Bewildered, Drifting MOUSE on Antix 22

[Member flyingchap]

I’m a keen convert to ANTIX on my middle-aged machines after the once lovely Lubuntu lost it’s ‘L’ and became fattybuntu.

Antix 19 was great as a startpoint – but have just moved up to Antix 22 and

*New problem*:- the MOUSE HAS GONE WIERD…: It was FINE on Antix 19, ODD on 22:

My mouse – a standard USB / REAL HP – works fine ~97% of the time.

The other 3% of the time it “goes odd….” seems to ‘become bewildered…’ drifts of it’s own accord, cursor wanders on the screen, and or periods of a few seconds, IGNORES the physical mouse completely.. then – ALWAYS snaps back – seemingly with a good shake of the mouse – but I know tha tlast part is imagined.

MY ATTEMPT AT DIAGNOSIS:

1. Alt HARDWARE – tried several other mice – NO DIFFERENT. Not hardware

2. USB ports – tried others – NO DIFFERENT.

3. SAME OS version on another PC ? works perfectly / no issue.

4. WHAT IS THE HW ? Lenovo Thinkpad X201, which YES has a trackpad – thought that was it, but I run with
trackpad disabled now, makes no difference.

5. TOUCHPAD on the X201 works perfectly at all times. I can disable it or not, makes no difference to the USB mouse “bewilderment”.

6. SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING NEW in Antix 22, only that this same Thinkpad had ANTIX 19 before and it was perfect. NO mouse issues.
I can REVERT to BOOT TO THAT – (prev Antix 19 is still on another HDD partition) – and then mouse is faultless. Antix 22 – bewildered.

7. I THOUGHT I HAD IT.. when I discovered this ARCH board with the SAME issue:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=258638&p=2

BUT unfortunately, the Arch Moderator there CLOSED the whole topic, with it wrongly marked “Solved” when it wasn’t:
the last chap asking, confirmed it’s NOT sorted, the poster has just had the fault “go away” on his machine, so has
stopped worrying. Plea to keep open, was ignored by the moderator.

I am happy to tinker but don’t have any clue how Mouse / its driver is configured on here: could someone with Mouse driver expertise comment ?

As ever – ALL WISDOM will be gratefully received. There is usually a wizard out there among you… fingers crossed.

LOVING the Antix OS Generally.
THANK YOU THANK YOU to all the hard work you guys put in making this. We mere mortals truly appreciate it.

ICEWM is a delight and a real find. Makes me wonder what a “fatty” Linux like Ubuntu might be like were it stripped for speed, and given ICEWM. UBserver + ICEWM – there’s an experiment to try.

Thanks all

flyingchap
South Warwickshire

[Member punranger]

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Have you tried loading a different kernel? I don’t know if there’s a different standard kernel that loads in 22 vs 19, the experts here will know for sure. But I do know that a lot of people have resolved their hardware issues by loading a different version kernel. Also, someone will probably ask you to post the output of inxi -zrv7 (Same as PC information in Control Center.)

antiX linux: The best way to revive an old computer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCTaUAP6sSg

[Member flyingchap]

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Hi Punranger, thank you for responding so quickly.

Re kernel alternatives — no I haven’t, but only because you’re already over my head with that, a little: I’m pretty experienced with Linux in general, and on a range of distros, but I have always “swerved” ‘messing with kernels’ as I’ve always assumed that would take me into deep territory I’m not familiar with and would soon break something.

**BUT am happy to try it if you can describe how to do it ? By all means please tell me the commands. [ As I mentoned I have Antix 19 on hand on same machine, in case relevant.]

Re you mentioning experts, any mouse-driver specialist wisdom would also be appreciated — some of the debate in that ARCH forum I mentioned, had very knowledgeable types seeming to be using obscure commands to read real-time event logs of the mouse drivers and the like so see what they’re doing.. quite deep stuff. I don’t know if all distrols handle mice the same way, or if kernel differences can mean whole different driver setups. There seemed to be talk there of default drivers or overriding installer drivers etc and config associated, but as I said they aborted the dialogue before it was resolved. Sounded V similar to what I’m seeing.

