antiX 19 – 32 bit in the repos Firefox ESR old version (?) – SOLVED

[Member madibi]

Dear,
I’ve just installed antiX 19 – 32 bit, FT10, on an old Toshiba Satellite A110-185 from 2006 (former win Vista).

After noticing a small issue, I found out that the firefox ESR installed version is 78.15.0.esr.
I tried to sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade and I received the answer that all is up to date.
I tried to change the repo from the Milan one to the Athens one (closer to the distro’s origin 🙂 ), and nothing changed.
In antiX 21, firefox ESR is the version 91.x, and the same applies to antiX 17.5

I only ask myself the question of whether this fact is intentional or not

many thx for your attention
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[Member sybok]

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Search Debian packages for ‘firefox-esr’ in currently ‘oldstable’ [ = ‘buster’]:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firefox-esr&searchon=names&suite=oldstable&section=all

Indeed, buster [= oldstable] + i386 => 78.15.
Perhaps, they will update it in some time.
If you wish to get a newer version soon(er), you may download an archive with a binary and unpack it, see
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/split-firefox-getting-newer-versions/page/2/#post-79474
and you may also find the following post useful:
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/split-firefox-getting-newer-versions/#post-78908

Not quite sure why you selected antiX 19 as it is based on Debian ‘buster’ (currently ‘oldstable’) instead of antiX 21 based on Debian ‘bullseye’ (currently ‘stable’) since it [antiX 19] contains older packages.

[Member madibi]

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@Sybok
Thank you for your quick answer.
Now I understand that it is a choice of debian and not of antiX.

Not quite sure why you selected antiX 19 as it is based on Debian ‘buster’ (currently ‘oldstable’) instead of antiX 21 based on Debian ‘bullseye’ (currently ‘stable’) since it [antiX 19] contains older packages.

I choose the 19 antiX version because it is still supported. So I assumed that on a very old hw may be better to use an older version in order to have a more snappy system. Isn’t it?
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Hi, @midibi, thank you for answering my (indirect) question.

better to use an older version in order to have a more snappy system. Isn’t it?

antiX strives to use as little resources as reasonable/possible.
I would guess that the default desktops do not change that much (as far as resource requirements is concerned).
Perhaps, using older Office-suite (LibreOffice?) may save a bit of RAM indeed.

Unfortunately, web browsers (such as chromium-based ones or Firefox) are one of the most resource hungry programs I use very often and they best be kept up-to-date.

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Hello Madibi.

I choose the 19 antiX version because it is still supported. So I assumed that on a very old hw may be better to use an older version in order to have a more snappy system. Isn’t it?

I suggest you do not use this reasoning to choose which edition of antiX you should or should not use on your computer or laptop.
Of the computers I service, about 80% already have antiX 21, this includes computers much older than the Toshiba Satellite A110-185 model. The other 19.99% that are still with antiX 19 will be changed to antiX 21 as soon as I have access to them. Unfortunately, only one computer that has antiX 16.X I will not have access to it, due to the distance, the computer has traveled more than 3,000 km and is on the other side of Brazil, along with its owner and will not be back anytime soon to the state of Sao Paulo. If it wasn’t for that, I would be happy to install Remaster of antiX 21 Full 32 and 64 bits with Kernel 4.4.0-296 because it will certainly work on that computer. I take the following procedure as a descision: I try to install the official antiX 21, if it doesn’t work, I try the antiX 21 Full Remaster with Kernel 4.4.0-296, if it still doesn’t work, then I try antiX 19. This does not mean that antiX 19 is bad, but that little by little the programs will be abandoned for Debian 10 and will not be updated anymore, which is a pity, as many computers cannot operate as antiX 21 due to the video card controller not support the latest kernel/Xorg.

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I choose the 19 antiX version because it is still supported. So I assumed that on a very old hw may be better to use an older version in order to have a more snappy system. Isn’t it?

