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Stumbled across an AntiX LXDE video recently where the Guy fires up HTop live where the used RAM shows 79.6MiB out of 1G.
If we subtract the 3.1 used by HTop we get 76.5MiB RAM used – Wow..!I have no reason at all to doubt the authenticity of the video or the results displayed by HTop. Could our admin’s video creator say if video looks to be altered or if admin can confirm that such efficiency is technically possible?
As I cannot understand a word he is saying could I ask @marcelocripe to give us the gist of his video speech – thank you.
BTW how much to buy an old 2-3G Hp Nvidea Laptop out your way?His video channel has 20,000 subscribers and promotes AntiX so presume Mods and Admin have been aware of it for years?
Below is a screenshot captured when I paused the video…
Cheers
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crayphish
Is he using a VM? I did a test install of antiX in VirtualBox on my PC before installing it on my laptop and htop showed the VM using about 25 or 30MB less than what the bare metal install ended up using.
Hi Crayphish – did not reply yesterday to give you chance to settle in 🙂
Is he using a VM?
Yes – I think so – his figures and ours would suggest this even though I have DE. I never use VMs as my wife and I are using this old laptop for everyday use: web mail, banking, utilities, Gimp, LO Writer etc etc. I like something fast and snappy but both of us need 100% stability – AntiX-22 Full LXDE delivers in full 🙂 Ironically LXDE is NOT fully supported and NEVER will be. So I am slightly shackled with my tweaks and keyboard shortcuts etc – but Ah; the speed… 🙂 My other better spec laptop, an old Dell E6420 i7 8G ZorinOS has not been used since installing AntiX-22 Full LXDE.
Hope you enjoy the video…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWQspOrfHkk
Makes me wonder why others struggle so…?
Could we ask @marcelocripe or some kind person to give us the gist of his video speech – thank you.
crayphish
I couldn’t understand a word he was saying either hahaha! So I used the downsub.com sit to machine translate YouTube’s auto-generated Spanish subtitles. The .srt file is attached to this comment and is pretty understandable. The video driver in a VM probably offloads most of it’s work to the host system’s driver saving a lot of memory.
One trick I discovered recently for saving a small amount of RAM is to use the MirBSD Korn Shell(mksh) as a shell. It’s also noticeably faster than bash/zsh.I couldn’t understand a word he was saying either hahaha! So I used the downsub.com sit to machine translate YouTube’s auto-generated Spanish subtitles. The .srt file is attached to this comment and is pretty understandable.
Hey Crayphish that is exceedingly kind of you – spoon-feeding that translation file – I did not know that it could be done. Still learning at 72 – thank you 🙂
If that was not enough you then proceed with more useful information – so kind – thanks.Had to give OpenBox that you use a try but soon found that I was lost without a DE desktop or even a panel – Oh Dear…
Was hoping to tweak LXDE desktop and its OpenBox right click menus, keyboard shorts etc. via a back door..! Ooops 🙂 as LXDE is not supported here.crayphish
No problem Andy! My dad is 85 and is a LinuxMint user so you’re young by comparison.
The main reason I use Openbox is that I have it configured with vim-like keyboard shortcuts. In its bare state it needs some sort of launcher such as rofi & probably a panel to make it more usable.
Did some experimenting with a live usb on computer and in a virtual machine and there was an 81MB difference in their ram usage. That explains the Youtuber unbelievable results.No problem Andy! My dad is 85 and is a LinuxMint user so you’re young by comparison.
A Spring Chicken 🙂 My regards and best wishes for Xmas to you and Crayphish senior
In its bare state it needs some sort of launcher such as rofi & probably a panel to make it more usable.
No wonder I was struggling – after minimizing a window did not know how to get it back – restore?
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Brian Masinick
Another commonality is that Openbox is one of the window managers used in LXDE implementations. Icewm and Fluxbox are two other options and JWM may be used too but I think the default is Openbox.
Anyway that’s a digression. Thanks for collaborating; I’m glad it’s working out!
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Brian MasinickThanks for that.
Not too sure that I know exactly – but is what I know as the LXDE environment just openbox with a panel that also is a launcher?
Is that why it is just so fast or is that too simple? 🙂 As demonstrated by myself and Locos por Linux..?
https://imgur.com/a/pImTXcK
Showing how my set-up can play three web videos at the same time 🙂 Yet other members seem to struggle playing just one whilst recording..!I don’t really need the panel at all as I can and do use the right click menu 🙂
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crayphish
I was struggling – after minimizing a window did not know how to get it back
Alt-Tab will cycle through any windows that have been opened.
My regards and best wishes for Xmas to you and Crayphish senior
Thank you and a Merry Christmas to you & Mrs. Andy from the entire Crayphish family!
olsztyn
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Thanks for that.
Not too sure that I know exactly – but is what I know as the LXDE environment just openbox with a panel that also is a launcher?
