[SOLVED]: Boot-up fails with antiX kernel series 5 – why?

[Forum Admin anticapitalista]

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I have no idea why it doesn’t boot with any 5.10 kernel.
Still, the 4.9 one works just fine as you have said in another post.

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[Member mikey777]

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anticapitalista wrote:

I have no idea why it doesn’t boot with any 5.10 kernel.
Still, the 4.9 one works just fine as you have said in another post.

Yes, as you say 4.9 works fine – I was just thinking ahead beyond the time when it reaches EOL (not long). Still, the Debian kernels later than 5.10 work, so therefore there’s still mileage left in this old but robust machine.

▪ 32-bit antix19.4-core+LXDE installed on :
- (2011) Samsung NP-N145 Plus (JP04UK) – single-core CPU Intel Atom N455@1.66GHz, 2GB RAM, integrated graphics.
▪ 64-bit antix21-base+LXDE installed on:
- (2008) Asus X71Q (7SC002) – dual CPU Intel T3200@2.0GHz, 4GB RAM. Graphics: Intel Mobile 4 Series, integrated graphics
- (2007) Packard Bell Easynote MX37 (ALP-Ajax C3) – dual CPU Intel T2310@1.46GHz, 2GB RAM. Graphics: Silicon Integrated Systems.

[Member mikey777]

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I’m continuing to test series 5 kernels for compatibility with the Asus X71Q-7SC002 laptop. The latest 5.19 kernel appears to boot normally, the deb files being downloaded from
https://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/pool/main/l/linux-libre/

That is:
linux-image-5.19.7-gnu_5.19.7-gnu-1.0_amd64.deb and linux-headers-5.19.7-gnu_5.19.7-gnu-1.0_amd64.deb

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▪ 32-bit antix19.4-core+LXDE installed on :
- (2011) Samsung NP-N145 Plus (JP04UK) – single-core CPU Intel Atom N455@1.66GHz, 2GB RAM, integrated graphics.
▪ 64-bit antix21-base+LXDE installed on:
- (2008) Asus X71Q (7SC002) – dual CPU Intel T3200@2.0GHz, 4GB RAM. Graphics: Intel Mobile 4 Series, integrated graphics
- (2007) Packard Bell Easynote MX37 (ALP-Ajax C3) – dual CPU Intel T2310@1.46GHz, 2GB RAM. Graphics: Silicon Integrated Systems.

[Member mikey777]

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SUCCESS!
From https://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/pool/main/l/linux-libre/ I just downloaded & installed the following files:
linux-image-5.10.141-gnu1_5.10.141-gnu1-1.0_amd64.deb and linux-headers-5.10.141-gnu1_5.10.141-gnu1-1.0_amd64.deb

I’m delighted to say, that with these image and header versions of 5.10, the Asus X71Q-7SC002 finally achieved success with an apparently normal boot. This ageing laptop is therefore good at least until this kernel’s end-of-life in December 2026.

Please could a moderator therefore please mark this thread as [SOLVED].
Many thanks!

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▪ 32-bit antix19.4-core+LXDE installed on :
- (2011) Samsung NP-N145 Plus (JP04UK) – single-core CPU Intel Atom N455@1.66GHz, 2GB RAM, integrated graphics.
▪ 64-bit antix21-base+LXDE installed on:
- (2008) Asus X71Q (7SC002) – dual CPU Intel T3200@2.0GHz, 4GB RAM. Graphics: Intel Mobile 4 Series, integrated graphics
- (2007) Packard Bell Easynote MX37 (ALP-Ajax C3) – dual CPU Intel T2310@1.46GHz, 2GB RAM. Graphics: Silicon Integrated Systems.

[Member calciumsodium]

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mikey777 wrote:

SUCCESS!
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linux-image-5.10.141-gnu1_5.10.141-gnu1-1.0_amd64.deb and linux-headers-5.10.141-gnu1_5.10.141-gnu1-1.0_amd64.deb

Congratulations! Since you got it to work with the jxself gnu linux libre kernels, I was wondering what is the wifi that you are using on that laptop?

Can you please share your

inxi -N

Thanks

[Member mikey777]

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calciumsodium wrote:

Congratulations! Since you got it to work with the jxself gnu linux libre kernels, I was wondering what is the wifi that you are using on that laptop?
Can you please share your inxi -N

Sure, this is:

$ inxi -N
Network:
  Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros AR928X Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath9k
  Device-2: Realtek RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet
    driver: r8169

Does the wifi driver have a bearing on successful booting?

