antiX-23 – based on Debian 12 Bookworm – ideas

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blur13 wrote:

there is a logical fallacy in the leap from “this is something I want” to “this is something EVERYONE wants”.

I agree – for example, I created and use daily Ft10 Transformation Pack, but I do not advise that it should come pre-installed – but, like you said, I think it should come in Package Installer – so anyone can install it with a couple or so clicks…
Most of the items on my wish list are – UX changes, I do not recomend installing more stuff than antiX originally comes with, with some exceptions: antix always came with gdebi, a nice GUI to install off-line .deb packages, untill it became erratic an basicly impossible to work with – so I advise using a tiny 7kb script that does about the same task, yet educationg the user on what the terminal does, just like antiX-updater. I call this kind of scrips “semi-GUI”- the user sees the terminal, knows what is going on, but is not forced to interact with it, to perform basic tasks.
I only suggested the script to mount shared folders because it previously came up with anticapitalista and I had a request to make it available as a .deb package – that can be simply added to the repo or, better yet, since it’s an antiX only GUI tool – to Package Installer too…

I use many tools, like foliate, Min browser and LibreOffice.org appimage that I like but do not recomend to come with antiX by default, but I do think they should be easily available via P.I…

Probably using zzzfm as default file manager will be the change that gets more users to antiX, and it’s something that can be done with literally, two clicks! The problem is that the people that need a more “usual” file manager, that come from other OSes do not yet know they should do that, they get a look at rox and think- nope, not for me!

What brought to me to antiX was not the fact that I had to learn how to use (and build many GUI’s, some where added to antiX, others faded away), but the fact that it made all my computers fully usable, even the 32bits ones!

Edit: I forgot about this: to me, the most essential changes that I suggest are just 3 and do not require any new application or even coding, just editing the default config files. If anti asked me – “Pick 3 things to change in antiX”:
1- zzzfm as default File Manager
2- move app-select to the top of the menu (so anyone can find and easily launch any app)
3- place ToolbarIconManager on IceWm’s toolbar, and perhaps a couple more apps, like updater and the “Exit session” icon – with TIM there even the most newbie linux users can place their favourite apps in the toolbar

If I could add one more thing, was debinstaller.- antiX’s usability would increase greatly for (current but mainly) prospective users, that simply do not know how to keep their old devices out of the trash can

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just checked ps_mem on my antix 19 install.

rox-filer 15 MiB
spacefm 45 MiB

If you’re truly aiming for the smallest memory footprint then rox-filer wins. One user might go “this is a strange file manager, I’m out”. Another, more inquisitive, might go “I’m using a graphical file manager on my ancient computer and it flies, lets find out how it works”. If the aim is to revive old computers then it makes sense to have the initial memory use be at the absolute minimal, it might be the difference between a working system and a non-working one.

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olsztyn wrote:

Thank you Brian…

You’re welcome; hope it’s helpful.

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blur13 wrote:

When you ask for suggestions, you will get responses from those that want changes. You wont hear from those that think antiX is close to perfection and no changes are needed. So its easy to get the impression that a lot of changes are wanted, simply due to the inherent bias in response incentive. When I first installed antiX I really liked the “lean and mean” minimalist approach, it got me hooked. I installed it on all my computers, even the modern ones. If it had been a feature complete, hold my hands, “I assume you cant find out for yourself”, copy of windows/MacOS, I would have moved on. There is a package installer. All the extras could be put there and installed by those that want it.

I appreciate all the work people put into custom scripts, suggestions for programs, etc but there is a logical fallacy in the leap from “this is something I want” to “this is something EVERYONE wants”. Who knows, I might be committing that same fallacy right now.

I agree with this; “I really liked the “lean and mean” minimalist approach” – I always have and I always will too.

A couple of ways to accomplish change while maintaining the primary approach:

1) Keep the Net, Core, and Base versions very similar to previous editions, updated only with the most recent kernels and applications; same defaults as before.
2) In the full edition, my personal bias is to also keep this similar to the previous editions; a few minor tweaks, such as the minor menu edits suggested by PPC and the inclusion of additional apps & tools in the Package Installer may allow individuals who want more apps to easily obtain them, yet keep even the full implementation modest in image size and lean footprint.

