Cinnamon Desktop Environment – cannot install?

[Member rej]

Would like to give Cinnamon a try and could not get either package installer to work. Packager Installer failed – just asked if I wanted to Exit. Went to Synaptic and “Broken Packages” – could not fix with edit. Held Packages?

Tried LXDE and KDES – they were both successfull.

Tried to fix in terminal with several suggested commands for broken packages fix – no change. All else in package installers works fine.

Is Cinnamon no longer available? Not necessary – just wanted to see it.

Thanks.

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It is because you are running a systemd free distro and we do not allow systemd to pulled into a install through synaptic package manager.
Because systemd breaks stuff.

If you wanna run cinnamon.

You would probably save you some grief and just install

https://www.debian.org/CD/live/

They have Cinnamon Isos on stock and use systemd till the cows come home.
You could even dual boot and compare speed and ease of use if you have the hard drive size to handle this.

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For the broken packages fix. Do it in synaptic. You will figure it out in the menu on the toolbar.

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Thank you.

I guess I wrongly assumed that the packages offered in the AntiX Package Installer and those marked “supported” (with the orange dot beside it) in Synaptic were systemd-free.

I have not enabled systemd via the instructions in the MX Wiki and thought that systemd would not automatically be enabled with packages from either installer [only have default debian-stretch].

Some of these other AntiX alternate desktops are on various devices of mine.

If I uninstall the desktops, does systemd go away also? Or need to start over and fresh install again?

“AntiX Package Installer” – “Manage popular packages”
“Desktop Environment”:

Cinnamon-Full
Cinnamon-Standard
KDE5
KDE5-lite
KDE5-standard
LXDE
MATE
Xfce4
Xfce4-lite

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The descriptions do not mention systemd nor does “AntiX Howto articles”:

“Install a Desktop Environment”

“Use the meta-installer included in antiX to install a variety of desktop environments.

The meta-installer is set up to easily install the following desktop environments”

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Attached are:

Screenshot of the attempt at fixing through Synaptic mentioned previously.

Screenshot of the desktop offerings on my installation through the AntiX Package installer.
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I also tried the terminal:

sudo apt-get install -f

apt-get -s -f install

Do these failed attempts mean it is in fact a systemd issue that is preventing the installation? This “broken package”-“Held broken packages” error has happened before, so it would be good to know that that is the reason, and discontinue trying to fix if it comes up again.

Is there another way to determine which packages include systemd components in the installers?

Thanks again. I appreciate your input.

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I just managed to install cinnamon via package-installer. Using standard stretch repos.

Please post the output of

apt-get -f install and inxi -r

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Thank you.

Tried to install Cinnamin Full and Standard on 3 different PCs with same results – All different model T-series x64 ThinkPads that have no problems (known of) otherwise.

rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo apt-get -f install
[sudo] password for rj:
Reading package lists… Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information… Done
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
desktop-file-utils libffmpegthumbnailer4v5 libjs-jquery libjs-sphinxdoc
libjs-underscore python-concurrent.futures python-livestreamer python-singledispatch
spacefm-common
Use ‘sudo apt autoremove’ to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo inxi -F
System:
Host: antix17.1 Kernel: 4.15.9-antix.1-amd64-smp x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: IceWM 1.4.2 Distro: antiX-17_x64-full Heather Heyer 24 October 2017
Machine:
Type: Laptop System: LENOVO product: 42365MO v: ThinkPad T420 serial: REFURBY
Mobo: LENOVO model: 42365MO serial: 1ZLEH26W49B UEFI [Legacy]: LENOVO
v: 83ET79WW (1.49 ) date: 09/05/2016
Battery:
ID-1: BAT0 charge: 30.8 Wh condition: 31.2/47.5 Wh (66%)
CPU:
Topology: Dual Core model: Intel Core i5-2540M type: MT MCP L2 cache: 3072 KiB
Speed: 1386 MHz min/max: 800/3300 MHz Core speeds (MHz): 1: 831 2: 847 3: 982 4: 957
Graphics:
Card-1: Intel 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics driver: i915
v: kernel
Display Server: X.Org 1.19.2 driver: modesetting unloaded: fbdev,vesa
resolution: 1600×900~60Hz
OpenGL: renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Sandybridge Mobile v: 3.3 Mesa 13.0.6
Audio:
Card-1: Intel 6 Series/C200 Series Family High Definition Audio
driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound Server: ALSA v: k4.15.9-antix.1-amd64-smp
Network:
Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
IF: eth0 state: down mac: 00:21:cc:c8:66:a9
Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi
IF: wlan0 state: up mac: 8c:70:5a:c0:b6:34
Drives:
HDD Total Size: 298.09 GiB used: 10.07 GiB (3.4%)
ID-1: /dev/sda model: WDC_WD3200BEKT-0 size: 298.09 GiB
Partition:
ID-1: / size: 43.00 GiB used: 10.07 GiB (23.4%) fs: ext4 dev: /dev/sda6
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 35.0 C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (RPM): cpu: 1972
Info:
Processes: 164 Uptime: 1m Memory: 7.68 GiB used: 222.5 MiB (2.8%) Shell: bash
inxi: 3.0.00
rj@antix17.1:~
$

