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    andfree

      As for the secondary laptop, my message will be splitted in 2 parts.
      Part 1: boot using LiveUSB, where the wi-fi works.

      $ inxi -Fxzr
      System:
        Kernel: 4.9.0-279-antix.1-486-smp i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
        Desktop: IceWM 2.8.0 Distro: antiX-21_386-base Grup Yorum 31 October 2021 
        base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
      Machine:
        Type: Laptop System: TOSHIBA product: Satellite L10 v: PSL10E-021011GE 
        serial: <filter> 
        Mobo: TOSHIBA model: Satellite L10 v: Rev 1.0 serial: <filter> 
        BIOS: TOSHIBA v: 2.40 date: 06/22/2005 
      Battery:
        ID-1: BAT0 charge: N/A condition: N/A volts: N/A model: N/A status: N/A 
      CPU:
        Info: Single Core model: Intel Pentium M bits: 32 type: MCP arch: M Dothan 
        rev: 6 cache: L2: 2 MiB 
        flags: sse sse2 bogomips: 1993 
        Speed: 1000 MHz min/max: 600/1700 MHz Core speed (MHz): 1: 1000 
      Graphics:
        Device-1: Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics vendor: Toshiba 
        driver: i915 v: kernel bus-ID: 00:02.0 
        Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: intel 
        unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa resolution: 1024x768~60Hz 
        OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 852GM/855GM x86/MMX/SSE2 
        v: 1.3 Mesa 20.3.5 direct render: Yes 
      Audio:
        Device-1: Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM AC97 Audio vendor: Toshiba 
        driver: snd_intel8x0 v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1f.5 
        Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k4.9.0-279-antix.1-486-smp running: yes 
      Network:
        Device-1: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter 
        vendor: Toshiba driver: 8139too v: 0.9.28 port: 3800 bus-ID: 02:02.0 
        IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
        Device-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG [Calexico2] Network driver: ipw2200 
        v: 1.2.2kmprq port: 3800 bus-ID: 02:04.0 
        IF: eth1 state: down mac: <filter> 
        Device-3: Qualcomm Atheros TP-Link TL-WN821N v2 / TL-WN822N v1 802.11n 
        [Atheros AR9170] 
        type: USB driver: carl9170 bus-ID: 1-4:3 
        IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
      Drives:
        Local Storage: total: 63.36 GiB used: 829.2 MiB (1.3%) 
        ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: DK23EA-60 size: 55.89 GiB 
        ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB model: USB FLASH DRIVE size: 7.47 GiB 
      Swap:
        ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 768 MiB used: 21.6 MiB (2.8%) 
        dev: /dev/sda2 
      Sensors:
        System Temperatures: cpu: 62.0 C mobo: N/A 
        Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
      Repos:
        Packages: 1204 
        Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
        1: deb http://la.mxrepo.com/antix/bullseye bullseye main nosystemd nonfree
        Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bullseye-backports.list 
        1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
        Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
        1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
        Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
        1: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free
        2: deb http://security.debian.org/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free
        No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
      Info:
        Processes: 117 Uptime: 11m Memory: 477 MiB used: 267.8 MiB (56.1%) 
        Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 
        inxi: 3.3.06

      /var/log/apt/history.log is empty.

      • This reply was modified 8 months, 2 weeks ago by andfree.
      #87667
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      andfree

        Thanks for the reply.

        As for the main laptop (boot into the installed system, where the wi-fi doesn’t work):

        $ inxi -Fxzr
        System:
          Kernel: 4.9.0-294-antix.1-486-smp arch: i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc
            v: 10.2.1 Desktop: IceWM v: 2.9.9
            Distro: antiX-21_386-base Grup Yorum 31 October 2021
            base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
        Machine:
          Type: Laptop System: TOSHIBA product: Satellite 2450 v: PS245E-03TE0-GK
            serial: <superuser required>
          Mobo: TOSHIBA model: Portable PC v: Version A0
            serial: <superuser required> BIOS: TOSHIBA v: Version 1.30 date: 03/20/2003
        CPU:
          Info: single core model: Intel Pentium 4 bits: 32 arch: Netburst Northwood
            rev: 7 cache: 512 KiB note: check
          Speed (MHz): 2793 min/max: N/A core: 1: 2793 bogomips: 5586
          Flags: ht pae sse sse2
        Graphics:
          Device-1: NVIDIA NV17M [GeForce4 420 Go] vendor: Toshiba driver: nouveau
            v: kernel arch: Kelvin bus-ID: 01:00.0
          Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: nouveau
            unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: nouveau resolution: 1024x768~60Hz
          OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI nv17 x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.2 Mesa 20.3.5
            direct render: Yes
        Audio:
          Device-1: Intel 82801DB/DBL/DBM AC97 Audio vendor: Toshiba
            driver: snd_intel8x0 v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1f.5
          Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k4.9.0-294-antix.1-486-smp running: yes
        Network:
          Device-1: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter
            vendor: Toshiba driver: 8139too v: 0.9.28 port: ce00 bus-ID: 02:09.0
          IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
        Drives:
          Local Storage: total: 100.63 GiB used: 27.36 GiB (27.2%)
          ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Toshiba model: MK1032GAX size: 93.16 GiB
          ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB model: USB FLASH DRIVE size: 7.47 GiB
        Partition:
          ID-1: / size: 89.65 GiB used: 26.57 GiB (29.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
        Swap:
          ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 1.5 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%)
            dev: /dev/sda2
        Sensors:
          System Temperatures: cpu: 71.0 C mobo: N/A
          Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
        Repos:
          Packages: 1379
          Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
            1: deb http://ftp.cc.uoc.gr/mirrors/linux/mx/antix/bullseye bullseye main nosystemd nonfree
          Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bullseye-backports.list
            1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
          Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
            1: deb http://mirror.eu.oneandone.net/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
          Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
            1: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free
            2: deb http://security.debian.org/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free
          No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
        Info:
          Processes: 133 Uptime: 2h 2m Memory: 1000.3 MiB used: 202.8 MiB (20.3%)
          Init: runit runlevel: 2 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4
          inxi: 3.3.19

        /var/log/apt/history.log:

        Start-Date: 2022-08-07  08:12:40
        Commandline: apt-get dist-upgrade
        Requested-By: dragon (1000)
        Upgrade: libnss-myhostname:i386 (250.4-1~bpo11+1, 251.3-1~bpo11+1), icewm:i386 (2.9.8-1.0antix1, 2.9.9-1.0antix1), nano:i386 (6.3-1.0antix1, 6.4-1.0antix1), icewm-common:i386 (2.9.8-1.0antix1, 2.9.9-1.0antix1)
        End-Date: 2022-08-07  08:12:59
        
