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  • #69037
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    Robin

      (The link should come up translated to your language already.)

      Read. — Think. — Act.

      Even if many of us suffer from volunteer heavy workload due to the upcoming new antiX release these days, take some minutes to revitalise the recollection of what is of eminent importance while living in our digitalised modern world.

      Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

      #69039
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      Xecure

        At some point, these things will be forgiven (though not forgotten). As time passes, people mature, and realize how stupid we were in the past (even just a few months ago). We pay for our past mistakes, but stupid words published on a social network are just stupid words, and mean nothing today (except if they were words of bullying or drove people to depression/suicide/pain, then you must pay for your past sins).

        The cancel culture will pass and people will be ashamed of their stupid “cancelling” behavior, the same as they are now criticizing the stupid words of others.

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        #69040
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        olsztyn

          take some minutes to revitalise the recollection of what is of eminent importance while living in our digitalised modern world.

          Social media, which began their operation as the idea of satisfying personal vanity has now become a powerful weapon to terrorize people, using other people as tools. Particularly exploited by vile movements such as Woke and Cancel Culture but also by those in real power, as addition to the mainstream media they control. Setting in minds the notion of ‘political correctness’ they want to control how people should think and behave. Turn free thinking citizens of planet Earth into obedient, indoctrinated masses. For anything you say that is not consistent with ‘political correctness’ you will vilified and you must apologize and beg forgiveness. But that may be not enough for them. You may lose your job, as employers are equally intimidated.
          I never had Facebook or Twitter. Not because I do not want my thoughts I express, believe in and stand for to haunt me in the future, exploited by some nefarious cancel culture people. It is because I am not supporting terrorism under cover and depriving citizens of freedom of speech.

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          #69095
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          Robin

            but stupid words published on a social network are just stupid words, and mean nothing today

            Well, the true problem behind all this is, that these days big companies and enterprises comb through social media systematically for your youth sins. In days of professional jealousy this may decide whether you get a job or not, whether you or another guy has a chance of being promoted. It has to be taken into account not only by those standing in the spotlight of publicity… So yes, stupid words are stupid words even nowadays, but now they do yield unpredictable consequences even many years later, when the person who spoke/wrote them isn’t 14 years old anymore (btw, this is true for any age: Our head is spherical, after all, so your thoughts may change their direction). So this literally unlimited data vault they pile up is actually an offence of freedom of speech. Meanwhile you are to have scissors in your head again, for applying and enforcing self-censorship. This is the actual opposite of the freedom internet once has promised, in the old days.

            I never had Facebook or Twitter.

            Same here. Simply because of Facebook & Co is »incompatible with democracy«. In contrast to the “normal” internet these social networks keep you in a kind of bubble of thoughts, always reflecting your own opinion back only, in order to maximise their advertising revenue, making you stay as long as possible within their fenced space calling it a universe. It is not a universe, it is a crippled distortion picture of it, making you think it is one.

            Turn free thinking citizens of planet Earth into obedient, indoctrinated masses.

            I believe it is even worse than that. They turn people not only into obedient masses, but foster extremist positions as a side effect of their way of keeping groups of people literally captured in their closed highly reflecting bubbles.

            Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

            #69098
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            anticapitalista

              Long live woke and cancel culture!
              Expose the racists, sexists, homophobes, anti-Semites for what they really are.

              No return to the dark days of open racism and prejudice being acceptable and ‘just another opinion’

              Send them back to the sewers where they belong.

              Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

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              #69158
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              olsztyn

                I believe it is even worse than that. They turn people not only into obedient masses, but foster extremist positions as a side effect of their way of keeping groups of people literally captured in their closed highly reflecting bubbles.

                I grew up in the communist system from my birth to late twenties. I was fully indoctrinated in that system where no expression of thoughts or ideas other than in strict line with communist ideology was tolerated. Any attempt of ‘another opinion’ or independent thinking was sure to end up badly, if you did not immediately apologize, admit your mistake and beg for forgiveness.
                Nowadays this became a modus operandi of woke and cancel culture organization, except no spies needed to report something you said. Internet does this and it is permanently recorded so any of your careless thoughts can be viciously and vengefully brought up against you any opportune time in the future.

                In strict communist system, where I lived in my early childhood (Soviet Union) it was much more seriously taken. You ended up in jail, subject to torture and likely gulag, which not many survived. It was enough that someone claimed overheard you said something and reported. My father was sent to six years of gulag in extreme conditions for nothing. Someone claimed overheard something he said. Twenty million people died in result of Stalin’s harsh intolerance of any ‘other opinion’…
                Looks like our woke and ‘cancel culture’ organizations have still way to go on their march to totalitarian control of speech and thoughts… and so called ‘progressive’ change in the government towards a ‘Socialist/Communist’ system.

                It was a great relief for my family to re-patriate to Poland and eventually for me to be able to get out of that communist system of Eastern Europe in my later twenties. After many years of enjoying freedom just to see now an avant guarde of socialism on the march again in US, during my early retirement…
                It just amuses me to see people who promote communist system, but they never physically lived in that system. Those who live in comfort of Europe or US and know nothing about realities of communist system as their life experience… Idealistic theory does not match the harsh reality…
                Consider these my thoughts as the ‘other opinion’, being a testimony of my real life experience… Not censored yet by some woke or cancel culture organization, but surely it will be…

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                #69192
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                anticapitalista

                  @olsztyn – what you describe about being brought up in a Stalinist state has nothing to do with ‘woke’ or ‘cancel culture’ as those terms are used today (mostly by the AlT-Right, conspiracy theorists etc).

