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[Member macondo]

Did you overlook the availability of antiX “core” version?
No SliM, and as far as I can tell… it would fit what you described.
If you check it out, and it too misses the mark, please post back and provide a list of its unwanted (or missing) packages vs what you think would be ideal.

I will try the core, but I don’t think it will be different from the net one. In an attempt to look geeky it fails, errors appear when there is no need for it IMHO.
The regular installer (base and full) is perfect. For net and core just leave the base apps in and the rest of the apps out, including xorg. After reboot, the user installs xorg and whatever he wants, but use the SAME installer, do not invent the wheel or like we say in my neck of the woods: don’t look for a fifth leg in a cat.
I find the menus cumbersome and with too many apps some of them repeated.

Whatever hapenned to “lean and mean”? You cannot be everything to everybody, lean and bloated with apps to make life easier for windoze refugees who will not learn Linux because we are trying to make life similar to what they had before. They continue “pointing and clicking” without understanding anything.
I have to use slim, I cannot get rid of it without locking myself outta the OS,
and leaving .xinitrc unusable because slim controls most of the options that otherwise would go there. If you want to use slim fine, but let the user be able to use startx.

The way it is now, you got things networked together with the (xxxxxx.antix)dependencies, you can’t get rid of something without the .antix dependencies, it’s endemic, reminds me of systemd in a way. I will probably be thrown out of the forum, but you wanted to know what I thought 🙂

I cannot resist asking:
What is appealing in antiX?
What was lacking from the devuan+ratpoison system you already had (or still have) up-and-running?

I like:
1.No systemd
2.Installer is great.

Nothing was lacking. Curiosity. I use the bsd distros (freebsd and openbsd) to see, compare… Been using antiX on and off for many years, since anti was a
tongue-wagging revolutionary fluxbox addict. 🙂

Of course, I’m ignorant of the repercussions and politics that are involved in single-handled creating a distro, a man has to do what a man has to
do. Peace!

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antiX Core 64 Bit Runit IceWM

"Sometimes a man finds his destiny on the road he took to avoid it."

[Member macondo]

Hi BobC, I failed miserably at that. Usually, you just deinstall it with apt-get or dpkg. I am now in freebsd and installing some hd. I wrote my experience in another post which I cannot find but basically this is what I remember:
# dpkg -P slim
IIRC, gave me an error and some dependencies of slim, so I tried it again,

#dpkg -P slim dependency1.antix dependency1.antix etc
then it worked, next I went to /etc/inittab and changed the run level from 5 to 3

#nano /etc/inittab

#rebooted

no dice, I could not get in, then reverse-engineered everything and insstalled slim went to /etc/inittab and changed the run level back to 5 and rebooted.
No luck. Ended up reinstalling antix-base, in other distros this would have worked.

I found the post:

https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/launching-ratpoison/

“1. Thank you gents, went to slim.conf and put rp as the default.
It appeared on the F1 list, but never started, gave me an error, back to icewm.

2. Yesterday, I deleted/purge slim and rox-filer, conky says it is not installed, and chose “3” in the default run level at /etc/innitab, rebooted
nothing! re-installed slim, changed the run level back to 5 and rebooted, zip.
Did a quick reinstall and that’s how I am here.

3. Forgive me, am an old man, “lean and mean” to me, means no eye candy and superfluous stuff. Why slim? you still need a username and password to be entered, which can be done in startx, save space and headaches. That conky, I need it like another hole in my head, KISS it.

4.Net installation CD, is a mess! All you need is the regular installation CD (base or full) but without the apps just the base ones, the user installs xorg and whatever he wants, use .xinitrc and startx. antiX has one of the best installers hands down, quick. Grub does not fail like in other distros.
Being modern and flashy doesn’t necesarily means advanced. Just my opinion, no insult intended, last thing I want is to ruffle some feathers.”

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antiX Core 64 Bit Runit IceWM

"Sometimes a man finds his destiny on the road he took to avoid it."

[Moderator BobC]

Macondo,

Could you tell me how to eliminate slim? That would certainly help with the memory footprint on my machines. I wonder if it would break anything else? I have some newer machines with lots of memory, but also have older 32 bit ones with as low as 512 mb where a few mb does count.

Could you please post what you put in .xinitrc and startx and how you eliminated Slim?

Thanks 🙂

[Forum Admin anticapitalista]

You can do the same with antiX-net or antiX-core (better if using wireless.

Install to hard drive, then install xorg jwm and use startx

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

This is FreeBSD 11.2 the default installion comes with the base apps, reboot, install xorg and a few apps, and away you go (like
Debian, BSDs, Arch, etc). Notice the menu (simple), use startx, (you can still install Slim), no conky.
After using menumaker, you see the difference in the second screenshot.

