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  • #20916
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    manyroadsmanyroads

    I hope this a good place for my post… (the original is on the MX forums)

    I have been working with the alpha version of antiX and must say I am impressed. Given where we are in the life-cycle of the product, it is quite stable and usable. But because I’m an old geek, I have been tuning it to see what I can make it do and look like. My initial foray has been with the ‘space-jwm’ version.

    If you want to see what can be done with a light window manager, Debian, and a few hacks/ tweaks, I hope this provides you with a pretty good place to start.

    First let me say, I like the vanilla version. Although to me (a child of the 50-60s) it looks very 70s-ish. Never trust an old guy who wants to modernize, but I have tried adding functions and eye-candy to this tiny platform. Purists will say, I broke it; oh well…

    Here’s what I have done:

    I changed all the Wallpapers (because I like the ones I found of old Windows…btw they are all from http://Pixabay.com ). They seem to fit the look of a WM (windows manager based platform). jwm = Joe’s Window Manager (gotta love the name).
    Next I changed to the startup functions to:

    
    <StartupCommand>
    tint2 &
    plank &
    compton &
    </StartupCommand>

    I, made certain the following packages were installed (I used cli for that).

    
    sudo apt install tint2 plank synapse fonts-roboto fonts-roboto-hinted fonts-roboto-unhinted txt2tags

    — tint2 is a nice panel for tracking tasks etc.
    — plank is nice dock/ launcher (one of my favorites)
    — synapse is a semantic application launcher & more (my favorite)
    — compton is the compositor I elected to use (eye candy remember)
    — roboto fonts were installed because I use them in my conky and on te desktop/ file managers
    — txt2tags is used for a test I am running to see if I like xdgmenumaker (https://github.com/gapan/xdgmenumaker)— Optional

    Note: xdgmenumaker, after some brief use, seems a bit redundant with the standard menu function(s) basically available with antiX 19.

    I left the basic antiX preloaded software in the environment. I tried using LightDM, was not happy with what it broke. I went back to using SLIM, and just changed the background image to match my Desktop images.

    Because I am using SpaceFM, I use it to control the Desktop icons. I use SpaceFM and the antiX Control Center to adjust/ control wallpapers.

    The system seems to idle at around 400-500M (running tint2, jwm, conky, plank-eye-candy dock) and when I add Firefox (4 active tabs) it still runs below 800M. By my standards, that’s pretty good.

    The Desktop and Login image files may be viewed here:
    https://ibb.co/t27mzM7
    https://ibb.co/KmDQZsf
    https://ibb.co/jD67sjc
    https://ibb.co/RvpNbqb

    Pax vobiscum,
    Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
    MX-19 kernel: 5.2.21-antix.1-amd64-smp
    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
    MX- antiX- bspwm, hlwm, xfce4

    #20917
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    Avatarskidoo

    Thanks for the writeup. If you care to post the output shown by
    sudo ps_mem.py
    and/or
    sudo service –status-all | egrep ‘[+?]’
    it will be interesting to know how/what is consuming 400Mb RAM

    note: the above should read “dash dash status dash all”
    but the forum software mangles – – dash dash, changes it to — longdash character

    #20919
    AvatarAnonymous

    Just to make sure if I understood it correct… JVM using 40 ~ 50 MB or 400 ~ 500 MB RAM??? 100+ Tabs in Firefox?

    If you talk about 400 ~ 500 MB RAM than … my Plasma uses less than 400 and Gnome3 on Ubuntu 19.04 uses approx. 550 MB RAM…

    40 ~ 50 MB RAM I can get only under Wheezy.

