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manyroads
I hope this a good place for my post… (the original is on the MX forums)
I have been working with the alpha version of antiX and must say I am impressed. Given where we are in the life-cycle of the product, it is quite stable and usable. But because I’m an old geek, I have been tuning it to see what I can make it do and look like. My initial foray has been with the ‘space-jwm’ version.
If you want to see what can be done with a light window manager, Debian, and a few hacks/ tweaks, I hope this provides you with a pretty good place to start.
First let me say, I like the vanilla version. Although to me (a child of the 50-60s) it looks very 70s-ish. Never trust an old guy who wants to modernize, but I have tried adding functions and eye-candy to this tiny platform. Purists will say, I broke it; oh well…
Here’s what I have done:
I changed all the Wallpapers (because I like the ones I found of old Windows…btw they are all from http://Pixabay.com ). They seem to fit the look of a WM (windows manager based platform). jwm = Joe’s Window Manager (gotta love the name).
Next I changed to the startup functions to:<StartupCommand> tint2 & plank & compton & </StartupCommand>I, made certain the following packages were installed (I used cli for that).
sudo apt install tint2 plank synapse fonts-roboto fonts-roboto-hinted fonts-roboto-unhinted txt2tags— tint2 is a nice panel for tracking tasks etc.
— plank is nice dock/ launcher (one of my favorites)
— synapse is a semantic application launcher & more (my favorite)
— compton is the compositor I elected to use (eye candy remember)
— roboto fonts were installed because I use them in my conky and on te desktop/ file managers
— txt2tags is used for a test I am running to see if I like xdgmenumaker (https://github.com/gapan/xdgmenumaker)— OptionalNote: xdgmenumaker, after some brief use, seems a bit redundant with the standard menu function(s) basically available with antiX 19.
I left the basic antiX preloaded software in the environment. I tried using LightDM, was not happy with what it broke. I went back to using SLIM, and just changed the background image to match my Desktop images.
Because I am using SpaceFM, I use it to control the Desktop icons. I use SpaceFM and the antiX Control Center to adjust/ control wallpapers.
The system seems to idle at around 400-500M (running tint2, jwm, conky, plank-eye-candy dock) and when I add Firefox (4 active tabs) it still runs below 800M. By my standards, that’s pretty good.
The Desktop and Login image files may be viewed here:
https://ibb.co/t27mzM7
https://ibb.co/KmDQZsf
https://ibb.co/jD67sjc
https://ibb.co/RvpNbqbPax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
dwm & i3wm ~Reg. Linux User #449130
20 Jan 2021 ~ "End of an Error"Anonymous
Thanks for the writeup. If you care to post the output shown by
sudo ps_mem.py
and/or
sudo service –status-all | egrep ‘[+?]’
it will be interesting to know how/what is consuming 400Mb RAMnote: the above should read “dash dash status dash all”
but the forum software mangles – – dash dash, changes it to — longdash characterJust to make sure if I understood it correct… JVM using 40 ~ 50 MB or 400 ~ 500 MB RAM??? 100+ Tabs in Firefox?
If you talk about 400 ~ 500 MB RAM than … my Plasma uses less than 400 and Gnome3 on Ubuntu 19.04 uses approx. 550 MB RAM…
40 ~ 50 MB RAM I can get only under Wheezy.
