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I finally did a build up from core, I used IceWM and roaming WiFi. I did it on the old Dell D620. I should be able to get memory used to about 65.0 mb. I’m at 71.0 mb now, but that’s using Xterm and 5 getty sessions, no Conky, no Background. I just wanted to see if I could get it to work…
I didn’t have major problems. The worst problem was getting X to run when not root, needing to add 2 lines to /etc/X11/Xrapper.config.
allowed_users=console needs_root_rights=yesI will see if I can get the history and a memory readout next time I bring up the browser. I suppose its not totally realistic with no conky or screensaver, but it was quite an adventure to get it loaded and get X windows to come up and work.
Memory footprint:
Private + Shared = RAM used Program 216.0 KiB + 54.0 KiB = 270.0 KiB startx 220.0 KiB + 53.0 KiB = 273.0 KiB gpm 208.0 KiB + 67.5 KiB = 275.5 KiB x-session-manag 280.0 KiB + 88.0 KiB = 368.0 KiB init 344.0 KiB + 57.5 KiB = 401.5 KiB wpa_cli 364.0 KiB + 64.5 KiB = 428.5 KiB acpid 292.0 KiB + 137.0 KiB = 429.0 KiB cron 244.0 KiB + 203.5 KiB = 447.5 KiB xinit 364.0 KiB + 195.5 KiB = 559.5 KiB dbus-launch 380.0 KiB + 421.0 KiB = 801.0 KiB ck-launch-session 476.0 KiB + 332.5 KiB = 808.5 KiB su 592.0 KiB + 289.0 KiB = 881.0 KiB login 680.0 KiB + 593.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB dbus-daemon (2) 748.0 KiB + 600.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB getty (5) 1.4 MiB + 101.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB udevd 1.5 MiB + 111.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB rsyslogd 984.0 KiB + 775.5 KiB = 1.7 MiB icewmbg 1.1 MiB + 898.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB icewmtray 1.7 MiB + 1.0 MiB = 2.7 MiB console-kit-daemon 2.2 MiB + 632.0 KiB = 2.9 MiB dhclient (2) 2.9 MiB + 102.0 KiB = 3.0 MiB wpa_supplicant 3.0 MiB + 893.5 KiB = 3.8 MiB polkitd 5.1 MiB + 1.5 MiB = 6.5 MiB bash (3) 5.9 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 7.1 MiB icewm 6.9 MiB + 666.5 KiB = 7.6 MiB xterm 18.8 MiB + 712.5 KiB = 19.5 MiB Xorg --------------------------------- 68.2 MiB =================================So what did I install on top of core? I use a program called comm to compare the antix install list to a current list, and what wasn’t there in core is listed here. My notes say I should (ie untested at this point) be able to process add list onto a core install with:
xargs -a pkgschgd.add.txt apt-get install`Too bad I haven’t been able to figure out how to port ksnakeduel to a non-kde environment. It really brought a lot in with it. But I like playing it, oh well.
Menus are working, but many programs aren’t on them. Haven’t investigated that, yet.
I don’t like the standard theme, wish I had my rollup shade windows, oh well.
Anyway, for one evening’s work I did fairly well…
Anyone know a way to take this list and remove from it all the packages required by any other on the list?