    #20925
    Member
    manyroadsmanyroads

    @skidoo here you are…

    Private + Shared = RAM used Program

    112.0 KiB + 59.5 KiB = 171.5 KiB sleep
    228.0 KiB + 40.0 KiB = 268.0 KiB gpm
    264.0 KiB + 81.5 KiB = 345.5 KiB cron
    296.0 KiB + 64.5 KiB = 360.5 KiB init
    368.0 KiB + 40.5 KiB = 408.5 KiB acpid
    240.0 KiB + 243.5 KiB = 483.5 KiB bamfdaemon-dbus
    368.0 KiB + 122.5 KiB = 490.5 KiB dbus-launch
    484.0 KiB + 52.0 KiB = 536.0 KiB rpc.idmapd
    364.0 KiB + 252.5 KiB = 616.5 KiB udevil
    476.0 KiB + 167.5 KiB = 643.5 KiB rpcbind
    636.0 KiB + 220.5 KiB = 856.5 KiB devmon
    396.0 KiB + 549.5 KiB = 945.5 KiB avahi-daemon (2)
    744.0 KiB + 333.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB dconf-service
    880.0 KiB + 217.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB rpc.statd
    364.0 KiB + 758.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB saned (2)
    1.0 MiB + 93.0 KiB = 1.1 MiB VBoxService
    812.0 KiB + 471.0 KiB = 1.3 MiB getty (6)
    588.0 KiB + 767.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB desktop-session (2)
    952.0 KiB + 406.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB dbus-daemon (2)
    1.2 MiB + 280.5 KiB = 1.4 MiB sshd
    1.2 MiB + 266.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB sudo
    1.5 MiB + 74.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB elogind-daemon
    1.2 MiB + 383.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB gnome-keyring-daemon
    1.5 MiB + 206.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB connmand
    1.1 MiB + 568.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB compton
    1.6 MiB + 73.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB rsyslogd
    1.1 MiB + 829.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB polkitd
    1.6 MiB + 383.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB bluetoothd
    1.9 MiB + 575.5 KiB = 2.5 MiB console-kit-daemon
    2.3 MiB + 713.0 KiB = 3.0 MiB bash (3)
    2.5 MiB + 537.0 KiB = 3.0 MiB udevd
    2.6 MiB + 546.0 KiB = 3.1 MiB wpa_supplicant
    3.2 MiB + 28.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged
    2.3 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 3.3 MiB cupsd
    3.7 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 4.8 MiB conky
    4.0 MiB + 918.0 KiB = 4.9 MiB slim
    3.8 MiB + 2.5 MiB = 6.3 MiB tint2
    5.5 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 7.1 MiB volumeicon
    7.4 MiB + 3.2 MiB = 10.6 MiB jwm
    13.3 MiB + 3.1 MiB = 16.4 MiB bamfdaemon
    15.6 MiB + 4.6 MiB = 20.1 MiB lxterminal
    18.9 MiB + 10.1 MiB = 28.9 MiB yad
    24.6 MiB + 12.7 MiB = 37.4 MiB plank
    52.0 MiB + 7.9 MiB = 59.9 MiB Xorg
    ———————————
    243.7 MiB
    =================================

    Pax vobiscum,
    Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
    MX-19 kernel: 5.2.21-antix.1-amd64-smp
    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
    MX- antiX- bspwm, hlwm, xfce4

    #20928
    Member
    Avatarskidoo

    Aha, okay. I had asked to see ps_mem output b/c the OP mentioned “The system seems to idle at around 400-500M”

    #20929
    Member
    manyroadsmanyroads

    Yes that number 400-500M came from conky…. your little tool shows it to be significantly lower. I probably need to fix the conky. 😉

    Pax vobiscum,
    Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
    MX-19 kernel: 5.2.21-antix.1-amd64-smp
    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
    MX- antiX- bspwm, hlwm, xfce4

    #20943
    Member
    manyroadsmanyroads

    Hello all.
    I was futzing around with iceWM-Space on antiX19… here are some images. The setup uses xcompmgr and some new theming.

    https://ibb.co/M73xGRp
    https://ibb.co/WyQdSbM

    Pax vobiscum,
    Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
    MX-19 kernel: 5.2.21-antix.1-amd64-smp
    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
    MX- antiX- bspwm, hlwm, xfce4

    #20946
    AvatarAnonymous

    I probably need to fix the conky.

    … or understand how the random access memory management is working and then, everything is fine and you can let it be.

    Please have a look at the example screenshot. Distro doesn’t make a difference for that matter.

    So, how much RAM does it use? 800 MB or 2 GB?

    Simplified, you’ve got a total amount of RAM (32 GB) and used and unused RAM.

