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olsztyn
As I have been testing MX-21-Fluxbox, it was hard to not notice a beautiful Fluxbox desktop of MX-21… They must have put a lot of work in developing such great style…
Since antiX supports Fluxbox as one of four official WMs, would this be ethically OK for antiX to adopt the MX-Fluxbox look and feel, provided MX team agreed?
I suppose crediting MX team as owners would be in order somewhere…Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
marcelocripe
Since antiX supports Fluxbox as one of four official WMs, would this be ethically OK for antiX to adopt the MX-Fluxbox look and feel, provided MX team agreed?
I think it’s all open source and it wouldn’t make sense for the MX Linux team to object if someone uses the code on another GNU/Linux distribution. However, you have already seen antiX transformation pack – antiX FT 10, look for the “ft10-transformation” package in the Synaptic package manager, install it and compare with MX Linux-Fluxbox, several features that @PPC implemented in FT10 did not make it to version of MX Linux-Fluxbox.
marcelocripe
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Since antiX supports Fluxbox as one of four official WMs, would this be ethically OK for antiX to adopt the MX-Fluxbox look and feel, provided MX team agreed?
Eu acho que é tudo código aberto e não faria sentido a equipe do MX Linux se opor se alguém utilizar o código em outra distribuição GNU/Linux. Contudo, você já viu o antiX transformation pack – antiX FT 10, busque o pacote “ft10-transformation” no gerenciador de pacotes Synaptic, instale-o e compare com o MX Linux-Fluxbox, vários recursos que o @PPC implementou no FT10 não chegaram até a versão do MX Linux-Fluxbox.
marcelocripe
(Texto original em idioma Português do Brasil)look for the “ft10-transformation” package in the Synaptic package manager, install it and compare with MX Linux-Fluxbox,
Thank you Marcelo. Are you (indirectly) implying that the MX21-Fluxbox desktop is just FT10 transformation pack on top of Fluxbox?
I was under impression (be it incorrect) that MX21-Fluxbox desktop was just Tint2 on top of the original Fluxbox…
My comment about nice design of MX21-Fluxbox desktop was in reference to the bottom panel of MX21 style. Fluxbox in antiX has mostly old and not very useful styles so my thinking was to add the MX21 Fluxbox style to antiX Fluxbox rather than the entire package of additions.I am all strongly for simplicity and functionality, rather than for complexity of combined packages, which require lots of work to properly integrate and test all the unrelated software pieces these packages are combined from. Even DEs such as XFCE are forcing some components as defaults as Thunar and such defaults may not be the best choice at all.
If you mean to imply that MX21-Fluxbox desktop is actually FT10 on top of Fluxbox, and just a few components of FT10 did not make it yet to MX21, then apparently MX team has already tested thoroughly the entire package for reliability as I have not noticed any issues, except drop-down menus do not work on Chrome and Chromium browsers.
I think MX team might be aware of this issue…However, as much as I am all for simplicity rather than bundles, currently using nicely configured JWM as the most reliable WM on antiX, I will also try FT10 shortly, per your recommendation…
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
dolphin_oracle
the mx fluxbox configuration is regular fluxbox with the fluxbox panel hidden, and with a wm-launcher windowmaker app providing the right-hand toolbar and a tint2 panel at the bottom. nothing proprietary, a bunch of dot files configuring things. everything is on github. People can do what they want.
I doubt anti would have any interest in changing though. given that the MX implementation is heavier than the antiX one, if only by a little. antiX remains “lean & mean”.
Thank you dolphin_oracle for details of desktop and congrats on your MX21-Fluxbox implementation…
Thanks and Regards…Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
Brian Masinick
the mx fluxbox configuration is regular fluxbox with the fluxbox panel hidden, and with a wm-launcher windowmaker app providing the right-hand toolbar and a tint2 panel at the bottom. nothing proprietary, a bunch of dot files configuring things. everything is on github. People can do what they want.
I doubt anti would have any interest in changing though. given that the MX implementation is heavier than the antiX one, if only by a little. antiX remains “lean & mean”.
I agree; while both MX Linux and antiX both have very good software, they serve different community interests, and antiX is definitely focused on lean efficiency.
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Brian MasinickMX Linux and antiX both have very good software, they serve different community interests, and antiX is definitely focused on lean efficiency.
Indeed. It is hard to beat either of them in their respective user base focus. In addition, what sets them apart from other distros is ISO Snapshot and Live tools, a huge advantage that deserves widespread recognition and appreciation.
I read on Q4OS forum that Q4OS was working on adapting ISO Snapshot and Live methodology from MX but I have not seen this materialized as yet…Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parametersmarcelocripe
Thank you Marcelo. Are you (indirectly) implying that the MX21-Fluxbox desktop is just FT10 transformation pack on top of Fluxbox?
I’m not the right person to make any claims in this regard, but @PPC is the person who can give you more details on this. If programmers’ credits are included in the MX Linux programming codes, then please check if you have any reference to @PPC in the program codes used in MX Linux-Fluxbox.
If you install “ft10-transformation” package in antiX Linux and run it in Fluxbox window manager or JWM or IceWM you can compare with what was implemented in MX Linux-Fluxbox.
I’ve been helping to test what is currently called FT10 since late 2020 and pretty much everything has been developed or implemented for antiX by @PPC. I’ve seen this happen several times here, volunteer programmers develop a program and not necessarily the programming code is used in its entirety by the official developer team. I have already helped to test several programs made by volunteer programmers where the translation to pt-BR worked perfectly, but unfortunately in the version of the program that was used in the antiX 21 ISO it is not working correctly in the same way as in the version that I helped to test , e.g. unplugdrive, antix-wifi-switcher, etc.
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Thank you Marcelo. Are you (indirectly) implying that the MX21-Fluxbox desktop is just FT10 transformation pack on top of Fluxbox?
