antiX-23.1-full-runit 64 bit for testers only

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@stevesr0

GREAT work following up on the ideas and suggestions. Your explanations and credits are very good and admirable.

I had a nice breakthrough today too. It’s been quite a few years since I’ve built a good Core or Base instance
of antiX, so I made up my mind to do it on my Dell, which is capable of working on older kernels, which sure
helps when you’re using Net, Core, or Base.

Turns out I was super close the other day; I actually had most of it working and I was just getting a funny
message when I manually ran startx. I clicked on the message today and got in! The rest was adding a few
more packages so that I can use my pre-existing configurations and tools that I copied to my Core partition
from my other working versions of antiX on the Dell Inspiron 5558; thought I was LOSING it at first, now
I’ve regained the confidence to build antiX Core AND antiX Base; got ’em working on this Dell;
my HP-14 may not be IMPOSSIBLE to get these running, but it’d take a “sneaker-net” using multiple partitions,
copying in /lib/modules, new kernels and other stuff like I had to do at first with antiX 21-22 on my Acer
Aspire 5 A515-55, the one with the really fast NVME SSD, and also the terrible Acer system management tool;
I got rid of that thing, fast as it was because both the Dell and the HP have so much better BIOS/mgt. tools.
I do still have an Acer Chromebook 715, and it runs like a mini rocket even though it’s 2019 technology;
I’m keeping ChromeOS on that thing, no messing with it because it runs well.

Anyway, congratulations to you on your achievements; I’m happy today too with this Core setup now running well!

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Brian Masinick wrote:

no messing with it because it runs well

That’s my motto, when it comes to computers. Almost every single time I broke that rule, I regreted it… If it isn’t broke, don’t fix it…

Mini off-topic rant:
My problem with ChromeOS is that, well… I love my privacy, so I try to give companies the least possible amount of data about me that I can. Ex: google has enabled it’s anti- anti-adds in YouTube- there’s at least already a complaint in the European Court – because that’s invading user’s privacy- no one should check, without asking, what kind of software I use on my computer, even if it’s anti-add software, causing profits for the company that provides web services to come down, because I’m not seeing adds, so they don’t get paid. Well, I don’t lose sleep about that – they have plenty millions to spare (I could use some myself).

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I don’t mind about the ads and money. Unlike many other huge companies I have at least seen Alphabet/Google occasionally show good will and a degree of sharing that humongous wealth.

Earlier in their history I got a free Chromebook to analyze and share my feedback. It was an early 2010 Christmas present in a year when my job and income was a fraction of what it had been only a year and a half earlier.

For anyone who has an issue with big companies, IBM really disappointed me. On one hand they were the first big company to recognize Linux. On the other hand they recently dismantled a really useful Linux distribution in order to further monetize their commercial Linux program.

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Back to the matter on topic, the antix 23.1 change. It worked for me in the test and it shows up in each antix instances I have updated too.

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When Rox Icewm is selected the default Filemanager is not Rox, that is inconsistent, unexpected.

My experience is that a number of users I assist, in particular those who are older or with some limitations in learning
find zzzfm confusing/overwhelming. I agree.

Regarding menus, Much of what is in the controll center is also shown in menus giving a bloaty overloaded appearance,
and less usability.

Giving users two sticks, antiX 23.1. one with the duplicate entrys in menus set to hidden and one as delivered results in a
clear vote, the version with less menu entrys wins.

Controll center is, for users the expected location for many settings and tools, it is clear, well thought out and easy to use.

[Member calciumsodium]

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Xunzi_23 wrote:

When Rox Icewm is selected the default Filemanager is not Rox, that is inconsistent, unexpected.

I did not observe this behavior. In the installed system, when I select the rox-icewm desktop, and when I select file manager from the menu, I get the rox-filer.

I also agree with @stevesr0, the toggle on/off for pipewire makes more sense to be under the multimedia submenu. That is where all the alsamixer, pavucontrol choices is currently located.

[Forum Admin anticapitalista]

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Xunzi_23 wrote:

Older kernel, blinkende cursor top left, even after longer than a long time.
Much more attractive, a green screen total crash on present device.

Still wins my prize as one of the worst kernels ever.

Can you try the 5.10.199 version for me?

http://repo.antixlinux.com/uploads/bookworm/main/

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Hi calciumsodium, you misunderstand, rox is always available from the menu.

zzzfm is both in the toolbar and set as default in mime types. Its a small detail
but the kind critics pounce on and as I wrote confuses new users and some others
I talk to.

@anticapitalista, will try and test the suggested kernel this evening, have
to do what you call real work now and from pretty early tomorrow.

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Xunzi_23 wrote:

When Rox Icewm is selected the default Filemanager is not Rox,

Xunzi_23 wrote:

zzzfm is both in the toolbar and set as default in mime types.

Hm, I dont see this here.If rox-icewm is choosed, either from the boot menu or from the “Change Desktop” option on the menu,
the file manager in the toolbar gets changed to rox and the files folder on dektop gets changed and the menuentry for file manager gets changed to rox.

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@Zunzi_23 – Are you sure you are not mistaking the “IceWM” desktop for the “Rox IceWM” desktop?
A while ago my suggestion, that since zzzfm was the default file manager, it should also be the default file manager if no desktop icons where being managed was accepted by anticapitalista… Before that, the default FM for the “IceWM” desktop was “rox”.

