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point #3
please see screenshot attached (shot 10)In order to change the characters format, I arrive to the menu that you see in the shot, then I change something and I press “OK” ==> then the changes take place but the window don’t close. In order to close the window where I changed the format I can only press the “x” in the upper right corner of the window.
point #4
pls see as attached (shot 11)when I do “FT10 – deactivate and get back to original antix”: I go back to a fluxbox ambience,BUT if I right click with the mouse in the desktop, I don’t get the fluxbox menu, instead I get the same menu that you have whe you right click on a folder. For that reason I couldn’t provide a shot: I don’t have the menu!
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Sorry I don’t know how to handle text and photos together: the 2 photos are inverted: the 1st ore is to point 4, while the 2nd one to point 3. Sorry for the inconvenience- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by madibi.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by madibi.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by madibi.
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@madibi – many thanks for the details and pictures.
point #3
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In order to change the characters format, I arrive to the menu that you see in the shot, then I change something and I press “enter” ==> then nothing happens. In order to close the window where I changed the format I can only press the “x” in the upper right corner of the window.The “enter” key does nothing in this particular menu. Only the buttons work – press “Ok” to apply the selected values or the “X” button on the left of “Ok” or the “X” window button to close that window…
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when I do “FT10 – deactivate and get back to original antix”: I go back to a fluxbox ambience,BUT if I right click with the mouse in the desktop, I don’t get the fluxbox menu, instead I get the same menu that you have when you right click on a folder.Hum… I understand that you mean, but I can’t reproduce the error. This may be a side effect of the script that configures zzzfm, I see you are using fluxbox managed by zzzfm (I don’t use window icons managed so I haven’t tested recent FT10 changes in that circumstance).
I’ll try to reproduce that problem and solve it (probably restoring zzzfm settings to their original version when the script is restoring the window manager settings to their pre FT10 state).Right now, the work around that problem is this- before disabling FT10 try this: ZZZfm > View > Preferences > Tab nº 3 > Make sure that “Right click opens Main Menu” (I’m translating this option, it may be slightly different) is checked…
Test if right clicking an empty space in the desktop summons the fluxbox rootmenu. If so, then try to disable FT10 and see if right clicking the desktop still summons the main menu…P.
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by PPC.
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Point 4
Right now, the work around that problem is this- before disabling FT10 try this: ZZZfm > View > Preferences > Tab nº 3 > Make sure that “Right click opens Main Menu” (I’m translating this option, it may be slightly different) is checked…
Test if right clicking an empty space in the desktop summons the fluxbox rootmenu. If so, then try to disable FT10 and see if right clicking the desktop still summons the main menu…it works
SOLVED 🙂
point 3
ok
(en passant I corrected my point 3: instead “pressing Enter” I changed to : “right click on OK”. In any case I understood that this is not an issue
m- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by madibi.
@madibi – I created a new .deb package that includes just one change, that I expect solves the right click to access the menu problem that you reported. It’s available here: https://gitlab.com/antix-contribs/ft10-transformation/-/raw/main/packages/ft10-transformation_1.4.b61_all.deb
When (and if) you can, please test it an see if that solves the problem,… Thanks in advanceP.
I’ve just tried:
point 4: SOLVED
point 1: when I increase the size of the characters, the bar still overlaps to the right. This means that the left fart of the tiles is as per enclosed shotm
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@madibi – many thanks for testing my change so quickly.
On the miss-configuration of the menu when using very large fonts. Theoretically there is a way around that – to change the menu settings according to the font size – but that’s near impossible to implement because that would be different for each font type, each font subset and each font size- it would be probably easier to create a menu program from scratch 🙁 .
So consider it a limitation of how much you can configure FT10, particularly if using the tiled menu. I’ll probably implement a warning on the Font’s window that large font sizes can mess up the toolbar/menu configuration, and also remind users that the default font for the toolbar/menu is Ubuntu Ubuntu light 12 (up to size 14 should work perfectly with the menus).
Editing the size of the font on the CPU/RAM indicator or the Clock/date can also result in miss-configuration…
Like I said, I only added the “change font size” option so users can better adapt FT10 to very high resolution screens.
Most users have no need at all to edit the font settings and should not do it.P.
Edit: I just noticed that FT10 is following the opposite trend to Microsoft – in the latest version of their OS you can’t even adjust the size of the toolbar without hacking register values… On FT10, there is almost no single detail of the toolbar that can’t be edited – size, position, auto-hide, colour, fonts, clock format, “pseudo system tray” icons… All with a single click – any grandmother can do it 🙂
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by PPC.