        Start-Date: 2022-08-12  07:35:46
        Commandline: apt-get dist-upgrade
        Requested-By: dragon (1000)
        Upgrade: desktop-defaults-zzzfm-antix:i386 (0.4, 0.4.1), antix-libs:i386 (0.8.13, 0.8.14), libtirpc-common:i386 (1.3.1-1, 1.3.1-1+deb11u1), palemoon:i386 (31.1.1-1.gtk3.mx21, 31.2.0.1-2.gtk3.mx21), libwbclient0:i386 (2:4.13.13+dfsg-1~deb11u4.0nosystemd1, 2:4.13.13+dfsg-1~deb11u5), packageinstaller-pkglist-libre:i386 (0.2.8, 0.2.9), sysvinit-utils-antix:i386 (3.01-1.0antix1, 3.04-1.0antix1), gstreamer1.0-plugins-good:i386 (1.18.4-2, 1.18.4-2+deb11u1), desktop-defaults-core-antix:i386 (0.6.12, 0.6.13), x11-xserver-utils:i386 (7.7+8, 7.7+9+antix1), unzip:i386 (6.0-26, 6.0-26+deb11u1), libgnutls30:i386 (3.7.1-5+deb11u1, 3.7.1-5+deb11u2), libtirpc3:i386 (1.3.1-1, 1.3.1-1+deb11u1), iproute2:i386 (5.18.0-1~bpo11+1, 5.19.0-1~bpo11+1)
        End-Date: 2022-08-12  07:36:42
        
        Start-Date: 2022-08-18  08:09:54
        Commandline: apt-get dist-upgrade
        Requested-By: dragon (1000)
        Upgrade: antix-goodies:i386 (0.9.6, 0.9.7), faq-docs-antix:i386 (0.6.6, 0.6.7), set-screen-blank-antix:i386 (1.0.2, 1.0.3), desktop-defaults-base-antix:i386 (0.7.6, 0.7.7), advert-block-antix:i386 (0.2.32, 0.2.33), wallpaper-antix:i386 (0.6.12, 0.6.13), zzzfm:i386 (1.0.7-8, 1.0.7-9), inxi-gui-antix:i386 (0.4.3, 0.4.4), chroot-rescue:i386 (0.2.3, 0.2.4), screenshot-antix:i386 (0.2.10, 0.2.11), console-grid-gui:i386 (0.3.2, 0.3.3), remaster-antix:i386 (0.8.5, 0.8.6), droopy-antix:i386 (0.1.8, 0.1.9), desktop-defaults-antix:i386 (0.1.11, 0.1.12), libwbclient0:i386 (2:4.13.13+dfsg-1~deb11u5, 2:4.13.13+dfsg-1~deb11u5.0nosystemd1), herbstluftwm:i386 (0.9.4-5.0antix1, 0.9.5-2.0antix1), zzzfm-common:i386 (1.0.7-8, 1.0.7-9), add-key-antix:i386 (1.0.6, 1.0.7), desktop-menu-antix:i386 (0.1.6, 0.1.7), mountbox-antix:i386 (0.2.2, 0.2.3), desktop-defaults-rox-antix:i386 (0.6.9, 0.6.10), live-usb-maker-gui-antix:i386 (0.3.3, 0.3.4), app-select-antix:i386 (1.0.9, 1.0.10), menu-manager-antix:i386 (0.1.5, 0.1.6), add-desktop-antix:i386 (0.4.2, 0.4.3), xmms:i386 (1.2.11-1.1, 1.2.11-2), network-assistant:i386 (0.2.2, 0.2.3), ds-mouse-antix:i386 (1.0.9, 1.0.10), bootrepair-antix:i386 (22.06.20, 22.08.14), iso-snapshot-antix:i386 (0.4.13, 0.4.14), repo-manager:i386 (0.2.7, 0.2.8), desktop-session-antix:i386 (2.0.13, 2.0.14), mtpaint:i386 (3.50-9antix1, 3.50-9antix3), cli-installer-antix:i386 (5.1, 5.2), control-centre-antix:i386 (0.8.11, 0.8.12), set-dpi-antix:i386 (0.2.2, 0.2.3), antix-user:i386 (0.2.4, 0.2.5), cmst:i386 (2021.10.17-1~contribs1, 2022.08.14), ddm-mx:i386 (21.10.02mx21, 22.08.14antix21), system-keyboard-qt:i386 (22.06.20, 22.08.14), alsamixer-equalizer-antix:i386 (0.1.9, 0.1.10), automount-antix:i386 (0.2.4, 0.2.5), formatusb:i386 (0.2.6, 0.2.7)
        End-Date: 2022-08-18  08:12:01
        • This reply was modified 8 months, 2 weeks ago by andfree.
        #87646
        Moderator
        Brian Masinick

          Some “different” inxi options for those of you who occasionally “experiment”, here’s one that shows C – CPU output, a – filter all, d – disk full

          inxi -Cad
          CPU:
            Info: model: Intel Core i3-1005G1 bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Ice Lake
              gen: core 10 built: 2019-21 process: Intel 10nm family: 6
              model-id: 0x7E (126) stepping: 5 microcode: 0xB0
            Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 2 tpc: 2 threads: 4 smt: enabled cache:
              L1: 160 KiB desc: d-2x48 KiB; i-2x32 KiB L2: 1024 KiB desc: 2x512 KiB
              L3: 4 MiB desc: 1x4 MiB
            Speed (MHz): avg: 2390 high: 3329 min/max: 400/3400 scaling:
              driver: intel_pstate governor: performance cores: 1: 3329 2: 2057 3: 1442
              4: 2733 bogomips: 9523
            Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx
            Vulnerabilities:
            Type: itlb_multihit status: KVM: VMX disabled
            Type: l1tf status: Not affected
            Type: mds status: Not affected
            Type: meltdown status: Not affected
            Type: spec_store_bypass mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via
              prctl and seccomp
            Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer
              sanitization
            Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Enhanced IBRS, IBPB: conditional, RSB
              filling
            Type: srbds status: Not affected
            Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
          Drives:
            Local Storage: total: 119.24 GiB used: 6.26 GiB (5.3%)
            SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
            ID-1: /dev/nvme0n1 maj-min: 259:0 vendor: Samsung
              model: MZVLQ128HBHQ-00000 size: 119.24 GiB block-size: physical: 512 B
              logical: 512 B speed: 31.6 Gb/s lanes: 4 type: SSD serial: S4YBNJ0N608976
              rev: FXV7000Q temp: 17.9 C scheme: GPT

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          #87543
          Moderator
          Brian Masinick
            Tasks: 187 total,   2 running, 185 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
            %Cpu(s):  0.7 us,  1.0 sy,  0.0 ni, 97.9 id,  0.0 wa,  0.2 hi,  0.1 si,  0.0 st
            MiB Mem :   7961.1 total,   7536.2 free,    193.8 used,    231.0 buff/cache
            MiB Swap:   8192.0 total,   8192.0 free,      0.0 used.   7540.1 avail Mem
            --- antiX 4.9 kernel
            • This reply was modified 8 months, 3 weeks ago by Brian Masinick.

