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marcelocripe
It uses very little memory. Icewm is very beautiful window manager.
rox-icewm will always be the default.
Yes, these things may be past a new user’s understanding, but you can either teach them, do it for them, or guide them to learn these things.
Switching the desktop and file manager from Rox to zzzfm is easy and quick.
That’s why I only included it in the suggestion list and not in the wish list. I will continue to include guidance on how to change the default desktop from Rox-IceWM to zzz-IceWM in the welcome text for new users of this forum (I hope they read it all so they don’t get lost). In fact, Rox options are faster than zzz options. However, those of us who already know antiX know how to choose and change very easily (with two clicks?) any of the valuable desktop options (window manager + file manager) that are available in antiX, but who starts antiX for the first time there is no way to know this. Unless someone tells this person to read the excellent PPC tutorials. The intention is not to scare the new user the first time they have contact with antiX. I fully understand the decisions of the antiX creator.
Either way, your suggestions are precisely the kind of suggestions that most software leaders prefer and appreciate; thank you very much!
I am grateful that you read my texts translated by the internet translator, allowing me to present my requests and concerns related to antiX translations. Every sentence that I can adapt or improve the Brazilian Portuguese language text to make complete sense is a victory! This exponentially increases the number of Brazilian users of antiX. This number of Brazilian users grows very quickly, unfortunately not all people create their account here on the forum and post at least their message as a new antiX user. And as I’ve written several times here in this esteemed forum, it is through translations that antiX Linux will reach people in every corner of this planet.
Thank you very much!
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It uses very little memory. Icewm is very beautiful window manager.
rox-icewm will always be the default.
Yes, these things may be past a new user’s understanding, but you can either teach them, do it for them, or guide them to learn these things.
Switching the desktop and file manager from Rox to zzzfm is easy and quick.
É por isso que eu incluí apenas na lista de sugestões e não na lista de pedidos. Eu vou continuar incluindo a orientação de como alterar a área de trabalho parão, do Rox-IceWM para o zzz-IceWM no texto de boas-vindas aos novos usuários deste fórum (eu espero que eles leiam tudo para não ficarem perdidos). De fato, a opções Rox são mais rápidas do que as opções zzz. Contudo, nós que já conhecemos o antiX sabemos escolher e alterar com muita facilidade (com dois cliques?) qualquer uma das valiosas opções de área de trabalho (gerenciador de janelas + gerenciador de arquivos) que estão disponíveis no antiX, mas quem inicia o antiX pela primeira vez não tem como saber isso. A não ser que alguém diga para esta pessoa ler os excelentes tutorias do PPC. A intenção é de não assustar o novo usuário logo na primeira vez que tem contato com o antiX. Eu compreendo perfeitamente as decisões do criador do antiX.
Either way, your suggestions are precisely the kind of suggestions that most software leaders prefer and appreciate; thank you very much!
Eu que sou grato por vocês lerem os meus textos traduzidos pelo tradutor da internet, de me permitirem apresentar os meus pedidos e anseios relacionados as traduções do antiX. A cada frase que eu consigo adaptar ou melhorar o texto em idioma Português do Brasil para fazer sentido completo, é uma vitória! Isto aumenta exponencialmente o número de usuários Brasileiros do antiX. Este número de usuários Brasileiros cresce com muita velocidade, infelizmente nem todas as pessoas criam a sua conta aqui no fórum e postam ao menos a sua mensagem de novo usuário do antiX. E como eu já escrevei várias vezes aqui neste estimado fórum, é por meio das traduções que o antiX Linux chegará até as pessoas em cada canto deste planeta.
Muito obrigado!
Wallon
Dear Marcelocripe,
I can confirm that Rox is not intuitive and I always use spacefm or zzzfm.
It is very rare when I use Rox and never to copy and paste.
I also think zzzfm is easier to use.
I started with MSDos and Norton Commander to program and compile *.exe files.
I still use FreeCommander XE on Windows 10.
Norton Commander (MSDos) was very similar to FreeCommander XE (Windows) and very similar to zzzfm (Linux).
I also agree with you that zzzIceWM should be the default desktop.Another suggestion for antiX 22.