acpid acpi-support acpi-support-base acpitool adwaita-icon-theme aisleriot alsamixer-equalizer-antix apt-file aptitude aptitude-common arandr aspell aspell-en at-spi2-core autokey-common autokey-gtk clipit conky-legacy-all cpp cpp-6 dbus-x11 dconf-gsettings-backend:amd64 dconf-service deborphan desktop-file-utils dictionaries-common diskscan docbook-xml docbook-xsl emacsen-common esound-common ethtool exfat-fuse exfat-utils f3 feh ffmpeg fonts-dejavu-core gcolor2 gconf2 gconf2-common gconf-service gcr geany geany-common gexec giblib1:amd64 gir1.2-atk-1.0:amd64 gir1.2-freedesktop:amd64 gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0:amd64 gir1.2-glib-2.0:amd64 gir1.2-gtk-3.0:amd64 gir1.2-gtksource-3.0:amd64 gir1.2-notify-0.7:amd64 gir1.2-pango-1.0:amd64 gksu glib-networking:amd64 glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnome-keyring gnome-mpv gparted gpm gsettings-desktop-schemas gstreamer1.0-alsa:amd64 gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad:amd64 gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:amd64 gstreamer1.0-plugins-good:amd64 gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly:amd64 gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:amd64 gstreamer1.0-tools gtk2-engines:amd64 gtk2-engines-murrine:amd64 gtkdialog guile-2.0-libs:amd64 icewm icewm-common icewm-themes-antix iso-codes kate-data katepart kdelibs5-data kdelibs5-plugins kdelibs-bin kde-runtime kde-runtime-data kdoctools ksnakeduel liba52-0.7.4:amd64 libaa1:amd64 libappindicator1:amd64 libapt-pkg-perl libaspell15:amd64 libass5:amd64 libatasmart4:amd64 libatk-bridge2.0-0:amd64 libatkmm-1.6-1v5:amd64 libatomic1:amd64 libatspi2.0-0:amd64 libattica0.4:amd64 libaudclient2:amd64 libaudiofile1:amd64 libavc1394-0:amd64 libavcodec57:amd64 libavdevice57:amd64 libavfilter6:amd64 libavformat57:amd64 libavresample3:amd64 libavutil55:amd64 libbluray1:amd64 libboost-filesystem1.62.0:amd64 libboost-iostreams1.62.0:amd64 libboost-system1.62.0:amd64 libbs2b0:amd64 libcaca0:amd64 libcairo-gobject2:amd64 libcairomm-1.0-1v5:amd64 libcairo-perl libcanberra0:amd64 libcanberra-gtk3-0:amd64 libcanberra-gtk3-module:amd64 libcap2-bin libcdio13:amd64 libcdio-cdda1:amd64 libcdio-paranoia1:amd64 libcdparanoia0:amd64 libchromaprint1:amd64 libclucene-core1v5:amd64 libcolord2:amd64 libcrystalhd3:amd64 libcwidget3v5:amd64 libdbusmenu-glib4:amd64 libdbusmenu-gtk4:amd64 libdbusmenu-qt2:amd64 libdc1394-22:amd64 libdca0:amd64 libdconf1:amd64 libde265-0:amd64 libdlrestrictions1 libdpkg-perl libdrm-amdgpu1:amd64 libdrm-intel1:amd64 libdrm-nouveau2:amd64 libdrm-radeon1:amd64 libdv4:amd64 libdvdnav4:amd64 libdvdread4:amd64 libebur128-1:amd64 libedit2:amd64 libenchant1c2a:amd64 libencode-locale-perl libepoxy0:amd64 libept1.5.0:amd64 libesd0:amd64 libexif12:amd64 libexiv2-14:amd64 libexporter-tiny-perl libfaad2:amd64 libfam0:amd64 libffmpegthumbnailer4v5 libfftw3-double3:amd64 libfile-listing-perl libflite1:amd64 libfluidsynth1:amd64 libfontenc1:amd64 libfribidi0:amd64 libgc1c2:amd64 libgck-1-0:amd64 libgconf-2-4:amd64 libgcr-3-common libgcr-base-3-1:amd64 libgcr-ui-3-1:amd64 libgif7:amd64 libgirepository-1.0-1:amd64 libgksu2-0 libgl1-mesa-dri:amd64 libglade2-0:amd64 libglew2.0:amd64 libglibmm-2.4-1v5:amd64 libglib-perl libglu1-mesa:amd64 libgme0:amd64 libgnome-keyring0:amd64 libgnome-keyring-common libgpgme11:amd64 libgpgme++2v5 libgsm1:amd64 libgstreamer1.0-0:amd64 