Hi everyone – FT10 is almost in the 1.4 final version- a new beta is out: https://gitlab.com/antix-contribs/ft10-transformation/-/raw/main/packages/ft10-transformation_1.4.b7_all.deb
Changes:
-A warning was added to the “Change font” window, about the risk of messing up the menu and the toolbar, also, indicates a nice default font (so users can fix any miss-configuration).
-changes in the “Enable FT10” window (allows users to install kronometer and krename) – because the defaul cli stopwatch included in FT10 is sub par and antiX lacks a GUI tool to batch rename files.
-small change in toolbar tooltips (added tooltip to the Clock)If no bugs are found in this version, I’ll send the current localization files to Marcelo and Madibi (to touch up the pt-br and it localizations)
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- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by PPC.
After a very short test I can say:
Antix 21, fluxbox, in order to install the FT10 ver. 1.4.b7, I did a purge and then an install of the new release
I tested all the menus except kronometer and krename (for various reasons) and all what I tested was fine.
All the Italian translations are fine except in the menu “posizione della barra”, where the localizations of “bottom” and “right” are messed up from the translator (the correct voices are respectively “basso” e “destra” – mas o menos las mismas que en espanol).
I installed all the options and the mem usage on my pc increased about 8 Mb (from 180 to 188).
There is an annoying little issue that I still encounter in antix after late 19 and now in 21. This is a problem of antix and not of FT10. I highlight it here because FT10’s target are newbies, hopefully from win.
When I click on antix help in the upper left corner, it opens dillo that points to the address /usr/share/antix/FAQ/index.html. That page is white (pls. see shot). If I click on any link in the right (e.g. Rox), it does nothing and the page remains white. In order to open the help, I should open the above mentioned address with firefox. In this way I can surf on all the FAQ pages.
I’m not an expert, but I don’t discourage to the very 1st difficulty. Par contre I can imagine the frustration of a newbie that cannot neither arrive to open the help page 🙁 .Of course I hope that what above should be seen as a try to simplify the life of the new users and not as a sterile criticism.
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re – FAQ and dillo – You need to scroll down
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
@madibi – anticapitalista answered before I could do it – there is no problem at all with the off-line help page/FAQ – it’s a problem with Dillo, that can’t render the webpage correctly, so first it draws the side menu and then, after the menu, it draws the main contents of the page.
In case you are wondering why antix uses Dillo and not the default web browser – from previous posts from the dev team, I learned that’s because extremely old/low specs computers can open the html file in Firefox-esr or any other “modern” browser- hence the help page open in a browser that, despite not rendering the pages 100% correctly, does display the images that may help out people that want to learn their way around antiX.
I suggested, in the past, converting the html help files to a single pdf – way easier to search, but the problem still remains – very low specs computers (or computers without X running) can’t open pdf files and display images…
Don’t worry about that detail – probably you were the only person that clicked the help/faq icon since last year – (almost) no one reads help files/manualsI’ll try to fix the localization mistakes you pointed out
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- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by PPC.
@madibi – I just corrected the 2 translation mistakes you pointed out (the fix will be included in the next version). If you find any more localization errors, please, do point them out to me (and tell me the correct expressions).
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@anticapitalista re-faq and dillo- thanks 🙂 !
@PPC re-faq and dillo- thanks!
Yes, you are right, I never go to the FAQ. The few times I search for it, in the latest times that was not an issue for me, because I used FFox.
In any case I argue that that doesn’t move my report one iota. FT10 is addressed toany grandmother can do it 🙂
so my fault in searching for the FAQ may be a trap for some other people not so much skilled (my statement is only marketing, not tech/programming).
Moreover Antix faq are very well organized and they are a splendid self-introduction in a world that is however perceived as more difficult than the previous one. If the pitfall is searching for the faq, hmmm we don’t start off on the right foot. 🙂
I think that what above doesn’t apply to “pure-antix”, because it is thought without the “bells and whistles”. And is very, very good as is.So, my proposal may be, in the very 1st window of the installation of ft10 a question like the following: “has your pc more than xxx?” In that case press 1. And pressing 1, the FAQ will be opened by the default browser (FFox , or whatever). In the other case press 2, and you let things as are, with dillo.
Of course this is only a reflection of mine, not a request.
Italian translations
This morning I verified all the menus for both the FT10’s menu layout – there is only one slight difference.
I have three doubts for which I have already activated the Telegram group.
The word/phrases to be translated may be or less than 20 or more than 90. I have to double check one specific question, then I’ll let you know.Thank for your work
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by madibi.
