antiX-23 – based on Debian 12 Bookworm – ideas

[Member sybok]

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Hi, I have not tested antiX-22, all my systems are antiX-19/21 based.
I do not know if there is anything I miss in antiX that is not easily made available using package installer(s).

A minor suggestion, if more such path additions will be prepended, then it could be streamlined into iteration over array-items.
Caveat: it may make it a bit more cryptic and switching of individual from prepend/append harder unless making a new array which is appended to path.

add_path=('/var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin/' "$HOME/Applications/")
for dir_path in "${add_path[@]}"; do
  [ -d "${dir_path}" ] && PATH="${dir_path}:$PATH"
done

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I agree with the idea of giving the user an easy way to choose the number and maybe names of the desktops or workspaces.

Keep in mind that the Workspaces (maybe desktop is a better name, but we should be careful choosing initially) each can have names, not just numbers. Maybe nobody uses that feature? If that’s the case just choosing a number is fine.

The other thing is that when you restart your session, you probably don’t want it changing back to the default number.

And if you switch to JWM or Fluxbox it would be nice if they carried across.

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[Member Robin]

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BobC wrote:

[…] maybe desktop is a better name, but we should be careful choosing initially […]

Yes, I agree. I used simply a raw re-translation back to English language, not knowing how to call it properly. All the translatable strings in my script proposal should be checked and improved by native speakers.

BobC wrote:

Keep in mind that the Workspaces […] each can have names, not just numbers.

Yes, but even when workspaces are named, you have a defined amount of them, their count is provided by the script in the pulldown menu. I don’t know of a way to close workspaces individually by name. The wmctrl command allows you only to set a count, and all desktops above this count will get closed, whatever their assigned name is (or opened, without assigning a name to it). Even when a workspace was named, it still has a unique number assigned. Hence the script can handle named workspaces properly. But it can’t assign names when adding new ones, and also not closing specific workspaces selected by name. This is subject of further improvement of the script, if possible. Maybe xdotool or some other command provides a solution.

Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

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I didn’t see anyone objecting to changing the default file manager to zzzfm, but does that mean we leave the default desktop as rox-icewm and just change the file manager, or also change the default desktop at the same time to zzz-icewm?

I’m working on a test build from anticapitalista’s runit 64 sid core to antiX 23 runit 64 base, and making the default changes as part of that so people can try what is being suggested…

If I’m stepping on anyone’s toes doing that, please let me know. Nobody “sanctioned” it.

PS: I will assume the default desktop itself stays as rox-icewm unless told otherwise. I usually run icewm alone myself, so am probably not the best person to suggest.

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… Maybe a nice and light tcp viewer can be added to ?
https://github.com/chipmunk-sm/tcpview
Graphical network connections viewer for Linux

[Member marcelocripe]

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Anticapitalista, I looked at the antiX Updater program (yad-updater), it has:

TEXTDOMAINDIR=/usr/share/locale
TEXTDOMAIN=yad-updater

And in the folder /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES is the file “yad-updater.mo”, but the translation doesn’t work.

All texts are marked to be translated with a dollar sign “$”, except the text of line 38: “No updates were found” and line 41: “Finished” which remain to be marked for translation.

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Anticapitalista, eu olhei o programa Atualizador do antiX (yad-updater), ele possui:

TEXTDOMAINDIR=/usr/share/locale
TEXTDOMAIN=yad-updater

E na pasta /usr/share/locale/pt_BR/LC_MESSAGES está o arquivo “yad-updater.mo”, mas a tradução não funciona.

Todos os textos estão marcados para serem traduzidos com um cifrão “$”, exceto o texto da linha 38: “No updates were found” e da linha 41: “Finished” que faltam ser marcados para serem traduzidos.

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Agree with BobC, I also think it would help new users to have default zzz-ice in full version,
That assumes Base and core users are experienced and will also set what they feel like.
As long as switching default back to (my personal preference) rox is/stays clear and easy no
complaints here.

As already posted a while back quite a few phone types will not mount with current script.
Hopefully PPC is planning to fix that. It is an irritation for users like me who often
need to transfer files pics etc. For new users a real obstacle.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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Has anyone had successful results in creating reusable snapshots of Sid as a springboard for work going into the next release?