Wouldn’t it be possible to have a package to download that would allow you to activate and deactivate the touchpad on laptops by clicking on a button?
One could always have the choice of either typing command lines, making a script or installing a package for graphical use.
People have bought many more laptops than desktops. You don’t have to do a script to put in a second monitor or a mouse or a USB stick.
But for the touchpad, there is nothing automatic.
As you can see, I don’t like working with a laptop because of the touchpad. I add an external Belgian azerty keyboard, a “Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600” and a mouse. That way, the touchpad doesn’t bother me anymore! No more scripts and command lines.
antiX recognises the external keyboard and mouse directly.Best regards,
WallonBobC
Ok, here you go, an antiX 21, quick how to change the default file manager video. I much prefer zzzfm myself, as well.
I just want to add that if we were to change the default file manager in the distro itself, the system would no longer work the same as expected for anyone following existing instructions or videos. That could cause problems for people trying to learn.
- This reply was modified 10 months, 3 weeks ago by BobC.
Brian Masinick
Ok, here you go, an antiX 21, quick how to change the default file manager video. I much prefer zzzfm myself, as well.
I just want to add that if we were to change the default file manager in the distro itself, the system would no longer work the same as expected for anyone following existing instructions or videos. That could cause problems for people trying to learn.
Thank you very much!
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Brian Masinick
iznit
1) Teach them how to use ROX; it’s not that difficult
might be helpful to link one or several rox-filer video tutorials in the desktop menu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCfg7zoVQEQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_IUVF914O4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stnh4NvzCX0The rox user manual is available installed, might also link to that
[[[ or link to the online copy http://rox.sourceforge.net/Manual/Manual/Manual.html ]]]
also this supplemental tutorial http://doc.gnu-darwin.org/Guide/Tutorial.htmlOT: Yes, But many times I frustrated trying to use Rox-filer. I think its because I have to use Windows all day, and it’s just different. I’m not saying its bad, just that there are basic user interface differences that cause me to make mistakes when I switch back and forth.
Brian Masinick
That may be true but the fact is that it’s a file manager.
I don’t know about you but my experience with computer systems predates window managers, file managers and graphical user interfaces and also before [personal computers.
I’m still just as comfortable without a file manager as with one. Alias definitions, key strokes bound to commands are a few of my tools.
So rox vs. another tool for me is no issue either way. I use ’em but they’re only part of what I use.
I write and package a lot of my own time savers.
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Brian MasinickModdIt
An intuitive file manager, not seen one yet, all have kinks and quirks.
I have no complaints with rox, users not complaining either, Its different, as is antiX, takes a bit of getting used to,
figure out how settings choices work, then fine. Rox is not windoze like which may not suit some persons, especialy those
who have to switch OS a lot.
As always it is a choice, those who want to use another application can freely do so.Brian Masinick
An intuitive file manager, not seen one yet, all have kinks and quirks.
I have no complaints with rox, users not complaining either, Its different, as is antiX, takes a bit of getting used to,
figure out how settings choices work, then fine. Rox is not windoze like which may not suit some persons, especialy those
who have to switch OS a lot.
As always it is a choice, those who want to use another application can freely do so.Maybe one thing that does particularly suit me is that it’s different; I try to see how many different ways I can accomplish the same (or different) things; in this way PLUS the lean efficient way it accomplishes file management are two of the things I definitely DO appreciate about ROX, plus the early 2000s retro appearance and features!
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Brian Masinickstevesr0
Update re: vlc dependency on libelogind0 in my Sid install. Today’s update of vlc moved it to a nosystemd version (thanks anticapitalista). It is no longer deleted by apt remove libelogind0. The Pipewire packages are still (of course) removed in addition to the previously noted packages.
stevesr0
andyprough
I’m wondering if seatd will resolve one thing for me. I removed slim/slimski, and have been logging into my window manager with a tty login script. That was giving me a frozon Xorg, but I read anti’s post about startx, and once I added ‘needs_root_rights=yes’ to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf then my xorg was working.
However, I think it’s supposed to be ideal to run xorg as a normal user instead of as root. I read that seatd will
Seat management takes care of mediating access to shared devices (graphics, input), without requiring the applications needing access to be root.
