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ravacrafts
snapd requires systemd and we refuse to use systemd.
that is kinda an absurd…the same “we” opted not to refuse from systemd on MX….does it makes sense to anyone?
Xunzi_23
Qravacrafts
MX is an excellent but different project with different aims.Reading through your posts Ubuntu might be a better adress though.
The hell is for others…, all the time you are complaining and whinging about design
decisions you obviously have not researched, understood or made a serious attempt
to appreciate. You also overlook the fact not all change is positive.No systemD no Propriety tied to buntu or Red hat (snap) crap or bloated fatpack (flatpack) are
advantages and part of software freedom.Promise from me, my last answer to your posts,
I have tried very hard to be civil and kind.
christophe
that is kinda an absurd…the same “we” opted not to refuse from systemd on MX….does it makes sense to anyone?
ravacrafts, that is a large part of anticapitalista’s antiX identity (no systemd). Another part is the low-resource-using software used by default.
On your copy of antiX, you can remove/install anything you want. And you can use it as a base for your own distro if you want.But why be rude, combative, with your word choices: “absurd”, “does it make sense to anyone”?
Each Linux distro will be different & meet varying tastes/needs. If you don’t like this one, pick another one to use.
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
Brian Masinick
The choice of what design, approach, appearance, and content of any Linux distribution is 100% in the hands of the creator of the distribution.
As long as the licenses used in a work are honored, it is not only legitimate to create and produce a variety of different approaches, it is ENCOURAGED.
That is a PRIMARY reason that the GNU Public License and all of the subsequent versions were created.In a similar way, individuals or groups are allowed to use, modify and redistribute similar works provided the licensing and credits are given appropriately.
A recent example of this is Legacy OS 2023. The creator acknowledged antiX and basically reused most of it changing the appearance and little else.Someone else, if they were so inclined, could take antiX, use systemd or something else and redistribute it, though that makes little sense. If someone WANTED that, just take Debian and ONLY include certain things; you could make a small, light version of software similar to antiX except with init and a few minor other things based on Debian.
If it’s a personal, private work you can do 100% what you want. If you REDISTRIBUTE it, according to the license you must cite any and all licenses used to produce your work, acknowledging whatever you’ve copied, but it’s legal as long as you adhere to the rules in the license and the creators of the works.
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html – reference to GPL V3.0
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License – explanation, history and background of the GNU General Public License--
Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
I guess you didn’t know that the antiX developers are also a lot of the MX developers.
Good luck over there.
i knew it from the start, which makes me puzzled..why devs chose to have snapd support (systemd) on MX and refused to employ the same on Antix? if the same given team collaborates both projects, why excel one system and diminish the other? there must be a reason for just that…..installed MX21 , no dropping connman wifi so far, wifi performs great and there is no hassle with critical cmst errors, snapd installed without errors, conky even fancier that text mode on antix, youtube, iptv just flies….but yet bluetooth still sucks…
The history between antiX and MX Linux has always been close.
The first version of antiX was an offshoot of the predecessor to MX Linux – Simply MEPIS.
Once the early antiX were built, anticapitalista redesigned the environment and emphasis.When MEPIS ceased development, anticapitalista assisted the MEPIS Lovers developers to create MX Linux, and there has always been cooperation and sharing between the two teams; they are distinct, but they also collaborate and share software.
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techore
@ravacrafts, I was/am forced to use systemd, professionally, since its adoption by Red Hat. I choose to not use systemd personally. I am well versed in systemd. I can manage it and create units, yet, I prefer to use sysv, openrc, or runit over systemd when given the choice.
Let that sink in for a minute.
If you like snapd and by extension sytemd, I won’t judge but I am glad for antiX and grateful to anticapitalista and the other maintainers. I don’t always agree with their decisions, but I admire their work and commitment to the project.
Brian Masinick
@techore: Thank you for your explanation. I’m retired now, so I’m not forced or stuck with anything. I use a variety of distributions by choice.
Right now, for example, I’m using Endeavour OS at the moment, so I checked process 1 with ps ax, and it displaysID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND 1 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/lib/systemd/systemd --switched-root --system --deserialize=31so I have systemd on this distribution.
I also have siduction, a Debian Sid distribution and it also uses systemd.
The system management routines are certainly different, but as it turns out with both Endeavour OS and siduction that I’ve simply been using the two distributions occasionally, updating using their packaging tools, and I haven’t had to go hunting around to do anything else beyond regular package updates.