Just to add one bit of detail – at the heart of this effect, seems to be a “lag on mouse command”, in that as well as mouse movement variability, I find the left-click always seems to contain a small but significant, DELAY: if I click to (for example) put cursor on a given row of a document – it will always go there, but about ~~ 0.8 sec AFTER I click, not when I click. It’s so consistent that I’ve now started to autoadjust to it an instinctively “wait a moment” after such a moment before typing. SAME, when clicking to move focus – to move from a Console window to an application window for example. And all this happens on a nice fast i5 (which if i reboot to Antix 19 is PERFECT).

IN THE MEANWHILE – output from the command you mentioned – thank you for that I’ve not met that command before..:

$ inxi -zrv7
System:
  Kernel: 4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
    v: 10.2.1 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.0.1 dm: slimski v: 1.5.0
    Distro: antiX-22_x64-base Grup Yorum 19 October 2022
    base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye)
Machine:
  Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 3680FBG v: ThinkPad X201
    serial: <superuser required> Chassis: type: 10 serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: 3680FBG serial: <superuser required> BIOS: LENOVO
    v: 6QET64WW (1.34 ) date: 02/24/2011
Battery:
  ID-1: BAT0 charge: 2.5 Wh (100.0%) condition: 2.5/62.2 Wh (4.1%)
    volts: 12.5 min: 11.1 model: SANYO 42T4835 type: Li-ion serial: <filter>
    status: N/A
Memory:
  RAM: total: 3.73 GiB used: 980.4 MiB (25.7%)
  RAM Report:
    permissions: Unable to run dmidecode. Root privileges required.
CPU:
  Info: dual core model: Intel Core i5 M 520 bits: 64 type: MT MCP
    smt: enabled arch: Westmere rev: 5 cache: L1: 128 KiB L2: 512 KiB L3: 3 MiB
  Speed (MHz): avg: 1699 high: 2400 min/max: 1199/2400 boost: enabled
    cores: 1: 1199 2: 1199 3: 2400 4: 1999 bogomips: 19151
  Flags: acpi aes aperfmperf apic arat arch_perfmon bts clflush cmov
    constant_tsc cx16 cx8 de ds_cpl dtes64 dtherm dts ept est flexpriority
    flush_l1d fpu fxsr ht ibpb ibrs ida kaiser lahf_lm lm mca mce mmx monitor
    msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl nx pae pat pbe pcid pclmulqdq pdcm pebs pge pni
    popcnt pse pse36 rdtscp rep_good sep smx ss ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2
    ssse3 stibp syscall tm tm2 tpr_shadow tsc vme vmx vnmi vpid xtopology
    xtpr
Graphics:
  Device-1: Intel Core Processor Integrated Graphics vendor: Lenovo
    driver: i915 v: kernel arch: Gen5.75 ports: active: LVDS-1,VGA-1
    empty: DP-1,HDMI-A-1 bus-ID: 00:02.0 chip-ID: 8086:0046 class-ID: 0300
  Device-2: Lenovo Integrated Webcam type: USB driver: uvcvideo
    bus-ID: 1-1.6:5 chip-ID: 17ef:4816 class-ID: 0e02
  Display: server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: intel gpu: i915
    display-ID: :0.0 screens: 1
  Screen-1: 0 s-res: 3200x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 846x285mm (33.31x11.22")
    s-diag: 893mm (35.15")
  Monitor-1: LVDS-1 mapped: LVDS1 pos: primary,left model: Lenovo 0x4011
    res: 1280x800 hz: 60 dpi: 125 size: 261x163mm (10.28x6.42")
    diag: 308mm (12.1") modes: 1280x800
  Monitor-2: VGA-1 mapped: VGA1 pos: right model: AOC F22 serial: <filter>
    res: 1920x1080 hz: 60 dpi: 102 size: 476x268mm (18.74x10.55")
    diag: 537mm (21.1") modes: max: 1920x1080 min: 640x480
  OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel HD Graphics (ILK) v: 2.1 Mesa 20.3.5
    direct render: Yes
Audio:
  Device-1: Intel 5 Series/3400 Series High Definition Audio vendor: Lenovo 5
    driver: snd_hda_intel v: kernel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 chip-ID: 8086:3b56
    class-ID: 0403
  Sound Server-1: ALSA v: k4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp running: yes
  Sound Server-2: PulseAudio v: 14.2 running: no
Network:
  Device-1: Intel 82577LM Gigabit Network vendor: Lenovo driver: e1000e
    v: 3.2.6-k port: 1820 bus-ID: 00:19.0 chip-ID: 8086:10ea class-ID: 0200
  IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter>
  Device-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6200 driver: N/A bus-ID: 02:00.0
    chip-ID: 8086:4239 class-ID: 0280