Eu sugiro você não utilizar este raciocínio para escolher qual edição do antiX você deve utilizar ou não no computador ou laptop.
Dos computadores que eu realizo manutenção, cerca de 80% já estão com o antiX 21, isso inclui computadores muito mais antigos do que o modelo Toshiba Satellite A110-185. Os outros 19,99% que ainda estão com o antiX 19, serão modificados para o antiX 21 assim que eu tiver acesso a eles. Infelizmente, apenas um computador que está com o antiX 16.X eu não terei acesso a ele, devido a distância, o computador viajou mais de 3.000 km e está do outro lado do Brasil, junto com o seu dono e não voltará tão cedo para o estado de São Paulo. Se não fosse isso, eu teria muito prazer de instalar a Remasterização do antiX 21 Full de 32 e 64 bits com o Kernel 4.4.0-296 porque certamente funcionará naquele computador. Eu tomo como descição o seguinte procedimento: eu tento instalar o antiX 21 oficial, se não funcionar, eu tento a Remasterização do antiX 21 Full com o Kernel 4.4.0-296, se mesmo assim não funcionar, aí eu tento o antiX 19. Isso não significa que o antiX 19 seja ruim, mas que aos poucos os programas serão abandonados para o Debian 10 e não serão mais atualizados, o que é uma pena, pois vários computadores não conseguem operar como antiX 21 devido o controlador da placa de vídeo não ter suporte ao kernel/Xorg mais recentes.

[Member madibi]

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@admins
this one will be my last answer OT on this thread. In case of need I’ll open another one with the title “reason why to choose an older version of antiX”. Of course feel free to do that also now.

@sybok
thanks for your tips.
I think that resource usage is mainly given by the amount of ram used, but also by the CPU.
There is often direct proportionality between those two parameters, all other conditions being equal.
During August 2021 I did some comparative tests, BASED ONLY TO MY PERSONAL FEELINGS, nothing objective that can be exhibited at the Museum of Weights and Measures in Paris. Antix 19.x vs Q4OS 3.X: my perception was that despite the Q4OS taking up more than double the memory of the antiX, it was still a bit more snappy.
(Now antiX continues to be as snappy as last year, on the other hand Q4OS has moved from the light category to the medium one).

Tightening the screw, I think that another big element is the Kernel. I imagine that an older one may be lighter and affect the load on the cpu less. This hypothesis of mine is indirectly confirmed in @Marcelo’s post.

@Marcelo
Thank you for the food for thought you have given me. Especially for reminding me of the antiX 21 remaster with kernel 4.4.0-296. I’ll follow your advice. I’m at the age where I forget everything 🙂

I tried to lighten the S.O. at most, because in a few days I will take that pc with me in a travel and I want to be sure I can play a chess 3 + 2 blitz tournament (the one on Tuesday evening), without having to lose all the games for the time, due to excessive use of resources.
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Obrigado pelo alimento para o pensamento que você me deu. Especialmente por me lembrar da remasterização do antiX 21 com kernel 4.4.0-296. Vou seguir seu conselho. Estou na idade em que esqueço tudo 🙂

Tentei clarear o S.O. no máximo, porque em poucos dias levarei esse pc comigo e queria ter certeza de que poderia jogar um torneio de blitz 3 + 2 (o de terça à noite), sem ter que perder todas as partidas para o tempo,devido ao uso excessivo de recursos.

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Ti ringrazio per gli spunti di riflessione che mi hai dato. Soprattutto per avermi ricordato il remaster di antiX 21 con kernel 4.4.0-296.
Seguirò il tuo consiglio. Sono nell’età in cui mi dimentico tutto 🙂

Ho cercato di alleggerire il S.O. al massimo, perché tra qualche giorno mi porterò quel pc con me e volevo essere sicuro di potere giocare un torneo lampo di 3+2 (quello del martedì sera), senza dovere perdere tutte le partite per il tempo, a causa dell’eccessivo utilizzo di risorse.

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