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      I’m not sure how most people will feel about this suggestion (that came from another thread – https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/pin-your-favorite-apps-to-the-top-of-icewm-menu/#post-99585):

      Is the Dev team interested in a GUI script that toggles between showing a “Personal” sub-menu and showing “Pinned Apps” (that includes all apps in the personal config file) on the first layer of the menu, below the app-select icon?
      It allows fast access to all the user preferred apps, but, on the down side, if they are too many (and/or the menu font is too big) the top of the menu can be off screen.
      A plus side is that using the underlined Letter on each menu entry users can jump straight to what they want- this was tested only on IceWM.
      For now the best GUI way to manage those entries is the “fast_personal_menu_editor.sh” script.
      If you are interest on this idea, I can try creating the script that perform that toggle.

      I’m sorry if it seems that I’m trying to push some UX ideas from FT10 to the default antiX configuration, but I do so only because they make the system even easier to use, without altering it too much.

      P.

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        See https://xanmod.org/ for the Xanmod kernel, which can be set up for various processor types,
        and see https://liquorix.net/ for the Liquorix kernel if you are interested.

        Both have worked well with Linux systems for years.

        Proceed with caution; as anticapitalista stated, kernels compiled with different compiler releases may result in unusual behavior; they may work, they may not. He is absolutely right; so far my experiments with these alternative kernels, which usually work, are not doing very well at all on the Alpha build 1.

        I will come back later with them because I do have very good success with both of these on MX Linux, Debian, and stable instances of antiX too.
        So I won’t give up on these; they are VERY GOOD for interactive workloads, whether you do any “gaming” or not. Damentz, the guy who does the Liquorix kernel in particular, has done really well with it for a long time. He also overcame a recent (unexpected) issue with his kernel builds during the month of January and they’ve been running well ever since, but I *DID* run into issues with them and our early build. I suggest patience; I also anticipate improvements as we mature and build out or next release. By the time it’s FINAL all of these niggling matters will be far behind us, I’m confident in this!

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          Liquorix kernel is no good for all those getting problems with NVidia, the propriety
          drivers needed for best graphics performance will not install with it. It has been
          that way for a long time.
          On the xanmod page the note says NVidia drivers are not supported.

          The present antiX 6 series kernel is stable enough to have run for days without issues or
          proven memory leaks. Localy users are trying to figure out exactly what causes the
          increase in memory usage noted by anticapitalista at a very early testing stage.

          Although an early release the setup is better in usage than many so called stable distros.
          Here it is present daily driver in all non critical tasks with a couple of pretty experienced
          persons.

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            https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/qt
            https://github.com/desktop-app/qt5ct

            By reading this it seems that the qt theme is based on the config file used by qt5ct. The font section in the config file isnt exactly “human readable”, so I guess one way to do it would be to run qt5ct and select the desired font, save, and then copy the local config file ~/.config/qt5ct/qt5ct.conf to /etc/xdg/qt5ct/qt5ct.conf (default configuration file) on the iso.

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              Liquorix kernel is no good for all those getting problems with NVidia, the propriety
              drivers needed for best graphics performance will not install with it. It has been
              that way for a long time.
              On the xanmod page the note says NVidia drivers are not supported.

              The present antiX 6 series kernel is stable enough to have run for days without issues or
              proven memory leaks. Localy users are trying to figure out exactly what causes the
              increase in memory usage noted by anticapitalista at a very early testing stage.

              Although an early release the setup is better in usage than many so called stable distros.
              Here it is present daily driver in all non critical tasks with a couple of pretty experienced
              persons.

              Good comments; I agree with you. I regularly test a variety of different kernels and I definitely test our Version 4, 5, and 6 kernels too on various different systems. Unfortunately until we get a V6+ kernel as one of the bootable choices, I won’t be able to test on one of my systems, the HP-14 laptop because it has a newer wireless driver; without support for that driver, I cannot test on that system; I can only retrofit stuff; I am, and I have been, testing antiX 23 on one of my other systems.

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                Repeated strange network activity and growing log files:

                Digging deeper, NTP is installed and demonized.
                Connman also provides NTP time synch and setting functionality which is active, both compete.

                Done some manual reading, to solve it should be sufficient to set connman time updates to false
                in /var/lib/connman settings.
                That should (I hope) quieten the network and get rid of a lot of error logging disk writes.

                /var/lib/connman/settings
                [global]
                OfflineMode=false
                TimeUpdates=false # set to false, it is true in the alpha. Maybe 22 also, not yet checked.
                TimezoneUpdates=auto

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                  Shouldn’t the font in QT apps match the font in GTK apps by default? It seems the default for QT apps is a monospace font. It can easily be changed in the QT5 settings, but should probably by default be the matching one.

                  Ok, but where is the font information ‘stored’ for qt apps?

                  ~/.config/qt5ct/qt5ct.conf

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                    Shouldn’t the font in QT apps match the font in GTK apps by default? It seems the default for QT apps is a monospace font. It can easily be changed in the QT5 settings, but should probably by default be the matching one.

                    Ok, but where is the font information ‘stored’ for qt apps?

