been OBVIOUS.

          Eu não fiz isso porque eu não entendi se é para executar no antiX o arquivo “slim.theme”, ou se é para abrir o código. Eu apenas li o código. O “slim.theme” me lembra arquivos de formatação CSS das páginas HTML.

          Então se a “foto de uma câmera”, conforme o seu exemplo, representa a imagem do arquivo “panel.png”, eu acredito que ela possa ser modificada. Ou não?

          Não faz sentido, não ser possível substituir uma imagem que é utilizada em um programa, ainda mais no “mundo Linux”. Vocês reviram o antiX do avesso! Desenvolvem programas fantásticos que consomem o mínimo possível de recursos (memória RAM e processador) e que só temos disponíveis no antiX ou no MX Linux.

          Eu sei que nós dois estamos conversando sobre detalhes … Eu vou escrever da forma que eu enxergo formulários em HTML, eu sei muito bem que o que vocês programam não são simples HTML. Se “Username”, “Password” e “Login” não são textos de entradas de formulário semelhantes <label for=”nome”> ou <input type=”text” id=”nome” /> podem ser editados, mas se são textos e sim uma “foto”, então porque não poderemos mudar a “foto do letreiro”?

          Os textos traduzidos no site transifex dos arquivos “antix-user_ents” e user-managementpot praticamente permitem traduzir para todos os idiomas a imagem “panel.png”. Skidoo, já eu sei que você não possui acesso ao site transifex, você me contou isso no outro tópico. Eu só estou indicando onde é possível copiar os textos e assim podermos preparar uma imagem para cada idioma. Os idiomas Português do Brasil e Português de Portugal eu tenho acesso no site transifex e posso preparar as duas imagens, além do Espanhol, devido a semelhança na escrita do idioma. Seriam três trabalhos a menos para a equipe. Eu só preciso saber o tipo da fonte, o tamanho da fonte e o qual programa que eu devo utilizar para poder colaborar com uma atividade relativamente simples.

          Se isso não for possível de ser feito, tudo bem. Ao menos eu tentei … Eu agradeço por toda a sua atenção e explicações.

          marcelocripe
          (Texto original em Português do Brasil)

          #48525

          In reply to: Login Manager

          Anonymous

            would suffice if there was a “slim-pt-br” and it would display the “pt-br” image containing the text in the Brazilian Portuguese language, as follows: “Nome de Usuário” and “Senha” as well as a slim and an image and for each language. Standard Slim displays text in English and could still be identified by slim-en.

            Is this feasible?

            No, it is not feasible.
            For SLiM it is outright impossible.

            Could slim receive information on which image to display via another script?

            No, it could not.
            Here, I will reiterate:
            If you tell the sign “but I speak a different language”, the text of the sign will still be displayed in English.

            To achieve locale-specific messaging on the login screen, you (as local sysadmin, or antiX overall) must replace slim with an alternative login manager program. The only candidate program available as an alternative is “LightDM“.

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            edited to add this aside:
            I have onhand a copy of the sourcecode for LightDM version 1.2.6, cloned from a git.devuan.dev project repository. Its code is chock-full of frilly (and corporate-workstation-centric) “features”. After paring away “guest logins” support, along with systemd and apparmor support… I still would not be comfortable using it on my local machines until/unless I nixed its (support for, aka dependence upon) “accountservice“. Hmm, grabbing that link, I just noticed that the lightdm package only Suggests (doesn’t Depend) accountservice…

            #48523

            In reply to: Login Manager

            Anonymous

              “not dynamic” meaning “static, unchanging”

              If you buy a camera and snap a photo of an English sign, the text in the photo will be Engish text.

              If you tell the sign “but I speak a different language”, the text of the sign will still be displayed in English.

              When the SLiM login screen is displayed, it is unaware of YOUR language. The displayed text is static, unchanging.

              _______________

              Toward understanding, I did direct you to visit the themes directory and inspect (view) the imagefiles which are loaded for the SLiM screen. Apparently you have not done so ~~ if you had, the meaning should have been OBVIOUS.

