Antix vs Devuan

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What is the difference between Antix vs Devian ?

• This topic was modified 6 months ago by Brian Masinick. Reason: SPELLING?

[Member sybok]

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Hi, you may also read the description of both Linux distribution that avoid ‘systemd’ init.
I believe the question was also asked on the forum already.
I use Devuan occasionally hence my knowledge is limited to an earlier installation (kept up-to-date via upgrades/updates).

Devuan:
1) fork of Debian, has its own exclusive repositories
2) mid-weight distribution (XFCE is default desktop environment)

antiX:
1) shares some repositories with Debian (which means less work and infrastructure is needed), ‘systemd’ kept out using apt-pinning.
2) strives for minimalism in resource usage which implies lighter desktop environments (fluxbox, IceWM, JWM etc.)
3) great live[-USB] tools

[Member techore]

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@amg, you have “Devian.” Were you speaking to Debian or Devuan or something else?

sybok’s brief descriptions of Devuan and antiX are spot on. If you are looking for a systemd free operating system, both work. I found myself using antiX as a result of experimenting and loving MX Linux, its sister distribution. However, MX Linux didn’t have a minimal installation without desktop environments and its user respins had issues (for me). What kept me on antiX was sybok’s item 3, the amazing live[-USB] tools, snapshots, etc.

antiX is a small but helpful community. Welcome!

[Member olsztyn]

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techore wrote:

However, MX Linux didn’t have a minimal installation without desktop environments

MX does have one now. It is MX Fluxbox. Very nice. Well done…

Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

[Member iznit]

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I found myself using antiX as a result of experimenting and loving MX Linux, its sister distribution. However, MX Linux didn’t have a minimal installation without desktop environments and its user respins had issues (for me). What kept me on antiX was sybok’s item 3, the amazing live[-USB] tools, snapshots, etc.

techore, please tell which “etc” live tools are absent from mx linux compared to antix. I did not realize this and am not aware of any missing.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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The only light tools that are available in antiX and not MX Linux that I can think of are unofficial forum scripts provided by community members.

Some tools may be located in different menu locations but MX Linux and antiX have VERY SIMILAR tools and utilities and several people who participated in both efforts. At one point anticapitalista also assisted the early MX Linux development team, though I don’t think that is still going on but I could be mistaken. Nevertheless there remains a high degree of collaboration between the two distributions.

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[Member techore]

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olsztyn wrote:

MX does have one now. It is MX Fluxbox. Very nice. Well done…

By minimal, I mean without a desktop environment and xwindow applications like antix-core. There are user created MX respins and I’ve tried them. I was unhappy with them.

[Member olsztyn]

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techore wrote:

By minimal, I mean without a desktop environment and xwindow applications like antix-core. There are user created MX respins and I’ve tried them. I was unhappy with them.

Thanks. I see your point. Minimal is not what MX is intended. Indeed, even MX Fluxbox is not as antiX in terms of operating memory footprint. It is very nice though if one can afford some more memory resource.

Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

[Member techore]

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iznit wrote:

techore, please tell which “etc” live tools are absent..

@iznit, I guess that was ambiguous. Maybe? 🙂

I was not referring to “/etc” but “etc.” which is the abbreviation for etcetera. Yeah, I can see why that would be confusing. I’ll have to try to spell that out when talking with my antiX friends. Totally natural to think its the /etc directory.

[Member iznit]

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Hi, unconcerned with the etc directory. Concerned about missing live tools.
Here I rephrase my interest:

please tell which “etc” (((various, assorted, miscellaneous))) live tools are absent from mx linux compared to antix.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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iznit wrote:

Hi, unconcerned with the etc directory. Concerned about missing live tools.
Here I rephrase my interest:

please tell which “etc” (((various, assorted, miscellaneous))) live tools are absent from mx linux compared to antix.

I just wrote about this in my daily collection of “What are you here with…” comments and informational notes.

MX Linux is a richer, larger, and more complete collection of packages that do have an MX implementation of a similar tool called MX Package Installer.
It’s my favorite full featured general purpose system.
antiX is my favorite lean, mean, efficient system for older hardware.

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[Member techore]

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iznit wrote:

Hi, unconcerned with the etc directory. Concerned about missing live tools.
Here I rephrase my interest:

please tell which “etc” (((various, assorted, miscellaneous))) live tools are absent from mx linux compared to antix.

@ixni, I think there has been a misunderstanding. Where do I state MX Linux is missing tools? I’ve read my post, again, and I am not seeing it but I will restate for clarity.

‘I left MX Linux due to it not having a minimal installation, e.g. antix-core, and stayed with antiX due to the amazing live[-USB] tools, snapshots, and such.’

My feelings regarding MX Linux are the same that I have for antiX base or full, however, the difference is antiX gave me the option of core. I’ve read on the forum the justifications for not having a mx-core and the rebuffs when people ask for it. Honestly, it makes no sense to me. Generate an ISO before you install xorg, desktop environment, and all the GUI applications. Simple enough, right? However it is not my decision and I do feel it is an excellent Linux distro if not for me.

The beauty of opensource and Linux is we have options.

