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grey_rat
This does not fully restore hardware acceleration for OpenGL 2.0 graphics cards in Firefox 102+
layers.acceleration.force-enabled – true
gfx.webrender.unaccelerated-widget.force — true
gfx.webrender.all — false
gfx.webrender.enabled — falselayers.gpu-process.force-enabled – true (work any opengl, test needed)
In Antix 23a gfx.webrender.software.opengl – work
RJP
Seamonkey seems to be the best browser for an old computer like this Fujitsu.
$ inxi -b System: Host: antix1 Kernel: 4.9.0-326-antix.1-486-smp arch: i686 bits: 32 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.1 Distro: antiX-22_386-full Grup Yorum 18 October 2022 Machine: Type: Laptop System: FUJITSU SIEMENS product: LIFEBOOK C1110 v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: FUJITSU model: FJNB16F serial: <superuser required> BIOS: Phoenix/FUJITSU v: Version 1.25 date: 01/14/2004 Battery: ID-1: CMB1 charge: 34.6 Wh (63.3%) condition: 54.7/54.7 Wh (100.0%) CPU: Info: single core Intel Pentium M [N/A] speed (MHz): 600 min/max: 600/1400 Graphics: Device-1: Intel 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics driver: i915 v: kernel Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.20.11 driver: X: loaded: intel unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: i915 gpu: i915 resolution: 1024x768~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 1.3 Mesa 20.3.5 renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 852GM/855GM x86/MMX/SSE2 Network: Device-1: Realtek RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter driver: 8139too Device-2: Intel PRO/Wireless LAN 2100 3B Mini PCI Adapter driver: ipw2100 Drives: Local Storage: total: 93.16 GiB used: 16.61 GiB (17.8%) Info: Processes: 137 Uptime: 40m Memory: 991.6 MiB used: 283.7 MiB (28.6%) Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.25PPC
Generally speaking, for hardware that can’t effectivly run a “modern” web browser (like firefox-esr, firefox, or a chromium derived browser), seamonkey is one of the best choices. It’s what I use in my netbook- I installed the extension to open pdf’s on-line instead of always downloading them (I need that for work) and it’s my backup system.
Recently a brasilian youtuber (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIUV1t78Z7g) tested several browsers on a low resources computer and found seamonkey to be the best one… I doubt a bit about his methodology, but agree with his results…P.
Lead Farmer
Seamonkey seems to be the best browser for an old computer like this Fujitsu.
Use a Chromeuim or Brave with Ad Blocker like uBlock Origin, and NoScript extensions, you will need to manage the scripts with NoScript extension.
The browsers are CPU demanding, so there is limit what 1 core can do.
- This reply was modified 8 months, 3 weeks ago by Lead Farmer.
Use a Chromeuim or Brave with Ad Blocker like uBlock Origin, and NoScript extensions, you will need to manage the scripts with NoScript extension.
The browsers are CPU demanding, so there is limit what 1 core can do.
I have tested a lot of browsers, and Chromium kills old computer like this old Fujitsu. 😀
Brian MasinickI wholeheartedly recommend SeaMonkey when other browsers do not get the job done.
If even SeaMonkey has issues, you have bigger problems. One caveat seems to be that a few sites don’t work well with SeaMonkey any more, though I suspect that changing a few config values carefully can get around most of those issues. Palemoon is another alternative. Most other browsers outside of Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, Palemoon or SeaMonkey are likely to either have vulnerabilities or limitations, but that’s not to say they are useless; having a couple different browsers may be helpful for accessing certain pages in a limited capacity and using one of these others in the rest of the scenarios.
