antiX-23-alpha1-runit-full (64bit) for testing

[Member Xunzi_23]

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Many thanks for assistance Dave,

will check and do test as soon as I finish a few other chores.

[Member calciumsodium]

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Xunzi_23 wrote:

After further system searching, Regarding logging, seems to me that

/usr/local/lib/desktop-session/lib-logging-ds

is the executing desktop logging code,
Big question how can I turn off execution without risking nasty side
effects.

This is what I do.

In line 104 of

/usr/local/lib/desktop-session/lib-logging-ds

change:
mv "$log_file" "$user_dts_dir/old-log-$date.log";

to

mv "$log_file" "$user_dts_dir/old-log.log";

This will overwrite the old log file every time you reboot. That way, you don’t have to so many old log files.

Also, if you don’t want to have such a big log file, then in ~/.desktop-session/desktop-session.conf
create the option
LOG_LEVEL=”number”
I think the default is

LOG_LEVEL=9

If you set your
LOG_LEVEL=0
then the log file will be blank.

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5.16 last for 3DNow! https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tip/tip.git/commit/?id=c6dbd3e5e69cf3ca47a3864115d4cbdd44619243

Mesa 21.1.8 last for SSE https://linuxreviews.org/Mesa_Considers_Dropping_Default_Support_For_16%2B_Year_Old_x86_CPUs
Mesa 21.3.9 last for old graphics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_(computer_graphics)

Amber branch is for old drivers without Gallium 3D Functions like Radeon R200, intel i915 and 965 with actual version 21.3.9

Please add 21.1.8 for 32 bit and 21.3.9 for 64 bit

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[Member Xunzi_23]

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Many thanks Dave and calciumsodium.
Now all updates, clear on usage and can soon have another talk about reanimating unused
older laptops and other hardware.
antiX is not just good, it also now looks that way. With new tools making admin tasks
and user setup much easier what can beat it, nothing I know of.

[Member Xunzi_23]

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Just to wrap up the theme of desktop session logging, the new script is
just what was needed to keep the data protection rep quiet.
Poor person has to put up with MS illegality in EU, will not accept a
replacement he is unsure of.

lib-logging-ds Authors listed as : BitJam, Dave Many thanks from me and on
behalf of users who will probably never see or appreciate the work done by
unsung heroes who make using antiX such a good experience.

/usr/local/lib/desktop-session/lib-logging-ds

Section log rotate Line 101  log_amount="5"; is as delivered.

I have reduced the number to 2 
and lowered log level to 5 = warning in the way suggested by calciumsodium and dave.

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[Member Robin]

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Xunzi_23 wrote:

the new script is
just what was needed to keep the data protection rep quiet.
Poor person has to put up with MS illegality in EU,

This looks to me like a misconception of data protection as well as of the MS issue in EU.
The point rendering MS illegal in EU is not that their OS writes some logfiles possibly containing some personal data on the user’s own PC. This would be absolutely fine. What they do is: Sending all the data (and not even some logfiles only) of all Users to their servers to the US for processing. And that’s an issue, since US law only protects citizens of the US. Not being a citizen of US you haven’t even the right to ask what they do with the data they collect this way about you personally, or what they have stored about you. And that’s why what MS does is illegal in EU. And it’s something very different than storing some logfiles locally on your personal computer running as a single user.

Xunzi_23 wrote:

for usage in an environment
where multi users are involved and data protection laws come in to play.

On multi user systems there are way more personal data to be taken into account than just logfiles, all of them stored in home folder.
Generally each user on a multi user system should have his own home folder, without access to other users home folders (as long not wilfully granted by a user to others), which is properly set in antiX. Then everything is fine from the aspect of data protection.

If you are running it in a public area, there should be used something known as “kiosk mode”. Some proposals (untested) to achieve this feature on antiX:

1.) create a separate public user account. Set strong passwords for non public accounts.
2.) restrict the public users permissions so he can’t reach anything outside the public home folder. Also Restrict the groups and services/programs he has access to or can run.
3.) log off current public user account automatically after a predetermined time of inactivity.
4.) let a script take the following action: immediately after logoff delete (not trash!) the complete public home folder and restore it from a fresh virgin copy, containing all settings for the public account.
5.) present a modified logon screen, explaining something like „click to start” instead of asking for a user login, but logging in the user actually to the public account when clicking on it. In the message should be explained that user should logoff himself before leaving the station (and that this logoff will happen after …seconds or …minutes of inactivity automatically)

This way you won’t have any issues with data protection. Even browser history and all data possibly stored by programs and applications will be cleared, along with all the logfiles in public users home.