manyroads
@skidoo here you are…
Private + Shared = RAM used Program
112.0 KiB + 59.5 KiB = 171.5 KiB sleep
228.0 KiB + 40.0 KiB = 268.0 KiB gpm
264.0 KiB + 81.5 KiB = 345.5 KiB cron
296.0 KiB + 64.5 KiB = 360.5 KiB init
368.0 KiB + 40.5 KiB = 408.5 KiB acpid
240.0 KiB + 243.5 KiB = 483.5 KiB bamfdaemon-dbus
368.0 KiB + 122.5 KiB = 490.5 KiB dbus-launch
484.0 KiB + 52.0 KiB = 536.0 KiB rpc.idmapd
364.0 KiB + 252.5 KiB = 616.5 KiB udevil
476.0 KiB + 167.5 KiB = 643.5 KiB rpcbind
636.0 KiB + 220.5 KiB = 856.5 KiB devmon
396.0 KiB + 549.5 KiB = 945.5 KiB avahi-daemon (2)
744.0 KiB + 333.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB dconf-service
880.0 KiB + 217.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB rpc.statd
364.0 KiB + 758.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB saned (2)
1.0 MiB + 93.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB VBoxService
812.0 KiB + 471.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB getty (6)
588.0 KiB + 767.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB desktop-session (2)
952.0 KiB + 406.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB dbus-daemon (2)
1.2 MiB + 280.5 KiB = 1.4 MiB sshd
1.2 MiB + 266.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB sudo
1.5 MiB + 74.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB elogind-daemon
1.2 MiB + 383.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB gnome-keyring-daemon
1.5 MiB + 206.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB connmand
1.1 MiB + 568.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB compton
1.6 MiB + 73.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB rsyslogd
1.1 MiB + 829.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB polkitd
1.6 MiB + 383.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB bluetoothd
1.9 MiB + 575.5 KiB = 2.5 MiB console-kit-daemon
2.3 MiB + 713.0 KiB = 3.0 MiB bash (3)
2.5 MiB + 537.0 KiB = 3.0 MiB udevd
2.6 MiB + 546.0 KiB = 3.1 MiB wpa_supplicant
3.2 MiB + 28.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged
2.3 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 3.3 MiB cupsd
3.7 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 4.8 MiB conky
4.0 MiB + 918.0 KiB = 4.9 MiB slim
3.8 MiB + 2.5 MiB = 6.3 MiB tint2
5.5 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 7.1 MiB volumeicon
7.4 MiB + 3.2 MiB = 10.6 MiB jwm
13.3 MiB + 3.1 MiB = 16.4 MiB bamfdaemon
15.6 MiB + 4.6 MiB = 20.1 MiB lxterminal
18.9 MiB + 10.1 MiB = 28.9 MiB yad
24.6 MiB + 12.7 MiB = 37.4 MiB plank
52.0 MiB + 7.9 MiB = 59.9 MiB Xorg
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243.7 MiB
=================================Pax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
dwm & i3wm ~Reg. Linux User #449130
20 Jan 2021 ~ "End of an Error"Aha, okay. I had asked to see ps_mem output b/c the OP mentioned “The system seems to idle at around 400-500M”
manyroads
Yes that number 400-500M came from conky…. your little tool shows it to be significantly lower. I probably need to fix the conky. 😉
Pax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
dwm & i3wm ~Reg. Linux User #449130
20 Jan 2021 ~ "End of an Error"manyroads
Hello all.
I was futzing around with iceWM-Space on antiX19… here are some images. The setup uses xcompmgr and some new theming.https://ibb.co/M73xGRp
https://ibb.co/WyQdSbMPax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
dwm & i3wm ~Reg. Linux User #449130
20 Jan 2021 ~ "End of an Error"I probably need to fix the conky.
… or understand how the random access memory management is working and then, everything is fine and you can let it be.
Please have a look at the example screenshot. Distro doesn’t make a difference for that matter.
So, how much RAM does it use? 800 MB or 2 GB?
Simplified, you’ve got a total amount of RAM (32 GB) and used and unused RAM.
Used RAM is not simply ‘used’ but, one part of it is used and the rest is reserved for future use and, it can be freed at anytime if needed. More total RAM, more reserved space. The effectively used (real) RAM is basically always the same.
To explain how exactly does this work and what it is good for would make a book or at least a booklet but, for you it only matters to remember that you should never trust (and compare!!) some numbers without knowing what exactly do they mean and that you can leave the Conky ‘in peace’.
ex_Koo
All using i3 with one terminal open..compton , nitrogen , conkybar , mpd service running.
Manyroads
iceWM-space with four screens open 404mb with a GUI desktop and a composite manager. That pretty good..