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Brian MasinickBrian MasinickI’ve updated most of my other systems on my Dell today, so I’m now here with antiX 23 in its current Alpha stage, and I’m going to see if I can successfully use it for most of the remainder of the day. I updated the system, grabbed the stats, then opened the SeaMonkey browser and I’m here now to report the previously grabbed statistics prior to opening the browser.
sudo ps_mem.py; pinxi -b Private + Shared = RAM used Program 108.0 KiB + 17.5 KiB = 125.5 KiB runit 132.0 KiB + 23.5 KiB = 155.5 KiB runsvdir 148.0 KiB + 29.5 KiB = 177.5 KiB seatd 300.0 KiB + 109.5 KiB = 409.5 KiB cron 404.0 KiB + 137.0 KiB = 541.0 KiB svlogd (4) 364.0 KiB + 270.5 KiB = 634.5 KiB udevil 364.0 KiB + 280.5 KiB = 644.5 KiB icewm-session [updated] 436.0 KiB + 464.0 KiB = 900.0 KiB avahi-daemon (2) 732.0 KiB + 251.0 KiB = 983.0 KiB dbus-launch (2) 648.0 KiB + 427.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB devmon 692.0 KiB + 447.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB getty (5) 808.0 KiB + 408.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB desktop-session 844.0 KiB + 789.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB sudo (2) 1.1 MiB + 625.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB dbus-daemon (4) 1.6 MiB + 332.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB udevd 1.6 MiB + 433.0 KiB = 2.1 MiB runsv (18) 2.0 MiB + 461.5 KiB = 2.4 MiB bash 2.1 MiB + 390.5 KiB = 2.5 MiB bluetoothd 2.8 MiB + 649.5 KiB = 3.5 MiB cupsd 2.2 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 3.6 MiB sshd 3.6 MiB + 246.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB connmand 3.6 MiB + 853.5 KiB = 4.5 MiB at-spi-bus-launcher 4.2 MiB + 732.5 KiB = 4.9 MiB conky 4.7 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 6.0 MiB wpa_supplicant 5.2 MiB + 2.6 MiB = 7.8 MiB icewm [updated] 8.9 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 10.5 MiB slimski 11.9 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 13.4 MiB ntpd 9.9 MiB + 4.7 MiB = 14.6 MiB zzzfm 12.0 MiB + 6.0 MiB = 18.0 MiB roxterm 85.8 MiB + 1.7 MiB = 87.5 MiB Xorg --------------------------------- 198.1 MiB ================================= System: Host: antix23 Kernel: 6.1.10-antix.1-amd64-smp arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: IceWM v: 3.3.2 Distro: antiX-23-runit_x64-full Grup Yorum 3 February 2023 Machine: Type: Laptop System: Dell product: Inspiron 5558 v: N/A serial: <superuser required> Mobo: Dell model: 086DKN v: A00 serial: <superuser required> UEFI: Dell v: A18 date: 12/30/2019 Battery: ID-1: BAT0 charge: 30.1 Wh (100.0%) condition: 30.1/41.4 Wh (72.6%) CPU: Info: dual core Intel Core i7-5500U [MT MCP] speed (MHz): avg: 778 min/max: 500/3000 Graphics: Device-1: Intel HD Graphics 5500 driver: i915 v: kernel Device-2: NVIDIA GK208BM [GeForce 920M] driver: N/A Device-3: Suyin Integrated_Webcam_HD type: USB driver: uvcvideo Display: server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa dri: iris gpu: i915 resolution: 1366x768~60Hz API: OpenGL v: 4.6 Mesa 22.3.3 renderer: Mesa Intel HD Graphics 5500 (BDW GT2) Network: Device-1: Intel Wireless 3160 driver: iwlwifi Device-2: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet driver: r8169 Device-3: Intel Bluetooth wireless interface type: USB driver: btusb Drives: Local Storage: total: 447.13 GiB used: 13.36 GiB (3.0%) Info: Processes: 168 Uptime: 1m Memory: 7.69 GiB used: 548.9 MiB (7.0%) Shell: Bash pinxi: 3.3.25-3--
