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@ olsztyn
I am very happy, that we have iso-snapshot. The snapsshots are bootable and installable.
Does any other distro offer that? To my very delight iso-snapshot even works with runit.@ iznit
No, I do not desire to remove anything and fortunately I must not decide that. I am quite ignorant concerning policykit. From my limited experience with xfce4-power-manager I just wonder, if policykit without elogind makes sense.
The system I have built does work without policykit and yes, that narrows your choice of software. In some cases the dependencies are not neccassary (i.e. BackInTime) and should better be recomendations instead. In such cases a dummy package, which catches the dependencies, would help.olsztyn
I am very happy, that we have iso-snapshot. The snapsshots are bootable and installable.
Does any other distro offer that? To my very delight iso-snapshot even works with runit.Yes, indeed. ISO Snapshot plus Live-usb-maker are some of the greatest assets of antiX. My pointing to some bugs does not mean I do not fully recognize the overall value. It was just for further enhancement to consider.
By the way, ISO Snapshot can also be installed on distros other than antiX or MX, to create snapshots of other distros. It creates squashfs snapshot files the same way and Live snapshots of such distros are bootable, although with ‘MX 19’ splash screen… Therefore its value goes beyond just antiX.Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
iznit
In some cases the dependencies are not neccassary (i.e. BackInTime) and should better be recomendations instead.
okay, thanks for pointing that out
Brian Masinick
So far these discussions are going well. Please do remember that we may not have the “default” user configuration that perfectly suits all of us at the same time.
What we DO have is an EXCELLENT design that allows us to substitute, replace, snapshot, build, or remaster any of the works here and in effect create our own beautiful interpretation of a lean, efficient PERSONAL distribution based on one of the leanest, yet extremely flexible distributions!
TEN THOUSAND CHEERS for snapshots, remastering, Live USB… on and on and on!
Thank you anti and all contributors! We love this stuff!
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Brian Masinick@ olsztyn
I am very happy, that we have iso-snapshot. The snapsshots are bootable and installable.
Does any other distro offer that? To my very delight iso-snapshot even works with runit.Again, needless to say for me that I consider ISO-Snapshot, Live-USB-Maker and Remaster the great assets of antiX that have no comparison out there. As I previously mentioned, I experimented a bit in the past with leveraging ISO-Snapshot going beyond antiX, to make it a more general tool, so it could be used for other distros as well. My experiments were working but the process was not quite straightforward.
As I mentioned over a year ago, Q4OS announced plans that working with MX team, ISO-Snapshot would be implemented for Q4OS as well. However, I have not seen that it actually materialized yet. It must be still worked on…Back to the antiX 22 context though:
Aside from antiX 22 being completely *elogind*-free right from start, I would like to see also some additional enhancements in these areas:Further enhancements to ISO-Snapshot:
– Great as it is, it appears to not work with network shares. Although it initially accepts network share as target for saving the snapshot, after start it comes back with a message on insufficient space on Home. In Live, it works though with Live-USB-Storage.
– In antiX Live scenario (at least) it misses to faithfully copy the content of fstab. Any manual, hard added entries are not carried over into the snapshot. I am not sure if the same issue is with the traditionally installed antiX as well. When I mentioned some issues with ISO-Snapshot in this forum almost two years ago, anticapitalista mentioned that ISO-Snapshot was meant to be for traditionally installed antiX only, not for antiX Live installations. Do we need to make such distinction anymore?…
antiX installed on the internal SATA HD is the best thing that exemplifies existing flexibility of antiX and the best of two worlds… Thanks to Xecure and Christophe for highlighting this feature in those times…Further enhancements to antiX Live boot architecture:
Much has been done in terms of these enhancements in antiX 21. Thank you… However, looking at antiX 22 around the corner, can we please pursue further evolution of these enhancements, such as:
– Clearer and more standing out discovery and ad-hoc built menu for any Frugal antiX installations
– To confirm: Do we still need a separate UEFI boot partition? It appears to me that the current version of syslinux do support UEFI booting. I was able to construct an antiX Live instance with all in just one EXT4 partition, no separate UEFI partition, and the resulting antiX booted both legacy and UEFI laptops just fine….Live-USB-Maker possible enhancement:
Just want to stress that Live-USB-Maker is so good already… Just these, if it is not too much to ask though:
– Cloning of encrypted Live antiX instance. This was mentioned about two years ago and BitJam had started a project at that time…
– Adding an option to create an ISO image of Live antiX, in addition to USB, as target destination of Live-USB-Maker operation. I know, that this would mean the same process as the ISO-Snapshot, so at first it appears to be duplicating ISO-Snapshot process. However, I believe this would not be the same. Looking at boot process and boot log messages appear to differ between using Live USB clone using Live-USB-Maker and Live USB created from image of ISO-Snapshot. This might be what anticapitalista mentioned in the past that ISO-Snapshot was not intended to use on Live antiX. It appears to me that the snapshot seems to remember the specific hardware configuration of the host, while Live-USB-Maker makes target completely dynamic, regardless where it would be booted…
Please correct me if I am mistaken…In any case, thank you for continued evolution of antiX to the new heights…
- This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by olsztyn.