▪ 32-bit antix19.4-core+LXDE installed on :
- (2011) Samsung NP-N145 Plus (JP04UK) – single-core CPU Intel Atom N455@1.66GHz, 2GB RAM, integrated graphics.
▪ 64-bit antix21-base+LXDE installed on:
- (2008) Asus X71Q (7SC002) – dual CPU Intel T3200@2.0GHz, 4GB RAM. Graphics: Intel Mobile 4 Series, integrated graphics
- (2007) Packard Bell Easynote MX37 (ALP-Ajax C3) – dual CPU Intel T2310@1.46GHz, 2GB RAM. Graphics: Silicon Integrated Systems.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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The WiFi driver does not impact the ability to boot, but it is necessary to have a WiFi driver that is recognized by the kernel you are booting in order to access the network, so after boot, the WiFi driver DOES matter. Since you’re here, as long as it’s on the system under discussion, it’s pretty clear that your WiFi driver works fine.

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[Member calciumsodium]

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mikey777 wrote:

Qualcomm Atheros AR928X Wireless Network Adapter driver: ath9k

Hi @mikey777,

That Atheros adapter with the ath9k wifi is very optimized for the jxself gnu linux libre kernel. You will enjoy a very good wifi experience with this libre kernel on this laptop.

[Member mikey777]

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@Brian Masinick @calciumsodium
Yes, I’m running now on the jxself 5.10 gnu linux libre kernel. I have removed all the other kernels, though have kept a second one in reserve (4.9), just in case.
Wifi is working normally. Calciumsodium, I’m unsure what “a very good wifi experience” actually looks like – I thought it either works or doesn’t work, but then I don’t know much on that subject.

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▪ 32-bit antix19.4-core+LXDE installed on :
- (2011) Samsung NP-N145 Plus (JP04UK) – single-core CPU Intel Atom N455@1.66GHz, 2GB RAM, integrated graphics.
▪ 64-bit antix21-base+LXDE installed on:
- (2008) Asus X71Q (7SC002) – dual CPU Intel T3200@2.0GHz, 4GB RAM. Graphics: Intel Mobile 4 Series, integrated graphics
- (2007) Packard Bell Easynote MX37 (ALP-Ajax C3) – dual CPU Intel T2310@1.46GHz, 2GB RAM. Graphics: Silicon Integrated Systems.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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@mikey777: glad you got it working; I usually keep at least one spare kernel too in case one is misconfigured for any reason.

Glad I do it this; I have experienced a few temporary kernel issues lately and thanks to alternative kernels I have been fine.

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mikey777 wrote:

SUCCESS!

Congrats! I have been following your posts with interest. I want to thank you for persistence in making this work with (a) kernel 5.10. Your experience is a good lesson to me that even within the same line of kernels appropriate testing on specific hardware is necessary to identify the working one on specific hardware.
My summary (In my understanding) for Asus X71Q:

– No earlier than 5.10.141 kernel works. This sounds to me they buggy, considering the latest one (5.10.141) did fix booting.
– The working 5.10.141 kernel is not antiX specific, so no assurance that when antiX one comes out it will work.

I will be on the lookout for the antiX version of 5.10.141 kernel, as the latest available one (5.10.137) has been already reported as not working on some hardware by several antiX forum members (mikey777, blur13 and Brian Masinick, if I am not mistaken)…
Thanks again…

Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

[Member calciumsodium]

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olsztyn wrote:

– No earlier than 5.10.141 kernel works.

I think that @mikey777 only tried the jxself gnu linux libre kernel 5.10.141. He did not try previous versions of the linux libre kernel of 5.10.
In that link that @mikey777 reference, it only gives the latest libre kernel version of 5.10. If you look now, it only shows 5.10.142. 5.10.141 is not present anymore.

So, I think your statement: “No earlier than 5.10.141 kernel works” may not be correct.

This is an important distinction because previous versions of the linux libre kernel 5.10 MAY work. We don’t know.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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IF only versions>= 141 work, it could be that these variations have resolved the Debian kernel defects.

Whether Debian has also fixed their 5.10 kernels from all the previous defects is something I don’t know.

I’ve read that a few derivatives have made improvements and fixes; perhaps ‘good citizen’ Debian derivatives have shared their fixes with the Debian kernel team – that’s how it SHOULD WORK!

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calciumsodium wrote:

So, I think your statement: “No earlier than 5.10.141 kernel works” may not be correct.

Thank you calciumsodium. You are right, of course. My statement was derived from synthesizing findings of Mikey777, Blur13 and Brian. However my statement is incorrect, taking a broad assumption.
Thanks for correcting me.

Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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I think the answer is to find the defective code, especially the modules that poorly handle Intel processors and i915 graphics cards, then assess what other show stopper defects are in the 5.10 kernel; clearly they don’t affect everyone but they do affect a sizable number of people in our community.

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