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I asked for inxi -r

Also do

apt-get update
apt-get install cinnamon

and post the results.

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Thank you – Yes, you did ask for inxi -r – sorry.
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rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo inxi -r
[sudo] password for rj:
Repos:
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
1: deb http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch main nosystemd
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mxpm-temp.list
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/onion.list
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo apt-get update
Ign:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease
Hit:2 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release
Hit:3 http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch InRelease
Get:5 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease [91.0 kB]
Ign:6 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease
Hit:7 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch Release
Get:9 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease [94.3 kB]
Get:10 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main i386 Packages [372 kB]
Get:11 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main amd64 Packages [371 kB]
Get:12 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates/main Translation-en [164 kB]
Fetched 1,093 kB in 6s (158 kB/s)
Reading package lists… Done
rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo apt-get install cinnamon
Reading package lists… Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information… Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
cinnamon : Depends: nemo (>= 3.0) but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
rj@antix17.1:~
$

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I cannot reproduce the problem on my box.
Have you installed anything outside the default repos?

apt-get install cinnamon
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree       
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  accountsservice apg at-spi2-core caribou cinnamon-common cinnamon-control-center cinnamon-control-center-data cinnamon-screensaver cinnamon-session
  cinnamon-session-common cinnamon-settings-daemon cjs cups-pk-helper gir1.2-accountsservice-1.0 gir1.2-caribou-1.0 gir1.2-clutter-1.0 gir1.2-cmenu-3.0 gir1.2-cogl-1.0
  gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 gir1.2-cvc-1.0 gir1.2-gdesktopenums-3.0 gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0 gir1.2-gtkclutter-1.0 gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-3.0 gir1.2-keybinder-3.0
  gir1.2-meta-muffin-0.0 gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 gir1.2-xapp-1.0 gist gkbd-capplet gnome-backgrounds gnome-desktop3-data gvfs gvfs-bin gvfs-common gvfs-daemons
  gvfs-libs iso-flags-png-320x240 libaccountsservice0 libatk-adaptor libcaribou-common libcaribou0 libcinnamon-control-center1 libcinnamon-menu-3-0 libcjs0
  libclutter-1.0-0 libclutter-gtk-1.0-0 libcogl-pango20 libcogl-path20 libcogl20 libcscreensaver0 libexempi3 libgail-3-0 libgnome-desktop-3-12
  libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 libkeybinder-3.0-0 libmuffin0 libnemo-extension1 libnm-glib-vpn1 libnm-glib4 libnm-gtk0 libnm-util2 libnm0 libxapp1 muffin muffin-common
  nemo nemo-data policykit-1-gnome python-gi-cairo python-imaging python-pam python-pexpect python-ptyprocess python-pyinotify python3-gi-cairo python3-pyatspi
  python3-setproctitle python3-xlib ruby-json upower xapps-common zenity zenity-common
Suggested packages:
  gnome-control-center cinnamon-doc python-opencv gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio libcanberra-gtk-module cinnamon-screensaver-webkit-plugin gvfs-backends eog python-pexpect-doc
  python-pyinotify-doc
Recommended packages:
  blueman cinnamon-l10n gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 gir1.2-nmgtk-1.0 metacity-common network-manager-gnome libcanberra-pulse mousetweaks cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin
  libclutter-1.0-common libcogl-common gvfs-backends gvfs-fuse nemo-fileroller
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  accountsservice apg at-spi2-core caribou cinnamon cinnamon-common cinnamon-control-center cinnamon-control-center-data cinnamon-screensaver cinnamon-session
  cinnamon-session-common cinnamon-settings-daemon cjs cups-pk-helper gir1.2-accountsservice-1.0 gir1.2-caribou-1.0 gir1.2-clutter-1.0 gir1.2-cmenu-3.0 gir1.2-cogl-1.0
  gir1.2-coglpango-1.0 gir1.2-cvc-1.0 gir1.2-gdesktopenums-3.0 gir1.2-gnomedesktop-3.0 gir1.2-gtkclutter-1.0 gir1.2-javascriptcoregtk-3.0 gir1.2-keybinder-3.0
  gir1.2-meta-muffin-0.0 gir1.2-networkmanager-1.0 gir1.2-xapp-1.0 gist gkbd-capplet gnome-backgrounds gnome-desktop3-data gvfs gvfs-bin gvfs-common gvfs-daemons
  gvfs-libs iso-flags-png-320x240 libaccountsservice0 libatk-adaptor libcaribou-common libcaribou0 libcinnamon-control-center1 libcinnamon-menu-3-0 libcjs0
  libclutter-1.0-0 libclutter-gtk-1.0-0 libcogl-pango20 libcogl-path20 libcogl20 libcscreensaver0 libexempi3 libgail-3-0 libgnome-desktop-3-12
  libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 libkeybinder-3.0-0 libmuffin0 libnemo-extension1 libnm-glib-vpn1 libnm-glib4 libnm-gtk0 libnm-util2 libnm0 libxapp1 muffin muffin-common
  nemo nemo-data policykit-1-gnome python-gi-cairo python-imaging python-pam python-pexpect python-ptyprocess python-pyinotify python3-gi-cairo python3-pyatspi
  python3-setproctitle python3-xlib ruby-json upower xapps-common zenity zenity-common
0 upgraded, 85 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 39.6 MB of archives.
After this operation, 93.1 MB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