    Used RAM is not simply ‘used’ but, one part of it is used and the rest is reserved for future use and, it can be freed at anytime if needed. More total RAM, more reserved space. The effectively used (real) RAM is basically always the same.

    To explain how exactly does this work and what it is good for would make a book or at least a booklet but, for you it only matters to remember that you should never trust (and compare!!) some numbers without knowing what exactly do they mean and that you can leave the Conky ‘in peace’.

    #20950
    Member
    KooKoo

    All using i3 with one terminal open..compton , nitrogen , conkybar , mpd service running.

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    Manyroads

    iceWM-space with four screens open 404mb with a GUI desktop and a composite manager. That pretty good..

    anitX-19 (5.3.14-antix.1-amd64-smp) + (i3) & 2 Laps T430 17.2 X220 17.4
    Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 + (i3)

    #20954
    Member
    KooKoo

    Skidoo

    Whats with browsers why do they use so much memory even qutebrowser uses 304mb

    `┏>>>{Wed May 01 05:54 PM}0:233 4
    ┗>>>koo@debian10 ~ 29 files = 1008K ~ >$sudo ps_mem
    Private + Shared = RAM used Program

    112.0 KiB + 49.5 KiB = 161.5 KiB sleep
    188.0 KiB + 25.5 KiB = 213.5 KiB acpid
    304.0 KiB + 39.5 KiB = 343.5 KiB agetty
    332.0 KiB + 82.5 KiB = 414.5 KiB cron
    380.0 KiB + 71.5 KiB = 451.5 KiB rtkit-daemon
    356.0 KiB + 206.0 KiB = 562.0 KiB sh (4)
    500.0 KiB + 118.5 KiB = 618.5 KiB irqbalance
    712.0 KiB + 18.5 KiB = 730.5 KiB ssh-agent
    244.0 KiB + 576.5 KiB = 820.5 KiB urxvt
    392.0 KiB + 670.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB avahi-daemon (2)
    800.0 KiB + 295.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB at-spi-bus-launcher
    776.0 KiB + 322.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB ibus-portal
    904.0 KiB + 226.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB gconfd-2
    792.0 KiB + 362.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB ibus-engine-simple
    856.0 KiB + 322.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB ibus-dconf
    920.0 KiB + 344.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB at-spi2-registryd
    1.0 MiB + 234.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB sudo
    1.0 MiB + 629.5 KiB = 1.6 MiB systemd-timesyncd
    1.0 MiB + 635.5 KiB = 1.6 MiB alsactl
    1.4 MiB + 290.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB gvfsd
    1.3 MiB + 602.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB systemd-logind
    1.7 MiB + 230.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB exim4
    1.7 MiB + 304.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB ibus-daemon
    1.4 MiB + 697.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB dunst
    2.0 MiB + 166.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB systemd-udevd
    2.2 MiB + 77.5 KiB = 2.3 MiB rsyslogd
    1.9 MiB + 747.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB cupsd
    2.6 MiB + 163.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB wpa_supplicant
    2.5 MiB + 313.5 KiB = 2.8 MiB polkitd
    2.1 MiB + 749.5 KiB = 2.9 MiB dbus-daemon (3)
    2.1 MiB + 963.5 KiB = 3.1 MiB cups-browsed
    2.0 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 3.1 MiB bash (2)
    2.3 MiB + 848.5 KiB = 3.1 MiB transmission-daemon
    3.2 MiB + 25.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged
    2.3 MiB + 904.0 KiB = 3.2 MiB lightdm (2)
    3.0 MiB + 321.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB dhclient
    3.3 MiB + 29.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB mount.ntfs-3g
    3.3 MiB + 602.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB systemd-journald
    2.2 MiB + 2.2 MiB = 4.4 MiB ibus-x11
    4.4 MiB + 459.5 KiB = 4.8 MiB ModemManager
    4.3 MiB + 891.5 KiB = 5.2 MiB colord
    2.8 MiB + 2.5 MiB = 5.2 MiB i3
    5.4 MiB + 229.5 KiB = 5.6 MiB compton
    5.1 MiB + 520.5 KiB = 5.7 MiB udisksd
    5.0 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 6.3 MiB NetworkManager
    4.1 MiB + 2.4 MiB = 6.5 MiB i3bar
    4.3 MiB + 2.5 MiB = 6.7 MiB conky
    4.1 MiB + 4.4 MiB = 8.4 MiB systemd (3)
    9.3 MiB + 2.4 MiB = 11.7 MiB rxvt
    9.1 MiB + 2.9 MiB = 12.0 MiB ibus-extension-gtk3
    10.4 MiB + 3.1 MiB = 13.5 MiB pulseaudio
    13.5 MiB + 4.8 MiB = 18.3 MiB ibus-ui-gtk3
    22.2 MiB + 5.4 MiB = 27.6 MiB mpd
    44.8 MiB + 772.5 KiB = 45.5 MiB Xorg
    ———————————
    255.3 MiB
    =================================

