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Sito75
Thanks for the explanation fungalnet, in spanish we use a single word (contraseña) to say passphrase, password, passkey…, I only knew password and passkey.
No need corrections, you said it perfect! compañer@s from basque country are true warriors 😉- This reply was modified 3 years, 6 months ago by Sito75.
Siempre antifascista
PPC
On Christmas Eve someone posted this review on DistroWatch (with the Rating of 1):
Ummm... not for me. Setting aside the included questionable links, it's a bit of a pain to use. Would NOT recommend for beginners. Though it's geared for older machines, it feels very fragmented and thrown together. If looking for a light distro for old machines, Sparky Linux.I have no problem with the first line, not all OS’s are for everyone. I even get the point about not liking anti’s Firefox links…
But a “pain to use” and “very fragmented and thrown together”?
In my opinion one of the beauties of antiX 19 is that it looks so well put together that it looks and feels like it uses it’s own Desktop Environment, not simply Window Managers as it’s interface …
There are some minor usability faults: Control Centre looks great and has a very unified look, except for Time and Date (my fault, sorry, I’m a hobbyist, not a professional programmer) and also I would make the “USB ejector” show less windows- a normal user does not need to see so many windows to eject a thumb-drive…
Other than these minor usability problems… I find no fault with antiX 19…
True that the review was about 19.1, that I’ve not tested, but it’s a point release, I believe antiX usability has not changed in this version…P.
ModdIt
You can not take DW seriously, our group did an experiment, of all reviews posted on different days, from user owned machines none were published.
Browsers used were Palemoon, Firefox LTS, Firefox Quantum, Waterfox. All posts were from kids homes and were explicitly never to be discussed.
Total known to me is more than 30 reviews for AntiX, none were published.
USB ejector is crazy, so many windows.
Bigger issue is getting wifi to work on Broadcom devices. That was never a problem for any of our group until 19 release. I am really annoyed about that because we
have quite a number of devices affected. Personally I ended up fitting another card to get my travel netbook working correctly again, in the process I broke off some
of the flimsy tabs holding my keyboard. Bad.
Users expect improvements with new versions not this kind of regression. Its feels like timeshift to 2015, the last time I was hit by a wifi problem like this..
Within the user group we can cope with installation of Libreoffice from Backports as well as getting more recent Gimp from Debian.
But: Comments from prospective users coming from windows indicate that they are put off by the age of some software in Antix repo and the steps needed to
rectify the situation. Even in 19.1 the included version is archived at LO org and lacking functionality needed to keep classes together. Having windows
and Linux versions too far apart is not a good idea, it opens more windows for mobbing the Linux users who are by far the poorer kids.
Worse still old version lacks some needed compatibility with MS products for school.Right now none of us would wish to give a 10 for Antix 19, maybe 19.1 but as yet no opinion on that. A quick poll showed Version 17 is still by far the favorite.
The quoted review is in our opinion just more trashy down voting or trolling. Trolls favor 1 it seems, more or less in line with the perceived IQ of these ancient
pests.BobC
I am not having Broadcom problems right now, but agree that connecting to the internet via hard wire or wifi, even with old devices for antiX should be a very high priority because the OS is expected to work on old systems, and if people can’t connect they will get frustrated and give up or write bad reviews.
Moddit libreoffice issues are real, and we should realize that we should help kids running linux in classrooms to keep up with and excel above the windows system wherever we can. They will remember that someone helped them, and learn to help others themselves. Maybe make it easy to install and run a current app image which would allow them to keep it very up to date as needed.
On the USB removal issue, I agree that the first window that asks if you want to remove USB devices is redundant because after that, if there are any it pops up a list that you can cancel from if you made a mistake and don’t want to remove any.
I have written reviews for some distros and some appeared later, some didn’t.