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            #87542
            Moderator
            Brian Masinick
              Tasks: 170 total,   1 running, 169 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
              %Cpu(s):  0.0 us,  0.0 sy,  0.0 ni,100.0 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
              MiB Mem :   7868.6 total,   7428.2 free,    178.4 used,    262.0 buff/cache
              MiB Swap:   8192.0 total,   8192.0 free,      0.0 used.   7429.0 avail Mem
              --- 5.10 antiX kernel

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              #87541
              Moderator
              Brian Masinick
                top - 12:34:19 up 0 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.13, 0.03, 0.01
                Tasks: 194 total,   1 running, 193 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
                %Cpu(s):  3.1 us,  3.1 sy,  0.0 ni, 93.8 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
                MiB Mem :   7961.1 total,   7569.6 free,    191.4 used,    200.1 buff/cache
                MiB Swap:   8192.0 total,   8192.0 free,      0.0 used.   7543.0 avail Mem

                Hmm, the Liquorix kernel seems to be slightly more memory conservative than the 4.9 kernel with these stats; I’ll compare to the 5.10 kernel next.

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                #87539
                Moderator
                Brian Masinick

                  Rebooted with a new Liquorix kernel, then copied some stats into a buffer in the geany editor, and copied them here:

                  top;inxi -v1
                  
                  top - 12:23:55 up 0 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.30, 0.10, 0.03
                  Tasks: 163 total,   2 running, 161 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
                  %Cpu(s):  0.2 us,  0.2 sy,  0.0 ni, 99.7 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  0.0 si,  0.0 st
                  MiB Mem :   7867.2 total,   7413.6 free,    186.1 used,    267.4 buff/cache
                  MiB Swap:   8192.0 total,   8192.0 free,      0.0 used.   7421.9 avail Mem
                  
                  System:
                    Host: antix21 Kernel: 5.19.0-2.1-liquorix-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64
                      Desktop: IceWM v: 2.9.9 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-base Grup Yorum 30
                      October 2021
                  CPU:
                    Info: dual core Intel Core i7-5500U [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 2398
                      min/max: 500/2401
                  Graphics:
                    Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel
                    Device-2: NVIDIA GK208BM [GeForce 920M] driver: nvidiafb v: kernel
                    Device-3: Suyin Integrated_Webcam_HD type: USB driver: uvcvideo
                    Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
                      unloaded: fbdev,vesa gpu: i915 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
                    OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 5500 (BDW GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa
                      20.3.5
                  Drives:
                    Local Storage: total: 447.13 GiB used: 26.62 GiB (6.0%)
                  Info:
                    Processes: 164 Uptime: 0m Memory: 7.68 GiB used: 482.5 MiB (6.1%)
                    Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.20

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                  #87538
                  Moderator
                  Brian Masinick

                    Turned off the browser briefly to get another set of stats:

                    top - 12:13:16 up 7 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.40, 0.40, 0.19
                    Tasks: 180 total,   1 running, 179 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
                    %Cpu(s):  1.5 us,  3.0 sy,  0.0 ni, 94.0 id,  0.0 wa,  0.0 hi,  1.5 si,  0.0 st
                    MiB Mem :   7961.1 total,   7055.4 free,    <strong>203.3 used</strong>,    702.4 buff/cache
                    MiB Swap:   8192.0 total,   8192.0 free,      0.0 used.   7521.6 avail Mem

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                    #87536
                    Moderator
                    Brian Masinick

                      I’m here with the Dell Inspiron 5558 laptop; I grabbed the stats just prior to opening the Web browser this time, and I used the 4.9 kernel, which (like others) I feel uses fewer resources, for those systems which are able to support it.

                      inxi -v1
                      System:
                        Host: antix21 Kernel: 4.9.0-294-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64
                          Desktop: IceWM v: 2.9.9 Distro: antiX-21-runit_x64-base Grup Yorum 30
                          October 2021
                      CPU:
                        Info: dual core Intel Core i7-5500U [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 725
                          min/max: 500/2401
                      Graphics:
                        Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel
                        Device-2: NVIDIA GK208BM [GeForce 920M] driver: N/A
                        Device-3: Suyin Integrated_Webcam_HD type: USB driver: uvcvideo
                        Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: modesetting
                          unloaded: fbdev,vesa gpu: i915 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
                        OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 11.0.1 256 bits) v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5
                      Drives:
                        Local Storage: total: 447.13 GiB used: 26.8 GiB (6.0%)
                      Info:
                        Processes: 186 Uptime: 0m Memory: 7.77 GiB used: 452 MiB (5.7%) Shell: Bash
                        inxi: 3.3.20

                      I added ‘top’ to get a different view of the system after adding the browser.

                      top - 12:10:36 up 4 min,  1 user,  load average: 0.20, 0.21, 0.09
                      Tasks: 195 total,   1 running, 194 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
                      %Cpu(s):  5.6 us,  1.8 sy,  0.0 ni, 92.2 id,  0.0 wa,  0.3 hi,  0.1 si,  0.0 st
                      MiB Mem :   7961.1 total,   6142.0 free,    757.3 used,   1061.8 buff/cache
                      MiB Swap:   8192.0 total,   8192.0 free,      0.0 used.   6954.9 avail Mem
                      • This reply was modified 8 months, 3 weeks ago by Brian Masinick.

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                      #87455
                      Moderator
                      Brian Masinick

                        I moved over to my Acer Chromebook 715 to investigate a few parameters that I can compare to previous entries in this thread. One thing I can tell you right away is that though this particular system has a backlit keypad, newer, solid aluminum construction and much faster processor than the Lenovo X201, even though the X201 keyboard has longer distance key depressions, this model has a less comfortable keyboard than the Acer Aspire 5, Dell Inspiron 5558 or the old Lenovo X201. So there’s one thing; even though this thing is pretty fast, it has its trade-offs too.

                        Using Chrome OS chrome://system/, I found the following details (sharing only a few here):
                        CHROME VERSION: 104.0.5112.83
                        CHROMEOS_RELEASE_BUILD_TYPE: Official Build
                        CHROMEOS_RELEASE_CHROME_MILESTONE: 104
                        CHROMEOS_RELEASE_DESCRIPTION: 14909.100.0 (Official Build) stable-channel nami 
                        LOGDATE: Fri Aug 19 19:30:24 UTC 2022, Fri Aug 19 15:30:24 EDT 2022
                        meminfo:
                        MemTotal:        3925632 kB
                        MemFree:         1427604 kB
                        MemAvailable:    1801856 kB
                        Buffers:          107080 kB
                        Cached:           633004 kB
                        SwapCached:         2888 kB

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                        Member
                        Robin

                          Hello, need urgently some help:
                          After my athlon XP (32bit) mainboard running long time rock stable on antiX 19 died from dried out capacitors I’ve got an old Sempron board (64bit) from ModdIt (many thanks again!). Installing antiX 21 on it was quite easy, as usual, it runs like a charm, tested with an uptime of some months already.

                          But the aftermath is a bit tricky and I actually need some help.

                          Most pressing issue is: I can’t print. Main reason for this is: There is no printing driver for Linux available for this printer (Canon LBP 8 Mark IV), the existing driver for LBP8 Mark III comes up with unusable poor results (way to low resolution).

                          So my workaround on the old Athlon System was to start a virtualised Windows 2000 system in virtualbox and print everything needed from within this virtual environment.