Does this mean that with seatd I will no longer need the ‘needs_root_rights=yes’ line?
Just curious.
Xaver
@ anticapitalista
These are good news. Thank you for all your works and efforts. To remove elogind/libelogind0 (and probably polkitd/policykit-1 as well) seems to be a wise decision. I have recently enabled xfce4-power-manager on my notebook by following this instruction from the debian wiki:
https://wiki.debian.org/Xfce-power-manager-troubleshooting
It is ridiculous: All these many (e)logind security doors must be opened to get a functional system!Do you also plan to switch to runit completely?
I have build in VirtualBox a small resuesystem on base of the antiX-21-net-runit-sid_x64-net.iso.
When the installer asked, if I would want seatd, I spontaneously decided to go with it.
At every step of the installation I have checked not to get elogind, polkitd or policikit-1.The system is fast and stable so far. I like its simplicity.
There are three problems only:
1) Iso-files created with iso-snapshot have no access to the internet (resolv.conf is missing).
2) Booted from USB the snapshot freezes on wakup from suspend. (maybe because of problem 3)
3) runit-services-core/base/full-antix cannot be installed.Details on these problems I have posted in the sid section of the antiX forum.
As rescue system and base for Clonezilla this system is fine and stable already. Internet is ok, if resolv.conf is created and edited manually.
olsztyn
1) Iso-files created with iso-snapshot have no access to the internet (resolv.conf is missing).
I have been running antiX 21 runit *elogind*-free for over half a year on all my machines and can confirm it is fast and stable.
In relation to #1 above:
I do not have an issue with Internet access using iso-snapshot image as baseline of antiX from which new antiX Live instances are created using live-usb-maker. resolv.conf is not missing. What happens though:
– Any manually added entries in fstab for SMB network shares are not carried in result of ISO-Snapshot and must be re-done manually on the resulting image. I believe this is a bug in ISO-Snapshot. It is supposed to snapshot of the system the way it is configured.
Live-usb-maker does not have this issue and carries over fstab as is to the clone, when using ‘from running system’ cloning option.
– ISO Snapshot does not seem to be able to use a network share as where the resulting snapshot is to be saved. It seems to work only on local storage, whether Home or Live-Usb-Storage. I typically save in the Live-Usb_storage and later move the snapshot image to the SMB share using zzz.P.S.:
I must say that these bugs in ISO Snapshot are a pain in the neck for me but they have been there for a long time, so they have nothing to do with antiX 21 runit oe *elogind*.
However these bugs renders ISO Snapshot almost useless to me for the following setup:
One laptop (actually two) has antiX 21 Live installed on the internal SATA as ‘Master’, from which to make the actual antiX Live usb plugs, so all Live re-mastering is done on the internal SATA, rather than on usb flash media. Live-usb-maker just copies the final to sticks after appropriate testing of any changes.
The actual content of fstab is faithfully carried over to the Live on usb media. Iso Snapshot does not do it and requires manual modification on the resulting usb Live antiX and remastering that stick to make it permanent. This is contrary to the objective.- This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by olsztyn.
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parametersiznit
polkitd/policykit-1
Why do you desire to remove these? Regardless the rationale, doing so would create the burden of needing to rework the many [[[MANY!]]] debian packages which expect and depend on polkit being present.
– Any manually added entries in fstab for SMB network shares are not carried in result of ISO-Snapshot and must be re-done manually on the resulting image. I believe this is a bug in ISO-Snapshot. It is supposed to snapshot of the system the way it is configured.
Live-usb-maker does not have this issue and carries over fstab as is to the cloneJust want to mention that fstab manual entries is just one way for defining network shares.
Other ways:
– Connectshares developed by SamK has been included in antiX for a long time.
– Smbmap (not sure of the actual final name) script developed by PPC. This is great and flexible utility that dynamically maps SMB shares. Currently it does not support SMB 1.0 though. Great utility although unfortunately for antiX it has not been released or made popular as separate utility on its own but rather it requires installation of the entire FT10 bundle by default. Those who wish just to use this network mapping utility can do so by using just that script without installing the entire FT10 bundle, but unfortunately it does not seem to be popularized as separate so far.- This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by olsztyn.
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
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