Debian package lists names – help explain to me the hell :)

[Member arq.baramov]

Hi, like I see, packages list is one of or the most important in debian linux.
For 5-6 week I learned a lot but for my question I didn’t found clear answer.
The stages, also and names of repos are based on following gradation:

experimental
unstable = sid (named also sid)
testing = bookworm (future version)
stable = bullseye (current version )
oldstable = buster (previous version )

the moment I read the left column / part , I say to myself “ok, all clear” but on the next page on Deb site appear the following row, that is the same or part of infinity versions naming hell 🙂
[ stretch ] [ stretch-updates ] [ stretch-backports ] [ stretch-backports-sloppy ]
[ buster ] [ buster-updates ] [ buster-backports ]
[ bullseye ] [ bullseye-updates ] [ bullseye-backports ]
[ bookworm ] [ sid ] [ experimental ]

after research I got this :
uploads to a release-backports pocket are to be taken from release + 1,
uploads to a release-backports-sloppy pocket are to be taken from release + 2. …
… Backports are packages taken from the next Debian release (called “testing”),
adjusted and recompiled for usage on Debian stable. ….
…and backports are provided on an as-is basis, with risk
of incompatibilities with other components in Debian stable. Use with care!

ok, I understand column 1,2 3 of row 1,2,3, BUT, can someone explain me what is :
stretch-updates | buster-updates | bullseye-updates
ARE THOSE “-updates” stables ? or experimental, or testing, or they are some security, or what are YOUR RECOMENDATION ??? to add them on repos.list or not??
thanks in advance, and fell free to correct me, in my preamble of the question 🙂

[Moderator BobC]

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Why not just concern yourself with the version you are running, and investigate other versions when the need arises?

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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Just for general information, Debian releases have names, which happen to be the names of characters in the Toy Story movie series.
Debian 11 is Bullseye, for instance; the future Version 12 has the name Bookworm. The current unstable version is always called Sid.

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[Member arq.baramov]

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OK, I’m concern about REPOSITORIES !! I started with linux 2-3 days before last antiX relies. I install 32 bit on my very old laptop. then I read this is first 64 bit cpu of via-nano. Then I start to play with antiX-22 , brand new 64 bit. I sow so many repo’s in sinaptic, and I check them all. GREAT. I finish with WORKING every peace of my hardware on my very new beasty laptop. BUT !!! When I restart – there wasn’t antiX logo, it was blue debian screen, and only terminal. SO !!! for couple weeks I came to conclusion to have ONLY 2 REPO’s , ANTIX , AND DEBIAN bullseye – obviosly the stable one. 🙂 I’m just asking , did I’m missing something important from other repositories . If they are mirrors – on every ( bullseye main non-free ) there is the same contents. And mainly on those << bullseye-updates >> – is this some experimentals – to not play, or they store there important update / patches . other think is one of my format happens after attempting to install SNAPD – the pacage for snaps . And yes – maybe is right to speak about repo’s names, but they are connected – 40 folder with 3-4-5 branches is too much, with NO README file 🙂

[Moderator BobC]

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Best to start over. You are lucky it works at all.

Read the threads at the top of the list and figure out how things work, what to do, and what not to do before changing things.

[Member iznit]

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BobC advice seems wise — start over, a fresh install !

For 5-6 week I learned a lot

what are YOUR RECOMENDATION ??? to add them on repos.list or not??

Until you become VERY experienced, do not add or change repositories.

Later, if you discover a specific unmet need ((( for instance saw x_y_z program, or newer “must have” program in a debian backports repository ))) ask here in the forum for advice BEFORE temporarily adding the additional repository. Or before downloading a deb package file from some non-default repository.

one of my format happens after attempting to install SNAPD

“SNAPD” ((( requires presence of systemd ))) is not compatible with antix

[Member ile]

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a component of antiX sources is nosystemd

[Member sybok]

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My understanding (summarising the thread) so far:

1) By release: A) unstable=sid B) testing C) stable D) old-stable E) old-old-stable
2) Repository “source”: A) main B) contrib C) non-free
3) Any stable release has ‘backports’ from testing.
4) Security
5) Additional repositories that may or may not be available for the different releases (mentioned in item 1)) such as ‘multimedia’ or Microsoft repository (for stable only), to be used with care.

Not quite sure myself…

As @ile mentioned, ‘systemd’ is kept out of antiX using modification of the sources.
The antiX way is apt-pinning (assigning priority to a package or a repository; negative values prevent installation), see directory ‘/etc/apt/preferences.d/’.

[Forum Admin dolphin_oracle]

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the -updates repositories push updates out a little faster than but all the updates eventually make it into the stable repos.

I would stick with the defaults that antiX provides, given the special set up with nosystemd repository.

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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Multiple people, including dolphin_oracle, who is a developer and has also shared many helpful videos, BobC, who is a moderator here, iznit, an active contributor, and now, add me to the list.

We all recommend sticking to a default antiX configuration. Frankly I’d use ONLY this one until you’re able to explain what you’re doing and help others —>

stable = bullseye (current version )

• This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by Brian Masinick. Reason: Add iznit

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Brian Masinick

[Forum Admin rokytnji]

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Add me to the list. Just did upgrades on this box.

harry@scooter:~
$ inxi -r
Repos:
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/antix.list
    1: deb http://mirrors.rit.edu/mxlinux/mx-packages/antix/bullseye bullseye main nosystemd nonfree
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bullseye-backports.list
    1: deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-backports main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian-stable-updates.list
    1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/debian.list
    1: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free
    2: deb http://security.debian.org/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free
  Active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
    1: deb [arch=amd64] https://dl.google.com/linux/chrome/deb/ stable main
  No active apt repos in: /etc/apt/sources.list.d/various.list

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[Member ravacrafts]

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well, kudos to Antix debelopers indeed, but i am really getting sick and tired of working around multiple issues like connman drop offs, blueman failures to play audio due to conflict with pulse, and the last drop is missing support for snapd, come on, you guys! snapd is a part of debian, why we are having such handicapped debian 11? …switching to mx 21….

[Moderator BobC]

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I guess you didn’t know that the antiX developers are also a lot of the MX developers.

Good luck over there.

[Forum Admin anticapitalista]

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snapd requires systemd and we refuse to use systemd.

Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

[Member ravacrafts]

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BobC wrote:

I guess you didn’t know that the antiX developers are also a lot of the MX developers.

Good luck over there.

i knew it from the start, which makes me puzzled..why devs chose to have snapd support (systemd) on MX and refused to employ the same on Antix? if the same given team collaborates both projects, why excel one system and diminish the other? there must be a reason for just that…..installed MX21 , no dropping connman wifi so far, wifi performs great and there is no hassle with critical cmst errors, snapd installed without errors, conky even fancier that text mode on antix, youtube, iptv just flies….but yet bluetooth still sucks…

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