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0:amd64 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0:amd64 libgtk2-perl libgtk-3-0:amd64 libgtk-3-common libgtkmm-2.4-1v5:amd64 libgtksourceview-3.0-1:amd64 libgtksourceview-3.0-common libgtop-2.0-10:amd64 libgtop2-common libharfbuzz-icu0:amd64 libhtml-parser-perl libhtml-tagset-perl libhtml-tree-perl libhttp-cookies-perl libhttp-date-perl libhttp-message-perl libhttp-negotiate-perl libhunspell-1.4-0:amd64 libhyphen0:amd64 libid3tag0:amd64 libiec61883-0:amd64 libilmbase12:amd64 libimlib2:amd64 libindicator7:amd64 libiodbc2:amd64 libio-html-perl libio-socket-ssl-perl libisl15:amd64 libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18:amd64 libjpeg-turbo-progs libjson-glib-1.0-0:amd64 libjson-glib-1.0-common libkactivities6 libkate1:amd64 libkatepartinterfaces4 libkcmutils4 libkde3support4 libkdeclarative5 libkdecore5 libkdegames6abi1 libkdegamesprivate1abi1 libkdesu5 libkdeui5 libkdewebkit5 libkdnssd4 libkemoticons4 libkeybinder0 libkfile4 libkhtml5 libkio5 libkjsapi4 libkjsembed4 libkmediaplayer4 libknewstuff3-4 libknotifyconfig4 libkntlm4 libkparts4 libkpty4 libkrosscore4 libktexteditor4 libkxmlrpcclient4 liblcms2-2:amd64 libldb1:amd64 liblilv-0-0 liblist-moreutils-perl libllvm3.9:amd64 liblua5.2-0:amd64 liblwp-mediatypes-perl liblwp-protocol-https-perl libmad0:amd64 libmhash2:amd64 libmjpegutils-2.1-0 libmms0:amd64 libmng1:amd64 libmodplug1:amd64 libmp3lame0:amd64 libmpc3:amd64 libmpcdec6:amd64 libmpeg2-4:amd64 libmpeg2encpp-2.1-0 libmplex2-2.1-0 libmpv1:amd64 libnepomuk4 libnepomukquery4a libnepomukutils4 libnet-http-perl libnet-ssleay-perl libnl-route-3-200:amd64 libnotify4:amd64 libntrack0 libntrack-qt4-1 libnuma1:amd64 libofa0:amd64 libopencore-amrnb0:amd64 libopencore-amrwb0:amd64 libopencv-calib3d2.4v5:amd64 libopencv-core2.4v5:amd64 libopencv-features2d2.4v5:amd64 libopencv-flann2.4v5:amd64 libopencv-highgui2.4-deb0:amd64 libopencv-imgproc2.4v5:amd64 libopencv-objdetect2.4v5:amd64 libopencv-video2.4v5:amd64 libopenexr22:amd64 libopenjp2-7:amd64 libopenmpt0:amd64 liborc-0.4-0:amd64 libpam-gnome-keyring:amd64 libpango1.0-0:amd64 libpangomm-1.4-1v5:amd64 libpango-perl libpangox-1.0-0:amd64 libpangoxft-1.0-0:amd64 libparted-fs-resize0:amd64 libpciaccess0:amd64 libpcre2-8-0:amd64 libpgm-5.2-0:amd64 libphonon4:amd64 libplasma3 libpolkit-agent-1-0:amd64 libpolkit-backend-1-0:amd64 libpolkit-qt-1-1:amd64 libpostproc54:amd64 libpulse-mainloop-glib0:amd64 libpython2.7:amd64 libqca2:amd64 libqt4-dbus:amd64 libqt4-declarative:amd64 libqt4-designer:amd64 libqt4-network:amd64 libqt4-opengl:amd64 libqt4-qt3support:amd64 libqt4-script:amd64 libqt4-sql:amd64 libqt4-svg:amd64 libqt4-xml:amd64 libqt4-xmlpatterns:amd64 libqt5svg5:amd64 libqtcore4:amd64 libqtdbus4:amd64 libqtgui4:amd64 libqtwebkit4:amd64 libraptor2-0:amd64 librarian0 librasqal3:amd64 libraw1394-11:amd64 librdf0:amd64 libregexp-assemble-perl librest-0.7-0:amd64 librubberband2:amd64 libsbc1:amd64 libsdl2-2.0-0:amd64 libsecret-1-0:amd64 libsecret-common libsensors4:amd64 libserd-0-0:amd64 libshine3:amd64 libshout3:amd64 libsidplay1v5 libsigc++-2.0-0v5:amd64 libsmbclient:amd64 libsnappy1v5:amd64 libsodium18:amd64 libsolid4 libsoprano4 libsord-0-0:amd64 libsoundtouch1:amd64 libsoup2.4-1:amd64 libsoup-gnome2.4-1:amd64 libsoxr0:amd64 libspandsp2:amd64 libspeex1:amd64 libsratom-0-0:amd64 libsrtp0 libssh-gcrypt-4:amd64 libstartup-notification0:amd64 libswresample2:amd64 libswscale4:amd64 