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manyroads
Pax vobiscum,
Mark Rabideau - http://many-roads.com
"For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." H. L. Mencken
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Xecure
You are too optimistic, manyroads. Maybe the public image changes, but we shall see if anything else.
Also, that man hasn’t left the Whitehouse yet.antiX Live system enthusiast.
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Error in my conclusion too, likely scenario
The insane will call on right wing boys to create violence riot and disruption, it can then declare a national emergency
take emergency powers and play on.
anticapitalista
Error in my conclusion too, likely scenario
The insane will call on right wing boys to create violence riot and disruption, it can then declare a national emergency
take emergency powers and play on.… except …
Trump probably cannot even mobilize the numbers needed to do this.
I think it is extremely unlikely that the ‘state’ (army, police) would follow Trump since Biden is no threat to US capitalist interests.Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
We will see, it could go a lot of ways. I hope peacefully.
A lot of well trained and battle equipped groups support trump. Many are ex active military service,
American soldiers were not inclined to play games as well as had good tactical training, we forget here
you could probably still can buy military grade weapons and thousands of belted rounds at Walmart..A few scattered small groups would be able to take out major citys without too many problems.
No Water, No power, latest after 3 Hours looting and riots begin. Modern citys are not particularly stable.State troops and military follow orders not votes. As yet Biden is not inaugrated so He is not commander in chief.
Most of the Military commanders who had the guts to talk sense were sacked some time ago.olsztyn
Biden is no threat to US capitalist interests.
Indeed. Biden and his ‘democratic’ party represents interests of big capitalists, large companies. All my life I worked for large capitalists, large companies and all them support and sponsor democratic party. Republican party represents interests of small business and middle class. Middle class grows during republican times and dissipates into the poor and the rich during ‘democratic’ rule. This is why the big capitalists such as Google and Facebook suppress republican, patriotic ideas and promote ‘democratic’ views.
Not much will change however during Biden era. Not only that he is a puppet in the pocket of big capitalists but also that he is likely to continue his past ‘leadership’ style of doing absolutely nothing significant. I hope he will survive until the end of his term though, not eliminated at some point by his own party to clear way for much more ambitious vice and radicals.Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
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christophe
Regardless of what is reported internationally, the general sense in the US is that we wouldn’t put up with rioting & destruction. The cities where there was/is rioting were in left-run cities, where the politicians are afraid to enforce law & order. It’s a shame that (in the US) public safety is not valued by those in authority. In decades past, the left (again, I speak of in the US) were the protectors of freedom and individual rights. Now, since Trump was elected, they’ve lost their minds. The leftists in media & government are sensoring & attempting to ruin people’s lives that don’t agree with them. It leaves the “traditional liberals” perplexed. Sadly, I don’t see Biden as a solution. As anticapitalista wrote: “… Biden is no threat to US capitalist interests.” I would even go a step further — there is evidence (largely suppressed by Google, Facebook, Twitter) that he has been bought by international corporations, not to mention the “traditional” buying-out of politicians by US big-business.
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
christophe
Maybe (on a lighter note), if any of you Europeans have a spare room, you could host us for a while? Just till this gets sorted out?
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
christophe
Maybe we could emigrate somewhere more gentile. @male: How are things in the Maldives?
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
christophe
How about an island in the Carribbean? Or maybe the Isle of Man? (Wait — are women even allowed there? Maybe only as “undocumented immigrants?”)
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BobC
I will take it one step further…
Trump is a legend in his own mind. Not so many other places, now. I don’t think the election was “stolen” by the left. He upset the voters so badly that they all put out the effort to jump through hoops to get a ballot, fill it out and mail it in, or dared the pandemic like me and went and voted anyway. He caused the tremendous turnout by pissing so many of us off by lying to us. HE HIMSELF VOTED BY MAIL IN THE LAST ELECTION, so tell me how that should be illegal today and not then?
Anyway, it’s just not the American way. Good luck in court, Donald. The people have spoken, and YOU’RE FIRED!!!
And now, on the subject of Capitalism. Capitalism in the US ended in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve and the end of real money in order to get into World War I against the wishes of the People. Once they took that slippery slope the economic mistakes mounted up with the Roaring 20’s bubble they created and predictable resulting Great Depression when the bubble burst. They had the chance to go back to honest Capitalism after World War II, but instead stayed on the Keynesian path, with the dishonest FIAT dollars as its foundation. At this point, the world has followed them down that road, and everyone is buried in debt, owing money that doesn’t exist, and borrowing unbelievable amounts more (by printing it) at every turn, as though printing more will solve it. Look up your history what happened in France in the 1700’s when John Law got the French to replace real money with paper IOU’s, or what happened when things went sour and they printed more. The same thing happened in the Colonies in the 1780’s and the paper money became worthless. That is why the US founders in their wisdom wrote in the Constitution that only coins of gold and silver be valid as payment.
So, if we don’t have Capitalism, what do we have here? It’s mostly a corrupt Crony Corporatism wrapped in a flag, where the government and their buddies the lobbyists paid by the corporations and big money write the laws (To be clear, the congress doesn’t write the laws, anymore), and instead of taxing and therefore discouraging imports (which was what funded the government before 1916), we now don’t tax imports, which encourages them, and instead tax innovation, effort, and work as profits, which discourages them, and this has sent our jobs to wherever the Corporations can source the labor from cheaper, and our people are left to be bartenders and waitresses, government workers or uber drivers.
Something is wrong, but nobody sees it, and certainly will not admit it exists, and it won’t be fixed until there just is no other choice. My problem is that I just cannot see how that turns out well, regardless of who’s name is on the white House mailbox for the next 4 years. I hope Joe Biden does better than he did in the past standing up for our nation, as our nation and world are depending on him.