We have wandered far afield. 🙂

[Forum Admin rokytnji]

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This

harry@shop1:~
$ cd /usr/local/bin
harry@shop1:/usr/local/bin
$ ls
add-desktop                    chroot-rescue              detect-init.sh                icewm-toolbar-icon-manager.sh  netpro                     screenlight.sh               wallpaper
add-key                        chroot-rescue-scan         dfh                           id_version                     network-check-antix        search-bar                   wgetpaste
alsa-set-default-card          chroot-rescue-select       dfh-watch                     imdb                           network-readiness-state    search-bar-icon              wiki
amz                            clean-isomount             dict-search                   imdb-disc                      nuke-modules               set-desktop-theme            wingrid-bottomleft.sh
android-device-usb-connect.sh  cli-aptiX                  disconnectshares              imdbe                          open-with-menu.sh          set-dpi                      wingrid-bottomright.sh
ansi-bars                      cli-installer              disconnectshares.sh           inxi-gui                       paletterx                  set-screen-blank             wingrid-bottom.sh
ansi-colors                    colorview                  droopy                        isomount                       paneltoggle.sh             set_time-and_date.sh         wingrid-center.sh
ansi-tput                      conky-colors               droopy.sh                     isoumount                      persist-config             show-isomount                wingrid-close.sh
antix                          conkytoggle.sh             ds-mouse                      jwm-icon-paths                 persist-enabled            sort_by_size                 wingrid-grow.sh
antixccgrub.sh                 connectshares              ds-mouse.py                   jwm-set-theme                  persist-makefs             speedtest-cli.py             wingrid-left.sh
antixcc.sh                     connectshares-config       du-excludes                   jwm-update-components          persist-save               splash-select                wingrid-maximize.sh
antiX-cli-cc                   connectshares-config.sh    edit-as-root.sh               lh-mouse                       pinxi                      sqmount                      wingrid-right.sh
antiX-FileManager.sh           connectshares.sh           encrypt-antix                 li                             pmrp                       squmount                     wingrid-shrink.sh
antiX-paste                    connmanctl                 env-info                      live-grubsave                  process-reaper             start-t                      wingrid-topleft.sh
antixscreenshot.sh             console-font-select        fancy-prompts.bash            live-kernel-updater            psg                        stp                          wingrid-topright.sh
antix-wifi-switch              console-width-select       fancy-prompts.zsh             live-remaster                  ps_initrd.sh               streamlight-gui-launcher.sh  wingrid-top.sh
app-select                     createdesktopicon          fast_personal_menu_editor.sh  live-usb-maker                 ps_mem.py                  streamlight.sh               xmms
archive-create.sh              ddg                        fbxkb-start                   locale-antix                   rc-conf-wrapper.sh         time-x-start                 yad
archive-extract.sh             dd-live-usb                findshares                    login-config-antix             recently-used-delete.sh    tinyradio                    yad-autoremove
automount-antix                desktop-defaults-run       fstrim-antix                  menu_manager_applications.sh   recently-used-settings.sh  toram-eject                  yad-calendar
automount-config               desktop-defaults-set       gen-genericmenu               menu_manager_personal.sh       remove-desktop             translation-info.sh          yad-color
autoscale-antix                desktop-defaults-set-new   gen-longmenu                  menu_manager.sh                removedesktopicon          umount-media                 yad-icons
backlight-brightness           desktop-menu               gf                            messages.po                    rh-mouse                   unpack-initrd                yad-pmrp
block-advert.sh                desktop-menu-places        gg                            mountbox.sh                    rox-as-root.sh             unplugdrive.sh               yad-updater
boot-log                       desktop-session            guess-hwclock                 mount-media                    roxuri                     update-jwm-themes.sh         yad-volume
BroadcomStartup                desktop-session-exit       icewm-menu-Desktop.sh         mpv                            Rox-Wallpaper              urxvt-style                  zram
burniso                        desktop-session-wallpaper  icewm-menu-drives.sh          mx                             run-mksquashfs             usbmount
check-lang-support             desktop_tool.py            icewm-menu-recentfiles.sh     my_installed_debs              screenlight-menu.sh        usbumount

Boot a Deviun install and do a looksee comparison.

and then this

harry@shop1:~
$ cd /etc/apt/preferences.d
harry@shop1:/etc/apt/preferences.d
$ ls
00systemd
harry@shop1:/etc/apt/preferences.d
$ cat 00systemd
Package: *systemd*:any
Pin: origin *
Pin-Priority: -1
harry@shop1:/etc/apt/preferences.d
$ cd
harry@shop1:~

Forgot something. Because I am in the process of doing it right now

prog "ISO Snapshot" "/usr/share/icons/papirus-antix/48x48/categories/iso-snapshot.png" su-to-root -X -c iso-snapshot

Written to medium : 12283275 sectors at LBA 0
Writing to ‘stdio:/home/harry/Snapshot/snapshot/snapshot-20221103_2014.iso’ completed successfully.

24 gig restore point iso with all my current changes.
nuff said here/

• This reply was modified 6 months ago by rokytnji.
• This reply was modified 6 months ago by rokytnji.

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MX does not have a Core because that type of distro is not what they are about. They provide a full system with tools to enhance the experience of using a curated Linux distro. That’s their choice.

antiX is lean and mean and made for the person who wants to build up from a Core with only the features they want.

MX and antiX are related in that they share some tools and some developers and contributors. But they are different.

BTW, Dolphin Oracle did master a basic MX system for those who want to build from more of a basic system than normally provided by MX.

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[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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I would add that it has been possible for a very long time to morph and rebuild MX Linux just like you can with antiX. The only difference is that you have to do some of the work yourself.

Nevertheless I would argue that both antiX and MX Linux (and Simply MEPIS, more than a decade ago) have/had sufficient tools to do that because I built several myself around 15 years ago.

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