Skidoo
Whats with browsers why do they use so much memory even qutebrowser uses 304mb
`┏>>>{Wed May 01 05:54 PM}0:233 4
┗>>>koo@debian10 ~ 29 files = 1008K ~ >$sudo ps_mem
Private + Shared = RAM used Program112.0 KiB + 49.5 KiB = 161.5 KiB sleep
188.0 KiB + 25.5 KiB = 213.5 KiB acpid
304.0 KiB + 39.5 KiB = 343.5 KiB agetty
332.0 KiB + 82.5 KiB = 414.5 KiB cron
380.0 KiB + 71.5 KiB = 451.5 KiB rtkit-daemon
356.0 KiB + 206.0 KiB = 562.0 KiB sh (4)
500.0 KiB + 118.5 KiB = 618.5 KiB irqbalance
712.0 KiB + 18.5 KiB = 730.5 KiB ssh-agent
244.0 KiB + 576.5 KiB = 820.5 KiB urxvt
392.0 KiB + 670.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB avahi-daemon (2)
800.0 KiB + 295.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB at-spi-bus-launcher
776.0 KiB + 322.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB ibus-portal
904.0 KiB + 226.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB gconfd-2
792.0 KiB + 362.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB ibus-engine-simple
856.0 KiB + 322.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB ibus-dconf
920.0 KiB + 344.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB at-spi2-registryd
1.0 MiB + 234.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB sudo
1.0 MiB + 629.5 KiB = 1.6 MiB systemd-timesyncd
1.0 MiB + 635.5 KiB = 1.6 MiB alsactl
1.4 MiB + 290.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB gvfsd
1.3 MiB + 602.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB systemd-logind
1.7 MiB + 230.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB exim4
1.7 MiB + 304.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB ibus-daemon
1.4 MiB + 697.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB dunst
2.0 MiB + 166.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB systemd-udevd
2.2 MiB + 77.5 KiB = 2.3 MiB rsyslogd
1.9 MiB + 747.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB cupsd
2.6 MiB + 163.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB wpa_supplicant
2.5 MiB + 313.5 KiB = 2.8 MiB polkitd
2.1 MiB + 749.5 KiB = 2.9 MiB dbus-daemon (3)
2.1 MiB + 963.5 KiB = 3.1 MiB cups-browsed
2.0 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 3.1 MiB bash (2)
2.3 MiB + 848.5 KiB = 3.1 MiB transmission-daemon
3.2 MiB + 25.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged
2.3 MiB + 904.0 KiB = 3.2 MiB lightdm (2)
3.0 MiB + 321.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB dhclient
3.3 MiB + 29.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB mount.ntfs-3g
3.3 MiB + 602.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB systemd-journald
2.2 MiB + 2.2 MiB = 4.4 MiB ibus-x11
4.4 MiB + 459.5 KiB = 4.8 MiB ModemManager
4.3 MiB + 891.5 KiB = 5.2 MiB colord
2.8 MiB + 2.5 MiB = 5.2 MiB i3
5.4 MiB + 229.5 KiB = 5.6 MiB compton
5.1 MiB + 520.5 KiB = 5.7 MiB udisksd
5.0 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 6.3 MiB NetworkManager
4.1 MiB + 2.4 MiB = 6.5 MiB i3bar
4.3 MiB + 2.5 MiB = 6.7 MiB conky
4.1 MiB + 4.4 MiB = 8.4 MiB systemd (3)
9.3 MiB + 2.4 MiB = 11.7 MiB rxvt
9.1 MiB + 2.9 MiB = 12.0 MiB ibus-extension-gtk3
10.4 MiB + 3.1 MiB = 13.5 MiB pulseaudio
13.5 MiB + 4.8 MiB = 18.3 MiB ibus-ui-gtk3
22.2 MiB + 5.4 MiB = 27.6 MiB mpd
44.8 MiB + 772.5 KiB = 45.5 MiB Xorg
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255.3 MiB
=================================┏>>>{Wed May 01 05:53 PM}0:233 3
┗>>>koo@debian10 ~ 29 files = 1008K ~ >$sudo ps_mem
Private + Shared = RAM used Program112.0 KiB + 41.5 KiB = 153.5 KiB sleep
188.0 KiB + 24.5 KiB = 212.5 KiB acpid
304.0 KiB + 37.5 KiB = 341.5 KiB agetty
332.0 KiB + 81.5 KiB = 413.5 KiB cron
380.0 KiB + 68.5 KiB = 448.5 KiB rtkit-daemon
356.0 KiB + 202.0 KiB = 558.0 KiB sh (4)
500.0 KiB + 114.5 KiB = 614.5 KiB irqbalance
712.0 KiB + 18.5 KiB = 730.5 KiB ssh-agent
244.0 KiB + 568.5 KiB = 812.5 KiB urxvt
692.0 KiB + 294.5 KiB = 986.5 KiB gconfd-2
392.0 KiB + 665.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB avahi-daemon (2)
776.0 KiB + 287.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB ibus-portal
800.0 KiB + 269.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB at-spi-bus-launcher
784.0 KiB + 322.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB ibus-engine-simple
856.0 KiB + 288.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB ibus-dconf
920.0 KiB + 301.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB at-spi2-registryd