  Device-3: TP-Link TL-WN823N v2/v3 [Realtek RTL8192EU] type: USB
    driver: rtl8192eu bus-ID: 1-1.1:3 chip-ID: 2357:0109 class-ID: 0000
    serial: <filter>
  IF: wlan1 state: up mac: <filter>
  IP v4: <filter> scope: global broadcast: <filter>
  IP v6: <filter> scope: link
  WAN IP: <filter>
Bluetooth:
  Message: No bluetooth data found.
Logical:
  Message: No logical block device data found.
RAID:
  Message: No RAID data found.
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 465.76 GiB used: 297.72 GiB (63.9%)
  ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Seagate model: ST500LT012-1DG142 size: 465.76 GiB
    speed: 3.0 Gb/s type: HDD rpm: 5400 serial: <filter> rev: SDM1 scheme: MBR
  Message: No optical or floppy data found.
Partition:
  ID-1: / size: 91.11 GiB used: 17.59 GiB (19.3%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda7
    label: rootantiX22 uuid: 320500d3-4234-46ac-bce0-480f6bd19335
  ID-2: /media/240GB size: 219.9 GiB used: 198.02 GiB (90.1%) fs: ext4
    dev: /dev/sda4 label: 240GB uuid: dcca6886-267c-4543-be7e-e0ca4fb866a7
  ID-3: /media/Windows size: 83.06 GiB used: 82.11 GiB (98.9%) fs: ntfs
    dev: /dev/sda2 label: Windows uuid: B272B58272B54C3B
  ID-4: /media/mikeh/dell830_DATA size: 245.59 GiB used: 241.07 GiB (98.2%)
    fs: cifs dev: /dev/DELLac03_DATA
Swap:
  ID-1: swap-1 type: partition size: 1.85 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) priority: -1
    dev: /dev/sda6 label: N/A uuid: e3899b21-925c-4c3d-827a-73b0dab729d5
Unmounted:
  ID-1: /dev/sda1 size: 5.85 GiB fs: ntfs label: System
    uuid: ECFCB367FCB32B2A
  ID-2: /dev/sda3 size: 1 KiB fs: <superuser required> label: N/A uuid: N/A
  ID-3: /dev/sda5 size: 58.28 GiB fs: ext4 label: N/A
    uuid: a279d843-62f3-45a8-ba93-160d71a20732
USB:
  Hub-1: 1-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 3 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s
    chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-2: 1-1:2 info: Intel Integrated Rate Matching Hub ports: 6 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 8087:0020 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 1-1.1:3 info: TP-Link TL-WN823N v2/v3 [Realtek RTL8192EU]
    type: Network driver: rtl8192eu interfaces: 1 rev: 2.1 speed: 480 Mb/s
    power: 500mA chip-ID: 2357:0109 class-ID: 0000 serial: <filter>
  Device-2: 1-1.3:4
    info: Upek Biometric Touchchip/Touchstrip Fingerprint Sensor
    type: <vendor specific> driver: N/A interfaces: 1 rev: 1.0 speed: 12 Mb/s
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 147e:2016 class-ID: 0000
  Device-3: 1-1.6:5 info: Lenovo Integrated Webcam type: Video
    driver: uvcvideo interfaces: 2 rev: 2.0 speed: 480 Mb/s power: 200mA
    chip-ID: 17ef:4816 class-ID: 0e02
  Hub-3: 2-0:1 info: Full speed or root hub ports: 3 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 1d6b:0002 class-ID: 0900
  Hub-4: 2-1:2 info: Intel Integrated Rate Matching Hub ports: 8 rev: 2.0
    speed: 480 Mb/s chip-ID: 8087:0020 class-ID: 0900
  Device-1: 2-1.2:3 info: HP HP 1000 USB Optical Mouse type: Mouse
    driver: hid-generic,usbhid interfaces: 1 rev: 2.0 speed: 1.5 Mb/s
    power: 100mA chip-ID: 03f0:2a41 class-ID: 0301
Sensors:
  System Temperatures: cpu: 67.0 C mobo: 0.0 C
  Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 3494
Repos:
  Packages: apt: 1506
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/alessandro-strada-ubuntu-ppa-bionic.list
    1: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/alessandro-strada/ppa/ubuntu xenial main
    2: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/alessandro-strada/ppa/ubuntu xenial main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
    1: deb http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/antix/bullseye/ bullseye main nosystemd nonfree
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bullseye-backports.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/teams.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] https://packages.microsoft.com/repos/ms-teams stable main
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
Info:
  Processes: 181 Uptime: 1h 15m wakeups: 3 Init: SysVinit v: 2.96 runlevel: 5
  default: 5 Compilers: gcc: 10.2.1 alt: 10 Shell: Bash v: 5.1.4
  running-in: roxterm inxi: 3.3.19