BobC and I have been collaborating with some Sid snapshots and we’ve found a problem when reusing the snapshots on other systems.

Any thoughts, corrections, suggestions, fixes and improvements are welcome.

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I typically do not participate in discussions regarding selecting applications, file managers, and so forth for my focus is antix-core.

I am requesting as antiX 23 specific software is revised or replaced to identify and reduce calling specific programs. I can think of two examples where links2 and roxterm are being called. Instead use system environment variables or alternatives (xdg) to avoid making antix-core users having to install unwanted software.

I recognize this is not always possible or desirable and I am not suggesting anyone has done anything wrong.

Thank you!

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[Member marcelocripe]

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Hello everyone again.

Yesterday, on the 29-12-2022, I saw @Dolphin_Oracle’s announcement of the 27th of December 2022 about the “deb-installer”. And I make some reflections or even provocations (in a good way, of course) in the sense of who knows how to make other people also make their own reflections.

New Transifex Resource: deb-installer

by dolphin_oracle » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:50 pm
A new resource is available on transifex for “deb-installer”, which is intended to be a replacement for gdebi on future isos. deb-installer uses apt to install multiple selected deb files and their dependencies.

deb-installer is here: https://www.transifex.com/anticapitalista/antix-development/deb-installer/

the desktop file entries are here: https://www.transifex.com/anticapitalista/antix-development/deb-installer-desktop/

Thanks in advance! The app will be in the repo shortly, but it will be on the Xfce and Fluxbox isos starting with the 21.3 release, coming in January.

To begin with, I need to point out here that I don’t use MX Linux, I use antiX Linux and install it for many Brazilians. Even though I’m not using MX Linux, I’m a volunteer translator for the two GNU/Linux distributions. I will continue to be an MX Linux volunteer translator, until an MX Linux user comes along who is Brazilian and wants to become an MX Linux volunteer translator.

Eventually, I access the MX Linux forum in the area about translation, since Transifex does not always send a notification informing about changes or sending new programs (resources) to be translated. Well, yesterday I came across the ad described in full above and I was left with the following questions:

1 – This is another one of the excellent programs created by PPC, I had the privilege to help test it and now MX Linux users will have access to it in future ISOs and maybe in MX updates. Meanwhile, I see several people here objecting to Debintaller being included in antiX to replace the “deceased” GDebi. (Does anyone think this is a form of envy?)

2 – Our community develops several programs, the PPC that says so, are solutions on top of solutions, but common users or basic users who do not frequent this forum, cannot have access to these excellent programs that I call “solutions” , since there is a “resistance” from some people to accept that antiX needs to keep evolving.

3 – I put myself in the place of the anti-capitalist and I keep imagining how difficult it is for him to take a direction for the future of antiX. He asks a simple question and gets several: “don’t include this, because I don’t need it”, “no (‘evolve’), keep antiX as is”, “don’t do such a thing”, “don’t include this, no it’s useless”, “don’t include that, it’ll make antiX ‘bloated'”, “no, why not!”…

4 – Older antiX users told me the other day that in the not too distant past, there was no program to change the date and time in antiX, everything had to be done in the terminal. That makes no sense… We are no longer in the MS-DOS era where everything has to be difficult and has to be done on a “black screen”, that’s why windows and buttons exist.

5 – MX Linux will benefit from Debinstaller, so all MX linux users will also benefit and I am outraged that Debinstaller is not yet in antiX 21, 22 or whether or not it will make it into antiX 23. This is how throw all the time and work of volunteer programmers and translators from the antiX community into the trash can. I have to point out that after so many teachings that I had here in this forum, in which I will always be extremely grateful for all the people who taught me, that I can also say that I don’t need the Debinstaller, but I want it to be in antiX so that it can benefit antiX and users who need Debinstaller.

6 – If you don’t need all the programs that are developed by the volunteer programmers of the antiX community, then let other people who need them have access to the programs and the translations.

7 – If the intention is to prevent the community from growing and new users coming to antiX, keeping everything as difficult as possible, then they can continue to pretend that antiX does not need these programs that were made and thought of for basic or common users.