1.0 MiB + 232.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB sudo
1.0 MiB + 473.5 KiB = 1.5 MiB alsactl
1.0 MiB + 620.5 KiB = 1.6 MiB systemd-timesyncd
1.4 MiB + 266.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB gvfsd
1.3 MiB + 598.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB systemd-logind
1.3 MiB + 579.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB dunst
1.7 MiB + 215.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB exim4
1.7 MiB + 270.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB ibus-daemon
2.0 MiB + 164.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB systemd-udevd
2.2 MiB + 74.5 KiB = 2.3 MiB rsyslogd
1.9 MiB + 737.5 KiB = 2.6 MiB cupsd
2.6 MiB + 159.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB wpa_supplicant
2.4 MiB + 294.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB polkitd
2.1 MiB + 726.5 KiB = 2.8 MiB dbus-daemon (3)
2.1 MiB + 938.5 KiB = 3.0 MiB cups-browsed
2.0 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 3.1 MiB bash (2)
2.3 MiB + 846.5 KiB = 3.1 MiB transmission-daemon
2.3 MiB + 870.0 KiB = 3.2 MiB lightdm (2)
3.2 MiB + 24.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged
3.0 MiB + 320.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB dhclient
3.3 MiB + 28.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB mount.ntfs-3g
2.1 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 3.7 MiB ibus-x11
3.3 MiB + 598.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB systemd-journald
2.7 MiB + 1.8 MiB = 4.5 MiB i3
4.3 MiB + 206.5 KiB = 4.5 MiB compton
4.4 MiB + 446.5 KiB = 4.8 MiB ModemManager
4.3 MiB + 829.5 KiB = 5.1 MiB colord
5.1 MiB + 501.5 KiB = 5.6 MiB udisksd
4.1 MiB + 1.7 MiB = 5.8 MiB i3bar
5.0 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 6.3 MiB NetworkManager
4.3 MiB + 2.2 MiB = 6.5 MiB conky
4.1 MiB + 4.4 MiB = 8.4 MiB systemd (3)
8.9 MiB + 2.0 MiB = 10.9 MiB ibus-extension-gtk3
9.1 MiB + 1.9 MiB = 10.9 MiB rxvt
10.3 MiB + 2.7 MiB = 13.1 MiB pulseaudio
11.6 MiB + 3.9 MiB = 15.5 MiB ibus-ui-gtk3
22.2 MiB + 5.0 MiB = 27.2 MiB mpd
44.7 MiB + 13.7 MiB = 58.4 MiB Xorg
449.3 MiB + 178.2 MiB = 627.5 MiB waterfox (2) <<<<280.1 MiB + 24.3 MiB = 304.3 MiB qutebrowser with half the memory usage
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885.8 MiB
=================================manyroads
@Koo I think there is quite a bandwidth of variability in Browser memory use. Generally Firefox and Chromium (Chrome) lead that parade. I think you might find Midori more resource frugal. Here’s an example study:
https://www.quora.com/Which-web-browser-consumes-the-least-amount-of-memory
Pax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
dwm & i3wm ~Reg. Linux User #449130
20 Jan 2021 ~ "End of an Error"There is also one more thing to it … what websites did you open inside of your web browser? Website != Website …
There are some Angular websites for example that will unnecessarily (and happily) ‘eat’ your RAM.
Biggest memory hog is probably the ‘infinite scroll‘ feature (Tumblr, Twitter …).
You just have to keep scrolling and your PC will crash.
1, 2, 4, 8 … 32 … 256 GB RAM; it’ll crash.
oops
Palemoon is not too bad (with plugin; “Lull the Tabs” here to avoid ; “memory hog is probably the ‘infinite scroll‘ feature”)
$ ps aux | awk '{mem[$11]+=int($6/1024)}; {cpuper[$11]+=$3};{memper[$11]+=$4}; END {for (i in mem) {print cpuper"% ",memper"% ",mem" MB ",i}}' | sort -k3nr | head -n 20 71.4% 18.8% 377 MB palemoon 4.6% 2.5% 51 MB nemo 0.1% 1.7% 35 MB /usr/bin/python3 0.2% 1.4% 29 MB synapse 2.7% 1.4% 29 MB /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg 0.6% 1% 20 MB lxterminal 0% 0.9% 19 MB rox 1.6% 0.9% 18 MB leafpad 0% 0.7% 15 MB volumeicon 0.4% 0.7% 14 MB clipit 0% 0.6% 12 MB bash 0% 0.6% 12 MB fbxkb 0.2% 0.5% 11 MB icewm 0% 0.5% 10 MB gksu 0% 0.4% 9 MB /usr/bin/slim 0.9% 0.4% 9 MB conky 0% 0.4% 8 MB firejail 0% 0.2% 6 MB /bin/bash 0% 0.2% 6 MB /usr/sbin/cupsd 0% 0.3% 6 MB /usr/bin/dbus-daemon $ free -m total used free shared buff/cache available Mem: 2006 395 1222 49 388 1496 Swap: 4556 0 4556 $ inxi -Sxxx System: Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.9.170-antix.1-486-smp i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 Desktop: IceWM 1.4.2 info: icewmtray dm: SLiM 1.3.4 Distro: antiX-17.4.1_386-full Helen Keller 28 March 2019 base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
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