                          After updating the system to antiX 21 I can’t any longer start the virtual machine from the virtualbox installed, it wouldn’t allow me to set the required settings and comes up with an error message:

                          Ungültige Einstellungen erkannt:
                          Seite: System: Beschleunigung
                          Die Hardware-Virtualisierung ist in den Systemeinstellungen aktiviert,
                          obwohl dies vom Host-System nicht unterstützt wird. Deshalb sollte
                          diese deaktiviert werden, um ein virtuelles System starten zu können

                          Even when on the settings page the message points to the selection for “Paravirtualisierung” is set to “keinen (none)” it wouldn’t allow me to store the settings, the error message stays active.

                          Searching the web for this problem it turned out this issue is possibly caused by a modification of virtualbox made starting after Ver 6.0.24:
                          Die VirtualBox-Versionen bis einschließlich 6.0.24 können VMs sowohl mit als auch ohne VT-x ausführen. VirtualBox 6.1.x und neuer können VMs nur noch mit VT-x ausführen. Der Code für die Ausführung von VMs ohne VT-x wurde entfernt…
                          They have removed the code for CPUs without hardware virtualisation after this version.
                          I tried to verify whether my Sempron CPU has or not has this feature, but couldn’t find out definitively. The BIOS also doesn’t tell anything about this. Here are my specs taken from antiX Control center:

                          System:
                            Kernel: 5.10.104-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1
                              parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-5.10.104-antix.1-amd64-smp
                              root=UUID=5bc6e23a-7c3d-4830-983c-4fe01bac800d ro quiet
                            Desktop: IceWM v: 2.9.9 vt: 7 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0
                              Distro: antiX-21_x64-full Grup Yorum 31 October 2021 base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
                          Machine:
                            Type: Desktop Mobo: FOXCONN model: M61PMV v: FAB 1.1 serial: <superuser required> BIOS: Phoenix
                              v: P07 date: 07/28/2009
                          Battery:
                            Message: No system battery data found. Is one present?
                          Memory:
                            RAM: total: 1.94 GiB used: 979.9 MiB (49.4%)
                            RAM Report: permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
                          PCI Slots:
                            Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
                          CPU:
                            Info: model: AMD Sempron LE-1250 bits: 64 type: UP arch: K8 built: 2005-06 process: AMD 65nm
                              family: 0xF (15) model-id: 0x7F (127) stepping: 2 microcode: N/A
                            Topology: cpus: 1x cores: 1 smt: <unsupported> cache: L1: 128 KiB desc: d-1x64 KiB; i-1x64 KiB
                              L2: 512 KiB desc: 1x512 KiB
                            Speed (MHz): 2200 min/max: 1000/2200 scaling: driver: powernow-k8 governor: performance core:
                              1: 2200 bogomips: 4420
                            Flags: 3dnow 3dnowext 3dnowprefetch apic clflush cmov cpuid cr8_legacy cx16 cx8 de extapic
                              extd_apicid fpu fxsr fxsr_opt lahf_lm lm mca mce mmx mmxext msr mtrr nopl nx pae pat pge pni pse
                              pse36 rdtscp rep_good sep sse sse2 syscall tsc vme vmmcall
                            Vulnerabilities:
                            Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected
                            Type: l1tf status: Not affected
                            Type: mds status: Not affected
                            Type: meltdown status: Not affected
                            Type: spec_store_bypass status: Not affected
                            Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization
                            Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full AMD retpoline, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling
                            Type: srbds status: Not affected
                            Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected
                          Graphics:
                            Device-1: AMD Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: radeon
                              v: kernel arch: TeraScale 2 code: Evergreen process: TSMC 32-40nm built: 2009-15 pcie: gen: 1
                              speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 ports: active: VGA-1 empty: DVI-I-1,HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 02:00.0
                              chip-ID: 1002:68f9 class-ID: 0300
                            Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: radeon
                              unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: radeon display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
                            Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1152x864 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 304x228mm (11.97x8.98") s-diag: 380mm (14.96")
                            Monitor-1: VGA-1 mapped: VGA-0 model: Belinea/Maxdata 0x1b6c serial: <filter> built: 1998
                              res: 1152x864 hz: 75 dpi: 91 gamma: 1.83 chroma: red: x: 0.643 y: 0.329 green: x: 0.271 y: 0.604
                              blue: x: 0.141 y: 0.063 white: x: 0.278 y: 0.310 size: 320x240mm (12.6x9.45")
                              diag: 400mm (15.7") ratio: 4:3 modes: 1280x1024, 1152x864, 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480, 640x400
                            OpenGL: renderer: AMD CEDAR (DRM 2.50.0 / 5.10.104-antix.1-amd64-smp LLVM 11.0.1)
                              v: 3.3 Mesa 20.3.5 compat-v: 3.1 direct render: Yes
                          Audio:
                            Device-1: NVIDIA MCP61 High Definition Audio vendor: Foxconn driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel
                              bus-ID: 00:05.0 chip-ID: 10de:03f0 class-ID: 0403
                            Device-2: AMD Cedar HDMI Audio [Radeon HD 5400/6300/7300 Series] vendor: ASUSTeK
                              driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel pcie: gen: 1 speed: 2.5 GT/s lanes: 16 bus-ID: 02:00.1
                              chip-ID: 1002:aa68 class-ID: 0403
                            Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.104-antix.1-amd64-smp running: yes
                          Network:
                            Device-1: NVIDIA MCP61 Ethernet vendor: Foxconn type: network bridge driver: forcedeth v: kernel
                              port: ec00 bus-ID: 00:07.0 chip-ID: 10de:03ef class-ID: 0680
                            IF: eth0 state: up speed: 100 Mbps duplex: full mac: <filter>
                            IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter>
                            IP v6: <filter> scope: link
                            WAN IP: <filter>
                          Bluetooth:
                            Message: No bluetooth data found.
                          Logical:
                            Message: No logical block device data found.
                          RAID:
                            Message: No RAID data found.
                          Drives:
                            Local Storage: total: 55.94 GiB used: 12.92 GiB (23.1%)
                            SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required.
                            ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Samsung model: SV6004H size: 55.94 GiB block-size:
                              physical: 512 B logical: 512 B speed: <unknown> type: N/A serial: <filter> rev: 0-11 scheme: GPT
                            Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: HL-DT-ST model: DVD-RAM GSA-H55L rev: 1.03
                              dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw
                            Features: speed: 48 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram
                              state: running
                          Partition:
                            ID-1: / raw-size: 20 GiB size: 19.52 GiB (97.59%) used: 7.38 GiB (37.8%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda2
                              maj-min: 8:2 label: root uuid: 5bc6e23a-7c3d-4830-983c-4fe01bac800d
                            ID-2: /boot raw-size: 500 MiB size: 474 MiB (94.79%) used: 154 MiB (32.5%) fs: ext4
                              dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 label: boot uuid: 4e8cb7b3-d37f-4533-92c1-315d6a79cc3a
                            ID-3: /home raw-size: 30 GiB size: 29.36 GiB (97.87%) used: 5.39 GiB (18.4%) fs: ext4
                              dev: /dev/sda3 maj-min: 8:3 label: home uuid: f15441e2-5cbf-4b88-b63d-a91f232ebf7a
                          Swap:
                            Kernel: swappiness: 10 (default 60) cache-pressure: 50 (default 100)
                            ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 5.45 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -2 dev: /dev/sda4
                              maj-min: 8:4 label: swap uuid: ffd30430-ec4d-472a-8d7d-a49e515dc5f2
                          Unmounted:
                            Message: No unmounted partitions found.
                          USB:
                            Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 10 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0002
                              class-ID: 0900
                            Hub-2: 2-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 10 rev: 1.1 speed: 12 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0001
                              class-ID: 0900
                          Sensors:
                            System Temperatures: cpu: 4294939.3 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 57.0 C
                            Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
                          Repos:
                            Packages: apt: 1855 lib: 846
                            Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
                              1: deb http: //ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/mxlinux/packages/antix/bullseye bullseye main nosystemd nonfree
                            Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bullseye-backports.list
                              1: deb http: //deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
                            Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
                              1: deb http: //ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
                            Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
                              1: deb http: //ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free
                              2: deb http: //security.debian.org/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free
                            No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
                          Processes:
                            CPU top: 5 of 138
                            1: cpu: 17.6% command: firefox-esr pid: 2352 mem: 241.7 MiB (12.1%)
                            2: cpu: 12.3% command: firefox-esr pid: 2219 mem: 462.6 MiB (23.3%)
                            3: cpu: 11.0% command: yad pid: 12849 mem: 27.2 MiB (1.3%)
                            4: cpu: 3.0% command: gtkdialog pid: 12806 mem: 27.6 MiB (1.3%)
                            5: cpu: 2.5% command: xorg pid: 1546 mem: 76.9 MiB (3.8%)
                            Memory top: 5 of 138
                            1: mem: 462.6 MiB (23.3%) command: firefox-esr pid: 2219 cpu: 12.3%
                            2: mem: 241.7 MiB (12.1%) command: firefox-esr pid: 2352 cpu: 17.6%
                            3: mem: 211.0 MiB (10.6%) command: virtualbox pid: 10776 cpu: 0.8%
                            4: mem: 123.5 MiB (6.2%) command: firefox-esr pid: 2439 cpu: 0.4%
                            5: mem: 76.9 MiB (3.8%) command: xorg pid: 1546 cpu: 2.5%
                          Info:
                            Processes: 138 Uptime: 1h 17m wakeups: 1 Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5
                            tool: service Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Client: shell wrapper v: 5.1.4-release inxi: 3.3.19
                          

