Browsers for 32-bit

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Hi. I mainly use Pale Moon and, alternatively, SeaMonkey. I also use Firefox-ESR for specific sites. Being helped from the forum, I also installed Tor and it seems to be OK.
Except for Chromium & Opera that, as I remember, they are not quite lightweight for the hardware I use, I thought to give a try to the other browsers that exist in Package Installer, but without any success. Are they all incompatible with 32-bit systems?
I installed epiphany, falkon & surf, but they don’t seem to work:

$ epiphany

** (epiphany:32036): WARNING **: 09:59:51.011: Failed to search secrets in password schema: The name org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files

$ falkon
Please register the custom scheme 'falkon' via QWebEngineUrlScheme::registerScheme() before installing the custom scheme handler.
Please register the custom scheme 'extension' via QWebEngineUrlScheme::registerScheme() before installing the custom scheme handler.
Use of deprecated not thread-safe setter, use setUrlRequestInterceptor instead.
Falkon: 1 extensions loaded
Xlib: sequence lost (0x10380 > 0x382) in reply type 0x0!
Xlib: sequence lost (0x10393 > 0x395) in reply type 0x0!
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete attachment.
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete, missing draw buffer.
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete, missing draw buffer.
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete attachment.
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete, missing attachment.
Xlib: sequence lost (0x103a1 > 0x3a3) in reply type 0x0!
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete attachment.
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete, missing draw buffer.
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete, missing draw buffer.
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete attachment.
QOpenGLFramebufferObject: Framebuffer incomplete, missing attachment.
Xlib: sequence lost (0x103cb > 0x3cd) in reply type 0x0!
QOpenGLShader: could not create shader
QOpenGLShader: could not create shader
QOpenGLShader: could not create shader
QOpenGLShader: could not create shader
[355:444:1229/100212.724895:ERROR:shared_context_state.cc(290)] SharedContextState::InitializeGL failure max_vertex_attribs : 0 is less that minimum required : 8
[355:444:1229/100212.726831:ERROR:raster_command_buffer_stub.cc(112)] Failed to Initialize GL for SharedContextState

$ surf

** (surf:1033): WARNING **: 10:03:39.384: webkit_web_context_set_additional_plugins_directory is deprecated and does nothing. Netscape plugins are no longer supported.

** (surf:1033): WARNING **: 10:03:39.406: webkit_web_context_set_additional_plugins_directory is deprecated and does nothing. Netscape plugins are no longer supported.

Vivaldi doesn’t mean to be installed.
Slimjet let me with a deb file which I tried to install, but without any success:

$ sudo dpkg -i slimjet_i386.deb
Selecting previously unselected package slimjet.
(Reading database ... 111738 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack slimjet_i386.deb ...
Unpacking slimjet (33.0.0.0) ...
dpkg-deb (subprocess): cannot copy archive member from 'slimjet_i386.deb' to decompressor pipe: unexpected end of file or stream
dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive 'slimjet_i386.deb' (size=42959926) member 'data.tar': lzma error: unexpected end of input
dpkg-deb: error: <decompress> subprocess returned error exit status 2
dpkg: error processing archive slimjet_i386.deb (--install):
 cannot copy extracted data for './opt/slimjet/slimjet' to '/opt/slimjet/slimjet.dpkg-new': unexpected end of file or stream
Errors were encountered while processing:
 slimjet_i386.deb

[Member madibi]

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Dear,
for my old Toshiba laptop from 2007, FFox ESR is too heavy.
I use it only for home banking.
The best lighter alternative for me is chromium. It lets me to do all my jobs, and over all I can see the “working chessboards” while reading the articles on http://www.chessbase.com, as I do with FFox (both esr and “normal”). With all the others (included ungoogled chromium) , I have issues while trying to read the above mentioned articles.

Please note that @PPC wrote in another thread that Chromium is not secure because it is not updated: that is the reason why I do the home banking with FFox.