I understand that some users may like the simpler way rox looks, just a window with files and folders inside it, and little else… But most computer users expect a “modern” looking File Manager, with Bookmarks, Trash Can, multiple tabs, etc. I’m not debating if zzzfm is better than rox or rox is better than zzzfm- they are just different variations on a theme. There are somethings that rox can’t do, and there are another things zzzfm can’t do…

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First things first, 5.10.199 does boot reliably on the device which otherwise green screened.

I can not get volume icon as yet with pipe. I do have sound. PPC Pls consider adding a personal ? remaster
must be done to get sound and to make it stick if after live boot pipewire is red/OFF. And it is switched on.

@PPC I set Rox Icewm. have zzzfm in taskbar. at present only testing 23.1 live, maybe I can prepare a new
stick on the weekend. Yet another from intenso is giving issues so I must order a couple of replacements.
San Disk has up to now been most reliable, but I only buy the products with minimum 5 year warranty..

I can not do an install to SSD or NVME at present, first I must be sure my printers will work without issues.

Experiments on user devices are also live only, I don’t want a broken nose or worse…

regarding Rox ZZZFM there are even users who doubleclick and refuse to take the risk of Repeated Strain Injury
or tingling fingers seriously.

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[Member PPC]

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@anticapitalista – I do not know what you changed in this iso, but just like the one of the betas of antiX 23, my Dell laptop, that usually has a strange problem with antiX, and does not work with auto login (the desktop only refreshes to show the menu, and nothing else, so I have to log off the window manager, reach the log in manager, log back in entering my password and then the live system works- in an installed system I can’t even configure antiX to memorize my user name… it requires me to enter username and password, to correctly log-in)- in this version of antiX 23.1 Live, it works great – I just get automatically logged into the desktop, that works correctly. Whatever is different in this version, please keep it!!!
Audio works fine by default, in pipewire, volume icon pops up and works fine.
I noticed that now the IceWM toolbar includes the IceWM Control Centre 🙂
antiX Cloud is installed out of the box, cool… Problem: when I configure an account, firefox open up… and complains it’s already running- I did not get that in antiX 23… it’s a reported problem, the solution is already available in the forum…

EDIT: small improvements:
– the big icons, when you hover the mouse pointer on the quicklaunchers is back by default (nice for people with bad eye sight)
– the calendar (on the icewm toolbar) has a tiny update – you can click any date to enter an all day event. Days with events are in bold, if you hover the pointer on them, a tooltip shows the event. That’s all the calendar does, no alarms, nothing more than this (events can be deleted/edited by double left clicking on the day)

@Zunzi_23- I can’t really replicate the rox problem- I selected “rox-icewm”, clicked the File Manager icon on the toolbar or the menu and rox opens up…

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[Member calciumsodium]

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I tried out the toggle on/off for pipewire.

In the installed system, I toggled pipewire off and rebooted.

I tried out ytfzf. Even though the audio output says alsa. There is still some error message regarding pipewire.

I saw this error before when I was testing antiX23 b3. To not see this error message, I had to remove /usr/share/pipewire. But that is not good for those that want to keep pipewire installed.

$ ytfzf
Search
> ly thi tam
Scraping YouTube (with https://invidious.private.coffee) (ly thi tam, pg: 1)
 (+) Video --vid=1 (*) (vp9 3840x2160 60.000fps)
 (+) Audio --aid=1 --alang=eng (*) (opus 2ch 48000Hz)
     Subs  --sid=1 --slang=live_chat 'json' (null) (external)
File tags:
 Uploader: Ly Thi Tam
 Channel_URL: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCPJSX7I0CTrnYkAmc_HQWg
[ao/pipewire] Could not connect to context '(null)': Host is down
AO: [alsa] 48000Hz stereo 2ch float
VO: [gpu] 3840x2160 yuv420p

[Forum Admin anticapitalista]

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@calciumsodium – I cannot reproduce this.

I booted live (fromiso), 6.1 kernel and tested smtube and ytfzf with default pipewire and audio/video works.
(I searched for a band called ‘the the’ in both cases and then played the video).
I then toggled pipewire off and repeated the above and sound (and video) works with alsa as well.

Another thing to test – playing dvd/vcd/audio cd with pipewire and with pipewire toggled off (for those of you that still use dvd/cd drive).

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

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In the previous post, every thing plays and sound is good, when I play the ytfzf video.

It is just that there is that error message in terminal:

[ao/pipewire] Could not connect to context '(null)': Host is down

Which leads me to think that there may be a residual pipewire configuration that is still active, even when pipewire is “off.” But sound is still good.

anticapitalista wrote:

Another thing to test – playing dvd/vcd/audio cd with pipewire and with pipewire toggled off (for those of you that still use dvd/cd drive).

I put in a CD with momma mia and roxette music. I open XMMS and go into the /media/sr0 directory. I click on the file to play. I click play. But nothing happens. I don’t really use xmms very much. Maybe an expert can tell me what to do to really test if playing music on CD works on this test antiX23.1 system. Please see picture.

Edit: After some searching, found out that xmms cannot play .wma by default. A plugin has to be installed.

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