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antiX Core 64 Bit Runit IceWM

"Sometimes a man finds his destiny on the road he took to avoid it."

[Member macondo]

BobC wrote:

I have my multimedia keys mapped as well, and for laptops thats fine, but these days most newbie users coming from windoze are used to finding icons for wifi and volume in the toolbar so they don’t have to remember the keys.

Antix standard keys for volume are ctrl+alt / and * so i leave those alone as they should be the same for all of the desktop window managers supported.

You are lucky, slin is taking 34 mb in its default configuration on my I7. I am working on reducing that somehow.

Why should we cater to the windoze crowds, shouldn’t they learn from us?
Linux is becoming windows?
that Slim takes as much ram as IceWM itself (5 megs ram) and for what? you could put the info in .xinitrc and startx…

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antiX Core 64 Bit Runit IceWM

"Sometimes a man finds his destiny on the road he took to avoid it."

[Member macondo]

PPC wrote:

BobC wrote:

And anytime you want 5.4 mb more you can remove volumeicon from startup, and add an Alsamixer icon to the toolbar to replace it.

A bit off topic:

I also use that little trick- when my RAM is low, I simply close volumeicon. I fiddled with having a quick launch button to call a volume mixer, but ended up opting to, when I want to change my volume, simply do a Menu- Run -“volumeicon”.
For me about 5 mb of RAM is a considerable percentage of my available memory…

P.

I knock off the volume icon (5 MB RAM) and that slim weighs as much as the whole icewm wm. I use keybindings for my volume:

My .icewm/keys file:

key “F1” lxterminal
key “F2” xfe
key “Ctrl+f” firefox
key “Ctrl+g” google-chrome-stable
key “Ctrl+w” waterfox
key “F7” mirage
key “F8” hexchat
key “Print” lxqterminal -e scrot -cd 10

#Sound
key “Ctrl+Down” amixer -q set Master 9%- # lower volume
key “Ctrl+Up” amixer -q set Master 9%+ # raise volume

By pressin the Control key and the Down arrow, lowers the volume, and Ctrl+Up arrow key, the opposite, saves me 5 megs ram, if only i can eliminate slim and go back to startx, another 5 megs.

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antiX Core 64 Bit Runit IceWM

"Sometimes a man finds his destiny on the road he took to avoid it."

[Anonymous]

ratpoison?
strange but true…
when I checked whether I’ve gathered any ratpoison tips in my browser bookmarks, I found two…
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1695
http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2934
and both were authored by a fella named Lou
aka macondo, which would be… YOU !

Each O/S has a different approach to handiling xinit and Xsession startup, eh?

went to slim.conf and put rp as the default.
It appeared on the F1 list, but never started, gave me an error
. . .
I deleted/purge slim and [..] chose “3” in the default run level at /etc/innitab, rebooted
nothing! re-installed slim, changed the run level back to 5 and rebooted, zip.

In another (possibly related) topic, anticapitalista pointed to a debian forum post:

http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=134425
Problem solved.
After installing xserver-xorg-legacy I needed to add the following line to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config:
needs_root_rights=yes

After this startx works for normal users. Running dbus is not necessary.

EDIT: Also need to add user to video group or /dev/dri fails to open due to lack of permission.
man Xwrapper.config

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I’m unsure which version of which antiX release you’re using (your post mentions 3 versions)

Why slim? you still need a username and password to be entered, which can be done in startx
. . .
Net installation CD, is a mess! All you need is the regular installation CD (base or full)
but without the apps just the base ones, the user installs xorg and whatever he wants, use .xinitrc and startx.

Did you overlook the availability of antiX “core” version?
No SliM, and as far as I can tell… it would fit what you described.
If you check it out, and it too misses the mark, please post back and provide a list of its unwanted (or missing) packages vs what you think would be ideal.

I cannot resist asking:
What is appealing in antiX?
What was lacking from the devuan+ratpoison system you already had (or still have) up-and-running?

[Member eugen-b]

antiX is more a kitchen sink approach, not so much KISS, IMHO. It is also focused on the final release to work OOTB as is, not so much on extensibility (as other distros like Arch for example).
Maybe the issue is specific to ratpoison session. You can disable SLiM and use startx, just try some search for documentation.
Edit: A propos Arch: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ratpoison#Ratpoison_and_display_managers

To allow display managers to find ratpoison one may need to copy the ratpoison.desktop file from /etc/X11/sessions/ratpoison.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/ratpoison.desktop. If the /usr/share/xsessions directory does not exist, create it as root.

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[Member macondo]

1. Thank you gents, went to slim.conf and put rp as the default.
It appeared on the F1 list, but never started, gave me an error, back to icewm.