Eu não sou a pessoa correta para fazer qualquer afirmação a este respeito, mas o @PPC é a pessoa que pode te dar mais detalhes sobre isso. Se os créditos dos programadores são incluídos nos códigos de programação do MX Linux, então, por favor, verifique se possui alguma referência ao @PPC nos códigos do programa utilizado no MX Linux-Fluxbox.
Se você instalar o pacote “ft10-transformation” no antiX Linux e executá-lo no gerenciador de janelas Fluxbox ou no JWM ou no IceWM poderá comparar com o que foi implementado no MX Linux-Fluxbox.
Eu venho ajudando a testar o que atualmente é chamado de FT10 desde o final do ano de 2020 e praticamente tudo foi desenvolvido ou implementado para o antiX pelo @PPC. Eu já vi várias vezes isto acontecer aqui, os programadores voluntários desenvolvem um programa e não necessariamente o código de programação é utilizado na íntegra pela equipe de desenvolvedores oficiais. Eu já ajudei a testar vários programas feitos pelos programadores voluntários onde a tradução para pt-BR funcionava perfeitamente, mas infelizmente na versão do programa que foi utilizado na ISO do antiX 21 não está funcionando corretamente da mesma forma que na versão que eu ajudei a testar, por exemplo, o unplugdrive, antix-wifi-switcher, etc.
PPC
Hi!
Like D.O. said, all of MXFB (MX-Linux Fluxbox) config files are available on-line and are open source. I haven’t used the latest version (I’ve tested it on a virtual machine), here’s a short comparison between both systems User Interface:
– Both MXFB and antiX Fluxbox with FT10 use the latest Fluxbox as Window Manager (antiX uses Icewm by default, and also includes JWM as another Floating Window Manager option)
– By default both MXFB and antiX with FT10 use a tint2 toolbar (FT10 has a tint2 toolbar that looks more like a dark Windows 10 theme, and includes icons to some scripts to manage the desktop, executors to display CPU and RAM usage in a human readadble way and a way to preview all now minimized windows)
– Both have a customized Fluxbox menu (antiX menu is more “traditional” than MXFB, that is very stylized and minimalist)
– If you click the “Start” button on MXFB’s toolbar, you get XFCE’s Application’s program (that lists apps by categories, allows you to search for apps, etc)
– If you click the “Start” button on FT10’s toolbar, you get a customized menu (that uses jgmenu. For now there are 2 menu templates: one with categories, another that lists applications in alphabetical order (à lá Windows 10/11, and also allows “static tiles”- large, editable buttons to quickly launch some favourite apps- this “tiles” look just like a mobile phone “home screen”, by design). Both menus allow you to search for apps, just by typing
– MXFB also includes a dock, by default on the left side of the screen (it’s fast and configurable, but unfortunately every icon you add to it uses quite some RAM just to be displayed)
– MXFB uses a particular software, managed by a very advanced script, to display desktop icons (they are in fact more like short cuts to applications). FT10 uses a rox/space/zzz managed desktop (in this particular case Fluxbox) to display desktop iconsFT10 was created to give antiX a similar look and feel to what most people are used in other OS’s without draining the system resources, and also adds quite some minor apps (like a Weather app, a News app, a Timer, a World clock, an Alarm, a Calendar, a link to a Maps application available on-line, a Translator). It aims to basically give antiX the same default apps anyone gets on a smartphone, by default. It also has GUI’s (Graphical User Interfaces) that allow to customize almost every single aspect of the toolbar and menu.
You can easily add/remove favourite icons to the toolbar or the menus.P.
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rokytnji
Running both. Mx uses network manager. antiX uses conman. Not sure about other differences.
I found it simpler just to run with what was available on a default install.
I have the skill to tweak fluxbox on antiX to look as kinky as hell.
Launchers in tint2.
wbar or cairo dock for that mac look.So I guess I will kick back and see where this thread goes.
Cuz I don’t have the energy to sit in front of screen for hours while I dress up the desktop.Been a default kind of guy lately because outdoor work.
Building shade. Fixing vehicles. Improving our place.My suggestion. A member on their own tweaks antiX to look like they like it. Use the backup install to iso tool to make your iso.
Release it and see if anyone else likes your changes.
Back when I did my fancy desktop changes. Making a iso on a installed system was not easy as it is now.
Anyways. That is my suggestion.So good luck folks.
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@rokytnji: I tend to agree with you. For one thing, a LOT of “eye candy” doesn’t mean all that much to me; regardless of the distribution, I tend to either use what’s there or possibly grab one or two nature scenes; in recent years I’ve been enjoying the Corbin, Kentucky “Cumberland Falls” images, and in the past year I found one that, in addition to the waterfall, also includes a partial “rainbow” across the Falls, so there’s no lack of that kind of stuff for anyone “so inclined”, and it’s equally easy to either “go with the default”, “use your own photography”, or “borrow” one of the thousands of images freely available. Same with other artifacts: if you use a window manager, a few of them have a collection of images, we have stuff here, or you can use your own creativity.
Frankly, on an “efficient” distribution, particularly when much of the time I’m using the majority of “screen real estate”, it really does not matter that much, but as you also stated, “A member on their own tweaks antiX to look like they like it.” In fact, that’s precisely what I do; if our release, in any particular year, looks “good enough”, I leave it alone unless I’m either bored or in an “artistic mood”. I say that with a chuckle because I don’t have all that much creativity myself, but I can appreciate good stuff, and it’s pretty easy to find, so my advice, like yours, is to find what you like, customize your own system, save your work, and possibly either snapshot or remaster it; that’s the easiest way to make Mas-Linux, Rocky-Linux, PPC-Linux, Marcelo-Linux, etc.!
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