The message mentions held broken packages, but does not show which package it is.

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I was gonna stay out of this. But his screenshots show synaptic was used first to install Cinnamon. Then he figured he needed to use Package Installer after that.
Hence the Broken stuff.

If I am wrong. Sorry.

But if you look at His synaptic package manager shot. What do you see?-

You are right that the package manager has built stuff that is systemd free. But this quote below is totally off base here.

those marked “supported” (with the orange dot beside it) in Synaptic were systemd-free.

If I am wrong . Because I don’t trust Debian and synaptic when it comes to systemd and orange dots. Sorry again.

To be honest. I’d start over from scratch if me. But it is your show. I’ll back out of here again.

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I am posting on my MX box right now in the shop.

Here is why I said when it says supported. That is subject to Debians, not AntiX, interpretation.-

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Thanks for bringing to attention the order of what was installed. As I did not know how to describe what the AntiX Package Installer handled it [Packager Installer failed – just asked if I wanted to Exit]- so it gives a further opportunity to clarify with several screenshots, done on a new partition, same device, of IceWM only – no other desktops installed.
Same order I have done on all other PCs, yet some I had tried several times over and over, thinking I might have done something incorrectly and when getting the screenshot of installer, I may have run it again, after Synaptic – don’t remember.

The only thing I could not get a screenshot of was the Pkg installer running apt-get update with the short blue bar going back and forth.

New Partition IceWM only desktop

* Attempt through Package Installer first.
* Synaptic second.
* Synaptic icon legend – don’t know what the orange dot means & had not been able to find a clear answer online- was only guessing.

* Terminal findings

Thanks again – hope this is better.

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rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo apt-get -f install
Reading package lists… Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information… Done
rThe following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
desktop-file-utils libffmpegthumbnailer4v5 libjs-jquery libjs-sphinxdoc
libjs-underscore python-concurrent.futures python-livestreamer python-singledispatch
spacefm-common
Use ‘sudo apt autoremove’ to remove them.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo inxi -r
Repos:
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
1: deb http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch main nosystemd
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
2: deb http://security.debian.org/ stretch/updates main contrib non-free
Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
1: deb [arch=amd64] http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/onion.list
No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list
rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo apt-get update
Ign:1 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable InRelease
Hit:2 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease
Hit:3 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch-updates InRelease
Hit:4 http://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb stable Release
Ign:5 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch InRelease
Hit:6 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stretch Release
Get:7 http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch InRelease [20.7 kB]
Get:10 http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch/main amd64 Packages [167 kB]
Get:11 http://repo.antixlinux.com/stretch stretch/main i386 Packages [169 kB]
Fetched 356 kB in 2s (138 kB/s)
Reading package lists… Done
rj@antix17.1:~
$ sudo apt-get install cinnamon
Reading package lists… Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information… Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
cinnamon : Depends: nemo (>= 3.0) but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
rj@antix17.1:~

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screenshots continued:

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I just installed cinnamon via synaptic – no issues.

You must have installed something (from outside the repos?) that will not allow you to do so.

Try

apt-get purge cinnamon-*

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Also apt-get autoremove

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