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February 5, 2023 at 5:22 pm #98925Member
sasa_
::Old PC.
Machine: Mobo: ASUSTeK model: P5K v: Rev 1.xx serial: <superuser required> BIOS: American Megatrends v: 1201 date: 10/14/2008 CPU: Info: dual core Intel Core2 Duo E8500 [MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 2231 min/max: 1998/3163 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GT218 [GeForce 8400 GS Rev. 3]It doesn’t work for me, the system doesn’t start, only a green screen appears
February 5, 2023 at 5:30 pm #98926MemberPPC
::I also tested plank- it installs fine, works, but complains about an error, on the terminal. The same bug that existed when using plank, a compositor and icewm (part of the screen becomes “unclicable”) is still present…
Note: this bug was reported, last year: https://github.com/bbidulock/icewm/issues/653
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February 5, 2023 at 5:31 pm #98928Moderator
Brian Masinick
::Tried playing a YouTube video, since I recently had an issue on siduction. At first I was dismayed and heard nothing, (no working speaker) so I found a headphone jack and plugged it in – success! Video works on this Alpha build – in fact, the stereo, multi-channel capabilities work, another positive check! Alsa mixer changes, at least those applicable to the device I was able to test with, are working as expected.
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Brian MasinickFebruary 5, 2023 at 5:55 pm #98931Membercalciumsodium
::Regarding iso-snapshot and live-usb-maker on this antiX23 a1:
I made an iso snapshot of my system with a 6.1 liquorix kernel and did live usb maker.
On the boot up menu, there were two things that stood out.
1. I saw
%FULL DISTRO NAME% (%RELEASE DATE%)
I suppose those are not known.
2. But the more distressing thing is that in boot options, it showed:
%OPTIONS%
So I pressed entered and booted up, during the boot it showed error in boot options.But I was able to complete the boot. I am typing this message in this live boot.
In sudo dmesg,
I was able to find:
[ 0.000000] Command line: %OPTIONS%
and[ 0.018806] Kernel command line: audit=0 intel_pstate=disable hpet=disable rcupdate.rcu_expedited=1 %OPTIONS% [ 0.018833] audit: disabled (until reboot) [ 0.018873] Unknown kernel command line parameters "%OPTIONS%", will be passed to user space.But it seems like everything is working OK, similar to my installed system without the iso snapshot.
As a comparison, on my antiX21 system with the 6.1 liquorix kernel after iso snapshot and live usb maker, I did not get any of these error messages during boot of the live system of the snapshot. In the boot menu, for options in that system, it had
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February 5, 2023 at 6:54 pm #98936Moderator
Brian Masinick
::PPC wrote: “Now some suggestions about the User Interface:
I think having too many of those resource indicators on icewm can be confusing – 4 little black boxes? Ideally 2 would be perfect (one for networks, another for system resources like RAM and CPU). My advice? Eliminate the RAM indicator by default. Users want it, probably are advanced enough to know how to enable that – and all that info is already on Conky, right?”Those IceWM indicators are customizable. I suggest that we leave them alone; those who know how to add or remove them can modify the IceWM configuration files.
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Brian MasinickFebruary 5, 2023 at 6:55 pm #98937Forum Admin
anticapitalista
::@sasa_ – that’s bad news.
Seems like the newer mesa stack in testing/bookworm will make some old hardware obsolete as we feared.Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
February 5, 2023 at 9:37 pm #98943Memberstevesr0
::re: Pipewire in 23.
In order to get Pipewire to run, I need to boot to runlevel 3 (command prompt). I have looked at bitjam’s post (thanks Xunz_23) and searched online without finding anything that works.
From the grub menu, I can’t get to a line by line that includes an obvious (to me) place to type “3” or “runlevel 3” or “telinit 3”.
Just running those from a grub prompt doesn’t change anything.
From the running live system in graphic mode (runlevel 5), sudo telinit 3 is unrecognized.
**PROBABLY because this is runit NOT sysvinit??
So I looked up runit and runlevels. I discover that you need to generate a new directory for runlevel 3. I tried running the command to change from the default (running Xorg) level to the single level, but that didn’t switch me to a command prompt.
