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a la Alan Ladd, Shane.
“We want you skidoo.
you’re hurt.He’d never been able to shoot you if you had seen him.
He’d never even have cleared the holster, would he skidoo?
skidoo.
skidoo. come back. ”
anticapitalista
fungalnet – My sid install(s) are not broken, unlike yours because I READ the output of apt-get dist-upgrade before hitting Y. You didn’t and you now see the mess.
When policykit-1 got upgraded by Debian, I saw in the terminal that it would remove lots of stuff, so guess what I did? I said No.
Within 24 hours, I had built and uploaded a nosystemd version to the repos. By the time that appeared, Debian had released another policykit-1 upgrade.
Within 24 hours, antiX had a nosystemd version of that in the repos. This time, my apt-get dist-upgrade showed that nothing would be removed, so I pressed the Y button.I have no idea if lxde components have systemd infection. If it has, then point me to the problem and I’ll see if I can build nosystemd versions (like I do for some parts of MATE).
The ‘lesson to learn’ IMHO is that anyone who wants to use sid should ALWAYS use dist-upgrade in a terminal and READ the output before deciding to press Y or N.
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Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
fungalnet
I always use the terminal, just this time I logged in as root on console to do something before I go to desktop. It was my mistake as in console I can barely read things with a magnifying glass, so I typed y to a gray blur. My mistake. My mistake was also not putting it all here and doing it on a pm and you pretending like you never heard it before.
When you had said wait, a fix was coming, and an other fix was recoming, in the meantime I tried to go back to cache and revert some of what was new. If you remember I had also told you at some point that the antix repository was unreachable. While reverting something with dpkg from cache some consolekit related dependency found this experimental consolekit and dragged its associate libck-connector0.Now I haven’t checked how the repository priority is set in antix, remember I am relatively new to antix, but I was under the impression that anything antix would supersede anything from other repositories even if they have a higher version number. So I am not clear why would something foreign crawl in and replace something antix, unless it was explicitly told to do so, which didn’t happen, or if the antix consolekit wasn’t there. Neither did I know that debian had decided to make consolekit history.
I was under the assumption that doing apt upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade is dangerous with more than one source open. So I have not been doing this.Now, on your decision of y/n on dist-upgrade, this is sid we are talking about. They always wipe stuff off and try something else, and the next day they bring back what the wiped off the day before. It is the nature of the beast.
SORRY we are not all developers working on debian pkgs to decide by looks that something is wrong and say this doesn’t look right. Yeah, it looked weird to me to have to remove xinit, if it was there why would it be unnecessary now? But I trusted dist-upgrade and did remove it, and everything is ok. Can I explain why? No, I’ve given up.
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anti-X - Adélie - obarun - systemd Free Space
anticapitalista
Because I haven’t had a problem with sid and I have been running it on this desktop since 2012. There is no oil and no fire from me.
In the pms I told you not to upgrade until a nosystemd version of policykit-1 was in the repos, but you had already upgraded and tried to fix your install by breaking it more. I then told you again to wait again the second nosystemd policykit-1 debs arrive as it might fix it, but the damage had already been done by your ‘fixes’ eg installing from experimental.If you really do not understand sid, then, simply put, don’t use it.
If you are ‘happy’ to learn even if it breaks your install, fine – just don’t blame anyone but yourself if it does break.
As Debian says ‘if it breaks you get to pick up the pieces’You and skidoo can sort out your disagreement among yourselves, or ignore each other – I don’t care. I’m not a policeman.
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
fungalnet
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anticapitalista
FWIW – My sid box, install lxde
agu Get:1 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable InRelease [241 kB] Hit:2 http://antix.daveserver.info/sid sid InRelease Get:3 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main Sources.diff/Index [27.9 kB] Get:4 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/contrib Sources.diff/Index [27.8 kB] Get:5 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages.diff/Index [27.9 kB] Get:6 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Packages.diff/Index [27.9 kB] Get:7 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main Translation-en.diff/Index [27.9 kB] Get:8 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Contents (deb).diff/Index [28.0 kB] Get:9 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Contents (deb).diff/Index [28.0 kB] Get:10 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main Sources 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [5,033 B] Get:10 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main Sources 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [5,033 B] Get:11 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/contrib Sources 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [31 B] Get:11 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/contrib Sources 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [31 B] Get:12 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [3,264 B] Get:12 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Packages 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [3,264 B] Get:13 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Packages 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [2,098 B] Get:13 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Packages 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [2,098 B] Get:14 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main Translation-en 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [720 B] Get:14 