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Anonymous
Forum for users of antiX Linux. Mean and Lean and Proudly anti-fascist.
Could you please explicate what is the fascism as you mean it
and who are the fascists whom antiX is anti
and in what way a software distribution may be anti-<politics>
Xecure
I am not the antiX developer, but isn’t fascism anti-democratic and pro-violence? Fascism comes from the Italian word for “many sticks”. You can guess what the sticks are for, right?
antiX Live system enthusiast.
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anticapitalista
antiX is not anti politics, it is anti fascist politics.
Politics is everywhere whether you like it or not.
Put simply, we do not tolerate politics or people spreading hate/prejudice/violence against people because of their skin colour, race, religion (or none), gender, sexuality.Unless you have been in hibernation, you would have noticed that there has been a rise in such fascist groups all over the world, particularly in Europe – and closer to my /home, in Greece.
Never again!
BTW – Holocaust deniers are not welcome here. (At least) One of our long-standing members is a son of a concentration camp survivor.
If you post such rubbish again you’ll be banned from the forum.- This reply was modified 1 year, 10 months ago by anticapitalista. Reason: Added info
- This reply was modified 1 year, 10 months ago by anticapitalista. Reason: added more info
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
Fascism comes from the Italian word for “many sticks”. You can guess what the sticks are for, right?
AFAIK, this is an allegory about sticking together, joined effort, community. A lone human being is weak, but a group is strong.
By “in what way a software distribution may be anti-<politics>”
I meant “in what way a software distribution may be anti-<put-your-hated-form-of-treatment-here>”Put simply, we do not tolerate politics or people spreading hate/prejudice/violence against people because of their skin colour, race, religion (or none), gender, sexuality.
In my reading, you speak about tolerance.
BTW, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_tolerance has its negative tradeoffs. It allows for some pathogenic microbes to successfully infect a host and avoid elimination. In addition, inducing peripheral tolerance in the local microenvironment is a common survival strategy for a number of tumors that prevents their elimination by the host immune systemPut simply, we do not tolerate politics or people spreading hate/prejudice/violence against people because of their skin colour, race, religion (or none), gender, sexuality.
I call for a clarification whether you tolerate a grounded distinction between people because of their skin colour, race, religion (or none), gender, sexuality.
Not only fascism may be about hate/prejudice/violence, but also communism, zionism, fake democracy, satanism, ignorance, decadance etc.
And fake democracy is much closer to your /home in Greece than fascism.So why pick fascism specifically? Why not “Proudly anti-evil” or something?
There is also an opinion, that you are more successful by not opposing something that you dislike, but by generating something that you like.
No offence intended, I just don’t catch the motto.BTW – Holocaust deniers are not welcome here. (At least) One of our long-standing members is a son of a concentration camp survivor.
If you post such rubbish again you’ll be banned from the forum.I am a grandson of a concentration camp survivor.
You may do whatever you like on your forum, but Truth will live.
And I will have to register again for talking on technical issues.
anticapitalista
Simple questions.
Why do you defend fascism?
Why are you concerned about antiX being openly anti-fascist? (Probably the vast majority of the world’s population would have zero issue with that).Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
ModdIt
Why are you concerned about antiX being openly anti-fascist? (Probably the vast majority of the world’s population would have zero issue with that).
I think the vast majority of the worlds population would be highly supportive to that having seen the results of two world wars !.
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Xecure
AFAIK, this is an allegory about sticking together, joined effort, community. A lone human being is weak, but a group is strong.
The fasces (“bundle”) symbolised the imperium power of the Roman magistrates (later the emperor) to inflict corporal punishment (beating with the rods) or even death (beheading by the axe), although no Roman magistrate could summarily execute a Roman citizen after passage of the laws of the twelve tables. To be executed in Roman “old style” meant being beaten with rods while tied to a x-shaped cross and then beheaded. This was the punishment that the senate ordered for the emperor Nero, which prompted him to commit suicide.