libtag1v5:amd64 libtag1v5-vanilla:amd64 libtalloc2:amd64 libtbb2:amd64 libtdb1:amd64 libtevent0:amd64 libtheora0:amd64 libthreadweaver4 libtimedate-perl libturbojpeg0:amd64 libtwolame0:amd64 libudisks2-0:amd64 liburi-perl libv4l-0:amd64 libv4lconvert0:amd64 libva1:amd64 libva-drm1:amd64 libva-wayland1:amd64 libva-x11-1:amd64 libvdpau1:amd64 libvisual-0.4-0:amd64 libvo-aacenc0:amd64 libvo-amrwbenc0:amd64 libvorbisfile3:amd64 libvpx4:amd64 libvte-2.91-0:amd64 libvte-2.91-common libvte9 libvte-common libwavpack1:amd64 libwayland-cursor0:amd64 libwayland-egl1-mesa:amd64 libwbclient0:amd64 libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37:amd64 libwebp6:amd64 libwebpmux2:amd64 libwebrtc-audio-processing1:amd64 libwildmidi2:amd64 libwildmidi-config libwww-perl libwww-robotrules-perl libx264-148:amd64 libx265-95:amd64 libx86-1:amd64 libxaw7:amd64 libxdo3:amd64 libxfce4ui-common libxfont1:amd64 libxfont2:amd64 libxft2:amd64 libxkbfile1:amd64 libxklavier16:amd64 libxml2-utils libxmmsclient6 libxmu6:amd64 libxmuu1:amd64 libxnvctrl0:amd64 libxpm4:amd64 libxslt1.1:amd64 libxss1:amd64 libxv1:amd64 libxvidcore4:amd64 libxvmc1:amd64 libxxf86dga1:amd64 libyajl2:amd64 libzbar0:amd64 libzmq5:amd64 libzvbi0:amd64 libzvbi-common lm-sensors lxappearance lxkeymap lxtask lxterminal mediterranean-themes menu-xdg mesa-utils mrxvt mrxvt-common mrxvt-mini murrine-themes ntrack-module-libnl-0 oxygen-icon-theme p11-kit p11-kit-modules:amd64 palemoon perl-openssl-defaults:amd64 phonon:amd64 phonon-backend-gstreamer:amd64 phonon-backend-gstreamer-common:amd64 pinentry-gnome3 pkg-config plasma-scriptengine-javascript pmount pm-utils policykit-1 powermgmt-base python-dbus python-gi python-gobject python-keybinder python-pyinotify python-simplejson python-talloc python-xklavier python-xlib qdbus qtchooser qtcore4-l10n rarian-compat rox-filer samba-libs:amd64 screenshot-antix scrot sgml-base sgml-data simplescreenrecorder soprano-daemon spacefm-common spacefm-gtk3 synaptic udev udevil udisks2 vbetool wmctrl wpagui x11-utils x11-xkb-utils x11-xserver-utils xauth xbattbar xbitmaps xclip xdemineur xdg-utils xdotool xfce-keyboard-shortcuts xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xfonts-encodings xfonts-terminus xfonts-utils xgalaga xinit xmahjongg xml-core xscreensaver xscreensaver-data xserver-common xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-input-libinput xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-legacy xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-vesa xterm yad zenity zenity-commonInxi as it is:
root@d620:/home/bobc/packagecomp# inxi -Fxz System: Host: d620 Kernel: 4.9.87-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64 gcc: 6.3.0 Desktop: IceWM 1.4.2 Distro: antiX-17.1_x64-core Heather Heyer 17 March 2018 Machine: Device: portable System: Dell product: Latitude D620 serial: <filter> Mobo: Dell model: 0FT292 serial: <filter> BIOS: Dell v: A08 date: 04/03/2007 Battery BAT0: charge: 56.6 Wh 137.3% condition: 41.2/56.6 Wh (73%) model: Panasonic DELL J825J8 status: Full CPU: Dual core Intel Core2 T5500 (-MCP-) arch: Conroe rev.2 cache: 2048 KB flags: (lm nx sse sse2 sse3 ssse3 vmx) bmips: 6661 clock speeds: max: 1667 MHz 1: 1667 MHz 2: 1333 MHz Graphics: Card: Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller bus-ID: 00:02.0 Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 drivers: intel (unloaded: modesetting,fbdev,vesa) Resolution: 