                          Anyway, I wanted to give the virtualbox version 6.0.24 a try, but it seems to be impossible to install it in antiX21, there exist only versions above 6.1, requiring the vt-x capability of the host CPU:

                          $ apt-cache policy virtualbox
                          virtualbox:
                            Installiert:           6.1.22-dfsg-2~mx21+1
                            Installationskandidat: 6.1.22-dfsg-2~mx21+1
                            Versionstabelle:
                           *** 6.1.22-dfsg-2~mx21+1 500
                                  500 http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/mxlinux/packages/antix/bullseye bullseye/main amd64 Packages
                                  100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
                               6.1.14-dfsg-2~mx19+1 500
                                  500 http://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/mxlinux/packages/antix/bullseye bullseye/nosystemd amd64 Packages

                          Also on the virtualbox download site there doesn’t seem to be a deb package available for bullseye: Virtualbox 6.0.24 download page Last one present is for buster. Moreover the packages available on this site will contain dependencies to systemd I believe. But antiX 21 is bullseye, and no systemd.

                          I also can’t switch to a different virtualisation program, since all my hdd images containing the complete virtualised windows are specifically from virtualbox. They were created before Microsoft had shut down their update servers for Win2000 and WinXP, and they contain all the service packs. I’ve used them on antiX 17 and antiX 19 already, they ran fine always. Now, when switching to another virtualisation program I’d need starting from scratch with the original Win install medium and the original serial and verification code, but there is no microsoft server anymore to authenticate the genuine microsoft thing the installation process asks for. Moreover this will not restore all the service packs needed for proper functioning.

                          So it looks I’m stuck in compatibility issues with this new antiX 21 install I can’t solve on my own.
                          Any help appreciated.

                          Robin

                          Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

                          #87304
                          Member
                          madibi

                            dear all,
                            I noticed a strange issue with chromium.

                            When I install the program, both from the antiX native app «installa programmi» or using synaptic, and after the install is completed I start the program from the menu, always it appears a great white square (see photo below). The with ALT F4 or «app killer» I close it.
                            When restarted, the program opens apparently normal.

                            BUT

                            If I go to the antiX forum home page, and I choose the drop down menu, for example: Forum -> recent posts ==> the output is that I don’t go to the desired page. Instead I am redirected to the “Register” page
                            (https://www.antixforum.com/register/).

                            The same applies on other sites that I usually surf.

                            The first time I encountered the above mentioned issue, I thought that something was wrong in my installation, so I did a new fresh install, unfortunately with no avail.
                            Than I started to make some tries using the live:
                            – install from synaptic,
                            – install from the chromium download page.

                            The sequence of problems persists.

                            I have to point out that I choose chromium on this pc after a long search, because it is complete and light.
                            With it all my needs should be perfectly satisfied (in this specific case for me it is better than FFox.

                            On the same computer, using Q4OS the same version of chromium simply works with no issues.

                            Any ideas?

                            Many thx in advance for your help
                            m

                            Please find enclosed my detailed info:

                            Chromium: Versione 104.0.5112.79 (Build ufficiale) built on Debian 11.4, running on Debian 11.4 (a 32 bit)