8- Don’t forget, if the community doesn’t grow, it will inevitably die, because that’s exactly what happened to several other GNU/Linux distributions over time and people just don’t see it. I don’t know what your age is, so think about it, if the antiX community is made up of old people, then we have a serious problem, the community doesn’t have much time to live. Am I guessing something wrong?

9 – I hope that Skidoo and the others who disappeared from the forum in a very strange way, did not lose their lives with 18 years of age or less.

10 – The “Debinstaller” of MX Linux rewritten to “deb-installer” is already translated to Portuguese in Brazil.

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Olá a todos novamente.

Ontem, no dia 29-12-2022, eu vi o anúncio do @Dolphin_Oracle do dia 27 de dezembro de 2022 sobre o “deb-installer”. E faço algumas reflexões ou até provocações (no bom sentido, é claro) no sentido de quem sabe fazer com que as outras pessoas também façam as suas próprias reflexões.

New Transifex Resource: deb-installer

by dolphin_oracle » Tue Dec 27, 2022 5:50 pm
A new resource is available on transifex for “deb-installer”, which is intended to be a replacement for gdebi on future isos. deb-installer uses apt to install multiple selected deb files and their dependencies.

deb-installer is here: https://www.transifex.com/anticapitalista/antix-development/deb-installer/

the desktop file entries are here: https://www.transifex.com/anticapitalista/antix-development/deb-installer-desktop/

Thanks in advance! The app will be in the repo shortly, but it will be on the Xfce and Fluxbox isos starting with the 21.3 release, coming in January.

Para começar, eu preciso destacar aqui que eu não utilizo o MX Linux, eu utilizo o antiX Linux e o instalo para vários Brasileiros. Mesmo não utilizando o MX Linux, eu sou um tradutor voluntário das duas distribuições GNU/Linux. Eu continuarei sendo um tradutor voluntário do MX Linux, até que surja um usuário do MX Linux que seja Brasileiro e queira se tornar um tradutor voluntário do MX Linux.

Eventualmente, eu acesso o fórum do MX Linux na área sobre tradução, já que nem sempre o Transifex envia uma notificação informando sobre as alterações ou envio de novos programas (recursos) para serem traduzidos. Pois bem, ontem eu me deparei com o anúncio descrito na íntegra acima e eu fiquei com as seguintes indagações:

1 – Este é mais um dos excelentes programas criados pelo PPC, eu tive o privilégio de ajudar a testar e agora os usuários do MX Linux terão acesso a ele nas futuras ISOs e talvez nas atualizações do MX. Enquanto isso, eu vejo diversas pessoas aqui se opondo ao Debintaller de ser incluído no antiX em substituição ao “falecido” GDebi. (Será que alguém pode achar que isso seja um tipo de inveja?)

2 – A nossa comunidade desenvolve diversos programas, o PPC que o diga, são soluções em cima de soluções, mas os usuários comuns ou usuários básicos que não frequentam este fórum, não conseguem ter acesso a estes excelentes programas que eu chamo de “soluções”, já que existe uma “resistência” de algumas pessoas em aceitar que o antiX precisa continuar evoluindo.

3 – Eu me coloco no lugar do anticapitalista e fico imaginando como é difícil para ele tomar uma direção para o futuro do antiX. Ele faz uma pergunta simples e recebe diversos: “não inclua isso, porque eu não preciso disso”, “não (‘evolua’), continue com o antiX como está”, “não faça tal coisa”, “não inclua isso, não serve para nada”, “não inclua aquilo, vai deixar o antiX ‘inchado'”, “não, porque não!”…

4 – Os usuários mais antigos do antiX me contaram outro dia que no passado não muito distante, que não havia um programa para alterar a data e hora no antiX, tudo tinha que ser feito no terminal. Isso não tem cabimento… Não estamos mais na época do MS-DOS onde tudo tem que ser difícil e tem que ser feito na “tela preta”, para isso existem as janelas e os botões.

