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Anonymous
Just don’t be surprised if that UpdateMenu does nothing. đ
noClue, (not that you would advocate using it but) you know the commandline “locate” command, right?
When I booted slackware-derived Porteus Linux and discovered absence of that command, I was stymied.
I had believed its inclusion was a “universal standard” among linux distros.
Whelp, I learned it is not universally exposed as (or aliased as) “locate”.
On some systems it (or its packagename) is “slocate”, instead. On other systems, it is “mlocate”.In any event, I never considered going to the Porteus forum and playing provocateur, ala
“Reeeeee! Y’all are insaaaaane! So stooooopid! Caught in the past…”
interspersed, bipolar-like, with “lookit. It’s so easy. I gonna teach you…” tutorials.Yep, I too am attentive toward achieving ‘
sanemore ideal’ defaults. Over in the antiX19 alpha topic, I groused about a couple details. However, I realized it would be counterproductive, if not outright disruptive, to repeatedly harp about those same details even though they are important to me. Hopefully you can see the mirror, and aren’t still unsure whether you’re in the country.ps: I now further realize “there’s a GNU findutils-packaged locate command” and a separate,
same-named “we don’t need no stinkin’ GNU” locate command from nognu.org, and…pps (or call it a FYI):
For many of the PuppyLinux variants, the locate command is absent, period. Full stop.
After quite some searching (web-wide, b/c “locate” has seldom been mentioned in pupplinux forum ~~ few
people seem to even notice its absence) you can discover a “slocate” pkg is available for Slacko
and someone has packaged “mlocate” for use on bizzybox-only puppy systems.BTW, Run is in the main menu
You (and manyroads, and a few others) habitually neglect to notice that you are redundantly posting something which has been mentioned by someone (or by multiple people!) earlier in the topic. Yeah, hard to keep pace in the case of fast-moving discussions, but… I just now (in this thread, less than 12hrs ago) mentioned “Run” among the redundant menuitems.
adjust all three menus (IceWM, Fluxbox, JWM) if I want to add an application search right above the Terminal
heh heh
SQUIRREL !
we’re so
attention-deficitlackumdaisical ’round here that no one really expects us to stay “on topic”, right? Wait, am I typing in the browser tab showing the “Announcements” topic or th …SQUIRREL !
eugen-b
I meant with “Run is in the main menu” that we can stop the discussion about “Search application” menu entry as solved. A special “File search” menu entry is provided by “Spacefm File Search”.
I completely agree with your list of redundand menu entries: https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/antix-19-b1-full-64-and-32-bit-available/page/8/#post-23361 Awaiting antiX 19-b2 to see it fixed, as always without much ado, always silently improving.
A special âFile searchâ menu entry is provided by âSpacefm File Searchâ.
ah, thanks. That’s good point, and yes I think my post overlooked that redundancy, but (seriously) I can’t remember ~~ I’ll have to scroll back and reread to check.
eugen-b
No, I didn’t mean there is any redundancy. Just that a file search functionality is available in a submenu, no urging need to install Synapse or Searchmonkey, only if the user wants to.
I would also note that the first entries Terminal, File Manager, Web Browser, Text Editor don’t give any redundancy. This is because you need them quite often that’s why they don’t distract.
What do you folks think, below File Manager there could an entry like File Search which would open SpaceFM File Search. A good idea?- This reply was modified 3 years, 10 months ago by eugen-b.
no urging need to install Synapse or Searchmonkey
…but, but, searchmonkey is pre-installed.
For a handful of the menu items, I would be would be confused by their “too similar (and overly generic)” labeling… but others have advocated use of “friendly” labels, citing “What’s a catfish?” what in the world is a “spaceFM?”
I can recognize the merit in having a search-oriented TopLevel menu item, engene-b. Across years I’ve learned to trust your insight; I’ll defer to your recommendation of which search(er) is best suited to TopLevel menu placement.