If this alpha simply doesn’t allow a boot to command prompt, then I will create the script and modify the /dome/demo/.profile in the running graphic system and then remaster.
It would be easier if I could just learn how to get this to boot to runlevel 3/command prompt…
Further help appreciated.
stevesr0
P.S. thanks anticapitalista. I just deleted the libelogind0 package as elogind itself wasn’t installed. But I didn’t think to purge.
Since libseat1 isn’t installed by default, I assume it may not be required for seatd to work?
P.P.S. to olsztyn – libpipewire is installed in the alpha, but not other pipewire packages. They are in the antix-testing repository.stevesr0
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February 5, 2023 at 10:17 pm #98947Moderator
christophe
::Just a tiny thing: volumeicon forgets setting after reboot.
Whether simply muted, or adjusted up or down, after reboot it goes back to 80%.
(I installed to hdd, so it should remember.)confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
February 5, 2023 at 10:24 pm #98948Memberolsztyn
::And it appears to me not only Xorg is using more memory, but many other pieces of infrastructure, including IceWM. All just a little bit more, such as 1 or 2 Mb more per component, but it adds up.
I think I was able to identify another culprit for increased memory footprint of antiX 23…
Namely very recently (a few days ago) there was an upgrade in SID of ntp from 4.2.8p15+dfsg-1.0antix1 to 4.2.8p15+dfsg-2~1.2.2+dfsg1-1.0nosystemd1. This update also entailed installation of:
-ntpsec
-ntpsec-ntpdate
-ntpsec-ntpdig
-python3-ntp
Also entaled the update of ntpdateFollowing this upgrade of ntp (and installation of the above components such upgrade entailed) the memory footprint of antiX in SID was increased by about 12Mb.
This upgrade of ntp expectedly found it’s way into antiX 23, which currently reflects the new version of ntp, causing memory footprint of antiX 23 to be increased by corresponding about 12M.So my question is: Was this expected and do we need such change from one version of antiX-mofified component to another version of antiX-modified component, causing a significantly larger memory consumption?
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersFebruary 5, 2023 at 10:39 pm #98950MemberPPC
::volumeicon forgets setting after reboot.
I thought volume was set on a config file somewhere to a fixed value, at boot, 65% I think- this has been this way ever since I started using antiX.
If am right, we can solve this easily – record the volume to file on ~/.config and have a tiny script running at startup that reads from that config file and sets the volume to the same level it was before last shutdown…P.
February 5, 2023 at 11:07 pm #98952MemberPPC
::Since app-select is an excellent app, but takes, on old devices, quite some time to load, maybe Package Installer can feature alternativez, like a Rofi packaged with a .desktop file that starts a nice GUI to perform app searches, xfce’s app launcher, etc…
When I first started working on FT10, the first versions used rofi scrips to perform app searches and file searches (by name)P.
February 6, 2023 at 1:41 am #98954Membermcpderez
::I really like the new wallpaper.
Connman Glitches
When on the dialog to enter my wifi passphrase, the dialog is too narrow to show all of the content. In particular, the Cancel button at the bottom is only half there (captured on . A piece of label near WISPr mid-dialog is also truncated. The user should not need to scroll horizontally to use a dialog this size. The same thing happens on another laptop with 1366×768 (Thinkpad X230). The dialog in question is only 400px wide, so it should fit easily, at least in the horizontal direction.
I also have trouble with the Connman System Tray not wanting to Minimize; nothing seems to happen after clicking the Minimize button on the bottom right. If I instead choose Exit, it will exit but I am still working on a sequence of events to reliably reproduce this one.
Here are some specs from these two machines and a screenshot of the Connman dialog that is too narrow.