              Anonymous

                https://gitlab.com/skidoo/clipski

                Project rationale:

                clipski (forked from ClipIt) is a tray-resident GTK+ gui clipboard manager

                Although clipit does provide a –with-gtk3 compile option,
                its debian package has been orphaned, and debian has
                chosen to “deprecate” clipit as of the debian 11(Bullseye) release.

                Both clipit and parcellite tout their lightweighted-ness, yet both
                have become fraught with longstanding and/or recurrent bugs related to
                frilly (and proprietary, desktop environment -specific) features added along the way.
                Appatanyaindicator thingie and guh-nome ‘eggaccelerators’? Thanks, no thanks.

                Parcellite is (as of Dec 2020) still slated for inclusion in Debian 11,
                but it is ‘GTK2-only’, so will soon be be dropped from debian.
                ( ref: https://sources.debian.org/src/parcellite/1.2.1-3/debian/control/ )

                An alternative, Qt-based clipboard manager GUI utility (CopyQ), remains available
                in Debian11… but (as tested on a 64bit system) its runtime memory footprint is 50MB+ !

                Why use a “clipboard manager” ?

                * copied text (and, optionally, any selected text) remains available for immediate pasting
                even if the program you are copying from closes / exits / crashes

                * provides an option to Purge history after a configurable timeout
                (in case you are copypasting passwords)

                background reading:

                article titled “X Window selection”
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_selection

                What is the difference between Primary Selection and Clipboard Buffer?
                https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/139191/whats-the-difference-between-primary-selection-and-clipboard-buffer

                https://askubuntu.com/questions/7769/keyboard-shortcut-for-pasting-the-primary-selection

                https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/clipboard

                ((( for even more background reading, websearch “linux primary selection” )))

                clipski features:

                * monitor Ctrl+C clipboard events and/or primary selection events
                * optionally, capture content of primary selection events into clipboard
                * optionally, maintain a history list of your copied snippets
                * optionally, purge history list and clipboard content after specified timeout
                * ability to edit and/or pin items (make permanent in history list)
                * as-you-type filtered history search
                * ability to selectively exclude from history (specified window names, strings, or regex)
                * optionally, trim whitespace from each newly added snippet

                ~~~~ This project repository provides a debfile,
                packaged for use with antiX 19 (and debian buster repositories): clipski_1.4.6_amd64.deb

                ________________________________________________

                How to DIY compile, create debfile, and install clipski (on an antiX or debian system)

                note: As of v1.4.6, clipski COMPILES AGAINST GTK3 ONLY (NOT GTK2 aka libgtk-2.*-dev)

                ### manually download the clipski source code, or
                sudo apt install git
                mkdir -p /path/to/holdingpen # e.g. ~/Downloads/tmp
                cd /path/to/holdingpen
                git clone https://gitlab.com/skidoo/clipski

                cd /path/to/holdingpen
                sudo apt install build-essential fakeroot debhelper intltool libgtk-3-dev
                dpkg-buildpackage -b
                sudo apt install /path/to/holdingpen/clipski_1.4.6_suffix.deb
                # ( dpkg-buildpackage places the debfie in the parent directory above your holdingpen )
                # The exact debfile name, above, varies depending on your system architecture.
                # Immediately afterward, to cleanup, you can optionally followup with:
                # cd .. && rm -rf /path/to/holdingpen

                All set. To launch the program, type: clipski

                #48267
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                wb8tyw

                  With that script, things are working after login.

                  Before login, the default configuration is used, which is not real useful of a default.

                  The remaining problem is that before login, the second screen is assumed to be on the left side of the laptop monitor, and is also apparently defined as the default monitor.

                  That would not be so bad, but the login box, instead of being centered on the laptop monitor as would be expected, has the left half with the text prompts on the right side of the external monitor on the right side the box where you type in data on the left edge of the laptop monitor.

                  This laptop is too old to support UHD displays.