BobC
My ~/.icewm/keys file entries for dmenu and xfce4-appfinder are below. What key they are assigned to were my preferences, but would be happy to see them on whatever key made sense. I don’t think the Alt+Ctrl+Space bringing up a commandline with no prompt does most users much good, so to me, that would be a good key to assign an appfinder to.
###Added dmenu on Ctrl+Space (I think it is on Ctrl+Alt+p in Fluxbox setup, but I donât understand why) program is already installed by default in antiX
key âCtrl+Spaceâ dmenu_run -i -b -fn 10Ă20 -nb black -nf white -sb grey -sf black###Added xfce4-appfinder on Alt+F3 (same key as MX, 1.8 mb code needed) sudo apt-get install xfce4-appfinder
key âAlt+F3â xfce4-appfinderSamK
I think some antiX applications could go without a menu entry since they are available from the Control Centre.
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The possibility to customize doesnât mean there shouldnât be some sane defaults.âsane defaultsâ == short and easy to find
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…the Start Menu has more entries then you can fit on 1920Ă1080 (most common used) FULL screen?…parts of the menu are massive and could be organized better…
Yes, there are too many on the menu, but that doesnât mean the options are bad to have.
The entries in the antiX main menu are predicated on the presumption that if they are not displayed there, users will be unaware of the large number of apps that antiX ships.
If there was no other way of showing that information the presumption would be more tenable.
The result of the presumption is the cluttered, unkempt appearance of the menu which makes it difficult to navigate to find a desired app. In its current form it actually hinders usability rather than enhancing it. No individual user will use every menu item, yet every user is exposed to all of them.
antiX ships a stock GUI point and click app named Menu Manager. It enables the user to hide or show any menu item in the Applications or in the Personal sections of the antiX menu.
A part of its use is to list every *.desktop (menu entry) file that resides in the standard freedesktop.org location. In addition it indicates the current status of each *.desktop file i.e. whether it is shown in the menu, hidden from the menu, or waiting to have its display status set. In other words it lists the apps currently shown in the overpopulated antiX Applications menu and sub-menus. It will list the *.desktop file of any app the user subsequently installs and remove it if the app is later uninstalled. Incidentally it can also create entries in the antiX menu for command line applications that do not have their own *.desktop file.
These features enable the user to tailor the antiX menu entries to suit their individual choice and requirements. Doing so automatically adjusts the setting within the appropriate *.desktop file to correspond to the user’s choice of hide/show and automatically updates the antiX menu.
Therefore we have:
• A way for users to be aware of the apps shipped in antiX,
• No need to have the plethora of entries currently shown in the menu,
• A way for each individual user to modify the antiX Applications menu with a few clicks.Self styled distro reviewers usually see antiX only as a distro for older, low powered kit. They seldom get the philosophy that underpins antiX. Flexibility is one of its main tenets. antiX will benefit by reverting to a simplified, less chaotic menu structure as used in previous releases, and promote the flexibility built into antiX which puts the focus on usability for its actual users.
ex_Koo
I install this little Gem on my main machine late night. Debbie and have now parted our ways as I now have a new girl and she is only 19 and a B cup too.
Off to work now tell you all about soon..seaken64
In any event, I never considered going to the Porteus forum and playing provocateur, ala
âReeeeee! Yâall are insaaaaane! So stooooopid! Caught in the pastâŚâ
interspersed, bipolar-like, with âlookit. Itâs so easy. I gonna teach youâŚâ tutorials.I can’t state my thoughts on some of these threads any better than skidoo has done here.
But I will add that I am not against ideas and improvements, updates and usability, etc. But I am against dogmatism. No Clue, I disagree with you. But I appreciate your ideas and I’m sure you will add valuable help to the dev team in an effort to “modernize”.
I do not believe antiX needs to modernize. I think it is great the way it is. I LIKE the menu! And yes, it is old fashioned. Why do so many people despise old things? Why must everything be “modern” before it is good? I just disagree with that. But I know I am in the minority. I am happy to stay with the classic look on my computers. But I also get that others want things to be new and modern.