- This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by olsztyn.
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameterscalciumsodium
Hi, I wanted to make a suggestion for future antiX versions. Perhaps this is similar to what @olsztyn was suggesting. Is it possible to create an iso snapshot that memorizes the network settings for your local network such that the iso can boot up automatically to the local network on different computers? For example, I created an iso snapshot on the Slitaz os that memorized the network settings for my local network. When I boot up the Slitaz iso on different computers, the network is automatically connected. Thanks.
andyprough
I disagree with @olsztyn on the recommended new features. The beauty of these tools lies in their simplicity. I think it would be good to have tools that can handle encrypted drives and network shares and so forth like @olsztyn requests, but not as expansions of the current utilities. Maybe as separate new tools.
Brian Masinick
I appreciate both ideas but separate tools is probably a better solution for specific requirements.
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
Individuals can create either snapshot images or remastered images of particular features. I do it all the time for my own peculiar interests and it works well and I can put custom stuff on multiple computers; really nice!
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Brian MasinickI disagree with @olsztyn on the recommended new features. The beauty of these tools lies in their simplicity. I think it would be good to have tools that can handle encrypted drives and network shares and so forth like @olsztyn requests, but not as expansions of the current utilities. Maybe as separate new tools.
I appreciate such insight and I am all for simplicity. That is what antiX stands for – simplicity and utmost dexterity that goes with adopted strategy.
With all my respect I would shed some additional light on these points:
– Handling encrypted usb drives by Live-USB-Maker is not an extension. Live-USB-Maker has been capable of handling encrypted drives for years. You can use an encrypted USB drive as source for Live-USB-Maker now and e.g. make an unencrypted USB drive and vice versa. So handling encrypted USB drives is already included in Live-USB-Maker and works for the above tasks. So what I was proposing was to resolve an issue that was discussed some two years ago that BitJam had started. I would have to dig out that conversation from those times but it boils down to technical details how it is implemented, an issue arises when kernel is changed on an encrypted Live instance of antiX, subsequently Live-USB-Maker creates an non-bootable stick. Also cloning an encrypted Live antiX to an encrypted clone directly does not work for the same reason.
Therefore what I was proposing is not any extension of Live-USB but simply streamlining and perfecting of existing Live-USB-Maker. This was the project BitJam had started about two years ago that I was referring to.
On the other hand it is not affecting any large population of users, so it was apparently far from being a priority. Also there are workarounds in the meantime. E.g. if I want to clone an encrypted Live antiX to create another encrypted antiX copy, I run Live-USB-Maker twice – first to unencrypted, then from such unencrypted to encrypted.– Streamlining of Live boot menus I was suggesting is also not any extension or a ‘new feature’. These functions already exist, such as dynamic discovery of Frugal instance and building a menu of them for the user to select. But they are buried in the boot menu hierarchy. So my suggestion was to make them more clearly exposed.
– Handling network shares for target of ISO-Snapshot is a rather naturally arising requirement, since snapshots are often large in size and the size of local /Home is often limited. Besides, ISO-Snapshot does not seem to balk at existing network share selected as target. It just fails in further process, which is just an inconsistency in behavior.
– So the only ‘additional feature’ from what I was proposing was the capability of Live-USB-Maker to make an ISO in addition to working directly on hardware media as target. IMHO this would be a nice enhancement.