    ┏>>>{Wed May 01 05:53 PM}0:233 3
    ┗>>>koo@debian10 ~ 29 files = 1008K ~ >$sudo ps_mem
    Private + Shared = RAM used Program

    112.0 KiB + 41.5 KiB = 153.5 KiB sleep
    188.0 KiB + 24.5 KiB = 212.5 KiB acpid
    304.0 KiB + 37.5 KiB = 341.5 KiB agetty
    332.0 KiB + 81.5 KiB = 413.5 KiB cron
    380.0 KiB + 68.5 KiB = 448.5 KiB rtkit-daemon
    356.0 KiB + 202.0 KiB = 558.0 KiB sh (4)
    500.0 KiB + 114.5 KiB = 614.5 KiB irqbalance
    712.0 KiB + 18.5 KiB = 730.5 KiB ssh-agent
    244.0 KiB + 568.5 KiB = 812.5 KiB urxvt
    692.0 KiB + 294.5 KiB = 986.5 KiB gconfd-2
    392.0 KiB + 665.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB avahi-daemon (2)
    776.0 KiB + 287.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB ibus-portal
    800.0 KiB + 269.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB at-spi-bus-launcher
    784.0 KiB + 322.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB ibus-engine-simple
    856.0 KiB + 288.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB ibus-dconf
    920.0 KiB + 301.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB at-spi2-registryd
    1.0 MiB + 232.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB sudo
    1.0 MiB + 473.5 KiB = 1.5 MiB alsactl
    1.0 MiB + 620.5 KiB = 1.6 MiB systemd-timesyncd
    1.4 MiB + 266.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB gvfsd
    1.3 MiB + 598.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB systemd-logind
    1.3 MiB + 579.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB dunst
    1.7 MiB + 215.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB exim4
    1.7 MiB + 270.5 KiB = 2.0 MiB ibus-daemon
    2.0 MiB + 164.5 KiB = 2.2 MiB systemd-udevd
    2.2 MiB + 74.5 KiB = 2.3 MiB rsyslogd
    1.9 MiB + 737.5 KiB = 2.6 MiB cupsd
    2.6 MiB + 159.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB wpa_supplicant
    2.4 MiB + 294.5 KiB = 2.7 MiB polkitd
    2.1 MiB + 726.5 KiB = 2.8 MiB dbus-daemon (3)
    2.1 MiB + 938.5 KiB = 3.0 MiB cups-browsed
    2.0 MiB + 1.1 MiB = 3.1 MiB bash (2)
    2.3 MiB + 846.5 KiB = 3.1 MiB transmission-daemon
    2.3 MiB + 870.0 KiB = 3.2 MiB lightdm (2)
    3.2 MiB + 24.5 KiB = 3.2 MiB haveged
    3.0 MiB + 320.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB dhclient
    3.3 MiB + 28.5 KiB = 3.3 MiB mount.ntfs-3g
    2.1 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 3.7 MiB ibus-x11
    3.3 MiB + 598.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB systemd-journald
    2.7 MiB + 1.8 MiB = 4.5 MiB i3
    4.3 MiB + 206.5 KiB = 4.5 MiB compton
    4.4 MiB + 446.5 KiB = 4.8 MiB ModemManager
    4.3 MiB + 829.5 KiB = 5.1 MiB colord
    5.1 MiB + 501.5 KiB = 5.6 MiB udisksd
    4.1 MiB + 1.7 MiB = 5.8 MiB i3bar
    5.0 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 6.3 MiB NetworkManager
    4.3 MiB + 2.2 MiB = 6.5 MiB conky
    4.1 MiB + 4.4 MiB = 8.4 MiB systemd (3)
    8.9 MiB + 2.0 MiB = 10.9 MiB ibus-extension-gtk3
    9.1 MiB + 1.9 MiB = 10.9 MiB rxvt
    10.3 MiB + 2.7 MiB = 13.1 MiB pulseaudio
    11.6 MiB + 3.9 MiB = 15.5 MiB ibus-ui-gtk3
    22.2 MiB + 5.0 MiB = 27.2 MiB mpd
    44.7 MiB + 13.7 MiB = 58.4 MiB Xorg
    449.3 MiB + 178.2 MiB = 627.5 MiB waterfox (2) <<<<280.1 MiB + 24.3 MiB = 304.3 MiB qutebrowser with half the memory usage
    ———————————
    885.8 MiB
    =================================