mikeh@antix22-X201:~

THANK YOU – ALL ADVICE MUCH APPRECIATED.

[Member flyingchap]

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APOLOGIES – here is that same command output but run with SUDO:

( Had to attach as a Zip / something in it frightens WordFence )

Thanks again.

Attachments:

1. Flyingchap-INXI-Command-output-with-SUDO.txt.zip

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Hi flyingchap,
may I suggest trying the antiX 23 beta, it has a 6 series kernel and, in my
experience much improved harware support as well as many other improvements.

Please do not be afraid at the beta tag, its more stable and usable than many
other distros. Including a major one with flab trend.

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flyingchap wrote:

**BUT am happy to try it if you can describe how to do it ? By all means please tell me the commands

That’s pretty easy.

Just run the commands:

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get upgrade

This was to make sure you have updated your system completely before starting with kernel checkout.

Then run the commands:
apt-cache search linux-image | grep antix | grep amd64

From the results listing pick the kernel you want to give a try and write down its package name.

Run the command
apt-cache search linux-headers | grep antix | grep amd64

From this list pick the kernel-headers matching precisely the kernel version you have picked before.

Then install both of them:

sudo apt-get install kernel-headers-package kernel-image-package

Example:

$ apt-cache search linux-image | grep antix | grep amd64
linux-image-4.19.0-222-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.19.0-222-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.19.0-256-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.19.0-256-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.19.184-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.19.184-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.19.198-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.19.198-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.19.202-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.19.202-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.19.276-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.19.276-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.4.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.4.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.4.0-276-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.4.0-276-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.4.0-279-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.4.0-279-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.4.0-296-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.4.0-296-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.9.0-276-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.9.0-276-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.9.0-279-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.9.0-279-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.9.0-294-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.9.0-294-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.10.104-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.10.104-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.10.137-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.10.137-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.10.173-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.10.173-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.10.27-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.10.27-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.10.52-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.10.52-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.10.88-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.10.88-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-5.8.16-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 5.8.16-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-6.1.10-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 6.1.10-antix.1-amd64-smp
linux-image-6.1.18-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel, version 6.1.18-antix.1-amd64-smp

$ apt-cache search linux-headers | grep antix | grep amd64
linux-headers-4.19.0-222-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.19.0-222-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.19.0-256-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.19.0-256-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.19.184-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.19.184-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.19.198-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.19.198-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.19.202-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.19.202-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.19.276-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.19.276-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.4.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.4.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.4.0-276-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.4.0-276-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.4.0-279-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.4.0-279-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.4.0-296-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.4.0-296-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.4.264-antix.1 - Linux kernel headers for 4.4.264-antix.1 on amd64
linux-headers-4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.9.0-264-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.9.0-276-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.9.0-276-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.9.0-279-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.9.0-279-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.9.0-294-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.9.0-294-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 4.9.0-326-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.10.104-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.10.104-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.10.137-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.10.137-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.10.142-antix.2-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.10.173-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.10.173-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.10.27-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.10.27-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.10.52-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.10.52-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.10.57-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.10.88-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.10.88-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-5.8.16-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 5.8.16-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-6.1.10-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 6.1.10-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64
linux-headers-6.1.18-antix.1-amd64-smp - Linux kernel headers for 6.1.18-antix.1-amd64-smp on amd64

The | grep amd64 part of the command makes sure to show only kernels matching your CPU architecture. Since you have 64bit CPU (according to your inxi output), select one of the amd64 named kernels:

sudo apt-get install linux-headers-6.1.18-antix.1-amd64-smp linux-image-6.1.18-antix.1-amd64-smp

Or select a matching kernel from the 5.x series:

sudo apt-get install linux-headers-5.10.173-antix.1-amd64-smp linux-image-5.10.173-antix.1-amd64-smp

This is a listing from antiX 23. On antiX 19, 21/22 you will get a slightly different listing of available kernels.