With any negative reviews it makes sense to address any problems brought up, but beyond that a review of 1 is just someone who is trying to hurt the distro, and in time that review will scroll off as new ones get posted. I suppose someone who thinks the distro deserves more than a 1 will post a review soon…
Total known to me is more than 30 reviews for AntiX, none were published.
I noticed that “problem”- I tried to post, I think 3 reviews, from two 19 betas, and the final 19 version, none got posted… But my first 2 reviews, on antix 17.X and one older one, maybe on 17 or 16.X did get posted… Strange to say the least.
Maybe when I’m not so far behind on my work I can try to fiddle with the USB ejector script and make it easier to use…
I never did have any problem connecting to the internet with antiX 19… I did have some problems with the betas, that got solved. Now the worse I get is, if the wi-fi signal is low on strength, I have to use connman to disconnet and then reconnect to my network again…
No problem at all with wi-fi on my netbook, on my desktop machine I use wired network. A wired connection never ever failed me, on any distro I tested…Someone has to try to talk anticapitalista to try to have a more modern version of LibreOffice, out of the box… or at least include a easy way for newbies to use LO appimages, that are always on the latest version and are already translated to their own language ( that does not happen out of the box in antiX, I never knew why… users have to install LO translations by themselves…)
Also, despite not beeing opensouce- making WPS and freeoffice available under the Control Centre would be nice- reducing office file incompatibility down to near zero. Also- last resource- using the web version of MS Office…P.
Hi to all once more, we are having trouble with those Broadcom devices using older drivers. For example B43 did not install correctly on my netbook and was uninstallable. I still
haveńt removed all the numerous remains. Wired has been working but is not available in most of the kids households. These are renting family’s, many like mine single
parent, installing cables is ideal for performance and privacy but just not practical.
On LO Please no app images, we have a Debian system with a very perfect packaging system, the debs are available at LO org and in Buster Backports. I have used both sources and for now
finalized on Backports. Why, because teaching how to install and remove packages including compiling is part of my mission, fixing trouble too, I want to keep that as understandable
as possible. Installing the language packs is standard with exception of US English, that also applies to user Interface and Browsers, Spell checkers etc, I see no reason to change that
or increase complexity, no users complaining about it either. In general within the group at least three language packs are installed, often more.
WPS and Free office, sorry, one nearby Flagship school is Libreoffice only. That was not my work but an inspiration. Both are good, I like free office but it is struggling to keep up with
MS Incompatibility just as are other packets. WPS wants to send too much data to mommy. Web version of MS Office costs 7 Euro each month if the school is not affiliate, it is also a massive
privacy and profiling concern with which I do not agree. MS has made it hard for users too with online office not working correctly unless user agent is spoofed to Windoze. There seem to be
some other incidental problems too. We all do know MS is absolutely neutral on OS usage. It is another cancer in the Linux Ecosystem.
Gimp, we need, It must be pretty up to date. Should not be too hard an issue as Steve Pusser seems highly involved in MX, he is a Gimp hero doing a lot of up to date builds. For our stick I
took Gimp from Debian Unstable, it is dependent on GMIC which I pulled from GMIC eu website. Works great with functional and stability better than the version standard in AntiX.
Darktable and Blender are also very popular essentials for some users, also flagship linux projects.
I was also asked to include the problem media autoplay, cd and dvd that is. I have cd working with VLC, another user in the forum same for Clementine. Still stuck Getting DVD to autoplay, that
is important for a pet project where I would like to set up a media room in an old peoples home, maybe another in a center for disabled youth. Both are cash strapped and need easy to repair
equipping, me too so I would want to recycle as much hardware as possible. Usage must be simple. Basically Kiosk, Plug and Play needed for user media along with browsing functionality.Long post, sorry but this is important to attract and keep users, especially at this time with Win 7 EOL coming soon and much of the hardware it is running on needs a lightweight and easy to use OS.
ex_Koo
The main thing to take from a negative is to turn it into a positive. If something is not working just fix it.