Brian MasinickBrian MasinickWith SeaMonkey active and two tabs open, here’s the updated usage, pretty reasonable:
sudo ps_mem.py Private + Shared = RAM used Program 108.0 KiB + 17.5 KiB = 125.5 KiB runit 132.0 KiB + 22.5 KiB = 154.5 KiB runsvdir 148.0 KiB + 28.5 KiB = 176.5 KiB seatd 300.0 KiB + 100.5 KiB = 400.5 KiB cron 404.0 KiB + 133.0 KiB = 537.0 KiB svlogd (4) 364.0 KiB + 232.5 KiB = 596.5 KiB udevil 364.0 KiB + 241.5 KiB = 605.5 KiB icewm-session [updated] 436.0 KiB + 455.0 KiB = 891.0 KiB avahi-daemon (2) 732.0 KiB + 231.0 KiB = 963.0 KiB dbus-launch (2) 648.0 KiB + 419.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB devmon 576.0 KiB + 498.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB gconfd-2 692.0 KiB + 434.5 KiB = 1.1 MiB getty (5) 808.0 KiB + 400.5 KiB = 1.2 MiB desktop-session 840.0 KiB + 789.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB sudo (2) 1.1 MiB + 592.0 KiB = 1.7 MiB dbus-daemon (4) 1.6 MiB + 324.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB udevd 1.6 MiB + 417.0 KiB = 2.0 MiB runsv (18) 2.0 MiB + 453.5 KiB = 2.4 MiB bash 2.1 MiB + 356.5 KiB = 2.5 MiB bluetoothd 2.8 MiB + 637.5 KiB = 3.5 MiB cupsd 2.2 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 3.6 MiB sshd 3.6 MiB + 208.5 KiB = 3.9 MiB connmand 3.0 MiB + 962.5 KiB = 4.0 MiB at-spi-bus-launcher 4.2 MiB + 607.5 KiB = 4.7 MiB conky 4.7 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 6.0 MiB wpa_supplicant 5.2 MiB + 2.3 MiB = 7.5 MiB icewm [updated] 8.8 MiB + 1.4 MiB = 10.1 MiB slimski 11.9 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 13.4 MiB ntpd 9.5 MiB + 4.1 MiB = 13.6 MiB zzzfm 12.0 MiB + 5.3 MiB = 17.2 MiB roxterm 86.8 MiB + 4.5 MiB = 91.3 MiB Xorg 386.3 MiB + 8.2 MiB = 394.5 MiB seamonkey --------------------------------- 594.2 MiB =================================--
Brian MasinickBrian MasinickI wholeheartedly recommend SeaMonkey when other browsers do not get the job done.
If even SeaMonkey has issues, you have bigger problems. One caveat seems to be that a few sites don’t work well with SeaMonkey any more, though I suspect that changing a few config values carefully can get around most of those issues. Palemoon is another alternative. Most other browsers outside of Firefox, Chrome, Chromium, Palemoon or SeaMonkey are likely to either have vulnerabilities or limitations, but that’s not to say they are useless; having a couple different browsers may be helpful for accessing certain pages in a limited capacity and using one of these others in the rest of the scenarios.
Also, both SeaMonkey and Palemoon can be configured to behave like Firefox by using the following setting.