1440x900@60.03hz OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel 945GM version: 2.1 Mesa 13.0.6 Direct Render: Yes Audio: Card Intel NM10/ICH7 Family High Def. Audio Controller driver: snd_hda_intel bus-ID: 00:1b.0 Sound: ALSA v: k4.9.87-antix.1-amd64-smp Network: Card-1: Broadcom Limited NetXtreme BCM5752 Gigabit Ethernet PCIE driver: tg3 v: 3.137 bus-ID: 09:00.0 IF: eth0 state: down mac: <filter> Card-2: Broadcom Limited BCM4311 802.11a/b/g driver: b43-pci-bridge bus-ID: 0c:00.0 IF: wlan0 state: up mac: <filter> Drives: HDD Total Size: 162.0GB (4.5% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: SAMSUNG_HM160HI size: 160.0GB ID-2: USB /dev/sdb model: STORAGE_DEVICE size: 2.0GB Partition: ID-1: / size: 7.8G used: 2.7G (37%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda12 ID-2: swap-1 size: 4.24GB used: 0.00GB (0%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda3 Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 54.0C mobo: N/A Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: N/A Info: Processes: 144 Uptime: 5:42 Memory: 461.9/1993.5MB Init: SysVinit runlevel: 5 Gcc sys: N/A Client: Shell (bash 4.4.121) inxi: 2.3.54 root@d620:/home/bobc/packagecomp#- This topic was modified 5 years, 1 month ago by BobC.
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I do want to see if I can get the menus to generate completely. Needs to be investigated. Might look at installing the AntiX menu system, but afraid that will cause other problems.
Need to figure out where to tell it to run startx in the boot sequence if at run level 5 after login. My guess is it needs to be in the user login script, but I don’t know how that works. I am just fine with a character based login.
I may end up with a memory-cheap “Debian style” respin of AntiX, lol
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take this list and remove from it all the packages required by any other on the list?
#!/bin/bash ### Usage: ### ignoredeps.sh </path/to/mylist.txt> ### ### Purpose: ### given a list of currently installed packages ### (e.g. 'dpkg --get-selections | cut -f1 > /path/to/mylist.txt') ### create a 'dpkg --set-selections' picklist, more reliably than ### by using 'apt-mark showmanual' or by parsing /var/log/dpkg.log* ### ### ref: https://wiki.debian.org/ListInstalledPackages ### cleanup leftovers from prior runs [[ -e /tmp/depdata.txt ]] && rm /tmp/depdata.txt; [[ -e /tmp/depsorted.txt ]] && rm /tmp/depsorted.txt; ### trim away architecture suffix, e.g. ":amd64" sed -i 's/:.*//' $1 ### read $1 and generate a list of dependencies while IFS='' read -r line || [[ -n "$line" ]]; do apt-cache depends $line >> /tmp/depdata.txt #OPTIONAL: indicate progress of this long-running operation echo "checking $line" done < "$1" grep 'Depends:' /tmp/depdata.txt | awk -F ": " '{print $NF}' | sort -u > /tmp/depsorted.txt ### also matches lines declaring "PreDepends" and oddballs like "<python:any>"... ### ...but any <oddball> items will not match original list comm -23 $1 /tmp/depsorted.txt > /tmp/picklist.txt ### OPTIONAL: cleanup #rm /tmp/depdata.txt && rm /tmp/depsorted.txt echo "generated /tmp/picklist.txt" ### OPTIONAL: inspect and edit the list leafpad /tmp/picklist.txt & disown exit 0Thanks for posting, Did you write it or find it someplace?
I’ll try to look at it and understand. I’m just learning the script language, so I have to find examples of things to learn from.