5 – O MX Linux será beneficiado pelo Debinstaller, por tanto, todos os usuários do MX linux também serão beneficiados e eu fico indignado que o Debinstaller ainda não esteja no antiX 21, 22 ou se vai ou não entrar no antiX 23. Isso é como jogar na lata do lixo todo o tempo e o trabalho dos programadores e tradutores voluntários da comunidade do antiX. Eu tenho que destacar que depois de tantos ensinamentos que eu tive aqui neste fórum, no qual eu sempre serei extremamente grato por todas as pessoas que me ensinaram, que eu também posso dizer que eu não preciso do Debinstaller, mas eu quero que esteja no antiX para que possa beneficiar o antiX e os usuários que precisam do Debinstaller.

6 – Se você não precisa de todos os programas que são desenvolvidos pelos programadores voluntários da comunidade do antiX, então deixe que as outras pessoas que precisam tenham acesso aos programas e as traduções.

7 – Se a intenção é impedir que a comunidade cresça e que novos usuários venham para o antiX, mantendo tudo o mais difícil possível, então podem continuar fingindo que o antiX não precisa destes programas que foram feitos e pensados nos usuários básicos ou comuns.  

8- Não se esqueça, se a comunidade não crescer, inevitavelmente irá morrer, porque é exatamente isso que aconteceu com várias outras distribuições GNU/Linux ao longo do tempo e só não vê isso quem não quer. Eu não sei qual é a sua idade, por isso, pense bem, se a comunidade antiX for formada por pessoas idosas, então temos um sério problema, a comunidade não tem muito tempo de vida. Por acaso eu estou supondo algo errado?

9 – Eu espero que o Skidoo e os outros que sumiram daqui do fórum de uma maneira muito estranha, não tenham perdido as suas vidas com 18 anos de idade ou menos.

10 – O “Debinstaller” do MX Linux reescrito para “deb-installer” já está traduzido para o idioma Português do Brasil.

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I do not want to “necropost”- but just call attention to this thread that seems to died off:

Several usability suggestions made here are now part of the default template for IceWM menu and also the toolbar:
– The menu now features app-select as the first entry (where most people expect to find a menu’s search field). The first layer of the menu is now a bit shorter, without the “Help” sub-menu
– The toolbar now includes, by default antiX Updater and Toolbar Icon Manager (making it clear- or so I hope- to newbies that they do have to click the updater to get updates and that they can, in fact, use a GUI to manager toolbar icons)

There are many more ideas out there that make antiX easier to use or add some nice features to it, without using more system resources- this applies to current and to future antiX versions!

My thanks to anticapitalista, for trying to have not only a technically excellent OS, but also one that improved greatly in usability, since I started using it! Even not being a system meant for the masses, it’s almost as user friendly as some more popular distros out there, or even other kinds of OS- and that is quite a feat, considering antiX runs even on a potato!

P.

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I forgot to post this idea, stolen from the latest antiX based OS- LegacyOS – if zzzfm does not end up selected as default File Manager, one way to make new users aware of it is (sigh) adding a pinned entry for in in the first layer of the menu, just below the “File Manager” one.
( I took many weeks exploring everything that’s in the menu, before realizing that another “more user frienly” FM was included out of the box- if it was right in front of my eyes, I would not have found antiX so hard to adjust to. )
My best suggestion is still to make zzzfm the default browser, even if using a rox-icewm desktop (using Rox to manage desktop icons. This has some cons and some pros:
PROS: -rox is a bit lighter than zzzfm, so, if a file manager has to be always running on the background, displaying desktop icons, it might as well, for system resources sake, be rox…
CONS: Many users tend to keep their File Manager open, while doing other stuff – this mean more system resources will be used, when zzzfm is running, because the user is using zzzfm and desktop icons are being processed by rox- there are 2 file managers in RAM (so using zzz-icewm would save system resources for this kind of users).