These are just some ideas. My preferences are to remain true to the goals we know and appreciate.

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I wasn’t going to reply (at least for now), but I have to say that blur13 & Brian’s comment above really reflects my opinion as well.
Whatever you choose to change or keep, anti, I’m all-in.
And I love antiX as-is.
Frankly, I’ll change it around no matter what, I suspect, for my own person systems.
Regarding file managers, I like both rox & zzzfm. I normally but both on my rox panel or taskbar.

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As far as file managers go, first of all, I use them from time to time, but I have many of my own command alias lines (one or two characters) and these help the use of the command line interface (CLI) for me to be sufficient for many things. When I DO use a file manager, some days I stick with whatever is there, other days I experiment with alternatives, simply because I can, and also because I want to be familiar with what is provided. As far as preferences, I’m all in on keeping the overall approach lean and simple and as long as we continue to do this, I’m supportive of the project and whatever is produced.

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The people running the older, slower 32 bit rigs need performance the most. We should do what we can to keep those systems usable.

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BobC wrote:

The people running the older, slower 32 bit rigs need performance the most. We should do what t=we can to keep those systems usable.

I agree with this too; the vast majority of us are completely in sync with keeping things lean, efficient, and supportive of older systems.

As for me, I have both old and new systems, so things like the Version 6 series kernels are appreciated. However, if this impedes or interferes in any way with the ability to retain code that works with old systems, I’m quite content to take a back seat and make sure that those with old systems, particularly the 32-bit systems, are considered as long as we possibly can continue to support them.

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Brian Masinick wrote:

As for me, I have both old and new systems, so things like the Version 6 series kernels are appreciated. However, if this impedes or interferes in any way with the ability to retain code that works with old systems, I’m quite content to take a back seat and make sure that those with old systems, particularly the 32-bit systems, are considered as long as we possibly can continue to support them.

I completely concur with this. I think though that the plan outlined by anticapitalista will not abandon old systems. The plan is to continue two kernel strategy. The modern kernel might be 6.1 but the legacy kernel will continue alongside for old machines. The difference of the version of the legacy kernel – 4.19 vs. current 4.9 should not make a difference for vast majority of old machines.

Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

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I think that one can express one’s thoughts as long as one does not hurt or disrespect anyone.
If you think that my contributions are unwelcome, you can delete them: I will not be angry or offended. 🙂
Amizades.

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Je pense qu’on peut exprimer sa pensée à condition de ne blesser ni manquer de respect à qui que ce soit.
Si vous pensez que mes contributions sont malvenues, vous pouvez les effacer : je ne serai pas fâché, ni vexé.
Amitiés.

Dear Rantanplan.

Please don’t ever think this kind of thing of me, at no time did I intend to hurt or disrespect you or any other human being here on the forum. As you yourself wrote, EVERYONE deserves to be respected. I ask that you never forget that machine translations can often change the original meaning of the text I wrote and can cause discomfort or misunderstanding. I don’t know how to write in English or any other language other than Brazilian Portuguese. My goal was for you to get to know the vision of the anticapitalista that you kindly described in that thread about the future of antiX. At that time you hadn’t gotten here yet, so I just wanted you to be aware of what I also believe is maintained in antiX 23 and all future editions.
I ask that you accept my humble apologies if the machine translation has caused any misunderstandings.

If you think that my contributions are unwelcome, you can delete them: I will not be angry or offended.

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Si vous pensez que mes contributions sont malvenues, vous pouvez les effacer : je ne serai pas fâché, ni vexé.

Your contributions are ALWAYS very welcome, I will always be very grateful that you translate almost all of
archive.org for your language.

And as you always write “Amitiés.”

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I think that one can express one’s thoughts as long as one does not hurt or disrespect anyone.
If you think that my contributions are unwelcome, you can delete them: I will not be angry or offended. 🙂
Amizades.

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Je pense qu’on peut exprimer sa pensée à condition de ne blesser ni manquer de respect à qui que ce soit.
Si vous pensez que mes contributions sont malvenues, vous pouvez les effacer : je ne serai pas fâché, ni vexé.
Amitiés.

Caro Rantanplan.