                            $ inxi -Fzx
                            System:
                            Kernel: 4.9.0-279-antix.1-486-smp arch: i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc
                            v: 10.2.1 Desktop: Fluxbox v: 1.3.7
                            Distro: antiX-21_386-base Grup Yorum 31 October 2021
                            base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
                            Machine:
                            Type: Laptop System: TOSHIBA product: Satellite A110 v: PSAB0E-007002IT
                            serial: <superuser required>
                            Mobo: TOSHIBA model: HTW20 v: Null serial: <superuser required>
                            BIOS: TOSHIBA v: 1.30 date: 07/20/2006
                            Battery:
                            ID-1: BAT1 charge: 0% condition: 44.4/44.4 Wh (100.0%) volts: 11.1
                            min: 11.1 model: TOSHIBA PA3465U status: N/A
                            CPU:
                            Info: dual core model: Intel T2250 bits: 32 type: MCP arch: M Yonah rev: 8
                            cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 2 MiB
                            Speed (MHz): avg: 1200 high: 1333 min/max: 800/1733 cores: 1: 1067
                            2: 1333 bogomips: 6915
                            Flags: ht pae sse sse2 sse3
                            Graphics:
                            Device-1: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics
                            vendor: Toshiba driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen3.5 bus-ID: 00:02.0
                            Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: intel
                            unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa gpu: i915 resolution: 1280×800~60Hz
                            OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GM x86/MMX/SSE2 v: 1.4 Mesa 20.3.5
                            direct render: Yes
                            Audio:
                            Device-1: Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio vendor: Toshiba
                            driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0
                            Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k4.9.0-279-antix.1-486-smp running: yes
                            Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 14.2 running: no
                            Network:
                            Device-1: Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network driver: iwl3945
                            v: in-tree:s bus-ID: 04:00.0
                            IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter>
                            Device-2: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet vendor: Toshiba
                            driver: r8169 v: 2.3LK-NAPI port: 4000 bus-ID: 05:00.0
                            IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
                            Drives:
                            Local Storage: total: 96.85 GiB used: 43.91 GiB (45.3%)
                            ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Hitachi model: HTS541010G9SA00 size: 93.16 GiB
                            ID-2: /dev/sdb type: USB model: Mass Storage Device size: 3.69 GiB
                            Partition:
                            ID-1: / size: 74.75 GiB used: 43.9 GiB (58.7%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1
                            Swap:
                            ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 1.5 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%)
                            dev: /dev/sda2
                            Sensors:
                            System Temperatures: cpu: 32.0 C mobo: N/A
                            Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A
                            Info:
                            Processes: 157 Uptime: 40m Memory: 2.95 GiB used: 651.3 MiB (21.6%)
                            Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 Packages: 1344
                            Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4 inxi: 3.3.19

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                            #87187
                            Member
                            techcodie

                              I first checked out Antix a bit over a year ago, because of the live persistence USB. I was using a shuttle IPC i3 with limited memory and no hard drive. It worked perfect for the six months or so I needed it for a media server and web browsing appliance.

                              That system is dead now, and most of what I have listed below never ran on it by choice at that time.

                              When I got the system I’m typing this on, I started with Linux Mint so I could set up a Kodi appliance for a friend. Quick and easy that way.

                              For the last year I have been running mxLinux “wildflower” no systemd, on an old HP g62 amd laptop and It has taken a bit to get the list below working on it, but I have done so, and am quite happy with the results.

                              So now the goal of moving my main desktop machine completely to antiX.

                              Requirements are weird and maybe not possible for a successful desktop installation.

                              MUST HAVE:

                              Quake 3 Arena: All other of the quake series as well, but I usually don’t have a problem with them.

                              UnrealTournament GOTY: OldUnreal may have this covered finally for me. I’m currently running the Linux tar.bz on both MXLinux “Wildflower” and Linux Mint “Una”. It works flawlessly in both cases, so I have hopes.

                              Trilium Notes: It is one of the few things that just works for me, and I have to admit I’m attached to it. I do have a server instance on a laptop, so it will the last challenge, and I only need the desktop instance.

                              PaleMoon: just ’cause.

                              lighttpd: It works for me.

                              CodeTyphon Studio. It’s what I like, it just works.
                              I’ve created the liveUSB, hopefully I’ll get it correct to make it persistent on the first try.

                              I begin:

                              Active Antix Desktop. Persistence failed first attempt. (Do it later.)

                              Did I mention I love the default desktop? I’ll change it of course, but it is a very nice default.

                              Installed. Everything hardware wise appears to be working.

                              It says it will take 4.5 hours to move 670G of data. I’m going to the neighbors for a beer and a doob.

                              Files all copied.

                              Quake 3 Arena: ioquake3 ran perfectly from the new home. Played a couple of levels. Perfect.

                              Unreal Tournament GOTY: The people at oldunreal.com have their shit together. For the first time ever, it just freaking works. Only tested the X64 version, but that is all I use.

                              Trilium Notes: Had to do some updates to my server as well, but I am typing this from within TN running happily on antix and synced with my server running on an mxlinux laptop.

                              PaleMoon: From the repository. Extensions installed, bookmarks imported.

                              lighttpd: Been using it for so long from source that I didn’t know until now that it was in the repo. Still have some basic configuration to do, but its working and visible from my phone.

                              CodeTyphon Studio. Forgot about the glibc issues with 7.80. Removed and reinstalled 7.70, works compiling several CodeOcean examples, and a couple of my own smaller things.

                              There are still a thousand little things to do of course, but everyone has finally allowed me to have the linux system I want.

                              Thank you all very much. You may notice that this isn’t the latest and best hardware.

                              Now it’s time to play.