Lenovo ThinkPad T61
demo@antix1:~ $ inxi -Fxz System: Kernel: 4.19.0-256-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 Distro: antiX-23-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 3 February 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid Machine: Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 64576PU v: ThinkPad T61 serial: <superuser required> Mobo: LENOVO model: 64576PU serial: <superuser required> BIOS: LENOVO v: 7LET51WW (1.21 ) date: 08/22/2007 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 64.9 Wh (91.7%) condition: 70.8/84.2 Wh (84.0%) volts: 12.5 min: 10.8 model: Panasonic 92P1133 status: charging CPU: Info: dual core model: Intel Core2 Duo T7500 bits: 64 type: MCP arch: Core2 Merom rev: B cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 4 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 1696 high: 1840 min/max: 800/2201 boost: enabled cores: 1: 1552 2: 1840 bogomips: 8777 Flags: ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA G86M [Quadro NVS 140M] vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T61 driver: nouveau v: kernel arch: Tesla bus-ID: 01:00.0 temp: 52.0 C Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.6 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau resolution: 1680x1050~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 3.3 Mesa 22.3.3 renderer: NV86 direct render: Yes Audio: Device-1: Intel 82801H HD Audio vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T61/R61 driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 Sound API: ALSA v: k4.19.0-256-antix.1-amd64-smp running: yes Network: Device-1: Intel 82566MM Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T61/R61 driver: e1000e v: 3.2.6-k port: 1840 bus-ID: 00:19.0 IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> Device-2: Intel PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN [Kedron] Network driver: iwl4965 v: in-tree: bus-ID: 03:00.0 IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> Drives: Local Storage: total: 14.55 GiB used: 8.6 MiB (0.1%) ID-1: /dev/sda type: USB model: General USB Flash Disk size: 14.55 GiB Partition: Message: No partition data found. Swap: Alert: No swap data was found. Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 51.0 C mobo: 44.0 C gpu: nouveau temp: 52.0 C Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 2536 Info: Processes: 154 Uptime: 56m Memory: 1.91 GiB used: 1.06 GiB (55.2%) Init: runit runlevel: 2 Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 Packages: 1625 Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15 inxi: 3.3.24Lenovo Thinkpad X230
$ inxi -Fxz System: Kernel: 5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 Distro: antiX-23-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 3 February 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid Machine: Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 2306CTO v: ThinkPad X230 serial: <superuser required> Mobo: LENOVO model: 2306CTO serial: <superuser required> UEFI-[Legacy]: LENOVO v: G2ETA2WW (2.62 ) date: 09/12/2014 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 40.1 Wh (62.1%) condition: 64.6/85.9 Wh (75.3%) volts: 11.3 min: 10.8 model: SANYO 45N1175 status: discharging CPU: Info: dual core model: Intel Core i5-3210M bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Ivy Bridge rev: 9 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 2636 high: 2814 min/max: 1200/3100 cores: 1: 2814 2: 2533 3: 2465 4: 2735 bogomips: 19952 Flags: avx ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 Graphics: Device-1: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics vendor: Lenovo driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen-7 bus-ID: 00:02.0 Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.6 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: crocus gpu: i915 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.2 Mesa 22.3.3 renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4000 (IVB GT2) direct render: Yes Audio: Device-1: Intel 7 Series/C216 Family High Definition Audio vendor: Lenovo 7 driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 Sound API: ALSA v: k5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp running: yes Network: Device-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo driver: e1000e v: kernel port: 5080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> Device-2: Intel Centrino Wireless-N 2200 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel bus-ID: 03:00.0 IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> Drives: Local Storage: total: 447.13 GiB used: 4.91 GiB (1.1%) ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST480HM000-1G5162 size: 447.13 GiB Partition: ID-1: / size: 431.16 GiB used: 4.91 GiB (1.1%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda1 Swap: ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 8 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) dev: /dev/sda2 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 47.0 C mobo: 0.0 C Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 2979 Info: Processes: 144 Uptime: 24m Memory: 11.4 GiB used: 478.3 MiB (4.1%) Init: runit runlevel: 2 Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 Packages: 1625 Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15 inxi: 3.3.24- This reply was modified 3 months ago by mcpderez.
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February 6, 2023 at 3:29 am #98959Moderator
caprea
::A really well done look together with the wallpaper.In time running it from live usb with persist-all.antiX23 runs fast and stable (as always).
Especially nice is that it is finally possible to use bluetooth for audio playback without installing the cumbersome pulseaudio.Installing pipewire made this possible now in bookworm.
I first tried this with bluez-alsa-utils, which is installed by default, but /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.bluealsa.service does not exist.
bluez-alsa-utils contains only systemd service file.
After a lot of experimenting with creating runit service files, i decided to try pipewire which can be started from autostart and does not need an init.