For example, I hadn’t even noticed the :amd64 on the lines, yet.
I am thinking that I could come up with a more generic sequence that would work with whatever window manager.
The programs still require configuration. I guess that is to be expected…
Ahhh, that’s very cool… So here are the packages I actually added to the core install. And if one didn’t want ksnakeduel or aisleriot, for example, it wouldn’t drag in their dependencies…
acpi acpi-support acpitool aisleriot alsamixer-equalizer-antix apt-file aptitude arandr at-spi2-core autokey-gtk clipit conky-legacy-all deborphan diskscan ethtool exfat-fuse exfat-utils f3 gcolor2 geany gexec gksu gnome-keyring gnome-mahjongg gnome-mpv gparted gpm gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly gstreamer1.0-tools gtk2-engines icewm-themes-antix ksnakeduel leafpad libcanberra-gtk3-module libgl1-mesa-dri libgtk2-perl libjpeg-turbo-progs libpam-gnome-keyring lm-sensors lxappearance lxkeymap lxtask lxterminal mediterranean-themes menu-xdg mesa-utils mrxvt mrxvt-mini murrine-themes palemoon perl-openssl-defaults pmount python-keybinder rarian-compat rox-filer screenshot-antix simplescreenrecorder spacefm-gtk3 synaptic udevil udisks2 vbetool wpagui x11-utils xbattbar xclip xdemineur xfce-keyboard-shortcuts xfonts-100dpi xfonts-base xfonts-terminus xgalaga xinit xmahjongg xscreensaver xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg-legacy xserver-xorg-video-fbdev xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-vesa xtermandfree
During last weeks, I have been trying to build an icewm system from core 17.1 (see here), or even from net 17.1 (see here). It’s going to be used on machines 15 years old, so I want it as lightweight as it could be.
Ceni is installed on the core, but not on the net version. On the net, I firstly connected via ethernet and installed ceni. After that, I
connected wirelesslystill can’t connect wirelessly.For both versions, the steps for getting X to run when not root were the same:
1) Install xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-legacy, xinit.
2) add to /etc/X11/Xrapper.config this line:needs_root_rights=yesThe line below was already there, so no need for me to add it myself:
allowed_users=consoleI also installed icewm and a terminal (rxvt-unicode), and then I ran “startx”.
Afterwards, I installed palemoon-nonsse2. I find it the best performing browser for these old machines and for the kind of use I do. I also think about installing dillo (for reading text-only pages) and one browser for use out of X (links2?).
My thoughts about menus should be a separate post. For the moment, I can say I removed all the tray icons, except sources monitors and the clock.
I haven’t decided yet about the apps I want to install. Maybe I’ll build a super minimal system for the one machine, using Midnight Commander as file manager and, generally, using terminal apps. On the other machines, I’ll maybe conclude rox-filer and/or spacefm and other “heavier” apps. But I think I’ll install iso-snapshot to all of them, so as to be able to create isos of the built systems.
I also haven’t decided if I should start from core or from net version. On the net, I had to install some packages for unlocking and mounting disk partitions. I also noticed there was not volume, and installing alsamixer (alsa-utils) haven’t fixed it. I suppose that the net version doesn’t contain drivers. Packages installed on my built-from-core system are about 200 more than those installed on my built-from-net one. I can’t say yet if I need the most of them or not.
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Yes, I saw your posts. I think the net version is designed to install to hard wired machines. Mine are mostly laptops, and I don’t want to need to mess with cabling temporarily and then setting up for wifi, so that’s why I used core.
I think the important question is not how many packages, but instead why did you load that particular one (ie was there a particular function it provides that is needed), and that is why the effort here to see which packages were loaded that caused the others to be needed. The same programs could be used to analyse the core distro itself to see if there is anything not needed that could be removed, and then the ones it brought in could be autoremoved.
I got the menus working well by adding the antix menu package.
For some odd reason, I can suspend/resume manually, and I can hibernate, but I can’t wake it up again. So that’s an issue.
Once open issues are fixed, I will remove all the “stuff” I added, like games, and get back to a small footprint IceWM system, sort of like an IceWm mini-base, and try making myself a respin.