                    ~/.config/qt5ct/qt5ct.conf

                    Have you looked at the font section in that file? It is totally incomprehensible.
                    Also, making the font change in qt5ct, qt5ct.conf remains unchanged.

                    Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

                    antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

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                      Shouldn’t the font in QT apps match the font in GTK apps by default? It seems the default for QT apps is a monospace font. It can easily be changed in the QT5 settings, but should probably by default be the matching one.

                      Ok, but where is the font information ‘stored’ for qt apps?

                      ~/.config/qt5ct/qt5ct.conf

                      Have you looked at the font section in that file? It is totally incomprehensible.
                      Also, making the font change in qt5ct, qt5ct.conf remains unchanged.

                      Strange, for me it does change in this file after making changes in the Qt5 config tool..
                      It is incomprehensible (some binary format) though. Nevertheless, the value for Ubuntu size 10 seems to be:
                      general=@Variant(\0\0@\0\0\0\x12\0M\0o\0n\0o\0s\0p\0\x61\0\x63\0\x65@\”\0\0\0\0\0\0\xff\xff\xff\xf0)

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                        Yes, the 6.1 kernel starts with more memory usage, but it does not increase, even after a very long time.
                        Another positive thing I noticed is that the screen tearing on intel cards has disappeared here with the modesetting driver.

                        I agree; I had our 6.1.10 kernel installed and I saw no inefficiencies or issues whatsoever.

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                          Btw: Is there a better place for me to report zzfm issues? Is there a GitHub repository for this somewhere maybe?

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                            Btw: Is there a better place for me to report zzfm issues? Is there a GitHub repository for this somewhere maybe?

                            https://gitlab.com/antiX-Linux/zzzfm-antix

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                              All our iso files are built from scratch – including core and net – by using our in-house build-iso scripts.

                              Understood. I will patiently await the arrival of antiX 23 core.

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                                I compared 5.10 kernel and 6.1.11 kernel on antiX22 (bullseye) and found the 6.1 kernel to leak memory.
                                Initial boot RAM is slightly higher than the 5.10 ie about 4 MB higher.
                                BUT after a few minutes of use, it jumps to being 30 MB higher.

                                Just to add my test experience with kernel 6.1.10 antiX vs. kernel 5.10.142 on antiX/Bookworm/SID on Thinkpad X220, i5, 4Gb, from about 2011:
                                – Upon boot memory footprint started with about 10Mb larger than with kernel 5.10.142. Not bad so far…
                                – With no user interaction, not even touching mouse memory footprint grew by itself with kernel 6.1.10 by another 20Gb within about a minute. This does not happen for me with kernel 5.10.142, where memory footprint stays as was initially. So within a minute or so memory footprint on kernel 6.1.10 was about 30Mb larger with no user activity.
                                – Upon user activity – using some apps and subsequently ending them: Memory footprint with kernel 6.1.10 ended up fluctuating in the range 35-65Mb over the initial footprint, although all apps have been terminated. With kernel 5.10.142 memory footprint always returned to just a bit above the initial memory footprint (1-4Mb) or just all the way to the initial value.
                                – Over prolonged use of apps, it appeared to me that minimum memory footprint with kernel 6.1.10 grew steadily a little bit, about 1-2 Mb over some minutes, using ps_mem.py as measurement. However I could not determine how long this would continue as my time was running out. This seemed an indication of memory leak to me.

                                My interpretation on the above findings:
                                – Kernel 6.1.10 appeared to behave very differently on boot as for some reason memory footprint grew by itself 20Mb over the initial 10Mb, without user doing anything. Perhaps a different design caused more functions to be activated over the first minute.
                                – Using various apps and terminating them – fluctuation of memory footprint with kernel 6.1.10 by 35-65Mb over initial is rather strange but could be the result of variance of garbage collection levels or something else as part of memory management. Something new in design, assuming it is not just a bug.

                                I think the choice of kernel 6.1.nnn as standard for antiX 23 is a good one in spite of some memory leak, considering this leak issue will likely be fixed over time. I remember with kernel 5.10 it also took some time to fix memory leak, until 5.10.142 to make it almost perfect.
                                However it seems to me the average memory footprint increase of about 30Mb (in my estimate) is here to stay.
                                At this time I have both kernels installed in my antiX/Bookworm/SID, continuing testing on various laptops and aside from memory footprint aspect I have not experienced issues with either kernel, be it in Intel graphics, AMD graphics or nVidia graphics laptops (nVidia ones running Nouveau driver though).

                                Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
                                https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

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                                  concerning memory leak in antiX23 a1 with 6.1 kernel:

                                  I have this system with both 6.1.10-antix and 6.1.10-liquorix installed.

                                  When I booted into 6.1.10-antix kernel, in idle, the memory was initially 159 Mb, then after a brief moment, it jumped to 167 Mb. Then after another brief moment, it jumped to 171 Mb. Then after another brief moment, it jumped to 175 Mb. Then it stayed at 175 Mb. Note during this test, the computer was idle. I was just observing the memory in conky.

                                  Then I booted into 6.1.10-liquorix kernel. In idle, the memory was initially 181 Mb. Then it went to 182 Mb and stayed there.

                                  The memory jump may depend on the flavor of the 6.1 kernel.

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