To me inclusion of runit into antiX 19 was a great move. Enhance what you all ready have antiX.
antiX is already the best Linux I have ever used just keep making antiX better. One of the main things I like about antiX is you learn how Linux works it is more hands on , and is not based around one desktop environment like so many other Linuxes and it is not a windows replacement type system. I for one never came to Linux looking for a replacement for windows, I wanted to learn how computer systems worked have more control over my system break it fix it and explore new things make it more my own.- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by ex_Koo.
- This reply was modified 3 years, 4 months ago by ex_Koo.
@Koo You say The main thing to take from a negative is to turn it into a positive. If something is not working just fix it. I agree.
Please do not misunderstand, I can fix things for myself, for our group, Share my somewhat limited knowledge and insights in forums
as well as in public.I am not bashing AntiX or Anti ever anywhere, I give this outstanding distro a lot of support..
Having a bunch of young users 8 to 19 years old along with a couple around 55 along with the present oldest me at 70 plus with diverse hardware
brings a lot of what I consider useful insight. Discussing reasons for not using either any form of Linux and Antix is useful too, prejudice and
misinformation is one side of the coin, the other is having a stable base and the needed software up to date. Again I can do that for a limited
number of users.Please consider most of us here in the forum are not in our youths, do not sit with an old donated laptop between kids with Mac Book Pro and latest
other offers from MS, Dell, HP to name a few. We can work as well or often better with our older hardware but need the tools to do so. We also think
providing a wider audience with the same up to date tools would improve the distro as well as making it more attractive to prospective new users.You write about using a rather differnt WM, most of the kids think keyboard shortcuts are black art, including my daughter. I use shortcuts she still
stubbornly pushes a mouse even for simple things like cut and paste. Its like some kind of insiduous Brain Rot.
Sit next to someone using a touchscreen working on a similar assignment, you may die of laughing at the totaly inifficient crap people are trying to use
for serious work.
Ice is at present most used WM, reason being it feels familiar enough for user comfort and is fast. Learning to use tiling wms seems to be more effort
than most are prepared to invest when they have to use Windoze at work now or later.If someone knows and uses the keyboard shortcuts the computer is much quicker getting many tasks done.
That’s why I’m always looking to have the things that I do most often on shortcuts, and why I want to have the lists of them readily available so I learn and use them.
There are also things that the mouse is better at, and I see no reason not to use it then. Imo its smart to use the best tools available.
Just my 2 cents worth.
I was not asking anyone to do anything just saying what I have done. I give up…
Brian Masinick
The main thing to take from a negative is to turn it into a positive. If something is not working just fix it.
To me inclusion of runit into antiX 19 was a great move. Enhance what you all ready have antiX.
antiX is already the best Linux I have ever used just keep making antiX better. One of the main things I like about antiX is you learn how Linux works it is more hands on , and is not based around one desktop environment like so many other Linuxes and it is not a windows replacement type system. I for one never came to Linux looking for a replacement for windows, I wanted to learn how computer systems worked have more control over my system break it fix it and explore new things make it more my own.I too appreciate the value of alternatives, and antiX has always offered an effective, lightweight alternative to the status quo. Moreover, over the years, antiX has added multiple alternatives to the original distribution vision, now offering full, base, core, and net distribution builds, each of which can be built backed by any of the Debian repositories – stable, testing, unstable – and even “experimental”. Recently our development team has been experimenting with prototypes for the init (we’ve used sysinitv, Debian uses systemd, now antiX is prototyping work with runit).
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Brian Masinick
fungalnet
1st On topic: Dostrowatch is a business. I don’t know how it started but it is clearly a profit oriented enterprise. When doing so you are bound to serve the interests of your best clients. Those who believe that media can exist without a bias are either too naive, are biased themselves, or they are representing other interests or their own by trying to convince other people by this myth; of unbiased media.
Or am I off-topic? Take a few seconds to think before you take the safety out and shoot me, for saying so.