                              System:    Kernel: 5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 10.2.1 
                                         parameters: BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp 
                                         root=UUID=0e08696f-9e63-423d-a801-e560dbaad82c ro quiet 
                                         Desktop: IceWM 2.8.0 vt: 7 dm: N/A Distro: antiX-21_x64-full Grup Yorum 31 October 2021 
                                         base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) 
                              Machine:   Type: Desktop System: HP product: 20-c020 v: N/A serial: <filter> Chassis: type: 13 
                                         serial: <filter> 
                                         Mobo: HP model: 8245 v: 001 serial: <filter> BIOS: AMI v: F.12 date: 09/23/2016 
                              Battery:   Message: No system battery data found. Is one present? 
                              Memory:    RAM: total: 3.52 GiB used: 1.12 GiB (31.7%) 
                                         RAM Report: permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required. 
                              PCI Slots: Permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required. 
                              CPU:       Info: Quad Core model: AMD E2-7110 APU with AMD Radeon R2 Graphics bits: 64 type: MCP 
                                         arch: Puma family: 16 (22) model-id: 30 (48) stepping: 1 microcode: 7030105 cache: 
                                         L2: 2 MiB bogomips: 14372 
                                         Speed: 1647 MHz min/max: 1000/1800 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 1647 2: 1600 3: 1585 
                                         4: 1647 
                                         Flags: 3dnowprefetch abm acc_power aes aperfmperf apic arat avx bmi1 bpext clflush cmov 
                                         cmp_legacy constant_tsc cpuid cr8_legacy cx16 cx8 de decodeassists extapic extd_apicid 
                                         f16c flushbyasid fpu fxsr fxsr_opt ht hw_pstate ibs lahf_lm lbrv lm mca mce misalignsse 
                                         mmx mmxext monitor movbe msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl npt nrip_save nx osvw overflow_recov 
                                         pae pat pausefilter pclmulqdq pdpe1gb perfctr_llc perfctr_nb pfthreshold pge pni popcnt 
                                         pse pse36 ptsc rdtscp rep_good sep skinit ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 svm 
                                         svm_lock syscall topoext tsc tsc_scale vme vmmcall wdt xsave xsaveopt 
                                         Vulnerabilities: Type: itlb_multihit status: Not affected 
                                         Type: l1tf status: Not affected 
                                         Type: mds status: Not affected 
                                         Type: meltdown status: Not affected 
                                         Type: spec_store_bypass 
                                         mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp 
                                         Type: spectre_v1 mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization 
                                         Type: spectre_v2 mitigation: Full AMD retpoline, STIBP: disabled, RSB filling 
                                         Type: srbds status: Not affected 
                                         Type: tsx_async_abort status: Not affected 
                              Graphics:  Device-1: AMD Mullins [Radeon R3 Graphics] vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: radeon 
                                         v: kernel alternate: amdgpu bus-ID: 00:01.0 chip-ID: 1002:9850 class-ID: 0300 
                                         Device-2: Suyin HP Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo bus-ID: 2-1.2:3 
                                         chip-ID: 064e:9326 class-ID: 0e02 serial: <filter> 
                                         Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.11 driver: loaded: ati,radeon 
                                         unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1 
                                         Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1600x900 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 423x238mm (16.7x9.4") 
                                         s-diag: 485mm (19.1") 
                                         Monitor-1: eDP res: 1600x900 hz: 60 dpi: 94 size: 432x240mm (17.0x9.4") 
                                         diag: 494mm (19.5") 
                                         OpenGL: renderer: AMD KABINI (DRM 2.50.0 5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp LLVM 11.0.1) 
                                         v: 4.5 Mesa 20.3.5 direct render: Yes 
                              Audio:     Device-1: AMD Kabini HDMI/DP Audio vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel 
                                         v: kernel bus-ID: 00:01.1 chip-ID: 1002:9840 class-ID: 0403 
                                         Device-2: AMD FCH Azalia vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel 
                                         bus-ID: 00:14.2 chip-ID: 1022:780d class-ID: 0403 
                                         Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp running: yes 
                              Network:   Device-1: Realtek RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter vendor: Hewlett-Packard 
                                         driver: rtl8723be v: kernel modules: wl port: e000 bus-ID: 01:00.0 chip-ID: 10ec:b723 
                                         class-ID: 0280 
                                         IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> 
                                         IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter> 
                                         IP v6: <filter> scope: global 
                                         IP v6: <filter> type: dynamic mngtmpaddr scope: global 
                                         IP v6: <filter> scope: link 
                                         Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet 
                                         vendor: Hewlett-Packard driver: r8169 v: kernel port: d000 bus-ID: 02:00.0 
                                         chip-ID: 10ec:8168 class-ID: 0200 
                                         IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> 
                                         WAN IP: <filter> 
                              Bluetooth: Device-1: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 1-1.3:4 
                                         chip-ID: 0bda:b008 class-ID: e001 serial: <filter> 
                                         Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: down bt-service: running rfk-block: 
                                         hardware: no software: yes address: <filter> 
                                         Info: acl-mtu: 820:8 sco-mtu: 255:16 link-policy: rswitch hold sniff park 
                                         link-mode: slave accept 
                              Logical:   Message: No logical block device data found. 
                              RAID:      Message: No RAID data found. 
                              Drives:    Local Storage: total: 4.55 TiB used: 1.68 TiB (36.9%) 
                                         SMART Message: Unable to run smartctl. Root privileges required. 
                                         ID-1: /dev/sda maj-min: 8:0 vendor: Western Digital model: WD10EZEX-60WN4A0 
                                         size: 931.51 GiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B speed: 6.0 Gb/s type: HDD 
                                         rpm: 7200 serial: <filter> rev: 1A01 scheme: MBR 
                                         ID-2: /dev/sdc maj-min: 8:32 type: USB vendor: Seagate model: Expansion SW 
                                         size: 3.64 TiB block-size: physical: 4096 B logical: 512 B type: N/A serial: <filter> 
                                         rev: 1801 scheme: GPT 
                                         Optical-1: /dev/sr0 vendor: hp model: DVDRW DU8A6SH rev: DHS3 
                                         dev-links: cdrom,cdrw,dvd,dvdrw 
                                         Features: speed: 24 multisession: yes audio: yes dvd: yes rw: cd-r,cd-rw,dvd-r,dvd-ram 
                                         state: running 
                              Partition: ID-1: / raw-size: 222.27 GiB size: 217.72 GiB (97.95%) used: 12.2 GiB (5.6%) fs: ext4 
                                         dev: /dev/sda1 maj-min: 8:1 label: rootantiX21 
                                         uuid: 0e08696f-9e63-423d-a801-e560dbaad82c 
                                         ID-2: /home raw-size: 703.86 GiB size: 691.74 GiB (98.28%) used: 621.52 GiB (89.8%) 
                                         fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda3 maj-min: 8:3 label: homeantiX 
                                         uuid: 3b4f8e33-5aff-4feb-bc60-248ebc7c6936 
                                         ID-3: /media/olddeadtech/EFI raw-size: 200 MiB size: 196.9 MiB (98.45%) 
                                         used: 1 KiB (0.0%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sdc1 maj-min: 8:33 label: EFI uuid: 67E3-17ED 
                                         ID-4: /media/olddeadtech/Expansion raw-size: 3.64 TiB size: 3.64 TiB (100.00%) 
                                         used: 1.06 TiB (29.1%) fs: exfat dev: /dev/sdc2 maj-min: 8:34 label: Expansion 
                                         uuid: 6112-364F 
                              Swap:      Kernel: swappiness: 10 (default 60) cache-pressure: 50 (default 100) 
                                         ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 5.37 GiB used: 32.7 MiB (0.6%) priority: -2 
                                         dev: /dev/sda2 maj-min: 8:2 label: swapantiX uuid: 0cc9087e-dbbf-4c4b-880e-09d7c6fe8674 
                              Unmounted: Message: No unmounted partitions found. 
                              USB:       Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: Full speed (or root) Hub ports: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s 
                                         chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900 
                                         Hub-2: 1-1:2 info: Advanced Micro Devices ports: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s 
                                         power: 100mA chip-ID: 0438:7900 class-ID: 0900 
                                         Device-1: 1-1.1:5 info: Primax HP USB Optical Mouse type: Mouse 
                                         driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 1.5 Mb/s power: 100mA 
                                         chip-ID: 0461:4e66 class-ID: 0301 
                                         Device-2: 1-1.2:6 info: Seagate RSS LLC Expansion SW type: Mass Storage driver: uas 
                                         interfaces: 1 rev: 2.1 speed: 480 Mb/s power: 30mA chip-ID: 0bc2:203b class-ID: 0806 
                                         serial: <filter> 
                                         Device-3: 1-1.3:4 info: Realtek Bluetooth Radio type: Bluetooth driver: btusb 
                                         interfaces: 2 rev: 2.1 speed: 12 Mb/s power: 500mA chip-ID: 0bda:b008 class-ID: e001 
                                         serial: <filter> 
                                         Hub-3: 2-0:1 info: Full speed (or root) Hub ports: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s 
                                         chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900 
                                         Hub-4: 2-1:2 info: Advanced Micro Devices ports: 4 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s 
                                         power: 100mA chip-ID: 0438:7900 class-ID: 0900 
                                         Device-1: 2-1.2:3 info: Suyin HP Integrated Webcam type: Video driver: uvcvideo 
                                         interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s power: 500mA chip-ID: 064e:9326 class-ID: 0e02 
                                         serial: <filter> 
                                         Device-2: 2-1.3:4 info: Realtek 3-in-1 (SD/SDHC/SDXC) Card Reader type: Mass Storage 
                                         driver: ums-realtek interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s power: 500mA 
                                         chip-ID: 0bda:0153 class-ID: 0806 serial: <filter> 
                                         Hub-5: 3-0:1 info: Full speed (or root) Hub ports: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s 
                                         chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900 
                                         Device-1: 3-1:2 info: Primax HP USB Multimedia Keyboard type: Keyboard,HID 
                                         driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 2 rev: 1.1 speed: 1.5 Mb/s power: 98mA 
                                         chip-ID: 0461:4e67 class-ID: 0300 
                                         Hub-6: 4-0:1 info: Full speed (or root) Hub ports: 2 rev: 3.0 speed: 5 Gb/s 
                                         chip-ID: 1d6b:0003 class-ID: 0900 
                              Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 71.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: radeon temp: 72.0 C 
                                         Fan Speeds (RPM): N/A 
                              Repos:     Packages: note: see --pkg apt: 1813 lib: 905 
                                         Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list 
                                         1: deb http: //la.mxrepo.com/antix/bullseye/ bullseye main nosystemd nonfree
                                         Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bullseye-backports.list 
                                         1: deb http: //deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
                                         Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list 
                                         1: deb http: //ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
                                         Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list 
                                         1: deb http: //ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free
                                         2: deb http: //security.debian.org/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free
                                         3: deb http: //www.deb-multimedia.org bullseye main non-free
                                         4: deb http: //security.debian.org testing-security main contrib non-free
                                         5: deb-src http: //ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free
                                         6: deb http: //www.deb-multimedia.org testing main non-free
                                         No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list 
                              Processes: CPU top: 5 of 167 
                                         1: cpu: 27.3% command: palemoon pid: 30236 mem: 420.1 MiB (11.6%) 
                                         2: cpu: 12.4% command: trilium pid: 8602 mem: 205.7 MiB (5.6%) 
                                         3: cpu: 9.0% command: ./trilium pid: 6052 mem: 217.6 MiB (6.0%) 
                                         4: cpu: 2.7% command: xorg pid: 2005 mem: 80.1 MiB (2.2%) 
                                         5: cpu: 2.3% command: trilium pid: 6095 mem: 125.3 MiB (3.4%) 
                                         Memory top: 5 of 167 
                                         1: mem: 420.1 MiB (11.6%) command: palemoon pid: 30236 cpu: 27.3% 
                                         2: mem: 217.6 MiB (6.0%) command: ./trilium pid: 6052 cpu: 9.0% 
                                         3: mem: 205.7 MiB (5.6%) command: trilium pid: 8602 cpu: 12.4% 
                                         4: mem: 125.3 MiB (3.4%) command: trilium pid: 6095 cpu: 2.3% 
                                         5: mem: 120.4 MiB (3.3%) command: zzzfm pid: 2165 cpu: 1.6% 
                              Info:      Processes: 167 Uptime: 7h 29m wakeups: 1 Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5 default: 5 
                                         tool: service Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Client: IceWM v: 2.8.0 inxi: 3.3.06 
                              