                  As far as networking goes I have two sub networks behind NAT Wifi routers. The main network is wired to the laptop, the Wifi is connected to the second network which when the laptop is at home is primarily used for network attached storage. The second network is currently NATed to the primary NATed network. I am not sure that long term I will keep that second NAT connection, right now it is mainly used so that I can access that NAT Wifi router from the primary network.

                  #48209
                  Member
                  wb8tyw

                    Thanks, I found my missing step for the initramfs setup.

                    I do not know why, but I could not find the “cat /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d” file to modify when tried it before.

                    cat /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
                    RESUME=UUID=f12e9c91-d804-4bb6-87cc-4d182023cd8b resume_offset=17137664

                    Once that file was created, and the sudo dpkg-reconfigure uswsusp run, then I can do a s2both, pull power from the desktop and then after power up it boots to a resume.

                    So it looks like the uswsusp from the Debian buster/main respository does not have the instructions to update the initramfs-tools configuration. So for better support this, an anti-x packaging is needed.

                    Apparently still missing parts:

                    * It looks like whatever monitors the battery or UPS power may not know how to do the s2disk when the battery gets too low.
                    * The system will still not suspend on the laptop lid being closed. I think I saw an article on how to fix that.

                    #48071
                    Moderator
                    Brian Masinick

                      If the Debian security repo is included you can get security updates.

                      I suppose that in a practical way there are perpetual updates, though this alone isn’t usually associated with the “rolling release” model.

                      A Debian Testing or Sid configuration or a typical Arch Linux setup has much more frequent application updates and would be similar to the capability of a rolling release.

                      Endeavor OS, an Arch Linux derivative, is an example of a system that offers similar abilities.

                      I have not used a straight Arch Linux setup for several years. Sabayon Linux, Endeavor OS and Debian Sid have been the most recent distributions I have been using with a packaging system that can be used for long periods of time, but apparently do not meet the true definition of a ‘rolling release’.

                      Actually I also have openSUSE Tumbleweed and it has been working well and it also allows for regular package updates.

                      Given the correct definition of a ‘rolling release’ compare it and evaluate whether these or others meet your actual needs, then decide if it’s actually the rolling release that you need or the ability to update the software and/or upgrade the system.

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                      Anonymous

                        Confirmed via wireshark, it is indeed NTP related.
                        Something is, stupidly, asking ~~ every 2 seconds ~~ to re-verify the DNS address of an NTP server.

                        Considered (by me) to be a non-essential service, ntp was not running when I tested, screencapped, and opened this topic.

                        Further testing, following “sudo apt purge ntp”… the 2sec loopy behavior persists.
                        minpoll is apparently governed by some implicit default; “grep -ir ‘minpoll’ /etc” finds nothing

                        Further testing, discovered and purged package “ntpdate”. The 2sec loopy behavior persists.

                        In the wireshark output, the only active entities are “avahi-daemon” and “connmand”.
                        ^–v
                        sudo ps -aux | grep -e avahi grep -e connman
                        ^–v
                        via “strace -p <high-numbered pid connman process>”, we can note this is the culprit process.

                        /etc/connmand/main.conf
                        its content (as shipped) is entirely outcommented

                        /etc/connmand/resolv.conf
                        is (as shipped?) a broken symlink
                        pointing to
                        “../run/connman/resolv.conf”
                        (not pointing to the existing file present in the “/run/…” tree)
                        I don’t know whether the broken symlink is the cause, or is an unrelated detail.