But please be aware when giving people public access this way to a public PC station, you might need to take some precautions to make sure no criminal action can be performed by anonymous users, otherwise you could get into trouble. There might exist certain lawful logging duties in your country you have to obey when granting public access to e.g. internet, which primarily document that it wasn’t you having committed crime, but somebody else, and it allows law enforcement authorities to trace down the true culprit after confiscating the logs. The range of what has to be logged obligatory (and how these data is to be protected) when running such a public service is subject to the laws of the country you live in. It is not something antiX can solve, the administrator running the public service has to care for all this.

So I don’t see any issues in data protection on antiX, even not with these logfiles you are concerned about. As already said in the beginning , this is something completely different from what MS does with your data.

Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

[Member PPC]

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@Off topic, but relevant, taking into account the previous posts:

Software that logs data and stores it in situ (on the device itself) and does not send the data anywhere (i.e to another device) , is not violating European data protection Laws. Those laws refere only to transmitting and or storing (not locally, on the device) that data.
Like Robin said – a different situation is your privacy, if you share your device with anyone else.
Ideally, you should have a user for yourself and a “Guest” user, for anyone else. All data on your home folder should be marked as read only by yourself (some OS are beginning to implement this by default). For a (more) completely secure home folder, it should be encrypted (I never messed with that).

To me, the problem with excessive logging of data is the possibility to wear the hard drive, to waste hard drive space (I read reports of log files that are on the GB’s range of size), and yes, allow anyone with access to your computer, a way to check out what you’ve been doing, if they can read your log files.

P.

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[Member calciumsodium]

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Concerning video and sound quality in this alpha1 test system:

I recently tested this alpha1 test system on our home computer that is hooked up to our TV that has 1080p resolution.

WOW!!

The video quality of this alpha1 system is superior to the antiX21 system that was previously installed on this computer/TV system.

The pictures and videos have sharper and more vibrant colors. It is night and day difference on 1080p resolution.

I had done previous tests with this alpha1 system on older monitors. On these older monitors, the video difference is not as stark.

If you have a 1080p monitor or TV, try out this alpha1 test system. You will be amazed at the difference in video quality.

Now to the sound.

Previously on this computer/TV system, I had used pulseaudio. But with this alpha1 test system, I found that plain old ALSA is good enough.

So, very positive on video and sound!

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@calciumsodium – thanks – is that with both kernels?

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

[Member calciumsodium]

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The video and sound tests were done with the 6.1 kernel. I have gone exclusively with the 6.1 kernel.

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What changes in the alpha are affecting the video and sound?

(Parenthetically, the major benefits of add-ons like Pulseaudio or Pipewire over alsa alone for a simple end user of audio-video was the ease of switching sources and sinks and connecting to Bluetooth. But, I am an ignoramus about this, amongst many other things…)

stevesr0

[Member calciumsodium]

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For video, I think it is the new Xorg renderer. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[Member Xunzi_23]

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The functionality regarding logging I asked about was present, I just did not know how to use it.
I asked, was helped and thanked the persons concerned for assistance.

Problem solved. At no point in the current topic did I say antiX is in any way at fault or deficient.

AntiX23 is although at alpha stage brilliant work, Robin and PPC are a part of that and the work done
highly appreciated.

Enough: For me topic excessive logging closed.

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[Member Robin]

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Yes, I can confirm, the colours are actually brighter and clearer on antiX 23 (I’m also running only 6.1.10 kernel). I was aware of this while making tests on new aCSTV, but I thought it was due to a particularly high coloured tv streams only, so I hadn’t the idea that was related to the new system. The colours are that bright and clear now again as I was used from the proprietary nvidia drivers on antiX 17 some years ago (no, the recent PC doesn’t have a nvidia card, it’s running on ati.) There is a noticeable improvement. That’s great!

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6.2 last for old graphics https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.3-Dropping-Old-DRM

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