Seamonkey/Palemoon about:config to achieve Firefox behavior: general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox boolean true
To set this, in a browser tab, type about:config
then add the string
general.useragent.compatMode.strict-firefox
set the type to boolean, then toggle the setting to true and either restart the browser or refresh the tabs.--
Brian MasinickFenyo
Hello and Happy Easter Wishes for all of us, time for some old browser updates/summary update;
As the soil stratifies and ages with the deeper layers, I move from top to bottom with the cpu layers;
“Jurassic era“, the advent of SSE2-capable cpus, belonging to this family; Pentium 4 and Celeron, Mobile derivates (Willamete, Northwood, Prescott), Pentium M / Celeron M (Banias, Dothan), Core2 T2xx0 series (Yonah) and Via C7 (Esther). Although these processors are considered rather archaic nowadays, thanks to SSE2, most of today’s browsers will run on them without any modifications;
– New Moon 32.1.0 – Based on PaleMoon 32.1.0 source code and built under CentOS 7 with fully default (SSE2 capable cpu required) settings (so if there was an official 32bit Linux Palemoon release, this build (aka NewMoon) would be as close as possible), so glibc 2.17 is the minimum requirement, and it will run on any 32bit distro 2014 or later (e.g. 14.04 (Trusty) based Ubuntu or 8 (Jessie) based Debian and newer based distros). all past and future builds will be available here
– Seamonkey and Firefox still produce official 32bit Linux builds, which if you are using an actively supported distro are usually available from its repo, if you are using an older one that only gets security updates (e.g. ELTS (Debian 8+) or ESM (Ubuntu 14.04.+)), they can be downloaded from the official homepages in bz2/xz compressed tarball format (Here are the FF releases and here are the Seamonkey ones)“Triassic era”, the advent of SSE-capable cpus, belonging to this family; PIII (and Celeron, mobile derivates (Katmai, Coppermine, Tualatin)), Athlon-Xp/Geode NX/K7 based Sempron, Morgan or newer core Duron, Via C3 Nehemiah, usually cpus that have sse, but lack sse2 instruction set (according to the palaeontologists’ handbook :));
– New Moon SSE 32.1.0 – Based on PaleMoon 32.1.0 source code, and built under Debian 8 (required glibc 2.19) with clang-7 so it hasnt got any newer gcc requirement, it is run by out of the box on any Debian 8 or newer 32 bit Debian based distros. all past and future builds will be available here
– SSErpent 20230405 – Based on Basilisk 20230404 source code and built under Debian 8 (required glibc 2.19) with clang-7 so it hasnt got any newer gcc requirement, it is run by out of the box on any Debian 8 or newer 32 bit Debian based distros. all past and future builds will be available here
– Seamonkey SSE 2.53.16 – Based on Seamonkey 2.53.16 source code and built under Debian 8 (glibc 2.19) with gcc-7 which is required to run under Debian 8/9, under Debian 10/11 based distros run by out of the box. all past and future builds will be available here
– Firefox SSE 91.13 ESR – Based on Firefox ESR 91.13 source code and built under Debian 9 with gcc-7 which is required (glibc 2.27) to run under Debian 9, under Debian 10 based distros run out of the box and under Debian 11 based distros needs the libffi6 lib, but Debian 11 already has version 7, luckily a simple symlink fixes the issue; e.g. with “sudo ln -s /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libffi.so.7 /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libffi.so.6” command. all past and future builds will be available here“Perm era”, the advent of cmov-capable cpus, belonging to this family; Pentium Pro, Pentium II (and Mendocino Celeron), Athlon (from Argon to Thunderbird), Duron (Spitfire), usually cpus that have cmov, but lack sse instruction set, a small but forward-looking family, an ancestor of every modern mammal, I want to say cpu. 🙂 ;
– New Moon IA32 32.1.0 – Based on PaleMoon 32.1.0 source code and built under Debian 8 (required glibc 2.19) with clang-7 so it hasnt got any newer gcc requirement, it is run by out of the box on any Debian 8 or newer 32 bit Debian based distros. all past and future builds will be available here
– Serpent IA32 20230405 – Based on Basilisk 20230404 source code and built under Debian 8 (required glibc 2.19) with clang-7 so it hasnt got any newer gcc requirement, it is run by out of the box on any Debian 8 or newer 32 bit Debian based distros. all past and future builds will be available here