And please don’t take offense, anyone. I would just like the CHANCE of real capitalism, maybe a nicer flavor of it than in the past where people would help one another rather than trying to take advantage of one another.
If we look at US Election laws a little more closely, he may be able to stay in office, for sure he will do anything to do so.
He has until 20 January to bend things his way.The State Governers must certify votes by 8 Dec.
You then have Electoral College on 14 Dec, the votes from that go to Pence. Is he neutral, no way.
The results MUST be in national archive and reach all state heads by 23 Dec. If delayed the plot thickens.
6 January is Count of the votes from voters reps in the Senate in Washington. responsible Pence who must also announce the winner..
General Services Administration has already announced no winner is fixed as trump refused to admit defeat.
I am not holding my breath waiting. Looks like militia are quiet at present which is good. Will biden be better for the world than DT.
I have my doubts there too.Xecure
And now, on the subject of Capitalism. Capitalism in the US ended in 1913 with the creation of the Federal Reserve and the end of real money in order to get into World War I against the wishes of the People.
Paper money existed before WW1 and banknotes were widely used. The problem wasn’t paper money, it was that the banknotes were not backed by precious metal or other goods.
The cost of going to war is tremendous, and left not only the USA, but many many countries with enormous debts. The capitalistic US had two path to resolve this debt: 1. Spend less and have everyone go through a terrible economic crisis to pay the debt, 2. Create a system where “the country” could pay the debt with the money of every US citizen (without asking) and only have the citizens go through the economic crisis. In an amazing “communistic move”, the US decided that all Americans should shoulder the load of the Government’s debt by printing money for paying that debt. Printing money isn’t just creating new money, it is in fact extracting (reducing) the value of every dollar in circulation, which made every US citizen poorer every time a new bill was printed. Supposedly, the total amount of “value” would remain constant, but as there were many more dollars in circulation, each dollar was worth less. After the Euro was created, The European Central Bank “swore” they would never print money to avoid hyperinflation. 2008 crisis undid that promise.
Later, some “smart” people decided that money shouldn’t be backed by tangible assets, and now the value of money is related to “market confidence”.That is why the US founders in their wisdom wrote in the Constitution that only coins of gold and silver be valid as payment.
I may be mixing up the history of different countries here, but I think the US founders printed money without any metal backing to finance the American Revolution, and the British made use of that opportunity by counterfeiting and reducing that paper money’s value even more (economic warfare against the rebels). But maybe I am mixing this up with some other war, sorry.
where the government and their buddies the lobbyists paid by the corporations and big money write the laws (To be clear, the congress doesn’t write the laws, anymore), and instead of taxing and therefore discouraging imports (which was what funded the government before 1916), we now don’t tax imports, which encourages them
False. Imports ARE taxed. Mr. Trump decided to increase even more the imports tax to Europe “because we are America”, which greatly impacted the economy of where I live. You need to understand that “the market” has two ways: import and export. Countries negotiate so that they reduce import taxes in both countries so that commerce can improve bidirectionally. The USA was negotiating a new trade deal with the EU but Mr. Trump didn’t like the conditions and decided to “f*ck Europe, America First”, and increased unilaterally import taxes from the EU, so the EU had to respond in the same way and increase import taxes for all US products.
What I am trying to say here is that import taxes DO exist, countries negotiate import taxes so that their products can be competitive elsewhere. Increasing import taxes unilaterally will only harm your own economy, as the other countries will respond and also increase taxes to incoming products from America.
The F***cking EU increased unilaterally taxes on Russian imports (mixing economics with the war in Syria), and Russia said “you cannot f*ck me”, and many agricultural export deals were broken (Russia gives priority to China now), which heavily impacted farmers where I live (thanks, EU).Something is wrong, but nobody sees it, and certainly will not admit it exists, and it won’t be fixed until there just is no other choice. My problem is that I just cannot see how that turns out well, regardless of who’s name is on the white House mailbox for the next 4 years. I hope Joe Biden does better than he did in the past standing up for our nation, as our nation and world are depending on him.
The change needed is to stop waiting for a savior to change things and have all citizens collaborate to change the country. How can you expect other to solve our problems? REAL DEMOCRACY NOW!
antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.30% on top for most goods from USA was EU answer to trump. Citizens suffer. EU and china, has also a lot to do with
USA pushing to penalise russia. Attacks on russian personalitys in other countrys have also hightension.
Particularly as Chem Warfare agent involved. Radiactive poison polonium was not considered a stern enough
warning I guess.Important is also that not just Russia has perverse chemical warfare arsenals, some of the loudest protestors have
just as much or more kept in component form because it is then not regulated in any treaty.Getting rid of critics is likely far more common than we think. Just done quietly.
Xecure, Yes, the British printing counterfeit Continentals was a contributing factor to their demise, but I think when money can just be printed or clicked into existence there will always be that risk. It doesn’t really matter who created the money if there were no goods produced to buy with them.
As for my comment on the US being funded by import tariffs (and to a lesser degree by excise taxes on liquor), this was true for the first hundred years. There are two facets to that. The main one is that our government was small and unobtrusive, and the taxes and spending were about 10% of the size of the economy. We didn’t try to rule the world at that point, either. Other countries have now shifted to VAT taxes which reward exporters, which we don’t have, so our companies are forced to have offshored everything as a result, leaving the landscape covered with shuttered factories and unemployed or underemployed people. Our federal government is now huge at 35 or 40% of the economy before Covid, and the numbers they lie to us on employment, unemployment and inflation are literally laughable fairy tales. We really can’t afford to keep troops in 137 nations if we actually had to pay for it. We will end up like the Soviet Union unable to afford to bring the troops home in the end is my guess. We seem to be very good at pretending we are doing fine, but its all measured in confetti by con men.
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