I’ve had both on my computers for a couple of years, so for casual users, that is really good news that it’s not necessary to use complicated system management programs very often.For me, if I ever do have to use some tools, it’s a matter of having access to the Internet to access and read enough information to get by. I certainly understand that to perform production system management matters on a daily basis it’s necessary to have immediate knowledge and ability; I’ve performed systems administration services professionally in multiple job assignments during the course of my career and I deliberately took on both systems administration and customer service responsibilities because I wanted to understand the issues behind the positions. I found that there is often a great deal of work to do, but most of the time, the challenge is NOT the technology for a reasonably good admin, it’s time and people skills management. I found that only a few administrators had both technical and people skills, so when I took on my first systems administration position, within the very first week I went to a small team that basically helped out the remaining team and took on one or two problem servers in addition.
I’m sure that a skilled, good communicator like you is able to manage and overcome whatever issues arise. I choose to use a variety of systems so that I’m able to understand them and potentially help others with them.
While I definitely prefer runit and I’ve found that a lean, efficient distribution is all I really need, so antiX is my stopping point every day, but I use many distributions so I can speak with knowledge and experience. The truth is that nearly any good distribution works fine, regardless of the packaging, process management, or user environment. From Slackware to Red Hat, Arch and Endeavour to Debian and antiX, all of them are completely able to handle the majority of use cases. The clear area where antiX stands out is when resources are an issue. We know from experience how well antiX provides lean, efficient operation and performance. We also know that process management is efficient whenever we use antiX.
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Brian MasinickBobC
Not complaining, but my older, slower, low memory systems are very challenged trying to run any of the full desktop environment systems. SystemD seems to hinder them even more, and it takes so long to do things that by the time the screen is up you are wondering if something is broken.
As time goes by, features get added and progress get larger. If your machines hardware doesn’t get upgraded to match, the end effect is sluggish performance. antiX is one of the few systems where to the developers, performance is a high priority, and you find the antiX versions of packages in many cases are tuned for reduced memory usage.
When I fire up my old machines I really appreciate that effort. Without it, those machines would be almost unusable.
Promise from me, my last answer to your posts,
I have tried very hard to be civil and kind.But why be rude, combative, with your word choices: “absurd”, “does it make sense to anyone”?
well, first, the title of this forum states – Antix Forum – Forum for users of Antix Linux. Mean and Lean and proudly antifascist….
i probably won’t hear(read) from Xunzi-23, as he promised to ignore my posts, but am curious to know his understanding and definition of being civil and kind, if it makes him feel hard to remain civil and kind while reading my comments as a user of Antix, then i am affraid for him it is not proudly antifascist anymore…if my comments made him uncomfortable to remain civil and kind, then I am sorry , but his civil and kind qualities are very poor….and for the other , i wonder what is definition of rudeness and how words like “absurd, does not make sense” from an antix user turned into category of a rude content? If this forum states that it is meant for users of proudly antifascist product, what have i expressed wrong then? I would recommend to add a line under the forum title: ” no complaints and whinning allowed and will be not tolerated” ..and lastly, …I am really sorry if my comments as of a frustrated user of antix made some folks feel bad due to my “rudeness” and made some folks hard to remain civil and kind and feel fascistic towards me…may you be blessed and have peace in mind, as I remain antifascistically yours….
techore
i probably won’t hear(read) from Xunzi-23, as he promised to ignore my posts, but am curious to know his understanding and definition of being civil and kind, if it makes him feel hard to remain civil and kind while reading my comments as a user of Antix, then i am affraid for him it is not proudly antifascist anymore…if my comments made him uncomfortable to remain civil and kind, then I am sorry , but his civil and kind qualities are very poor….and for the other , i wonder what is definition of rudeness and how words like “absurd, does not make sense” from an antix user turned into category of a rude content?
@ravacrafts, based on your response, I am reading that you didn’t mean to be rude or offend. Thank you for clarifying. Others interpretation of your posts may have read it as negative or critical. I won’t delve into the content being sensible or nonsensical. Not constructive in my opinion. However, I have read the post three times and I can see how it may have rubbed others the wrong way. It may be helpful to find someone you trust to review your post and obtain feedback and guidance.
We are community. We don’t always agree but even in disagreeing we can learn from the exchanges.
Brian Masinick
@BobC I think you’re right. On the hardware where I can run different operating systems easily, there’s no shortage of any key resources.
Conversely when I run on the older systems most of them will run Linux but they run considerably better with resource conservative software.
I was able to successfully put MX Linux on a couple of them or run it live and it worked. Note that MX Linux provided an alternative to systemd.
Nevertheless I am running antiX on all of them now and as a result they run pretty much like they ran when they were newer!
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