You can even give a non antiX kernel a try. Then simply omit the „| grep antix” part from the list command to see all available kernels.

Check for any errors displayed during installation on console.
If installation was completed successfully, reboot.
In the boot menu you should see the new kernel to boot in.
In case of trouble you can simply boot to any previously installed kernel, they are selectable from the boot menu.

Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

[Member Robin]

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flyingchap wrote:

1. Alt HARDWARE – tried several other mice – NO DIFFERENT. Not hardware

If you have the chance, try a true serial mouse instead of USB, if you have one or if your Notebook provides the respective RS232 plug.
If you have the chance, try a true PS/2 mouse instead of USB, if you have one or if your Notebook provides the respective PS/2 plug.

Your notebook shows a USB connected camera, USB network card, USB Fingerprint sensor, etc. additionally to your mouse so these might outpower the usb subsystem completely already.

Check the dmesg output for any unusual USB activity when you have the issues:

sudo dmesg

or
sudo dmesg | tail -n60

Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

[Member RJP]

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A restless mouse can be caused by a surface that is too flat.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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RJP wrote:

A restless mouse can be caused by a surface that is too flat.

I think you are absolutely right. When I attempt to use my physical USB mouse and it’s sitting on a surface, it works. I did see it working on a hard, wooden surface, but it’s erratic on other surfaces UNLESS a mouse pad is underneath.

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Another way to check out a different kernel: If you fire up a Live USB, you have the option to try at least two different kernels, depending on which version you’re running. You set this on one of the startup screen before you start booting, it’s very easy, and there’s very little risk involved (if any). I second the suggestion to try the antiX 23 beta. I don’t know when that will be released out of beta, but I’m guessing sometime this year.

antiX linux: The best way to revive an old computer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCTaUAP6sSg

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TO: XUNZI_23

Thanks very much for the v6 Kernel recommendation. I’ll certainly try that (until a 100% fix arises from something else before I get to it.

I feel like this is something other people are going to bump into, as this Laptop (X201 Thinkpad) is a dearold workhorse I’m sure others will own and try.

I’ve never had this issue on anything before – but on the other hand, I suppose the Kernel in this Antix 22 [4.9.0-326-antix] also HASN’T BEEN under any earlier OS deployments I will have run either, so it could be a subtle quirk somewhere in this kernel.

“Feels” like the mouse comms subsystem is momentarily being disrupted / interupted now and again – if I keep the mouse stationary, but just click on a taskbar tab to restore / hide/ restore/ hide an appn window, it works normally, that 97% ish of the time. Just now and again there is a small just-under-a-second-lag – almost as if the USB port was being “lost” then recovered a moment later. This never happens if I use the trackpad’s buttons.

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Robin wrote:

flyingchap wrote:

**BUT am happy to try it if you can describe how to do it ? By all means please tell me the commands

That’s pretty easy.

Just run the commands:

To: ROBIN

Robin thanks a lot for these instructions – much appreciated. AH that does makes it look v simple as you say / yes i’d forgotten the boot menu includes kernel variants selectably.

Great / I will go try that and report back. Just replying to a few other comments here first.

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Robin wrote:

flyingchap wrote:

1. Alt HARDWARE – tried several other mice – NO DIFFERENT. Not hardware

If you have the chance, try a true serial mouse instead of USB, if you have one or if your Notebook provides the respective RS232 plug.
If you have the chance, try a true PS/2 mouse instead of USB, if you have one or if your Notebook provides the respective PS/2 plug.

Your notebook shows a USB connected camera, USB network card, USB Fingerprint sensor, etc. additionally to your mouse so these might outpower the usb subsystem completely already.