Por favor, nunca pense este tipo de coisa de mim, em nenhum momento eu pretendi machucar ou desrespeitar você ou qualquer outro ser humano aqui no fórum. Como você mesmo escreveu, TODOS merecem ser repeitados. Eu peço que você nunca se esqueça que várias vezes as traduções automáticas podem mudar o sentido original do texto que eu escrevei e podem causar mal estar ou mal entendido. Eu não sei escrever em idioma Inglês ou em qualquer outro idioma que não seja o Português do Brasil. O meu objetivo era que você passasse a conhecer a visão do anticapitalista que gentilmente descreveu naquele tópico sobre o futuro do antiX. Naquela época você ainda não tinha chegado aqui, então eu só queria que você tomasse ciência do que eu também acredito que seja mantido no antiX 23 e em todas as próximas edições.
Eu peço que você aceite as minhas humildes desculpas caso a tradução automática tenha causado qualquer mal entendido.

If you think that my contributions are unwelcome, you can delete them: I will not be angry or offended.

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Si vous pensez que mes contributions sont malvenues, vous pouvez les effacer : je ne serai pas fâché, ni vexé.

As suas contribuições SÃO SEMPRE muito bem-vindas, eu sempre serei muito grato por você traduzir quase todo o
archive.org para o seu idioma.

E como você sempre escreve “Amitiés.”

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I’m sorry to tell you all that I read a post from a friend of skidoo’s and that he passed away. I (and others I’m sure) owe him a lot for all the time and effort he put into teaching people here how to figure things out, and as well for the programs and applications like slimski and zzzfm that we all benefit from.

BobC, thank you so much for bringing us this sad news.
All that’s left for us to do is pray for his soul and wish him well where he is.
I wish I could have enough knowledge to continue his legacy and honor him by keeping alive what he created.

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I’m sorry to tell you all that I read a post from a friend of skidoo’s and that he passed away. I (and others I’m sure) owe him a lot for all the time and effort he put into teaching people here how to figure things out, and as well for the programs and applications like slimski and zzzfm that we all benefit from.

BobC, muito obrigado por nos trazer esta triste notícia.
O que nos resta é orar por sua alma e desejar que ele esteja bem onde estiver.
Eu queria poder ter conhecimentos suficientes para continuar o seu legado e homenageá-lo mantendo vivo aquilo que ele criou.

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But in the case of “goodies” packages, they are meant to group several usefull/important scripts together- in a tiny (or not so tiny) package.

PPC, thank you very much for your explanations. So the anti-capitalist must have his own reasons for preferring to proceed in this way than with several programs in one package, rather than one package for each program.

About the FT10, so could it be broken down into small packages? Our! This idea seems to be very good.

EDIT: I just read about Skidoo 🙁
I suspected as much, but hoped for the best.

For this kind of situation, the worst thing is not having the right information and just suspecting the worst.

Thank you very much.

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But in the case of “goodies” packages, they are meant to group several usefull/important scripts together- in a tiny (or not so tiny) package.

PPC, muito obrigado por suas explicações. Então o anticapitalista deve ter os seus próprios motivos para preferir proceder desta forma do que com vários programas em um pacote, ao invés de um pacote para cada programa.

Sobre o FT10, então ele poderia ser desmembrado em pequenos pacotes? Nossa! Esta ideia parece ser muito boa.

EDIT: I just read about Skidoo 🙁
I suspected as much, but hoped for the best.

Para este tipo de situação, a pior coisa é não ter a informação correta e apenas suspeitar sobre o pior.

Muito obrigado.

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but there is a logical fallacy in the leap from “this is something I want” to “this is something EVERYONE wants”.

The translations of all antiX programs is not a “fallacy”, it is a work that I started in August 2020 and is ongoing, it seems to be something interminable… Several Brazilians took the courage to post to the at least once here on the forum and “risked” trusting automatic translation services to say that they cannot write or read in English and that they need translations. Just as I need the translations, many other human beings from all over the planet Earth need the translations to be able to use antiX and this need is not directed only to Brazilians. I continue to “risk” relying on machine translation services to communicate here and eventually I am misunderstood for not knowing how to communicate in English.
About ROX-IceWM, we know how to use it or how to make modifications and customizations, but newbies don’t. The fact is that if someone who has never seen antiX and comes to make a negative judgment of the entire operating system just because they don’t know how to use ROX-Filler, the person who loses the most is antiX and its community that doesn’t grow. The history of other GNU/Linux distributions demonstrates this, if the community that doesn’t grow, inevitably the distribution and/or community will die. Because we are not eternal beings, inevitably one day we get sick and die.
I don’t think this is a “fallacy”.