                  Such people demand the ‘right’ to be racist, sexist, homophobic etc in public – all in the name of ‘free speech’.
                  This forum is NOT an advocate of free speech for racists, sexists and homophobes.
                  Any such comments will be trashed and the posters will be banned. We don’t want that sort of ‘freedom of speech’ here.

                  Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

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                  #69194
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                  ModdIt

                    Internet does this and it is permanently recorded so any of your careless thoughts can be viciously and
                    vengefully brought up against you any opportune time in the future.

                    The system you are writing about started with PRISM, the intention to know what anyone is doing at any time anywhere.
                    It has been perfected by western states for many years, see NSA GHCQ 5 Eyes etc.
                    The biggest espionage and killing operations are still a domain of the USA. Willing help coming from UK among
                    other countrys. Many drone strikes flown from Germany.

                    Your tirades against what you call a woke and cancel culture are right wing hogwash.

                    Have you ever opened your eyes to Harsh reality of the USA. One of the richest countrys on earth, biggest war monger,
                    working population living in poverty. Schools like prisons. Any idiot can buy a machine gun and ammunition, go on the
                    street and kill.

                    You grew up in a totalistic state not communism which is rule and power of the people, to promote what amounts to Faschism
                    as an antidote is brainless trash talk.

                    #69211
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                    olsztyn

                      This forum is NOT an advocate of free speech for racists,

                      Of course not.
                      I have lived and worked for over 45 years in the US, working in multiple companies, with variety of people of different colors of skin and origin. I have worked with people from Africa, Asia, Middle East, you name it. I have never seen any instance of racism. All us were equal. I have never been racist and I have respect for other cultures and religions. That is reflected through my interest in languages, to understand other cultures better.

                      During my travels I was once to Thessaloniki, Greece, where your residence and headquarters of antiX is. I saw only white people – Greek. Not a trace of people of color. So being surrounded by only white people, what is your real life exposure to people of other races to authoritatively claim racism is a significant issue?

                      Woke and cancel culture along with ‘Critical Race Theory’ instituted now in schools in US, to indoctrinate kids that white race is nothing but evil and should disappear from the surface of our planet, is just to drive a wedge between and divide people. To make people more conscious of skin color than ever before, rather than to feel as part of the same society. These political organizations that promote these divisions do nothing but create and promote racism that did not exist before.
                      This is my closing statement.

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                      #69220
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                      christophe

                        I concur. Racism is very rare in the usa among “normal, everyday people,” regardless of what the news may say.

                        We even elected Barak Obama twice.

                        I think perhaps the american “elites” (rich, politicos, & media) are the racists, since they wont let it go.

                        We basically killed racism here, then they are now trying to resurrect it.

                        But olsztyn is right about this, in my experience also.

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                        #69222
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                        anticapitalista

                          1. I never said you were racist.
                          2. I don’t know when you were in Thessaloniki, but it has changed and there are far more ‘non-whites’ than when I first came here in 1989.
                          White Albanians suffer from state racism here.
                          Golden Dawn Nazis have targeted ‘people of colour’ – immigrants/refugees from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, Egypt, Senegal, Nigeria to name a few places.
                          Greek nationalism is everywhere. Schools and the Church promote it on a daily basis.
                          3. It is your interpretation that US schools now “indoctrinate kids that white race is nothing but evil and should disappear from the surface of our planet”. What ‘woke/cancel’ culture in the US simply does is redress some balance to the years of slavery, white supremacy and colonialism. This is not racism. It is telling the truth.
                          What is wrong with that?

                          Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

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                          #69224
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                          christophe

                            It is your interpretation that US schools now “indoctrinate kids that white race is nothing but evil and should disappear from the surface of our planet”. What ‘woke/cancel’ culture in the US simply does is redress some balance to the years of slavery, white supremacy and colonialism. This is not racism. It is telling the truth.
                            What is wrong with that?

                            I respectfully disagree. Dr. King wanted equality. Because we ARE. Now 60 years later, the elites are telling our kids that they are racist… when they aren’t.
                            After I’ve taught them right. And I know my own heart – not racist. But they know better? No. I say the elites are the racists. All people are created equal in value (in my opinion). We have got to be so, or all of this means nothing.

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                            #69229
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                            ModdIt

                              . I have never seen any instance of racism

                              Sorry, I worked with US military several times, persons closed there eyes to racism sexism and prejudice.

                              I am white born in uK was insulted threatened and treated like shit from shorn headed US military persoonell.

                              The best and most trustworthy guys in my experience did not all have white skin.

                              In the company I worked for owned by Daimler Chrysler, Later MTU sexism and prejudice were Horrific.

                              But then I walk around with open eyes and ears….

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                              #69269
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                              Eismckwadraat19

                                I totally agree with Xecure.
                                Only the way must be shown by open minds to change one’s mind.
                                Otherwise it will take a very long time.

                                The emphasis that Olsztyn places on social media is very important.
                                I think this should also be used as a counter weapon, you don’t have any other choice.
                                AntiX is therefore an exemplary and progressive for me.
                                For many digital products (like phone os and social media) a similar alternative has to come, I think even for hardware in the future.

                                Ultimately, I think all the problems you all outline can be solved by a strong left block.
                                All the oppressed in the world must join hands in this.
                                Nationalism, racism, sexism, poverty, inequality all have the same source, namely the capitalist system.

                                -I find capitalism repugnant. It is filthy, it is gross, it is alienating... because it causes war, hypocrisy and competition-

                                Fidel Castro

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