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madibi wrote:

Chromium is not secure because it is not updated

Exactly – I just want to clarify this- this applies to the 32bits version of Chromium and its derived browsers (Chrome, Brave, Edge, etc). Chromium has not been updated in it’s 32bits version for about 2 years now- Google simply stopped supporting 32bits Linux versions- that’s why you can’t play DRMed content in 32bits browsers (Google creates and manages the plugin that video DRM content needs in order to run in a browser, that’s why you can no longer watch Netflix, etc in Linux 32bits…)

Like I said some times before: 32bits is a dead arch – people like me and you are running the last remnants of a long (in computer time) extinct kind of computer… antiX is one of the last OSes to support 32bits machines (there are some others out there, but fewer and fewer…).

Edit: my 32bits laptop also can’t run some 32bits browsers available in Package Manager – it seems it has to do with some features my old CPU lacks (and that some browsers need in order to run). My suggestion – use Palemoon/Seamonkey/Firefox-esr/Firefox – they seem to run in about 100% of 32bits CPU’s out there…

P.

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RE: My suggestion – use Palemoon/Seamonkey/Firefox-esr/Firefox – they seem to run in about 100% of 32bits CPU’s out there.

I agree.

Moreover, with about:config, you can modify default settings to make the way these browsers operate “close” to the way Firefox works.

For example:
general.useragent.compatMode.firefox;true

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madibi wrote:

Chromium is not secure because it is not updated

o_O

https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/i386/chromium/download

fresh v108

(if you 32-bit CPU support sse3)

• This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by user2022.

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Thank you for all this wealth of info. Could anybody tell if Firefox-ESR is more or less lightweight than the “normal” Firefox?

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Hi, when I am bothered of a slow response of web-browsers when using my low-end 64-bit PC, I resort to text-based browsers such as ‘lynx’ (or ‘elinks’, ‘links2’ etc.) for pages where the inconvenience is minor.
Such pages are usually not resource heavy themselves. Nevertheless, text-based browsing may eliminate some clutter such as ads/videos/scripts/images that would eat additional resources when viewed in modern GUI browsers.

I prefer ‘lynx’ for its key-board shortcut and option to number links (for easier/faster navigation).
‘links2’ can run in graphics mode when invoked with ‘links2 -g’ resulting into images being loaded.

@user2022: I see, chromium continues to support 32-bit but Google chrome built on (top of) chromium no longer does (at least for Linux).

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andfree wrote:

Thank you for all this wealth of info. Could anybody tell if Firefox-ESR is more or less lightweight than the “normal” Firefox?

Try grey_rat (https://www.antixforum.com/forums/users/grey_rat/) advices

for example
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/firefox-esr-update-to-91-4-1/page/5/#post-90616
https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/firefox-esr-update-to-91-4-1/page/3/#post-75033

i run FF-102 on my old P3-1.2 with 384 mb RAM, it work not good, but work…

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sybok wrote:

but Google chrome built on (top of) chromium no longer does (at least for Linux).

Yes.
Many browser using code from the chromium not work on 32-bit linux now 🙁
Google want drop support 32-bit windows (all old windows too) in 2023 year and it can complicate support 32-bit CPU in chromium
But i believe what debian team cat build chromium-i686 for debian family distributive

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Brian Masinick wrote:

with about:config, you can modify default settings to make the way these browsers operate “close” to the way Firefox works.

Thank you. But, couldn’t it make the operation of these browsers (Pale Moon, SeaMonkey) slower?

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[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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Thank you. But, couldn’t it make the operation of these browsers (Pale Moon, SeaMonkey) slower?

This should have minimal impact of Palemoon and Seamonkey; I use it all the time now on both of them.

For example:
general.useragent.compatMode.firefox;true

If there is any difference in memory use, it’s minimal; I’ll check Firefox versus these; I expect they save at least 50-100 MB, maybe more, over Firefox; hopefully I can get relative comparisons today.

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Mem: 1.2Gi with Firefox.

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Mem: 692Mi with Palemoon – more savings than I suggested!
Mem: 632Mi with Seamonkey!

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general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox;true
is the other parameter to use to get very similar behavior to Firefox.

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One other thing: even those values I shared are on my 64-bit system. When I used one of my other older systems recently, I compared my login memory use and it was less than half what it is on this system, so you can be sure on your 32-bit system that the 32-bit Palemoon and Seamonkey versions will be even more memory conservative than the values I shared for relative comparison.

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