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but there is a logical fallacy in the leap from “this is something I want” to “this is something EVERYONE wants”.

As traduções de todos os programas do antiX não é uma “falácia”, trata-se de um trabalho que eu comecei em agosto de 2020 e está em curso, isso até parece ser algo interminável… Vários Brasileiros tomaram a coragem de postar ao menos uma única vez aqui no fórum e se “arriscaram” em confiar nos serviços de tradução automática para dizerem que não sabem escrever ou ler em idioma Inglês e que precisam das traduções. Assim como eu preciso das traduções, vários outros serem humanos de todas as partes do planeta Terra precisam das traduções para poderem utilizar o antiX e esta necessidade não está direcionada apenas aos Brasileiros. Eu continuo me “arriscando” confiando nos serviços de tradução automática para me comunicar aqui e eventualmente eu sou mal compreendido por não saber me comunicar em idioma Inglês.
Sobre o ROX-IceWM, nós sabemos como usá-lo ou como fazer as modificações e as personalizações, mas os novatos não. O fato é que se alguém que nunca viu o antiX e vier a fazer um julgamento negativo do sistema operacional inteiro só porque não sabe utilizar o ROX-Filler, quem mais perde com isso é o antiX e a sua comunidade que não cresce. A história de outras distribuições GNU/Linux demonstram isso, se a comunidade que não crescer, inevitavelmente a distribuição e/ou comunidade morrerá. Porque nós não somos seres eternos, inevitavelmente um dia adoecemos e morremos.
Eu não acho que isso seja uma “falácia”.

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You can please some of the people some of the time, you can not please all of the people all of the time.
And Innovate or die do not rule each other out.

Suggestions I made are not for me, I can change antiX in to pretty much anything I feel like with ease.

Since introducing users to linux and in particular antiX I have gained some insights in to making the transition
from windoze, android phone or tablet more comfortable.

I at no point suggested changing the basic systems, full version is the adress.

Experts and those becoming more expert can easily slim down and change a system, the problem is getting a new antiX
user to try and further setup the system to his liking. When they do look for patterns.

The one I see the most is use the toolbar as a dock starter container or whatever we like to call it. No user kept the
default antiX 21 or 22 background, I still setup with Metro.

AntiX does not have to look and feel daunting, many have helped to make the setup more user friendly but incremental
improvement is in my humble opinion the key to getting more younger users in to antiX userbase.

Kids and students are the future users and caretakers of antiX not persons near, at or over average life expectancy.
That includes me.

I learn more from those I support than they do from me..

• This reply was modified 5 months, 2 weeks ago by ModdIt.

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This is a small (hum… rather large) rant about antiX’s future, more than a post whith concrete proposals (although there are some), touching on themes that were raised in previous posts:

-My opinion about antiX:
It sucks!
Just kidding. Anticapitalista has my undying gratitude for keeping my computers running fast and usable for half a dozen years now. I can’t thank him enough. So I usually do so with suggestions that I think can help improve his masterpiece!
antiX is great. Probably no one here desagrees with that. Is it flawless? Nothing is ever flawless, there’s always room for improvements!
– the creator and main developer os antiX said what will change, and what changes are being pondered, and asked for input – no matter how small or how large posts (such as I usually write), if they are not desrespecfull and include valid ideas, it’s exactly what anticapitalista asked for. When users offer new ideas, by no means they are trashing antiX, they are only trying to improve it (according to their own needs or what they percieve as being the needs of the majority).