It seems you are right about the net version. I didn’t remember well. Installing ceni is not enough for connecting wirelessly. I edited my previous post on this point. Maybe the wireless-tools are needed. I’ll try it when I have time and also an ethernet connection.
The menu-manager-antix package is the one that got your menus working well? I installed it, but haven’t noticed yet a remarkable improvement.
Suspend is a general issue for me. I can’t wake up one of the laptops, even on the installed (base) system. I’ll be back on this.
And the purpose of mine is creating systems more minimal than the base one, too.
I have suspend/resume, hibernate/wakeup, and suspend-hybrid/wakeup-resume working now. Elogind fixed those. I got the desktop stuff working last night as well, but it ended loading a few more things into memory than I wanted, so I will have to tweak that, still, but no actual problems left at this point, other than needing to reconnect wifi after a reboot.
Got it to login and bring up roaming wifi and start X-windows automatically.
Disk space used is similar to full AntiX – Libreoffice + my Games at this point, but I’m not worried at its still under 3.5 gb.
Memory use is at 52.1 mb under icewm with no conky or background or screensaver. I’m very happy with that.
root@d620:/home/bobc# ps_mem.py
Private + Shared = RAM used Program96.0 KiB + 111.0 KiB = 207.0 KiB sh
108.0 KiB + 118.0 KiB = 226.0 KiB startx
220.0 KiB + 67.0 KiB = 287.0 KiB gpm
216.0 KiB + 83.5 KiB = 299.5 KiB icewm-session
296.0 KiB + 69.5 KiB = 365.5 KiB acpid
280.0 KiB + 114.0 KiB = 394.0 KiB init
344.0 KiB + 69.5 KiB = 413.5 KiB wpa_cli
292.0 KiB + 166.0 KiB = 458.0 KiB cron
244.0 KiB + 242.5 KiB = 486.5 KiB xinit
328.0 KiB + 373.0 KiB = 701.0 KiB getty (2)
480.0 KiB + 369.5 KiB = 849.5 KiB su
772.0 KiB + 168.0 KiB = 940.0 KiB dbus-daemon
712.0 KiB + 327.0 KiB = 1.0 MiB login
740.0 KiB + 476.0 KiB = 1.2 MiB mrxvt-mini
1.4 MiB + 121.0 KiB = 1.5 MiB udevd
1.5 MiB + 119.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB rsyslogd
964.0 KiB + 985.5 KiB = 1.9 MiB icewmbg
1.0 MiB + 1.0 MiB = 2.0 MiB icewmtray
2.6 MiB + 296.0 KiB = 2.9 MiB wpa_supplicant
2.7 MiB + 972.0 KiB = 3.7 MiB dhclient (2)
4.7 MiB + 1.6 MiB = 6.3 MiB bash (3)
6.1 MiB + 1.2 MiB = 7.4 MiB icewm
16.2 MiB + 920.5 KiB = 17.1 MiB Xorg
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52.1 MiB
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root@d620:/home/bobc# ping http://www.ibm.com
PING http://www.ibm.com(g2600-1407-0021-028d-0000-0000-0000-0b3a.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com (2600:1407:21:28d::b3a)) 56 data bytes
64 bytes from g2600-1407-0021-028d-0000-0000-0000-0b3a.deploy.static.akamaitechnologies.com (2600:1407:21:28d::b3a): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=313 ms
rokytnji
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How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problemsSuch a shame. Tired of trying to type and losing it all. Finally got it in as a .txt attachment. I guess the rules have changed again. Yes, I really do have problems with authority, lol.
Anyway, its all done. Its a “Debianized AntiX IceWM” that runs in 60 or 70 mb and the ISO is under 600 mb. It looks like Debian, but RUNS like AntiX! I’m not saying its better than anything, probably not really, maybe a few savings here and there, but mostly just an interesting exercise.
Package list is attached…
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- This reply was modified 5 years ago by BobC.
Something interesting, after a hibernate and resume, it gains back memory because wpa_suplicant doesn’t try to run for the hard wired ethernet when its not connected.