– Seamonkey IA32 2.53.16 – Based on Seamonkey 2.53.16 source code and built under Debian 8 (glibc 2.19) with gcc-7 which is required to run under Debian 8/9, under Debian 10/11 based distros run by out of the box. all past and future builds will be available hereto be continued in the next post (the forum engine thinks I write too much)
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“Carbon era”, were promising in their day, but times have changed, belonging to this family; usually cpus that have 3dnow, but lack cmov instruction set, like Amd K6-x series (k6-2/k6-2+/k6-3/k6-3+, Geode LX, some Via cpus (C3 Samuel, C3 Samuel 2 and C3 Ezra);
– NewMoon 3DNow 32.1.0 – Based on PaleMoon 32.1.0 source code and built under Debian 8 (required glibc 2.19) with clang-7 so it hasnt got any newer gcc requirement, it is run by out of the box on Debian 8. Of course it works with other 3dnow capable cpus on Debian 8 or newer 32bit Debian based distros, but this is only relevant for low-end low-clock Duron/Athlon configurations with low amount of memory, because it will probably run faster than IA32 builds. all past and future builds will be available here
– Seamonkey 3DNow 2.53.16 – Based on Seamonkey 2.53.16 source code and built under Debian 8 (glibc 2.19) with gcc-7 which is required to run under Debian 8/9, under Debian 10/11 based distros run by out of the box, of course under Debian 9+ is only relevant for low-end low-clock Duron/Athlon configurations with low amount of memory, because it will probably run faster than IA32 builds. all past and future builds will be available hereI chose the Debian 8/9 base because it seems to be a sweet spot for these old cpus, so if you want to use Debian 8/9 based distros (which still receive security updates with ELTS), the above builds built under Debian 8/9, you will need to compile gcc-7 from source (except for NewMoon and Serpent), or here are the versions i have already compiled and just have to copy it under /opt (or you can also use glibc tweak or just install gcc-mozilla package from Debian 9 repo, but this is only works for Firefox and Seamonkey) ). Debian 10 and 11 already have newer compilers by default, so there’s nothing to do with this for distros based on those. All browsers are in english, but except for Serpent, which has no language files, all others the official language packs can be installed on them. All above linked browsers are in xz/bz2 compressed tarball format (so you just have to unpack and test them (e.g. run (usually with alt+f2) with /home/pathtowhereyouextracted/firefox-esr/firefox-esr), if you like you just have to create a launcher for them). Here is an example of how to create a launcher for Palemoon, obviously you have to modify the paths and the name/locations of the launcher application, but it’s good for analogy. explained another way, English is not my native language
Under Firefox for better performance, enable the webrender.force-disabled and the gfx.xrender.enabled option in the about:config tab, and if you have opengl 2.0 capable vga card (Ati 9500 or better, Nvidia Geforce 6 or better) enable the layers.acceleration.force-enabled and the layers.low-precision-buffer option and disable the layers.async-pan-zoom.enabled and the layers.componentalpha.enabled option (these are not stable all vga/driver combination so test it, usually openscoure Ati/Amd and proprietary Nvidia is Ok), except webrender all above these settings are also valid for Seamonkey too. Under Palemoon/Basilisk only, under the preferences advanced tab, just enable the hardware acceleration if possible option and the last 3 options mentioned above.
Suggested addon is ublock-origin for Firefox, and for the Palemoon/Basilsik eMatrix or ublock origin legacy and for Seamonkey only ublock origin legacy version.And here’s all the stuff I pushed to archive.org.
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olsztyn
Very interesting study of timeline of dependencies – CPUs and browsers…
Great resource in one place.
Thank you @ Fenyo!Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
http://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
marcelocripeIn Firefox 115a brought back performance for older PCs, but you need to go to about:config
Tested on eeePC900 (GMA900 without support WDDM, SSE2 900Mhz CPU) windows 7.For Debian http://ftp.mozilla.org./pub/firefox/nightly/2023/05/2023-05-14-09-08-31-mozilla-central/
firefox-115.0a1.en-US.linux-i686.deb
firefox-115.0a1.en-US.linux-x86_64.debWaiting for antix 23b 32 bit for tests
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