FWIW, I am personally appreciative that antiX is plain at first and then can become whatever the user wants it to be. It is a great builders system. And it can be for old computers because it starts out plain, or become very modern and sleek on a new super-powered machine.
I would hope that whatever theme becomes the default can be easily changed by a non-expert user with a click of the mouse button. I would like to have the more classic Windows style. But that is just me. I’m just not sure I can learn all the scripting to create that look if antiX takes it away in the default setup. And I don’t want to see antiX change to using a full Desktop Environment as the default. We have that already in MX and other distros. These are just my opinions and wishes, not demands.
At any rate, I like antiX 19 so far. I have been using it Live and in a VM. I have no quibbles with it’s look. But so far I have only been able to use the Full version. I’m assuming that is intentional until the system goes into release. I’m assuming at that time we will have the other two versions available? –Base and Core.
Thank you anticapitalista, great work!
Seaken64
@skidoo (#23413)
Advocates are advocating, Preachers are preaching and Teachers are teaching.
I do the last. đ
Remember those old school classrooms, ‘one for all age’?
That’s the forum.
That never worked and will never work.
To a university student you say it once and he got it.
To a kindergarten children you repeat, repeat and keep repeating and they still didn’t get it.
Experience shows that only repeating helps or the most people will never learn.
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@seaken64 (#23442)
Why do so many people despise old things?
Noticing that IceWM is ‘primitive’ (alternative: archaic, old-fashioned, simple …) is a matter of fact and there is no despise, hate … or whatever you interpret it to be on that matter.
But, start menu being so as it is (however you call it), brings certain consequences with itself.
A modern menu with integrated search, can cope much better with 40-entries sub menu than an old-fashioned without it.
That’s another fact and it (once again) has nothing to do with personal preferences and ‘I like’s.
Still some questions?
P.S.
I would like to have the more classic Windows style.
It’s right there — in front of your nose! Blind beside the healthy eyes? đ
P.P.S.
I disagree with you.
No, you don’t disagree with ME, you disagree with science and generally recognized UI/UX principals (which you discovered because of me), established after many years or hard research work of many experienced researchers who understand much more than you on that matter.
P.P.P.S.
Again:
Sometimes is maybe better not to try to discuss on some topics ⌠hope you understand what I wanted to say.
anticapitalista
noClue, antiX is not going to be turned into Lubuntu/Windows or any ‘modern’ OS of your liking.
antiX is going to be the same as it has always been, that is not under discussion.
Any aesthetic changes are going to be very superficial by your standards ie change of icons, themes, wallpaper, slim etcYou think this is not enough. Fine. However, I think it is and that is how it will be. End of story.
Please refrain from posting how crap antiX is or go somewhere you like.
I’m sure you will feel at home on a Windows forum.Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
However, I think it is and that is how it will be.
That’s your good right.
It’s fine 4 me.
But — pity.However, there’s still no good reason against having a ‘simpler’ 32-bit version and a ‘more sophisticated’ 64-bit version.
anticapitalista
@ dev team: It seems that still (like in A2) trying to activate the firewall blocks all internet access?
@ dev team: not any more âbugsâ just some very small suggestionsâŚ
I added, in JWM, a âfeatureâ- I click the clock and a GUI calendar window pops up. Hey, if I add a text file with dates and events and add a button to âyad âcalendarâ to open the date text file in the default text editor, it also acts as a kind of very simple agenda/events calendar (without, unfortunatetly, any alarm function- you just click the day and see the scheduled events).
P.
Could you send me your changes so I can add this to jwm
Also, the “yad âicons âread-dir=/usr/share/applications âfullscreen âsort-by-name âundecorated âsingle-click âskip-taskbarâ is awesome.
BTW – If you turn on rox-panel, the Apps folder opens what the yad script above does.
BTW2: Anyone know why rox-panel now opens under spacefm desktop and even better does anyone know a fix?
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
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