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anticapitalista
This is similar to the 32bit thread – asking about kernels.
antiX-23-full 64 bit will definitely ship with a custom 6.1 kernel (already in the testing/sid repos).
The question is ..
– only ship with that kernal
– also ship with 5.10 kernel (no 4 series one)
– also ship with 4.19 kernal (no 5 series one)I know some users had issues with the 5.10 kernel and the 4.19 worked ok.
Post comments/thoughts.
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
Brian Masinick
Thanks anticapitalista.
For my 64 bit systems nearly all of them work with Verizon 6+ kernels.
Also for some strange reason the same kernels that solved issues for some people, the 5.10 series, have been nothing but problems for me.
I got them working for a short while, either live or on a system with an entire disk devoted to the distributions but even then they were still fickle but nearly any other kernels that support the hardware work and work well.
My newest computer only supports late versions of the 5 series and works very well with 6.1 as long as the rtw89_8852ae wireless modules are completely up to date. Some Debian distributions were missing a few files for that wireless module but if they’re current they should work.
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
I think that 6.1 and a mid 5 version ought to help most people and if we have a 32 bit version with old hardware support we ought to be in good shape.
Is there anyone out there who has non standard but security updated kernels for the 4 series that gets us past 4.9 and 4.19 EOL?
Those were great kernels and even on my Dell laptop that can run newer kernels those old kernels run like smooth butter.
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Brian Masinick
sasa_
AntiX 23, version 64 bits, should only come with kernel 6.1.
Kernel 5.10 did not prove to be a good solution.
Kernel 4. 19 should not be added to newer version 6.1.
If the kernel 6.1 doesn’t work on my old computer, I’ll install something else.stevesr0
On my minimalistic Sid install and my 19 full install and my 21 full install 5.10 is running fine.
Would be happy to have a 6.1 option for 23/64 bits.
stevesr0
marcelocripe
This is similar to the 32bit thread – asking about kernels.
As I don’t have advanced knowledge about kernels, I couldn’t comment or present my suggestions in the 32-bit thread. So, I searched the internet, Telegram and WhatsApp groups, and of course I always followed the antiX forum on how the 6.X kernel behaves on older computers. The information I found was similar that support for multiple graphics cards was dropped.
I know some users had issues with the 5.10 kernel and the 4.19 worked ok.
I think in the following logic, the user tries to start with the 6.1 kernel, if he doesn’t start the graphic mode, he restarts the computer and tries to start with the older kernel. The older kernel that has the most compatibility and works best seems to be the best option. The other option would be to have all three kernels available in the boot menu. Would that be possible anti-capitalist?
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This is similar to the 32bit thread – asking about kernels.
Como eu não possuo conhecimentos avançados sobre os kernels, eu não pude comentar ou apresentar as minhas sugestões no tópico de 32 bits. Então, eu fui pesquisar na internet, nos grupos de Telegram e WhatsApp, além é claro de sempre acompanhar o fórum do antiX em como o kernel 6.X se comporta nos computadores mais antigos. As informações que eu encontrei foram similares de que foi abandonado o suporte para várias placas de vídeos.
I know some users had issues with the 5.10 kernel and the 4.19 worked ok.
Eu penso na seguinte lógica, o usuário tenta iniciar com o kernel 6.1, se não inciar o modo gráfico reinicia o computador e tenta iniciar com o kernel mais antigo. O kernel mais antigo que possui maior compatibilidade e que funciona melhor parece ser a melhor opção. A outra opção seria ter os três kernels disponíveis no menu de incialização. Isso seria possível anticapitalista?
PPC
Kernel 5.X works great in all my machines.
My proposal to make an antiX 23 beta with a Kernel 6.1 and see how older machines deal with it is probably the safest way to go…Keeping an older legacy Kernel theoretically would allow the OS to support older machines… but Kernel 5.1 runs great, even on my 20 years old 32bits laptop, and any problem I had with antiX (on my dell desktop) are not kernel related. So, in practice, keeping a 5.1 legacy kernel would provide security updates for computers that can’t handle 6.1 for more time than just having 4.X… Hum… tough choice. If no one says 5.1 fails to work for them, stick with it as legacy kernel, it’s my opinion.
stevix
I run Manjaro on one of my other laptops, and that takes twice as long to boot with the 6.1 kernel compared to the 5.15 kernel. I don’t know if the way it behaves on a different distro is relevant, but that’s my only (brief) use of the 6.1 kernel, so hoping to avoid it in the future.