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main Translation-en 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [720 B] Get:15 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Contents (deb) 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [2,111 B] Get:15 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main i386 Contents (deb) 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [2,111 B] Get:16 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Contents (deb) 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [2,331 B] Get:16 http://ftp.gr.debian.org/debian unstable/main amd64 Contents (deb) 2018-03-31-0821.31.pdiff [2,331 B] Fetched 452 kB in 37s (12.2 kB/s) Reading package lists... Done root@antix1:/home/anticap# apt-get install lxde Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: galculator gpicview laptop-detect libfm-data libfm-extra4 libfm-gtk-data libfm-gtk4 libfm-modules libfm4 libkeybinder0 libmenu-cache-bin libmenu-cache3 libobrender32v5 libobt2v5 libunique-1.0-0 lxappearance-obconf lxde-common lxde-core lxde-icon-theme lxhotkey-core lxhotkey-gtk lxinput lxpanel lxpanel-data lxrandr lxsession lxsession-data lxsession-edit lxsession-logout openbox openbox-lxde-session pcmanfm Suggested packages: libfm-tools nautilus-actions gimp libreoffice lxlauncher lxtask pidgin pk-update-icon xfce4-power-manager tint2 openbox-gnome-session openbox-kde-session Recommended packages: clipit deluge | transmission-gtk gnome-disk-utility smplayer | vlc | mplayer-gui gnome-system-tools gucharmap lxmusic | audacious lxpolkit usermode wicd | network-manager-gnome lxtask gnome-screenshot lxlock xscreensaver lxhotkey-plugin-openbox lxhotkey-data pavucontrol | gnome-alsamixer obconf obsession openbox-menu gvfs-fuse The following NEW packages will be installed: galculator gpicview laptop-detect libfm-data libfm-extra4 libfm-gtk-data libfm-gtk4 libfm-modules libfm4 libkeybinder0 libmenu-cache-bin libmenu-cache3 libobrender32v5 libobt2v5 libunique-1.0-0 lxappearance-obconf lxde lxde-common lxde-core lxde-icon-theme lxhotkey-core lxhotkey-gtk lxinput lxpanel lxpanel-data lxrandr lxsession lxsession-data lxsession-edit lxsession-logout openbox openbox-lxde-session pcmanfm 0 upgraded, 33 newly installed, 0 to remove and 44 not upgraded. Need to get 8,789 kB of archives. After this operation, 26.1 MB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n]No systemd or libsystemd0. Nothing breaks.
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
fungalnet
That is what I said above too, but lxsession depends on consolekit. I didn’t check then and took it for granted that it was deprecated in sid, but it exists in sid, or now it does, it is buster that doesn’t seem to have consolekit.
https://packages.debian.org/sid/consolekit
https://packages.debian.org/sid/lxsessionand there comes that ck-connector link as well.
Now here is some arch by comparison
‘Name : lxsession
Version : 1:0.5.3-1
Description : Lightweight X11 session manager
Architecture : x86_64
URL : http://lxde.org/
Licenses : GPL2
Groups : lxde
Provides : None
Depends On : gtk2 polkit
Optional Deps : None
Required By : None
Optional For : None
Conflicts With : lxpolkit
Replaces : lxpolkit
Installed Size : 1319.00 KiB
Packager : Balló György <ballogyor+arch@gmail.com>
Build Date : Sun 22 Jan 2017 02:12:08 AM EET
Install Date : Thu 22 Mar 2018 07:01:40 PM EET
Install Reason : Explicitly installed
Install Script : No
Validated By : Signature
‘Although it would takr a little more research than I can do now, I have a feeling this is all related to vanishing gksu (from buster) they have an earlier version on sid than in stretch, and they are trying to get pkexec to work through alternative dependencies so they can penetrate LXDE eventually as well, and practically any desktop.
Watch for more fastballs of libpolkit in experimental.OK, hardcore linux types will not use synaptic even for browsing through pkgs, but how many don’t use gparted. Sudo gparted works but that is not what is on the menu, it is gparted.pkexec … yes you can do all that gparted does with terminal commands fdisk … but let’s be serious, we all use it.
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anti-X - Adélie - obarun - systemd Free Space
anticapitalista
I’m adding consolekit, libck-connector0, gksu, libgksu2, libgksu2-dev to antiX testing and sid repos
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
fungalnet
no
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anti-X - Adélie - obarun - systemd Free Space
anticapitalista
re-install – it seems you broke it beyond repair. All we can do is guess fixes.
- This reply was modified 5 years, 1 month ago by anticapitalista.
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
fungalnet
I just converted a siduction-lxde installation to antix and antix 4.18 kernel, everything went well.
Only problem I’ve had is gksu is not installable. Is this a problem you are aware of? I think it is a gksu library version conflict.anti-X - Adélie - obarun - systemd Free Space
anticapitalista
Can you post the exact output – it will help.
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
fungalnet
I looked at my normal antix sid installation and I get this:
root@antix1:~# apt-get install gsku Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package gsku root@antix1:~# apt search gksu Sorting... Done Full Text Search... Done gksu/sid 2.0.2-9+b1 amd64 graphical front-end to su and sudo libgksu2-0/sid 2.0.13~pre1-9+b1 amd64 library providing su and sudo functionality libgksu2-dev/sid 2.0.13~pre1-9+b1 amd64 library providing su and sudo functionality (development files)and on the siduction transform I get this:
# apt-get install gksu The following packages have unmet dependencies: gksu : Depends: libgksu2-0 (>= 2.0.8) but it is not going to be installed root@antix1:/# apt search gksu Sorting... Done Full Text Search... Done desktop-defaults-common/unknown,unknown 1.5.6 all common user presets for various popular desktop applications gksu/sid 2.0.2-9+b1 amd64 graphical front-end to su and sudo libgksu2-0/sid 2.0.13~pre1-9+b1 amd64 library providing su and sudo functionality libgksu2-dev/sid 2.0.13~pre1-9+b1 amd64 library providing su and sudo functionality (development files)anti-X - Adélie - obarun - systemd Free Space
fungalnet
Sorry I get the same error on both, my mistake for trying gsku instead of gksu 🙂
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