-The needs of the many, the needs of antiX?
Just like Moddit, none of my suggestions were made to please my owm tastes… I said over and over here in the forum- I use plain IceWM, without desktop icons, without conky, with a costumized tint2 toolbar and (usually) a costumized jgmenu (with inbuit search, without Categories, Windows 10 style, with pinned apps on the top of the menu) and a costumized zzzfm- so I couldn’t care less about antiX default settings, for myself- but I do care about antiX future- making it so that it has a larger user base- that includes, most probably more donations, to keep things floating- servers are not free. Hell, even Linus himself gets paid, and he started it as a student project! and the more people helping out in the forum/wiki/social networks, the better.
More users = more contributions = more future for antiX

– Helping “regular” users using antiX, and have a safe system
A way to get more users is, in my point of view, have a system that is not only light and fast, but also usable for people without a computer degree- like most people that use computers. Over 90% of computer users can only perform basic tasks. That’s for that overwelling majority that I strive to have a more usable system, that I post so many how-to’s, that I usually explain stuff in a detailed way, so any non techie person can follow instructions- because most people are that way- specially people with old computers! I don’t think that a professional coder that is used to program his own software, really needs to use antiX to keep his computer useful for some more years- the little I know I picked up by myself, because I wanted to create GUI’s that I thought antiX needed to be usefull for the average user- and I still keep to push for that – users should know how to update a system from the terminal, but not be forced to learn to use the terminal to be able to update the system- I think it was skiddo that messed with me, when I proposed antiX-updater, saying that there was already a GUI to update the system- Synaptic. Yes. Synaptic can do it, without you ever seeing the terminal- but, why bother pressing several buttons, when you can do it with a single click?

– Having an up to date system
Most computer users (and that includes mobile device users, that almost 100% of us) are used to automatic updates. I think that, for a while antiX even came with mx’s auto updater installed (not sure on that, I have a lousy memory)- why does is not come with a tool that automaticly checks for updates? Because it uses resources- always there, connecting to the net, now and then, to check for updates… I used antiX for a very long time until I noticed that it did not update it self automaticaly – that is why I suggest that antiX-updates should comoe, by default in IceWM and JWM’s toolbar – not only for the ease of use, but also to nudge new users (like I was, some 6 years ago) that it there’s a “check for updates” button, I probably should click it, now and then.
There is another possibility- that I use in FT10- I use tint2’s hability to run scripts to run, once a day, a check to see when was “apt update” run for the last time. If it was over a week, a yad window tells the user how long it’s been since he/she last checked for updates – yes, it’s still a tiny script, that runs in the background (summonend now and then, by the toolbar) but it’s tiny, does not connect to the internet, does not perform any task other than remind the user, once a day, that if no updates were done for over a week, antiX-updater should be run, and presents 2 choices: do nothing or run antiX-updater.
Do I suggest that for antiX by default? Nope. Because it uses, needelessly, system resources- users should be responsable and check for updates, but we are humans, we use our computers for work, for play, for learning- most users wants to use computers, not serve as a slave that has to perform computer management tasks like updates.
What I can suggest here is adding a similar script to the start of the session – check how long has been since the last update, if it’s been over X days, then suggest that the user should run antix-updater – there you go – it helps 90% of users use the computer in a safe way. But 10% of user will complain that they do not need to be remined to update, they will do so when they want to.- it’s not a nag- it comes up once a day and can be turned off, still “You can’t please everyone, all the time. “
A concrete suggestion – have my proposed “remind to update” script running at session start, on installed systems (not on live ones), with a checkbox to disable it. An entry on Control Centre, something like “Automatic Update Reminder” can also be created and run a small script that enables/disables that script.