The fasces appears to have originated from the Etruscans, as evidenced by surviving artifacts showing a thin bundle of rods surrounding a two-headed axe that may have been influenced by the labrys, the Minoan double-headed axe. Under the Roman Republic, the fasces developed into a thicker bundle of birch rods, sometimes surrounding a single-headed axe and tied together with a red leather ribbon into a cylinder. The fasces suggests strength through unity, since a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break.
So, we are both right.
BTW, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_tolerance has its negative tradeoffs. It allows for some pathogenic microbes to successfully infect a host and avoid elimination. In addition, inducing peripheral tolerance in the local microenvironment is a common survival strategy for a number of tumors that prevents their elimination by the host immune system
Don’t forget autoimmune diseases. Why continue fighting different cells when we should all be united?
I think this is also leading nowhere. There are ideas/beliefs I share with others and many things I don’t (even in this forum). No use in discussing them here.
antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.Why do you defend fascism?
Why are you concerned about antiX being openly anti-fascist? (Probably the vast majority of the world’s population would have zero issue with that).I think the vast majority of the worlds population would be highly supportive to that having seen the results of two world wars !.
Please enlighten me how fascists are related to WWI.
Regarding WWII, fascism was in Italy, whereas in Germany it was national socialism (nazism for short).
https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/difference-between-nazism-and-fascism/
http://www.differencebetween.net/miscellaneous/difference-between-fascism-and-nazism/There are ideas/beliefs I share with others and many things I don’t (even in this forum). No use in discussing them here.
I do agree. Being silent is mostly wise. Maybe I am not as wise as I wish to be…
Here and now, it is not me but the admin(s) who propagate(s) his/their personal stance via both https://antixlinux.com/ and https://www.antixforum.com/
Whereas I merely intended to clarify for myself why, as I find the stance somewhat out of context.Why do you defend fascism?
Why are you concerned about antiX being openly anti-fascist? (Probably the vast majority of the world’s population would have zero issue with that).antiX is an optimal GNU/Linux distro for me (kudos, anticapitalista & team & contributors), thus I treasure antiX.
Public projects should exercise great caution so as not to become mired in anything that would be better put aside. Therefore I am a bit worried about the project’s public image and future.
Moreover, I am stuck with the label “fascism”.
Saying that nazism or fascism are evil is like saying that Christianity and Islam are evil,
since Christians waged the Crusades
and Islam is all about terrorism,
so both Christianity and Islam are all about holy wars and hate/prejudice/violence.
It is important to distinguish tenets vs. crimes.
It is hard to name a big movement not associated with crimes, yet it doesn’t neccessarily mean that crimes are inherent to the <put-your-hated-ideology-here>.
I do not defend crimes committed in the name of <you-name-it>, yet both nazism and fascism have healthy ideas inside.there has been a rise in such fascist groups all over the world, particularly in Europe – and closer to my /home, in Greece.
Is a rise in fascist groups such a major plague of the world?
Robin
It allows for some pathogenic microbes to successfully infect a host and avoid elimination.
Stop talking about human beings like that. This is pure nazi speech. Goebbels would have liked you for this sentence.
I am a grandson of a concentration camp survivor.
How come I can’t believe you…
And yes, you never can’t make people stop spreading this kind of nazi propaganda early enough, wherever you meet it.
Josef Goebbels said, with respect of his democratic political opponents (btw, he called them „Volksschädlinge”, „Ungezifer”, „Krankheit”…)„Wenn unsere Gegner sagen: »Ja, wir haben Euch doch früher die Freiheit der Meinung zugebilligt.« Ja, Ihr uns! Das ist doch kein Beweis, daß wir das Euch auch tuen sollen! Daß Ihr das uns gegeben habt, das ist ja ein Beweis, wie dumm Ihr seid!“
Quelle: Rede vom 4. Dezember 1935, zitiert nach: Goebbels-Reden – Band 1: 1932-1939. Hrsg. Helmut Heiber, Droste Verlag, Düsseldorf 1971. S. 272.
Simply: You will not get this chance ever again. Keep your tongue in check!
Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.
yet both nazism and fascism have healthy ideas inside.
Please could you render this thought a bit more precisely? What exactly are you referring to? And come on, don’t tell me now „aber Hitler hat doch die Autobahnen gebaut…”
Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.
seaken64
I grew up in a group that had “healthy ideas inside”. Yet, if I dare not to toe the line, to not believe, I am shunned and lose all contact with my family. All in the name of “the truth”. We are judged by how we treat others, regardless of our cherished beliefs.
I was not attracted to antiX because of politics or religious beliefs. But am much more inclined to appreciate the political views of a software developer who is anti-facist rather than anti-freedom or anti-love or anti-human. I also would probably not support a distro that is pro-Fascist or pro-Nazi. I would guess that a statement that someone is anti-Fascist is far less likely to be a problem than a statement that one is pro-Fascist, or a statement like ‘we except all Fascists, who are being persecuted only for sharing their belief that Fascism has some healthy parts’.
If an open statement declaring that we oppose Fascism bothers you, you should probably leave.
Seaken64
heidi
Simple questions.
Why do you defend fascism?
Why are you concerned about antiX being openly anti-fascist? (Probably the vast majority of the world’s population would have zero issue with that).Questioning your proclamation of anti-fascim is not equal to defending fascism. You’re already in attack more unfortunately.
The reason people raise questions is because if you haven’t been living under a rock or in a tight bubble you would have noticed that political notions like “left”, “right” or “anti fascism” are bound to change over time. Especially the left is unfortunately substancially transforming away from their anti-capitalist Marxist roots towards an identiy politics centered movement that does conveniently align perfectly with all major political agendas of the elites. Big parts of that woke twitter left are becoming weaponized social justice mobs against all dissent and its fostering the divide within society because it gives “the right” (or those who identify with this after being exposed to this toxic crowd that claims the title of “left”) new bogeymen.
Another big dividing issue on “the left” is the stance towards the Israeli Apartheids regime. There are those who stand with the ultra right pro settler politics who defend any valid criticism with the “anti-semitism” argument (which conveniently is enabled by those far right Israeli themselves when they say that Israel is the land of the jews) and there are those who stand with the opressed Palestinians.
And last but not least there are those who claim that a conglomerate of NGOs, Ultra rich “philantropists”, Governments and Mega Corporatations forcing an experimental Gene Therapy onto all citizens (it’s beginning in Austria right now) is not fascism, but that the small people who oppose this and stand for their freedom are the fascists (which is so utterly ridiculous that I cant leave this without comment). Suddenly “leftists” lust for licking Bill Gates boots.
So I’d like to know from you: who are the fascists? Do you stand with movements like the french yellow vests (which btw french Antifa aligns with), the German democracy movement or are you more the BLM FFF ADL type of “Anti fascist”? You could have kept this unpolitical but you opened this box, now deal with it please. I need to know because I’m looking for an OS for my machine and I’m a very political person myself. I see myself as a radical left antifascist, but at the same time there are my worst enemies who claim this for them too (classic leftist infighting). These days are pretty eye opening regarding politics and simple black white themes like “left good, right bad” are not able to describe reality any. It starts to not work anymore when both sides accuse the other of being the fascists.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by heidi.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by heidi.
oops
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The reason people raise questions is because if you haven’t been living under a rock or in a tight bubble you would have noticed that political notions like “left”, “right” or “anti fascism” are bound to change over time.
…… Basically, you are right, the word fascism is anachronistic now (out of context). The global binary political divisions are no longer just, left versus right, nor fascism against anti-fascism, nor even angel versus demon, but now borders versus non-borders. Anyway, personally, I say: peace&freedom first.
FI:
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Do you stand with movements like the french yellow vests (which btw french Antifa aligns with)
…The french yellow vests movements are mostly generated by the impoverished people by the globalisation and the UE union (the no-border economic and societal aspect).
- This reply was modified 1 year, 5 months ago by oops.
anticapitalista
On ‘woke’
More later
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