This can be achieved using the same config file that Ft10 implements, if the user chooses to adapt zzzfm – but minus the Trash Can. The f10-fm-config.sh script creates Bookmarks for Documents, Music, Downloads, automatically, from the names of the folders, but I’m aware that the same process that antix uses to localize those folder names can be adapted to also generate correctly localized zzzfm favorites.
A few more tweaks are performed, to make sure zzzfm looks more slick, has only the essential icons on the toolbar. NOTE: probably showing internal drives by default would be handy, to help users access drives shared with other OSes, other partitions…
Maybe also allowing, be default, other partitions/internal drives to be mounted? Or would this mean that some users may damage their Windows partitions?- after all, I think ntfs support is greatly increased and included in newer Linux Kernels

Also using some of the old wallpapers, specially those that are tiny, just so users can have a couple more choices would be a nice touch, bust wasting 1 Mb or more of space in the Full iso.

P.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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@PPC: How about this as an alternative?

Leave the default antiX alone as it is, (or how antiX is planned to be implemented).

Then choose one or both of the following options:

1) Replace roxfm with zzzFM in the FT10 menu and/or

2) Create a custom respin with FT10 and other simple, yet still relatively light tools and either share it as a beginning starter kit for novice users or even a fork or modified version of antiX.

Not required but it wouldn’t be too difficult. If you and others don’t have time to do it, just describe what you would like. I might be able to do it as long as I have a freely available public server where such an effort could be stored and shared.

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Dear “The Mas”:
I only made my suggestion about making zzzfm the default (with a new config file) because anticapitalista said himself he was pondering that.
Since I consider myself the self appointed UX guy for antiX (for whatever that’s worth), I posted “thinking out loud”, letting anticapitalista know about all possible consequences, and ways around them, that choosing zzzfm as defaulf fm implies.

A bit off-topic, but replying to your excellent suggestions:
1- FT10 messes as little as possible with the user’s settings (following the antiX policy of not changing the user’s home, unless it’s required to configure FT10). But the menu entry that refers to File Manager really points to “zzzfm||desktop-defaults-run -fm”. This means it tries to launch zzzfm and if it fails, it will run whatever is set as default File Manager – I thought it was a nice way to “push” users to use what I think of being one of the best and lightest FM available for any OS, that’s also one of the lightest, and still respect the user’s choice- from the default antiX menu, clicking “File Manager” does launch the default file manager (rox, zzzfm or any other). But newbies do have zzzfm available straight from the menu.
The same applies to the File Manager “Tile” and the File Manager quick launcher available by default on the tint2 toolbar.
Basically the user only notices that zzzfm is not the default FM when inserting a thumb drive or, in the browser, selecting to view a file in the file manager… I’m aware that may freak some newbies out, that think “why is this strange file manager showing my thumb-drive/download files? Does antiX have a bug”. So I may add, to the option, selected by default, in the “activate Ft10 window”, of configuring zzzfm, also make it the default FM…
2- I’ve discussed making a FT10 iso – BobC played with that idea, for a while. But I DO NOT want to make a new Distro/respin – a different question is having antiX Full and then antiX FT10 (the only difference between the proposed FT10 antiX flavour would be that the “FT10 – enable” screen would pop up automatically, in live mode (much like conman does, if no network is detected) with a new default select (default antiX toolbar and menu). The user would have 3/4 options:
a) default antiX toolbar and menu
b) FT10 toolbar with a categories menu
c) FT10 toolbar with a “Tiles menu” (similar to what windows 10 provides)
and eventually one extra option:
d) FT10 toolbar with a “simple menu” (that is The Tiled menu, with the tiles turned off- similar to what windows 11 provides- you can already achieve this, from ft10’s GUI, but it’s not that intuitive)

The yad window would close automatically, if no selection is made in say, 30 or 60 seconds, leaving the user with the default antiX toolbar and menu (and some new menu entries, created by the FT10 package – like you said, they are minimal. Some features only install the required packages when the user chooses to start them for the first time, if the user chooses to proceed with the installation of the required packages. So, no “bloat” to connect to samba shared folders, if the user does not have any shared folders, etc…
In my proposed antiX Full- Ft10 “official flavour” (and not a spin), when the user installs antiX from the live environment, the installed version follows the selection the user made in live mode (or, in the worst case scenario, asks the user again which “interface” should be used, and make that permanent, unless the user runs “enable Ft10” again).

P.

(PS: I’m already testing out the beta of the next version of FT10- version 1.5beta1- I have to insert the new scripts, to manage the clock and Titles of windows on the toolbar)

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