                              #87020
                              Member
                              andyprough

                                With the higher swapiness, most of the hangs until a web browswer or visual studio code grow too big, are gone. I still have to restart those two applications every few days, because both apps will grow apparently until either the system crashes them or they hang/crash the system.

                                This is one thing I like about Pale Moon. Run it for several days without a restart, and it’s still sitting there using about the same amount of memory. Firefox and Chromium-based browsers go pretty insane with the memory usage over time. And it doesn’t take several days for it to be noticeable.

                                Thanks for the lengthy post otherwise. That’s some pretty interesting info you’ve accumulated.

                                #87019
                                Member
                                wb8tyw

                                  Random freezing of a system with limited memory can be caused by the vm.swappiness setting.
                                  For various definitions of what is “linited”.

                                  By default anti-x 19 sets the vm.swappiness value to 10 in /etc/sysctl.conf.

                                  It would be much better if anti-x put their custom values in something like /etc/sysctl.d/20-anti-x-settings.conf.

                                  The lower the value of swappiness, the less Linux does a cleanup of moving memory into the swap file.

                                  If you have plenty of memory, a low value may give you some faster response.

                                  However the problem with a low value is that if you need to so any swapping at all, Linux does not have enough free memory available for the process that needs more memory, which is likely the program you most interested in at the moment, so it has to freeze that program while it goes around to all the other programs and swaps out some memory, repeating that process until it finally gets enough for the program you are using. This will show up as high CPU and high disk rate, if the monitoring programs are not victimized by this.

                                  The default value of vm.swappiness for linux is documented to be 60.

                                  On my laptop with a mere 4Gb, I had these freezes routinely until I commented out the value in /etc/sysctl.conf and added /etc/sysctl.d/95_local_swappiness.conf file with one line: vm.swappiness = 80.

                                  Settings in the “xxx.d” directories is the preferred way to make customizations to packages that support them. This eliminates
                                  the upgrade messages about someone has changed a file provided by this package.

                                  With the higher swapiness, most of the hangs until a web browswer or visual studio code grow too big, are gone. I still have to restart those two applications every few days, because both apps will grow apparently until either the system crashes them or they hang/crash the system.

                                  With a higher swappiness rate, most users will not see any issue, because most programs follow an “80/20 rule”. 80 % of programs use mostly 20% of the code / data.

                                  So while your system is not busy, Linux starts copying parts of memory into the swapfile in the background, usually this is not noticed at all. Executable binaries (not scripts) are also effectively “readonly” swap files for this purpose.

                                  The contents of the memory are not changed by this, and so if a program references the memory that was swapped out before it was reused, a soft page fault occurs and the memory is given back. Soft page faults are very fast because no disk I/O is involved.

                                  But when a program needs memory, there is free memory to expand, and expanding to free memory is also a soft fault operation.

                                  So what you need to know, to more precisely tune the swappiness value is how much memory is allocated for each memory expansion request by the kernel and multiply that by how many processes are CPU bound at one moment. I have not bothered to do that
                                  calculation and just try addjusting swappiness upward until I still have a responsive system, and have minimized the hangs.

                                  There is a formula to determine how much hard faults a system can tolerate with out impacting users, but you need to know some metrics and I do not remember all of them for Linux. Unfortunately for modern system that number is usually pretty low and
                                  not worth calculating.

                                  But back in the early days, knowing this calculation made a big difference on what you could actually get done with your systsem.

                                  You need to know the number of processes that the CPU can run simultaneously with out visible load.
                                  On a VAX/11-750, that number is 4.

                                  You need to know the speed at which the CPU is reading instructions from memory. VAX/11-750 is .75 Mips.

                                  You need to know the DMA transfer rate of the devices that the swap files are on. VAX/11-750 is 4 MB/second for the good disks.

                                  As long as CPU speed in MIPS * number of active compute bound processes is less than the total MB/Second to for the swap file, users will pretty much not notice any swapping.

                                  For most things that Linux is running on, the CPU / Memory speed makes it impossible for most swapfiles reads to be transparent, so there will be some impact to swapping.

                                  Good luck.

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