And pipewire until now works perfect.Just listening to my bluetooth speaker sound from firefox.
I’m going install to harddrive now for further exploration. Many thanks for this beautiful and reliable OS.@Christophe, isn’t the start_sound_level tightly configured in desktop-session-conf ?
@Sasa, For those who have the green screen until now they all had nvidia cards, did you try to boot with boot parameters like
xorg=nouveau nouveau.modeset=1$ inxi -Fxz System: Kernel: 5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 Distro: antiX-23-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 3 February 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid Machine: Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20AWS3RH00 v: ThinkPad T440p serial: <superuser required> Mobo: LENOVO model: 20AWS3RH00 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: LENOVO v: GLETA0WW (2.54 ) date: 08/27/2019 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 36.0 Wh (100.0%) condition: 36.0/56.2 Wh (64.1%) volts: 12.3 min: 10.8 model: SANYO 45N1769 status: full CPU: Info: dual core model: Intel Core i5-4300M bits: 64 type: MT MCP arch: Haswell rev: 3 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB Speed (MHz): avg: 2858 high: 3059 min/max: 800/3300 cores: 1: 2574 2: 3058 3: 3059 4: 2743 bogomips: 20752 Flags: avx avx2 ht lm nx pae sse sse2 sse3 sse4_1 sse4_2 ssse3 vmx Graphics: Device-1: Intel 4th Gen Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T440p driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen5.75 bus-ID: 00:02.0 Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.6 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa gpu: i915 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 4600 (HSW GT2) v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.3 direct render: Yes Audio: Device-1: Intel Xeon E3-1200 v3/4th Gen Core Processor HD Audio vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T440p driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:03.0 Device-2: Intel 8 Series/C220 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T440p driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp running: yes Sound Server-2: PipeWire v: 0.3.65 running: yes Network: Device-1: Intel Ethernet I217-LM vendor: Lenovo ThinkPad T440p driver: e1000e v: kernel port: 3080 bus-ID: 00:19.0 IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> Device-2: Intel Wireless 7260 driver: iwlwifi v: kernel bus-ID: 03:00.0 IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> Bluetooth: Device-1: Intel Bluetooth wireless interface type: USB driver: btusb v: 0.8 bus-ID: 3-11:3 Report: hciconfig ID: hci0 rfk-id: 1 state: up address: <filter> bt-v: 2.1 lmp-v: 4.0 Drives: Local Storage: total: 111.79 GiB used: 4.58 GiB (4.1%) ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Samsung model: SSD 750 EVO 120GB size: 111.79 GiB Partition: ID-1: / size: 9.82 GiB used: 4.58 GiB (46.6%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7 ID-2: /boot/efi size: 98.4 MiB used: 1.1 MiB (1.1%) fs: vfat dev: /dev/sda1 Swap: ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 5.66 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) dev: /dev/sda5 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 45.0 C mobo: 0.0 C Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 0 Info: Processes: 171 Uptime: 4m Memory: 11.58 GiB used: 576.4 MiB (4.9%) Init: runit runlevel: 2 Compilers: gcc: 12.2.0 Packages: 1640 Shell: Bash v: 5.2.15 inxi: 3.3.19- This reply was modified 3 months ago by caprea.
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February 6, 2023 at 5:02 am #98963Forum Admin
Dave
::Also, there’s a tiny useful tool “add-desktop” that is rendered almost useless – it allows to do stuff some users want, when they install binaries in not .deb package – create a menu entry for it!
This script allows to create a .desktop file in a GUI way and also offers to place it in the manual- the .desktop is created, but placed in ~/.local/share/applications/custom/
First of all, I think it would be logical for desktop-menu –write-out-global to check that folder for .desktop files too, right? Secondly- it that’s too hard to implement – simply make it’s desktop file launch “add-desktop” in sudo mode and allow it to create the .desktop to be placed in the menu in the /usr/share/applications folder… Or better yet, link .desktop files from ~/.local/share/applications/custom/ to that folder, so users can delete them without the need for elevated privileges.