Is that why it is just so fast or is that too simple?[/quote
End quote.Although LXDE never before (still true) attracted my interest, the above tests from Andy (Andy showing now under new username as ‘banned’) and on the heels of Ge Chin Pun antiX All-In-1 show, caused me to experiment hands-on and see for myself:
Starting from Full antiX 22 SID Runit as baseline I installed Openbox + LXpanel and made it as the Fifth desktop in my antiX. Played a lot with configuration of look-and-feel and making it seamlessly integrated.
Although my nicely configured JWM is still my default for ultimate efficiency and logical design, the new LX desktop of antiX gained a lot in my eyes:– First and foremost it is systemd/elogind – free. Perfectly suiting antiX 22 and beyond. This was my primary requirement, as I am a big fan of systemd/elogind – free architecture.
– Very mature, aesthetic look-and-feel, well integrated and uniform. Not a collection of separate tweaks.
– ZZZ is the file manager, not PCmanfm. No duplication.
– Highly configurable.
– Appears to be rock-solid in stability and reliability. Testing continues…
– Integrates well into antiX architecture (Other Desktops switch, etc.)This is just my initial impression…
- This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by olsztyn.
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
anticapitalista
PCmanfm is a dependncy of lxde and cannot be removed.
The lxde exit menu does not show all options such as reboot, halt since it needs …. elogind (not just libelogind0).Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
PCmanfm is a dependncy of lxde and cannot be removed.
The lxde exit menu does not show all options such as reboot, halt since it needYes. I did not install LXDE. I installed just Openbox and LXpanel. In effect it is LX of LXDE but no PCmanfm or other LXDE fluff. In result it is libelogind0-free and elogind-free as well.
The lxde exit menu does not show all options such as reboot, halt since it needs …. elogind (not just libelogind0).
Understood. LX WM is to use standard desktop-session-exit for this. Logout module is specified in LXpanel gui configuration. Therefore no need for elogind or libelogind0 requirement.
The resulting LX WM desktop (Openbox + Lxpanel) looks and operates just like LXDE desktop but it is using antiX standard infrastructure, no LXDE caboodle. It also resolved my wanting to get rid of PCmanfm, since no such stuff is installed in the first place. zzzFM is default FMI am still testing but there seem to be clear advantages to IceWM. Toolbar app launcher and panel configuration is included with LXpanel config gui. No need for a custom IceWM toolbar configuration app. No app duplicates there…
Memory footprint appears to be slightly larger than IceWM in my setting. It appears to be about 10M larger, but I have not done exact apple to apple comparison yet. Small enough though.
Update: Memory footprint seems less than originally reported and it looks more like 5-10M with the same setting.My JWM is still my primary, but this LX WM seems gaining quickly to fit my second choice…
I am not suggesting anything, just reporting surprising to me findings…- This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by olsztyn.
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Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersBobC
olsztyn, I’ve seen openbox implemented with tint2 and also with lxpanel, like in LXDE. Its been quite a while an I don’t recall the details. My question is related to skippy-xd as well, Of note, PPC used tint2 for the panel in his FT10 transformation package. What are the advantages and disadvantages of lxpanel vs tint2?
PS: In particular, a feature tint2 has that I like is the miniature preview window that gets displayed when you hover over a running program’s taskbar button. I’m wondering if lxpanel has that feature, too?
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olsztyn, I’ve seen openbox implemented with tint2 and also with lxpanel, like in LXDE. Its been quite a while an I don’t recall the details. My question is related to skippy-xd as well, Of note, PPC used tint2 for the panel in his FT10 transformation package. What are the advantages and disadvantages of lxpanel vs tint2?
Hi BobC and Happy New Year to you and all antiX party!
I am not an expert in any of these components to answer authoritatively. As much as I know from my testing experience:
– You can install Tint2 on top of LXpanel/Openbox. It will provide additional features as you are familiar with. So they are not mutually exclusive.
– LXpanel has many configurations/customization features built-in, so it is up to individual liking what to customize with native configuration gui.
– antiX had already adopted some of LXDE components, such as LXappearance, to customize antiX Look and Feel.I disliked full DEs, be it Gnome or XFCE, because they force on you the entire caboodle with their own set of desktop and tools, not modular at all.
Assuming LXDE was one of those ‘Full DEs’ that force on you the entire caboodle of desktop infrastructure I never previously looked at LXDE in any depth, until Ge Chin Pun and Andy (the ‘banned’ username) brought attention to efficiency of LXDE, which appeared to be matching IceWM, according to some measurements.
As LXDE description claimed it to be also modular, my goal was to test and see if it can be integrated seamlessly into antiX, considering primary requirement that such integration must be according to antiX strategy of being systemd-free and elogind-free.
In fact such integration of Openbbox + LXpanel into antiX is actually very easy and in effect the LX WM (I hate to call it a DE) seems to fit nicely into antiX architecture:
– It is systemd/elogind-free with desktop-session-exit logout module specified in LXpanel config gui.
– Works as the Fifth desktop, switched through ‘Other Desktops’ or F1 on Slimski login, or booting as default.As mentioned before LX appears to be very solid and consistent. Although my primary desktop is still JWM (nicely customized), LX seems to take my second spot for solid architecture, usability and aesthetics, particularly that it seems very efficient as well.
- This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by olsztyn.
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
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