None of these is critical, so I do not expect development team to focus on these. However I just want to keep them in sight as ideas. And some such could contribute to antiX 22 being more than just making antiX *elogind*-free from the outset. It is *elogind*-free now, which I appreciate, so some additional value as part of antiX 22 would be great to have.
The above are just ideas for streamlining existing antiX, not additional features, for consideration…- This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by olsztyn.
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersBrian Masinick
Thank you for explaining your perspective. Whether your suggestions are included or not they are still reasonable and legitimate, well documented ideas and explanation.
In the event they don’t make the release I encourage anyone with the skills to include the modifications in a remastered build; that certainly makes for a useful community enhancement.
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Brian Masinickandyprough
Ahh, my apologies @olsztyn, since I had not followed any of these issues like you had I thought what was being proposed was adding a lot of complicated options to ISO-snapshot and Live-USB-maker. I see that you also appreciate the uncomplicated nature of these tools as well, but just would like to wrap up some outstanding issues. Very good – if it makes the tools better without making them more complex, then that is obviously a desirable goal. Thank you for the background.
Ahh, my apologies @olsztyn, since I had not followed any of these issues like you had I thought what was being proposed was adding a lot of complicated options to ISO-snapshot and Live-USB-maker. I see that you also appreciate the uncomplicated nature of these tools as well, but just would like to wrap up some outstanding issues. Very good – if it makes the tools better without making them more complex, then that is obviously a desirable goal. Thank you for the background.
No apologies are required, of course… So needless for me to say this… All us are trying to contribute whether with actual work, testing or just ideas to already magnificent accomplishment of anticapitalista’s strategy of lean and dexterous antiX…
I just happen to have good historical memory for details and solutions, so do not usually need to dig out old posts. I still clearly remember the process you outlined for me one and half year ago, how to compile DWM (thanks again for that), as an example…- This reply was modified 10 months, 2 weeks ago by olsztyn.
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
marcelocripe
Anticapitalista, after my suggestions and especially my requests related to the most recent translations.
What can I do to help you?
Before I even know your answer, what I can offer to help you:
I can provide a computer connected to the Internet that can run all day some program that performs the same task several times automatically;
I can make a computer connected to the internet available to run some program that performs automatic conversion of .po files to .mo (currently, I know how to convert .po files to .mo one by one and manually);
Are there other ways I can help you?Important Note: Mr Andrew Bibb updated the CMST ConnMan on 05-01-2022 and the new features to antiX users.
Many thanks for antiX Linux.
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Anticapitalista, após as minhas sugestões e principalmente os meus pedidos relacionados as traduções mais recentes.
O que eu posso fazer para te ajudar?
Antes mesmo de saber a sua resposta, o que eu posso oferecer para te ajudar:
Eu posso disponibilizar um computador conectado na internet que pode ficar executando o dia todo algum programa que realiza uma mesma tarefa várias vezes automaticamente;
Eu posso disponibilizar um computador conectado na internet para ficar executando algum programa que realiza conversão automática dos arquivos .po para .mo (atualmente, eu sei fazer a conversão dos arquivos .po para .mo um a um e manualmente);
Existem outras formas que eu posso te ajudar?Nota importante: O senhor Andrew Bibb atualizou o CMST ConnMan no dia 01-05-2022 e podem ser interessantes os novos recursos aos usuários do antiX.
Muito obrigado pelo antiX Linux.
andyprough
I’m wondering if seatd will resolve one thing for me. I removed slim/slimski, and have been logging into my window manager with a tty login script. That was giving me a frozon Xorg, but I read anti’s post about startx, and once I added ‘needs_root_rights=yes’ to /etc/X11/Xwrapper.conf then my xorg was working.
However, I think it’s supposed to be ideal to run xorg as a normal user instead of as root. I read that seatd will
Seat management takes care of mediating access to shared devices (graphics, input), without requiring the applications needing access to be root.
Does this mean that with seatd I will no longer need the ‘needs_root_rights=yes’ line?
Just curious.
Answering my own question – I did not realize when I posted the above question that ownership of the Xorg process is handed over to the user rather than staying with root, even though I’m using the ‘needs_root_rights=yes’ option. So this isn’t a problem that needs to be addressed by seatd from what I can tell.
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