    anitX-19 (5.3.14-antix.1-amd64-smp) + (i3) & 2 Laps T430 17.2 X220 17.4
    Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2 + (i3)

    #20956
    Member
    manyroadsmanyroads

    @Koo I think there is quite a bandwidth of variability in Browser memory use. Generally Firefox and Chromium (Chrome) lead that parade. I think you might find Midori more resource frugal. Here’s an example study:

    https://www.quora.com/Which-web-browser-consumes-the-least-amount-of-memory

    Pax vobiscum,
    Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
    MX-19 kernel: 5.2.21-antix.1-amd64-smp
    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
    MX- antiX- bspwm, hlwm, xfce4

    #20958
    AvatarAnonymous

    There is also one more thing to it … what websites did you open inside of your web browser? Website != Website …

    There are some Angular websites for example that will unnecessarily (and happily) ‘eat’ your RAM.

    Biggest memory hog is probably the ‘infinite scroll‘ feature (Tumblr, Twitter …).

    You just have to keep scrolling and your PC will crash.

    1, 2, 4, 8 … 32 … 256 GB RAM; it’ll crash.

    #21045
    Member
    oopsoops

    Palemoon is not too bad (with plugin; “Lull the Tabs” here to avoid ; “memory hog is probably the ‘infinite scroll‘ feature”)

    $ ps aux | awk '{mem[$11]+=int($6/1024)}; {cpuper[$11]+=$3};{memper[$11]+=$4}; END {for (i in mem) {print cpuper"% ",memper"% ",mem" MB ",i}}' | sort -k3nr | head -n 20
    71.4%  18.8%  377 MB  palemoon
    4.6%  2.5%  51 MB  nemo
    0.1%  1.7%  35 MB  /usr/bin/python3
    0.2%  1.4%  29 MB  synapse
    2.7%  1.4%  29 MB  /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg
    0.6%  1%  20 MB  lxterminal
    0%  0.9%  19 MB  rox
    1.6%  0.9%  18 MB  leafpad
    0%  0.7%  15 MB  volumeicon
    0.4%  0.7%  14 MB  clipit
    0%  0.6%  12 MB  bash
    0%  0.6%  12 MB  fbxkb
    0.2%  0.5%  11 MB  icewm
    0%  0.5%  10 MB  gksu
    0%  0.4%  9 MB  /usr/bin/slim
    0.9%  0.4%  9 MB  conky
    0%  0.4%  8 MB  firejail
    0%  0.2%  6 MB  /bin/bash
    0%  0.2%  6 MB  /usr/sbin/cupsd
    0%  0.3%  6 MB  /usr/bin/dbus-daemon
    
    $ free -m
                  total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
    Mem:           2006         395        1222          49         388        1496
    Swap:          4556           0        4556
    
    $ inxi -Sxxx
    System:    Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.9.170-antix.1-486-smp i686 bits: 32 compiler: gcc v: 6.3.0 
               Desktop: IceWM 1.4.2 info: icewmtray dm: SLiM 1.3.4 
               Distro: antiX-17.4.1_386-full Helen Keller 28 March 2019 
               base: Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch) 
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