Brian Masinick
From https://kernel.org/category/releases.html
Version Maintainer Released Projected EOL 6.1 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2022-12-11 Dec, 2026 5.15 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2021-10-31 Oct, 2026 5.10 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2020-12-13 Dec, 2026 5.4 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2019-11-24 Dec, 2025 4.19 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2018-10-22 Dec, 2024 4.14 Greg Kroah-Hartman & Sasha Levin 2017-11-12 Jan, 2024As I’ve said before, some people do well with the 5.10 kernel and it was known to fix a few difficult issues.
On the other hand, I know personally that the 5.10 kernel was also one of the most difficult kernels for
other systems, so while it apparently “fixed” some, it broke others that had otherwise worked for many years.Here’s a convenient location to grab kernels for anyone wanting to either build source or directly use
a tarball:
https://www.kernel.org/feeds/kdist.xmlTo me, the tree that needs OLD kernel support the most is the 32 bit tree.
I’m not 100% positive of this, but based on my personal and recent experience with systems between 7
and about 12-14 years old the Version 6 kernels HAVE been working on most, if not all, of the systems
I have in hand. The newest of these, my Dell Inspiron 5558, already quite a few years old, runs
VERY WELL with the 6.1 kernel.Too bad the 4.9 kernel has ended support, it ran REALLY well on several of my older systems, though
the 4.19 kernel is also working well.Someone made a suggestion about the 6.1 kernel – in the next, or one of the test versions before
release, let’s try having a 6.1 kernel as the default and see how well it works out, and hang
onto the 4.19 kernel for those it doesn’t work out.Then for the 32 bit version – which I’ll also mention in the 32 bit thread, that’s the one
that we’ll have to work hard to keep running, I think the 4.19 kernel would be a definite
keeper, but I’m hoping some hacker somewhere does some work beyond what kernel.org does
and somehow keeps older, unsupported kernels working. If yes, maybe that’s a potential
solution. Otherwise, when 4.19 support ceases, either the 5.4 or 5.10 kernel will have
to make due for those people. I’m concerned about what “Bookworm” changes will do to
impact that community, and for them, I think one of our legacy releases with lifespan
remaining may be their last place for “safe” use; after that, use those systems only
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Brian Masinick
caprea
run Manjaro on one of my other laptops, and that takes twice as long to boot with the 6.1 kernel compared to the 5.15 kernel.
I don’t think this can be transferred so easily to antiX and every hardware, didn’t try the 5.15 though,but 5.10.
Wow, runit is fast!5.10 kernel
$ inxi -zv7 System: Kernel: 5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0 Distro: antiX-23-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 3 February 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid Machine: Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20AWS3RH00 v: ThinkPad T440p$ pstree runit─┬─conky───6*[{conky}] ├─dbus-daemon ├─dbus-launch ├─devmon───udevil ├─pipewire───{pipewire} ├─roxterm───bash───pstree ├─runsvdir─┬─7*[runsv───getty] │ ├─runsv─┬─cupsd │ │ └─svlogd │ ├─runsv─┬─avahi-daemon───avahi-daemon │ │ └─svlogd │ ├─runsv─┬─bluetoothd │ │ └─svlogd │ ├─runsv───slimski─┬─Xorg───4*[{Xorg}] │ │ └─desktop-session───icewm-session───icewm │ ├─runsv─┬─connmand │ │ └─svlogd │ ├─runsv───udevd │ ├─runsv───seatd │ └─runsv───dbus-daemon ├─startup───wireplumber───3*[{wireplumber}] ├─startup───pipewire-pulse───{pipewire-pulse} ├─startup───volumeicon ├─wpa_supplicant └─zzzfm$ start-t icewm 6.43 6.436.1 kernel
$ inxi -zv7 System: Kernel: 6.1.10-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 12.2.0 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0 Distro: antiX-23-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 3 February 2023 base: Debian GNU/Linux bookworm/sid Machine: Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 20AWS3RH00 v: ThinkPad T440p$ pstree runit─┬─conky───6*[{conky}] ├─dbus-daemon ├─dbus-launch ├─devmon───udevil ├─pipewire───{pipewire} ├─roxterm───bash───pstree ├─runsvdir─┬─7*[runsv───getty] │ ├─runsv─┬─cupsd │ │ └─svlogd │ ├─runsv─┬─avahi-daemon───avahi-daemon │ │ └─svlogd │ ├─runsv─┬─bluetoothd │ │ └─svlogd │ ├─runsv───slimski─┬─Xorg───4*[{Xorg}] │ │ └─desktop-session───icewm-session───icewm │ ├─runsv─┬─connmand │ │ └─svlogd │ ├─runsv───udevd───udevd │ ├─runsv───seatd │ └─runsv───dbus-daemon ├─startup───wireplumber───3*[{wireplumber}] ├─startup───pipewire-pulse───{pipewire-pulse} ├─startup───volumeicon ├─wpa_supplicant └─zzzfm$ start-t icewm 5.91 5.91I have done this a few times. The result is always the same. The 6.1 kernel is a tiny bit faster here.