Something I learned today…. To copy from selected text in a terminal to the clipboard buffer so you can paste to a GUI program like Palemoon or Geany select the text and run…
xclip -o | xclip -i -selection clipboard
Of course if you had a Keyboard shortcut to do that, they you could just select and hit the key, then be able to paste here…One I learned the other day is using Awk to get column 2 and from column 6 to the end of a line (ie if the last stuff on the line is text with spaces so you don’t know how many columns there are, like with the list of packages and descriptions (in a file called pkglist) and write it to a new file called pkglist.txt. So, I’m taking all the other columns before 6 and making them empty, then printing the whole line, which is now 2 and 6+
awk '{$1=$3=$4=$5=""; print $0}' pkglist >pkglist.txtAnother thing I learned is that I can take the package list straight from dpkg -l to do this instead of writing a pkglist file if I don’t really need that
dpkg -l | awk '{$1=$3=$4=$5=""; print $0}' >pkglist.txtSo I don’t know if all this is useful for anyone else, but if someone happens to search for how to copy selected text from the selection buffer in terminal to paste into browser or editor via the clipboard buffer via command line, they might find this post, and make life a little better.
If I had to use this frankenstein, I’d need my conky, screensaver and games I suppose, and my hibernate mod, and it would be a lot better to me than stock Debian, but I don’t think its “better” than stock AntiX Base or Full, heck it *IS* AntiX Core + toys, so it is what it is…
# ps_mem.py
Private + Shared = RAM used Program4.0 KiB + 42.0 KiB = 46.0 KiB startx
8.0 KiB + 63.5 KiB = 71.5 KiB icewm-session
40.0 KiB + 47.0 KiB = 87.0 KiB gpm
4.0 KiB + 122.5 KiB = 126.5 KiB su
64.0 KiB + 69.0 KiB = 133.0 KiB init
24.0 KiB + 110.5 KiB = 134.5 KiB rpc.statd
96.0 KiB + 47.5 KiB = 143.5 KiB wpa_cli
4.0 KiB + 140.0 KiB = 144.0 KiB login
4.0 KiB + 155.5 KiB = 159.5 KiB xinit
16.0 KiB + 145.0 KiB = 161.0 KiB getty (2)
76.0 KiB + 104.0 KiB = 180.0 KiB rpcbind
96.0 KiB + 93.0 KiB = 189.0 KiB cron
160.0 KiB + 60.5 KiB = 220.5 KiB rpc.idmapd
20.0 KiB + 283.0 KiB = 303.0 KiB dbus-launch (2)
304.0 KiB + 53.5 KiB = 357.5 KiB acpid
468.0 KiB + 94.5 KiB = 562.5 KiB udevd
196.0 KiB + 386.5 KiB = 582.5 KiB gconfd-2
48.0 KiB + 685.0 KiB = 733.0 KiB at-spi-bus-launcher
148.0 KiB + 627.5 KiB = 775.5 KiB icewmtray
164.0 KiB + 613.5 KiB = 777.5 KiB icewmbg
760.0 KiB + 104.0 KiB = 864.0 KiB rsyslogd
284.0 KiB + 634.0 KiB = 918.0 KiB at-spi2-registryd
440.0 KiB + 605.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB polkitd
740.0 KiB + 329.5 KiB = 1.0 MiB mrxvt-mini
584.0 KiB + 707.5 KiB = 1.3 MiB dbus-daemon (4)
1.5 MiB + 88.0 KiB = 1.6 MiB wpa_supplicant
1.2 MiB + 681.0 KiB = 1.9 MiB console-kit-daemon
912.0 KiB + 1.0 MiB = 1.9 MiB bash (3)
1.3 MiB + 639.0 KiB = 2.0 MiB dhclient (2)
7.1 MiB + 1.7 MiB = 8.8 MiB icewm
20.5 MiB + 1.3 MiB = 21.8 MiB Xorg
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48.7 MiB
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sleekmason
Hi Bob, This is all really good stuff. At some point I’ll get around to doing this again, and this thread will be my goto. Thank you.
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Have noticed in your shots that xorg is using about a third of what mine is. Is this due to removing conky and setting to no background?
Digging your last post about xclip. Didn’t know that.The xorg memory requirement seems to change with login manager, background, and kernel version, given the same machine.
I’m no expert, just been experimenting, and finding things that work is all…
I don’t know how to run IceWM correctly, for example, when I use it as provided by AntiX full, it uses less memory, but I don’t know why.
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