ROBIN thanks for this – I have tried other pointing input, in the form of the inbuilt trackpad, and that works faultlessly, both pointer and buttons. It’s only the the USB device that doesn’t (and any USB mouse gives same results). I’m not sure a serial or PS/2 mouse ( I am old enough to potentially own one 🙂 ) would tell us much as that’s a whole different driver – I want USB working on Antix22, and remember – USB mouse *DOES work perfectly on this exact PC on Antix 19*.

For the same reason I don’t think this is anything to do with electrical loading, the peripherals you refer to (WebCam etc) are all standard built-in parts of the Thinkpad, not accessories, so I’m not overloading anything. And as I say it’s all fine on Antix 19.

But thank you for all the inputs/ all fair points / as we all know sometimes these things don’t give in until the 19th attempt.
I’m hoping the suggested kernel switch will sort it. Will report back once trialled.

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RJP wrote:

A restless mouse can be caused by a surface that is too flat.

To: RJP

RJP thanks for the input — THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT: you’re right, I’ve seen that before… but not this time – I’ve tested quite carefully, with several mousemat types, and that isn’t it.

A confirming point is it’s not just the X/Y tracking position – it’s the left-click also. If I hold mouse dead still, and just click left repeatedly on a taskbar tab, to restore/hide/restore/hide an application window, it’s faultless on the trackpad button, but on the USB mouse button, every few seconds the mystic “0.8sec delay” jumps in and delays the event. The mouseclick is NEVER missed by the way: just delayed sporadically: that makes me wonder if the USB subsytem itself is fine, but something further downstream where Xwindow commands are queued ? gets a little distracted. That DID seem to be the dialogue on that ARCH forum I mentioned above, which got very “deep”, before annoyingly the opinionated moderator there shut down further discussion without it being resolved.

Clipped here is part of that ARCH dialogue which went over my head…:

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I have similar issues on my P43s laptop (Cinnamon DE). Next to a mouse lagging I also often get doubled characters when typing.

This is what I see in my log, I can sometimes see the new log entry simultaneously with mouse lag, but there are also other lags not logged at all.
I can confirm that this issue is more frequent after wake up from a sleep mode.

[ 4283.278] (EE) event19 – Logitech M705: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 13ms, your system is too slow
[ 4305.456] (EE) event23 – Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 30ms, your system is too slow
[ 5267.482] (EE) client bug: timer event19 debounce: scheduled expiry is in the past (-304ms), your system is too slow
[ 5267.482] (EE) client bug: timer event19 middlebutton: scheduled expiry is in the past (-279ms), your system is too slow
[ 5267.483] (EE) client bug: timer event19 debounce: scheduled expiry is in the past (-157ms), your system is too slow
[ 5267.483] (EE) client bug: timer event19 debounce short: scheduled expiry is in the past (-170ms), your system is too slow
[ 5453.476] (II) event19 – Logitech M705: SYN_DROPPED event – some input events have been lost.
[ 5484.468] (EE) event19 – Logitech M705: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 507ms, your system is too slow
[ 5484.468] (EE) event23 – Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 492ms, your system is too slow
[ 5546.495] (II) event19 – Logitech M705: SYN_DROPPED event – some input events have been lost.
[ 5670.466] (II) event19 – Logitech M705: SYN_DROPPED event – some input events have been lost.
[ 5755.835] (EE) event19 – Logitech M705: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 11ms, your system is too slow
[ 5887.469] (II) event19 – Logitech M705: SYN_DROPPED event – some input events have been lost.
[ 5891.632] (EE) event19 – Logitech M705: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 13ms, your system is too slow
[ 5914.171] (EE) event23 – Microsoft Wired Keyboard 600: client bug: event processing lagging behind by 19ms, your system is too slow
[ 5949.467] (II) event19 – Logitech M705: SYN_DROPPED event – some input events have been lost.
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Just to be 100% clear — that quoted block is nothing to do with my specific issue but was as close as I came to someone describing the exact “drifting” symptoms I see here, but as I say that’s on an ARCH forum.

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Brian Masinick wrote:

RJP wrote:

A restless mouse can be caused by a surface that is too flat.

I think you are absolutely right. When I attempt to use my physical USB mouse and it’s sitting on a surface, it works. I did see it working on a hard, wooden surface, but it’s erratic on other surfaces UNLESS a mouse pad is underneath.

THANK YOU Brian – but please see my reply to RJP at #104806 – I thought it was that, but no. Not merely a movement issue, lag is present in button-presses too.

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