Browsers for old CPUs

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Thanks for doing this, Fenyo.
I also have an Athlon XP 2400+ 🙂 The non-SSE2 thing is a big drawback to what was a pretty beefy setup, back about 20 years ago.
I’ll have to try this out, when I get the time.

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28.10.0 […] find its source code

Here: https://repo.palemoon.org/mcp-graveyard/Pale-Moon/releases/tag/28.10.0_Release

[Member Fenyo]

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Thanks, but this is too small source code, only 5 mb, usually it should be around 300 mb, but it’s okay I found a way to complie newer versions, I uploaded it to the location above. I’ve also tested it with a P3 (1 Ghz Cumine), it works but it’s very slow, so the theoretical requirement is sse (Cumine / Tualatin P3 / Celeron, any Athlon Xp, K7 Sempron, and any Morgan or newer core Duron), but for usability I think at least it need it minimum 1400-1500 mhz real clock, so the smaller Durons and the complete Cumine family are out of luck.
On the software side, it works on Debian 9, 10 and Ubuntu 18.04 base, for older distros have to complie with CentOS 6 with devtoolset, i’ve an old setup, but the complie failed nearly and of the procedure because libxul brake some rules, so packaging didnt finish. Maybe clean install help for it…

[Member Fenyo]

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Update: I was also able to complie the latest Palemoon with sse on Debian 9 and on Centos 6 (for really old distros, it can be run every 2011 or newer based distro) version 29.1.0, available at the previously linked site, i was also complied some O3 optimized builds opposed the normal O2 builds it may have some slightly performance gain, but I’m not tested so much, so feel free to try/compare it.

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[Member user2022]

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Fenyo wrote:

I was also able to complie the latest Palemoon with sse on Debian 9 and on Centos 6

Hello!

Yours version can work only Athlon or can work on Pentium-3 too?

I try rebuild package from stevenpusser (https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home:stevenpusser&package=palemoon) for pentium-3 by recipe sparty411 ( https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/browser-for-non-sse2-processor/#post-27309)
but ld can’t make libxul – out of memory…

[Member Fenyo]

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Hello,

It works on Pentium 3 (Katmai core or newer) and Coppermine core or newer Celerons or any Athlon XP (Palomino or newer core) or Morgan and any newer core Duron or any K7 Sempron too, Centos 6 complied versions works Precise or newer base Ubuntu or Wheezy or newer based Debian distros, usually any distro since 2012 released.

[Member user2022]

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Yes. Thank you. I tested on IC-3-tualatin and debian 9

> works Precise

It cool because on 12.04 worked only palemoon-27 and it too old. I will try run your version 🙂

I compiled deb only with
LDFLAGS=-Wl,–no-keep-memory make -f client.mk build
in
rules file

[Member Fenyo]

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Only “issues” with the Precise is the live streams (like Twitchtv), the solution is just go to the about:config in Palemoon and enable media.libavcodec.allow~obsolete and restart the browser and it already works, Wheezy or newer base works live streams with out of the box.

[Member Pap]

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Browser is always a problem for old machines. I own two notebooks with better specifications than some of you mentioned in this thread, in the sense they have 1Gb of RAM and a CPU better than P II. Still, I do have issues with browsers. None of the “modern” browsers is designed for such oldies. However, I managed to get a somewhat decent experience with some tricks:

* When programming, all you really need is to do some searching and mostly read text with some images. For that, Links2 is a decent solution. Personally, I use Emacs’ eww mode, which I find better, because I use Emacs for programming and browser is just another Emacs’ buffer. Either way, the memory footprint is minimal, and I barely see any difference compared to a high-end system.
* For lightweight browsing (no videos on Youtube), Firefox is ok, and none of the other browsers I tried performed better. antiX is very lightweight and can withstand the browser’s memory impact, which is serious (in my case, ~90 Mb of used memory becomes ~400 Mb just by starting Firefox). Videos are played with good performance in some cases, but never on Youtube.
* For Youtube videos, SMTube + SMPlayer (or mpv) is the best solution I found. In most cases, I get not just acceptable, but actually good performance. This is impossible otherwise, certainly not with Youtube on Firefox.

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[Member user2022]

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Fenyo wrote:

Only “issues” with the Precise is the live streams (like Twitchtv), the solution is just go to the about:config in Palemoon and enable media.libavcodec.allow~obsolete and restart the browser and it already works

I tested yours version in Lubuntu 12.04 – works fine. Thank you!

[Member Stéphane Ascoët]

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SMTube + SMPlayer

What is it?

And I’m surprised to not read any of you talking about Invidious, witch is amazing(example. I’ve tried, among so much others ones, at least very briefly (on a “Core2 Duo” recently, I won’t talk about the dozens I reviewed in my life) W3m, Dillo, Surf, Netsurf, Gnome Web Epiphany, Pale Moon. This last one is the nearest to my idea of a perfect browser, even more than the amazing TenFourFox, Xombrero or “links2 -g”.

[Member clementishutin]

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Both Firefox and Gnome Web (epiphany) can be used to test https://html5test.com. The only issue I found is that Gnome Web lacks WebRTC and WebGL2 capabilities. WebRTC can be handy for connecting directly to other browsers; examples include games, internet telephony, and so on.

[Member ModdIt]

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Hi stephane, you ask what is SMTube + SMPlayer, SM Tube may be considered a media (often youtube) browser

Playback of YT Video in a browser will often overload old PC or laptops wheareas the videos can be played with more
suitable lightweight applications.

Included in antiX multimedia:
SM Tube is a tool to search and browse media offered on you tube
SMPlayer the standard video player used in playing of media selected with the SM Tube application.

[Member user2022]

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Hello!

I build PaleMoon-31.1 for P-III Athlon (CPU with out sse2) on devuan-2 (mx-17 / debian 9 stretch and Co)

But PaleMoon-31 wanted gcc-7.1 and i it get from http://mxrepo.com/mx/experimental/pool/test/g/

It build and work on my Intel Celeron 1,2 GHz Tualatin for Socket 370

Browser https://disk.yandex.ru/d/nDx5x5rqBTZcJA

Need http://mxrepo.com/mx/experimental/pool/test/g/gcc-8/libgcc1_8.3.0-6~mx17+1_i386.deb and http://mxrepo.com/mx/experimental/pool/test/g/gcc-8/gcc-8-base_8.3.0-6~mx17+1_i386.deb

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user2022 wrote:

Hello!

I build PaleMoon-31.1 for P-III Athlon (CPU with out sse2) on devuan-2 (mx-17 / debian 9 stretch and Co)

But PaleMoon-31 wanted gcc-7.1 and i it get from http://mxrepo.com/mx/experimental/pool/test/g/

It build and work on my Intel Celeron 1,2 GHz Tualatin for Socket 370

Browser https://disk.yandex.ru/d/nDx5x5rqBTZcJA

Need http://mxrepo.com/mx/experimental/pool/test/g/gcc-8/libgcc1_8.3.0-6~mx17+1_i386.deb and http://mxrepo.com/mx/experimental/pool/test/g/gcc-8/gcc-8-base_8.3.0-6~mx17+1_i386.deb

Can you upload your .mozconfig and your rules files to github or archive.org or somewhere so I can see them? I’d like to try building a non-sse2 version. Are there any other files you changed or options you used?

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