-A more standard File Manager vs the lightest File Manager possible?
This question is tough for me, because, even if I know how to manage files from the terminal, create bash scripts, etc, I never really got the hang of Rox-filer. Strange I know. I learned, from scratch how to build scripts with GUI’s, how to assemble and configure, using assorted pieces of software, what looks like a Desktop Enviroment, and still I never learned to use a simple and powerfull File Manager – I did learn to use Rox, eventually. I even did a how-to configure it! But I simply dislike it. Too many years using windows file explorers, Mint file managers, etc. In that regard, I’m too set in my ways- some people adapt instantly to new ways to manage files. I, like what seems to be the majority of people, cannot.
Rox is, in some ways more powerful than zzzfm? Yes- it even has video thumbnails, somehting that is not active, by default, on zzzfm’s compilation to save resources! Rox is lighter than zzzfm? Yes.
Rox is more uninuitive to use- Yep, for some 95% of people. For 5% is the best thing since sliced bread.
That’s why it’s such a master move, to have both available, out of the box in antiX.
My suggestions include having more default bookmarks in zzzfm- that costs 0 system resources and makes it slightly faster to use.
Anticapitalista – a tiling window manager himself, decided what would be more useful for most people and decided to compromise- a Windows 98 like default setting, with some toolbar quick launchers, a GUI calendar (yes, kids, antiX 16 did not have a GUI calendar, I’m that old), a GUI file manager (rox) and… desktop icons.
Desktop icons are, to me, and I belive, to anticapitalista, and some more advanced users, a waste of system resources- it’s basicly having a transparent File Manager overlay on top of the wallpaper (or solid color background) displaying the contents of a particular folder. Why does the default antiX setup waste resources on desktop icons? Because over 90% of computer users do, in fact, use them- we can tell them it’s a wast of resources, even of time, if there are dozens of icons that they have to search through- but it’s the way they are used to use computers.
And desktop icons are the main source of the problem about the default File Manager – since rox is already running, displaying desktop icons, there’s almost no extra resources usage if you open a rox-filer window. But there’s a very noticible memory usage if you are using a rox managed desktop AND launch zzzfm.
Since zzzfm uses a bit more RAM than rox, a zzz manage desktop uses a bit more RAM than a rox managed one. Simply having desktop icons uses that RAM, forcing an instance of the File Manager to be always running, even if you use apps in full screen mode 99,9% of the time.
The “best” use for system resources would be a “icewm” desktop, without desktop icons- but some users would just say “this crap does not even have desktop icons? I’m out”. Compromise, to please most people
Once you have a system without desktop icons, having rox, zzz, or basicly any other File Manager is about as meaningless on system resources has it gets – it can even use 100mb of RAM- you use it, then you close it, when you’r done. Just like Gimp- it’s a tool, I only have it open because I’m using it, I’m not using it, I simply close it. Why do I say that rox/zzz memory footprint is meaningless without desktop icons? Because is 10,20 or 30mb of RAM matter so much to you, when you manage your files then probably: your computer is 128mb and it’s on the brink of being a brick or you are multitasking when you should not.
I have crap computers- my laptop is 32bit, born with 0,5 gb of RAM, currently with 1gb, my netbook (that doubles as my work “desktop”) is a single core, 1 gb of shared RAM, and 2 desktops ago, my work computer was a 32bits single core with 1 gb of RAM- I never ever ran out of RAM using spacefm/zzzfm, since my antiX 16 days.
Are there users with 128RAM computers out there? Probably. My advice to them? Use midnight commander to manage files, do not use rox, do not use desktop icons at all!
My personal suggestion would be: use icewm by default (without desktop icons) with zzzfm as default File Manager – the idle RAM usage would be decreased and users would get a more standard file manager (that they can replace, for a more RAM efficient one, with about 4 mouse clicks)

– Localization:
I don’t think that anyone here ever criticized having a better localized OS, so Marcelo’s and the rest of the translation team efforts are apreciated by people all over the world, but have 0 negative impact on english speaking users

– Having more software on Package Installer:
I don’t think that anyone here ever criticized having a better software offer in what is our “App store”. You install only what you need/want – having more offer has 0 negative impact on 100% of users, and can have a positive impact on users that require certain features…

– Having a GUI .deb package installer:
anticapitalista decided to include one, long ago, that, as far as I know, only ceased being included in antiX because it became problematic. Having one, that is about 7kb on the system, has 0 negative impact on 100% of users, and can have a positive impact on users that require that feature.

-On my suggested tweaks for the default menu and toolbar layout:
This is only a UX thing – like I said, having a way to update the OS, exit the OS, open the default word processor with a single click can make antiX more usable to new users and still have next to zero impact on more advanced users, that may consider that having 10 or so quick launchers on their toolbar offends their minimalist stance- Yep, you are right, antiX is prone to minimalism, but also usability. It’s far easier for you to delete those icons than for a new user to figure what to add to the toolbar, even if ToolbarIconManager is right there on the toolbar… So this proposal implies some costs on the official minimalism stance that antiX usually follows vs increase usability (with about 0 cost on system resources)

So, you can’t please everyone. But you can please most people – anticapitalista will decide

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