                        #47482
                        Anonymous

                          spam found within antiX19 desktop-session log
                          apparently stemming from the shipped fluxbox/keys file:

                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 18): OnRightGrip Move1 :StartResizing bottomright
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 19): OnWindowBorder Move1 :StartMoving
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 24): OnTitlebar Mouse1 :MacroCmd {Focus} {Raise} {ActivateTab}
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 26): OnTitlebar Move1 :StartMoving
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 27): OnLeftGrip Move1 :StartResizing bottomleft
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 28): OnRightGrip Move1 :StartResizing bottomright
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 29): OnWindowBorder Move1 :StartMoving
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 34): OnTitlebar Mouse1 :MacroCmd {Focus} {Raise} {ActivateTab}
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 36): OnTitlebar Move1 :StartMoving
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 37): OnLeftGrip Move1 :StartResizing bottomleft
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 38): OnRightGrip Move1 :StartResizing bottomright
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 39): OnWindowBorder Move1 :StartMoving
                          Keys: Invalid key/modifier on line 182): Control Mod1 Backspace :Minimize
                          #47358
                          Member
                          seaken64

                            I have seen this on several of my machines over the years. I had always assumed it was because the video driver had not been sorted out yet. It always clears up and continues to boot to the GUI with no apparent problems. I never considered it a bug or a concern. Maybe because it is simply a cosmetic issue?

                            Seaken64

                            Member
                            andyprough

                              chromium is in Debian main unlike virtualbox (in contrib).
                              So it is free since Debian follows the FSF for all debs in main. I think.

                              Also these should also stay IMO:

                              HP_printing.pm
                              java.pm

                              What about
                              waterfox_classic.pm
                              waterfox_current.pm

                              You are right, both Debian and the FSF-approved PureOS include chromium. If that’s the case, then I would prefer that brave.pm be included on the libre list, since Brave apparently doesn’t add any proprietary code to chromium, and Trinity College in Dublin earlier this year found that Brave was the one browser that did not phone home user data.[1]

                              On HP_printing.pm – looks like you are right, Debian main does include hplip, which from my review included “mixed” gpl and commercial code. So that one’s OK if the libre list is following Debian.

                              On java.pm – Debian includes all the different versions of openjdk. As long as java.pm is a pointer for installing openjdk packages, that should be fine on the libre list.

                              On waterfox_classic.pm and waterfox_current.pm (and waterfox_g3.pm by extension) – Debian does not include them, but I can’t find anything showing that they are proprietary. Everything I read indicates they are under the same Mozilla public license as Firefox. I think the reason Debian excludes Waterfox is probably the same trademarks of artwork and brand name that kept Debian from including Firefox for several years until recently. Debian appears to exclude Waterfox, Palemoon and Brave on this same basis – free software that trademarks its artwork and brand name. I don’t personally agree with Debian on this point, and I think all the Waterfox, Brave, and Palemoon .pm files should be included on the libre list, especially since the Palemoon variants are so vital to running on much older cpu’s.

                              Based on the above, I’ve attached an updated list.

                              [1] https://www.scss.tcd.ie/Doug.Leith/pubs/browser_privacy.pdf

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                              ghost_order

                                User approved, EDIT BY Moddit: PROBLEM WAS USER ERROR GRUB NOT INSTALLED

                                I’m new to Linux and am trying to install AntiX on a HTPC. After some effort, I was finally able to install it to an old SSD with no apparent issues. However, when I try to actually boot from that drive, the computer gets stuck at “verifying DMI pool data”. I did some Googling, and I think that means there’s a problem with how I formatted the drive in some way that’s preventing the OS from being able to boot. But I have no clue what I did wrong.

                                Not sure what information you need, but here’s the fdisk output for the drive in questionn. I formatted it as ext4 and was able to run sudo cli-installer with no issues. I changed the boot flag afterwards because I didn’t realize that was needed.

                                Disk /dev/sda: 232.9 GiB, 250059350016 bytes, 488397168 sectors
                                Disk model: Samsung SSD 850
                                Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
                                Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
                                I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
                                Disklabel type: dos
                                Disk identifier: 0x2a06df21

                                Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
                                /dev/sda1 * 2048 488397167 488395120 232.9G 83 Linux

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                                #46921
                                Anonymous

                                  sudo apt install –reinstall desktop-session-antix

                                  Okay, that did successfully resolve the issue. However, overnight it occurred to me to check md5sum of the ISO and, yep, md5sum mismatch! It’s embarassing to realize my apparent noobish mistake of not verifying the ISO after download.

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