@madibi – I understand your concern about the help/faq – but, I try to make it so FT10 makes as little changes to the system as possible- and changing the way the faq is opned (although easy) is something I don’t want to do… As far as I know you are the only user that reported problems viewing the faq, because you failed to notice that you need to scroll down to read more text (a nice tip is always looking at the slide bar on the right of the browser window, that indicates that there is a lot of text on the page).
If someone here knows about html, please do try to redo the faq web page, so it renders better in simple html (no css or html5)- I bet that would make anticapitalista happy…P.
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Italian translations
In the Italian menu, the voices with FT are:
1. FT10 – attivare la barra o scegliere il tipo di menu
2. FT10 – Disattivare
3. FT10 – Gestire i segnalibri del menu
4. FT10 – Gestire la barra degli strumentiIn the following text the above numbers 1, 2, 3 and 4,will be “the trunk” of a “tree structure”.
Of course the voice after the arrow, are the proposed translations.1. in the frame: “menus” → “menu”
1.1.7 “auto-updates” → “Aggiornamenti Automatici”2. all is OK
3.2 “AGGIUNGI ICONA” → “AGGIUNGERE ICONA” (only to be consistent with the others menus)
PLEASE NOTE: this is the point where I asked info to the translators group. Here the menu points to antix’ menu “seleziona app”. They explained me that all the voices that here are in English were already translated 100% to Italian, wayting to be inserted in the .desktop files. So, at the moment I prefer not re-do those translations, waiting for indications on how to proceed.3.3 “Mover” → “Muovere”
3.5 This menu exists only after having selected the “tiles menu” in point 1.
“Tiles do menu” → “menu a Piastrelle”
Our opinion is that this doesn’t describe what it does. May be better “menu a piastrelle on-off” ? (the same may apply to portuguese).4.1.1 see the note at 3.2
4.1.3 “web browser” ->; “Navigatore Web”
“searchmonkey” → “ricerca con searchmonkey” (I prefer to add cerca(=search),to better describe the function. Other menus has only “searchmonkey”)
“Package installer” → “Installa Programmi”
“antiX Updater” → “antiX Aggiornamenti”
“Weather” → “Meteo”
4.2 corrections already done, in any case: alto, basso, sinistra, destra (or superiore, inferiore, sinistra, destra)
4.7 “FT10 Colors” → “Colori FT10”
4.9 “Exibir CPU, RAM” → “Mostra CPU, RAM”m
- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by madibi.
Many thanks for the detailed work- I may need help, over the weekend, trying to find where those string are, so I can correct them. But here are some explanations about some of your suggestions:
1.1.7- I have to alter the script that configures FT10 to implement this, because it tries to see if the text saying “auto-updates” has a checkbox or not… If do I change this section, probably it will say “auto-updates” then the localized description that you suggested…
3.5- You are not a Windows user so you probably don’t know that “Tiles” is used, even in italian to refer to that part of the menu (see one of many examples here: https://www.navigaweb.net/2021/07/differenze-tra-windows-10-e-windows-11.html)
4.1.3 -This point worried me- “web browser” “searchmonkey” “Package installer” “antiX Updater” and “Weather” are the names of the applications on the quick launcher section of the toolbar, as they exist in the respective .desktop files, (in english and) in languages supported in the .desktop file. I just checked and it my own computers the respective entries are localized to pt (except the “searchmonkey” one, that’s just the name of the application). tint2 (the toolbar application FT10 uses) should automatically display the names of quick launch icons in the system’s language- something is not working correctly here- and I think it’s not something FT10 does- but a problem with tint2 toolbar in Italian…
EDIT: Just in case I didn’t get what you meant – is the names of the applications come up in English only in the Window to remove/move apps, and they appear in English in the toolbar – don’t worry – it’s a limitation of the current version of the script I wrote to manage toolbar icons – that displays the “name” field of the desktop files of the icons on the toolbar, and not the “name[language]” field (and this is the localized application name) – I’ll try to solve that problem in the script, but no promisses…Please try this – left click the +/- icon and add a new “Meteo” icon to the toolbar – check if the new icon is localized in italian (it’s tooltip should read “Meteo”, not “Weather”)
4.7 “FT10 Colors” – to simplify I opted not to localize the name of this particular window (and a few more like similar ones). I’ll probably reduce the name to just “FT10”, so no localization is needed…
4.9 “Exibir CPU, RAM” → “Mostra CPU, RAM” – I’ll correct this one, I forgot to localize it, it’s still in pt 🙁- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by PPC.
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