2. Yesterday, I deleted/purge slim and rox-filer, conky says it is not installed, and chose “3” in the default run level at /etc/innitab, rebooted
nothing! re-installed slim, changed the run level back to 5 and rebooted, zip.
Did a quick reinstall and that’s how I am here.

3. Forgive me, am an old man, “lean and mean” to me, means no eye candy and superfluous stuff. Why slim? you still need a username and password to be entered, which can be done in startx, save space and headaches. That conky, I need it like another hole in my head, KISS it.

4.Net installation CD, is a mess! All you need is the regular installation CD (base or full) but without the apps just the base ones, the user installs xorg and whatever he wants, use .xinitrc and startx. antiX has one of the best installers hands down, quick. Grub does not fail like in other distros.
Being modern and flashy doesn’t necesarily means advanced. Just my opinion, no insult intended, last thing I want is to ruffle some feathers.

antiX Core 64 Bit Runit IceWM

"Sometimes a man finds his destiny on the road he took to avoid it."

[Member Xecure]

https://www.antixforum.com/forums/search/startx/

https://www.antixforum.com/forums/search/xinitrc/

antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.

[Anonymous]

my recommended followup search term, after startx, would be xinitrc…

F1 at the login screen to select it?

…and, in that case, you’ll discover among the search results
“on an antiX system, we must edit /etc/slim.conf and manually add the name of newly-installed desktop session
so that it will be available among the available F1 choices offered from the SLiM login”

[Anonymous]

forum search “startx” and read the previous posts by Dave, in reply to same/similar questions

[Member zeh]

Thanks linuxdaddy!

“chown -R axTest:axTest /media/home/axTest” (actually “chown -R axTest:axTest /home/axTest”) did change the ownership of everything in my home folder.

After having checked if the change had been done, I rebooted.

Still got the blank screen. Ctrl+Alt+F1 as usual, and I get the system in text mode as usual.

Logged in and tried “startx” (so, without sudo) just to see what would happen. And what happened was icewm started as before when I used “sudo startx” (it started in “Debian mode” I guess — no background image), but… it got frozen. The mouse didn’t work and I couldn’t open the menu by any other means (i.e. by the key bindings).

Hard shutdown and start again, this time using “startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session icewm” as Dave said (again, no sudo anymore). And I got icewm in “antiX mode” (antiX background image), but… frozen as well. Mouse not working and couldn’t open the menu with any key binding.

So, it looks like we managed to get one more step forward, but without having reached the end of the line so far.

And now it doesn’t look like I have a permissions issue anymore. I may very well be wrong, though, since I don’t know what is causing the freezes.

EDIT:
“startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session icewm” “startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session rox-icewm” and “startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session rox-fluxbox” all open the respective wm, frozen.

“startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session sapcefm-icewm” and “startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session spacefm-fluxbox” do not open the wm, just return the prompt in the text mode session after printing some lines of text, the last of whose reads:
“waiting for X server to shutdown (II) Server terminated successfully (0). Closing log file.ession/logxinit: connection to X ser”

It looks like the text in the line goes further but cannot be seen for getting out of the screen.

Noticed “log file.ession/logxinit” where the bit “ession” looks like a corruption of the word “session”.

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[Forum Admin Dave]

I have not done so in a while so my memory is fuzzy. At the least this may give some ideas for poking around.
From my memory having multiple x sessions in different vt (7(default)+8+9) could be done in a couple of different ways.

One way was to have several sessions opened as different users during init. I think this was done with getty and inittab… and having a session started as a specified user then immediately running startx. (which would at them moment be startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session)

Another way was to have a script that made one call per X session, but passed different vt options to the X server. IIRC the commands went something like (with addition of desktop-session)
startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session rox-icewm :1 -vt7
startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session space-fluxbox :2 -vt8
startx /usr/local/bin/desktop-session jwm :3 -vt9
This script was run manually after logging into a text session. It also used the same user account which I seem to remember some programs having a fit about multiple instances running.

There is also something in my memory about mucking with /etc/init.d/slim, and adding a second start / stop line. In between the second and first line was a mv/cp (or was it rm / ln ?)command to move the /etc/slim.conf around between multiple versions. Each version of the slim.conf had a different xserver_arguments line specifying a different vt. I cannot recall if this ever worked or not but the idea was to have slim started on 3 different spaces (Control + Alt + 7/8/9).

This was quite a while ago before I added multiple graphics cards and running with an actual multiseat sytem.
https://antixlinux.com/forum-archive/making-a-multiuser-multiseat-antix-t2729.html

Oh wow; posted in 2010! Has it really been that long?!? No wonder my memory is a little fuzzy about this LOL

Edit:
I seem to recall user BitJam also runs X in multiple vt sessions for testing. Perhaps he will chime in about it.

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