Xunzi_23
4.19 Kernel is listed on the ELTS Freexian pages for stretch end of support 2027-06-30,
well worth watching how things move as paying customers can possibly push end of support
date even further. Both 32 and 64 bit kernels are available so for those who can use that
version hope is not lost for a while.Brian Masinick
@Caprea: That’s a very interesting find! My suspicion and overall conclusion is that different kernels work better for different systems.
There is no doubt in my mind that the kernels over the past several years have increased considerably in overall size, so to a certain degree, the hardware has to have certain capabilities and capacity in order to be able to support what the kernels offer. If it does, then improvements in caching, process management, efficient parallel processing, and so forth can certainly result in “faster” overall performance. I can attest that my newest systems definitely benefit from new features.
On the other hand, one of my “middle age” systems, the Dell Inspiron 5558 works with the 6.1 kernels and also works with several of the 4 series and 5 series kernels. That system is as solid as a rock – (and weighs much more than most of the new generation laptops. It has more than ample memory so it can handle new stuff but it has also been my only computer that has ever been “fickle” about any kernel and I’ve written about that many times – it doesn’t behave well with the 5.10 kernel for reasons I’ve never completely understood. “Some days” it’ll work fine, and other days the Intel Frame Buffer or something else won’t work right and it won’t get past building out the /dev (device) structure as it boots. Go figure! On that same system, though V6.1 does work fine, the 4.4, 4.9, and 4.19 kernels have worked particularly well and the features that DO work on that system seem to be happiest, in terms of lower memory consumption than with the other kernels. As for 6.1, it’s arguably just as fast (or faster) with the 6.1 kernel but on that system it does consume much more memory than those 4 series kernels.
I haven’t recently collected empirical data on these observations, though I’ve done so “casually” with a lot of my “What are you here with” information reports on the Dell, the removed Acer Aspire 5 A515-55, and my current HP-14, which I’m using now.
This HP-14 is the ONE that MOST benefits from the use of the 6.1 kernel; in fact it REQUIRES at LEAST a very late 5 series (5.16 minimal, 5.18 or later recommended, 6+ optimal) kernel.
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
@xunzi_23 wrote: “4.19 Kernel is listed on the ELTS Freexian pages for stretch end of support 2027-06-30,
well worth watching how things move as paying customers can possibly push end of support
date even further. Both 32 and 64 bit kernels are available so for those who can use that
version hope is not lost for a while.”PERFECT! This is precisely what can help older models, but ESPECIALLY the 32-bit user community.
For the very oldest systems, these may wish to NOT move to our upcoming antiX 23 release, but INSTEAD get a hold of this kernel and ride it out as long as possible with one of our other releases (antiX 21/22 if it works, or the next older one that still works), combined with this kernel update.
The rest of us can either keep the old AND the new or migrate to our upcoming new version. At least it sounds like collectively we may have success keeping the really old stuff going just a bit longer after all! Thank you xunzi_23 for letting us know about this!
- This reply was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Brian Masinick.
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Brian MasinickFWIW,
Just installed the 6.1.10 antix kernel (Sid repo). Boots my old Fujitsu as fast as 5.10.142 and seems to run fine. During boot, it seems to identify usb hardware that I don’t recall the 5.10.142 kernel mentioning. I will check on the next few boots of those kernels.
stevesr0
sasa_
Let’s hope for an alpha2 release soon, with kernel 6.1?
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