2nd off-topic: Those of us who started computing before a mouse came out, before graphical desktops and windows came out, we learned how to use shortcuts because it was the only way to do things. Whether it was dos or pre-X unix, that is how things worked. Those who first layed eyes on their parents’ computer that had a mouse on it and started playing pre-school games clicking on a mouse, it is understandable to have this bias. Why memorize useless crap like ctrl-shift-space to get a terminal when you can just click on a menu item or an icon that says terminal on it. We are moving to this new generation now that don’t know what a keyboard or a mouse it because their only experience is a touch-screen. Why reach and click on things when you can double touch them on the screen?
3rd way off topic: Openbox is the most widely used wm, especially when several desktops are built on top of it. Have you tried bspwm, a tiling minimal wm? Give it a few weeks of learning and tweaking and it becomes a desktop if that is what you like. And JWM? Have you seen what Obarun or 4MLinux has done with JWM? If you install it from debian and not give it a chance you are not going to be very impressed. Even somebody who has never read, let alone write, scripts before can figure out jwm in a day or two. Shortcuts! Even people who reject this tendency once they realize how easily they can configure them they may become shortcut fanatics. i3 … that is really just for kids, who want to show off how big of “hackers” they have become and how many monitors they can tile stuff around to with shortcuts. You can keep that one!
Back to topic: You expect someone who has only used ubuntu on a top of the line game machine to be impressed by antiX? How about someone who has used nothing other than gnome, cinnamon, or plasma? antiX, with their mindset, has nothing to offer. Why would someone with a 16 core 4GHz 64GB-ram and 2TB ssd, care about if antiX IceWm boots up with 123MB ram on a single core atom with 512MB-ram? They can run 30 such machines in vm and have all of them compile huge pieces of software and each of the 30 will beat that one atom. Is this the kind of user you want in your/our community? The one who will whine about his pulseaudio and video editor that worked better on Mint?
There is no bad publicity, it is all good. Some people can read through the negative comments and become even more interested. According to comments and reviews there can’t be any worse distribution than gentoo, but thankfully we can see right through the smoke and the noise. Even if we dislike it we know it is good!
You want a different picture for antiX? Just gather some money and dump it in that guy’s pocket and you will see a pretty picture. It is that simple. He has to make a living out of this, I didn’t find anywhere him stating that he is doing it to bring peace to the world and help humanity. If you don’t like capitalism do something about it. If not just accept the power that DW has to affect your influx of new users.
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christophe
fungalnet said:
Is this the kind of user you want in your/our community? The one who will whine about his pulseaudio and video editor that worked better on Mint?
There is no bad publicity, it is all good. Some people can read through the negative comments and become even more interested. According to comments and reviews there can’t be any worse distribution than gentoo, but thankfully we can see right through the smoke and the noise. Even if we dislike it we know it is good!
Wow. Right on.
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
christophe
I don’t disagree with much of anything written above (in the last couple of days, anyway). It seems anticapitalisa has to walk a thin line between making this distro what people want it to be, and making it what his own vision of the distro is. Surely he makes concessions to user requests. And I think (as I believe everyone here thinks) he does a fine job with it all. He’ll probably take into account some of the above suggestions. (And he’ll make the hard(?) decisions regarding them. I’m sure he’s developed a thick skin regarding criticism, over the years.)
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
I didn’t see the complaint for it on distrowatch, but tweaked the unplugdrive.sh script to have a “safemode” that defaults to FALSE. It reduces the number of pop up windows by 2.
Just in case someone knows how to fix this: An odd thing I found was that the author had intended to kill the “Please wait” window, but wasn’t getting the correct pid, and that’s why that window stays up, because the kill didn’t work. I was unsuccessful fixing that because I didn’t know how to get the correct pid, but with safemode FALSE it neither pops up, nor does it need to be killed, so its a non-issue.
If others wanted to test it, if liked, maybe anti will include it.
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