I tested, and this tool does not add anything to the desktop – when that option is selected- I’ll try to take a look at it’s code, but it seems like a good idea that was not completely finished – yes, it creates .desktop files, but does not do with them what it should (make they appear in the Applications menu or int the Desktop icons).I can envision a tool that, like my FT10 to manage toolbar icons, uses our excellent app-select too to select applications and allows users to: add those icons to the toolbar, to the desktop (if desktop icons are available in the current desktop) or… as quick-launchers on the first layer of the menu. This literally allows users to place any icon anywhere they like, without having to edit a single config file (it’s a step beyond the current Toolbar Icon Manager for IceWM and can potentially be used in all 3 window managers (well, the toolbar part would not work in fluxbox)
@ PPC
I have updated add-desktop a while back for some of these concerns.
for the */custom; as noted desktop-menu does not look there so I had removed the /custom addition: https://gitlab.com/antiX-Dave/add-desktop-antix/-/commit/d3441369012586102300c75bd2ee3ed528dd2aaf
This also only applies if you remove the symlink (~/.WM/menu-applications) and update the menu. Which is why there is an update menu button which does not use sudo; but maybe this should be a control centre option that would let you choose: 1) keep the symlink (automatic menu update with apt hook). 2) remove the symlink and regenerate the menu (manual update). After option two the user would need to remember to regenerate the menu after installing an app or updating. This could also be added to the session startup if /usr/share/applications had an update (see: /usr/local/lib/desktop-menu/desktop-menu-apt-update for the logic to do this) and be called option 3) remove the symlink and regenerate the menu (automatic on startup)
for the app-select plugin: https://gitlab.com/antiX-Dave/add-desktop-antix/-/commit/413de85e3fba872ad36b45003f18622314e58b0c
for adding the plugin (symlink) to app-select;
under /usr/lib/app-select/plugins/ make a symlink to /usr/local/bin/add-desktop: https://gitlab.com/antiX-Dave/app-select-antix/-/tree/master/plugins
edit /usr/share/app-select/app-select.conf (~/.config/app-select.conf): https://gitlab.com/antiX-Dave/app-select-antix/-/blob/master/app-select.conf
Note: The newest version of app-select in the repo should have the plugin in place already but add-desktop may need to be updated.Also the add-desktop “Add to desktop” option simply places the .desktop file in ~/Desktop. So the option should work under zzzfm but not rox. I did make a script to add the desktop item to the Rox desktop but it was too clunky for my liking and I did not finish it.
BobC also did some work on this idea and was making apps work as plugins for app-select. One of these was a modified version of the script I had started that would add icons to the Rox Desktop.
https://gitlab.com/antiX-Dave/app-select-plugins-antix/-/tree/master/As to quick links in the root menu, this was the idea behind the “Personal” submenu. This is also in add-desktop and can be done through an app-select plugin.
Along the lines of the root menu, I had also started to make a new python version of the desktop-defaults-set script and was looking at making an app-select plugin subroutine in the new script so that you could right click on a program in app-select and set it as a default. :https://gitlab.com/antiX-Dave/desktop-defaults-antix/-/blob/master/bin/desktop-defaults-set.py
Also to note there are some features in app-select that may not be known (except to a select few) such as the plugins. Have a look at app-select –help; there is a desktop mode option which keeps it loaded (-d), another to select and return information on an app (-s), and another to get information from a particular .desktop file (-i file.desktop).
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February 6, 2023 at 5:15 am #98964Forum Admin
Dave
::I noticed that we are missing one nice little GUI tool: add-start
I went to it’s github and tried to install it, but I ran into an error – I can try to replicate this funcionality with a yad script – to allow users to easily add/remove stuff from antiX’s startup in GUI mode – this is an advanced feature, but some users may require it and not feel confortable with editing a config file- it’s not an essential tool, but it’s something that used to ship with antiX, so, I think it could be something worth re-adding… (Or maybe Dave can adadpt that script?)P.
The original version used yad. I had changed it to python.
I am not sure which version you have found, but I believe the most recent is in my gitlab: https://gitlab.com/antiX-Dave/add-start-antixThe most glaring issue at the moment (though I have not looked in a while) is that it does not consider ~/.desktop-session/startup; only considering the per window manager startup files. However I do have some additional edits in my local git that seem to have a head start on this. It does not appear to be complete but simply adds a switch button below the “Changing startup for: WM” message to switch between session startup and window manager startup.
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