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As most will know I have an old HP G60 running AntiX-22 LXDE Full in a super efficient manner.
So I am surprised that the fan is always running – admittedly gently most of the time. Is this waste of power really necessary? I have ensured air pathway is clean by reverse vacuuming.
My other old Laptop – Dell E6420 i7 running ZorinOS seems to only deploy the fan as needed. Do I need to get my hearing checked out 🙂
Is there an easy software solution? – thanks
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blur13
There might be some fan options in the BIOS. There are some software options available that may work, but I wouldnt mess with it. The fan is there for a reason.
olsztyn
So I am surprised that the fan is always running – admittedly gently most of the time. Is this waste of power really necessary? I have ensured air pathway is clean by reverse vacuuming.
My other old Laptop – Dell E6420 i7 running ZorinOS seems to only deploy the fan as needed. Do I need to get my hearing checked outThis is a very good question. In principle (IMO) the laptop fan should not run all the time but only if there is any need to keep the CPU temperature down to acceptable operating range. In the past when I had Conkey I defined both CPU temp and fan speed in the Conky and observed correlation between CPU temp and fan speed. The way I remember the fan speed was dropping down to zero when the temperature was low enough, such as if the laptop was idle for a while…
Just to mention in relation to antiX: In principle antiX is probably the best for verification as antiX is very efficient in CPU and memory use, therefore running apps very efficiently. If the fan is not spinning down to zero if the laptop running antiX is idle for a while that means to me the hardware should be looked at, such as BIOS config or manufacturer option.Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
rokytnji
harry@scooter:~ $ sensors iwlwifi_1-virtual-0 Adapter: Virtual device temp1: +56.0°C acpitz-acpi-0 Adapter: ACPI interface temp1: +27.8°C (crit = +110.0°C) temp2: +29.8°C (crit = +110.0°C) nct6776-isa-0a00 Adapter: ISA adapter Vcore: 1.58 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +1.74 V) in1: 1.35 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM AVCC: 3.33 V (min = +2.98 V, max = +3.63 V) +3.3V: 3.33 V (min = +2.98 V, max = +3.63 V) in4: 1.01 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM in5: 0.00 V (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) in6: 224.00 mV (min = +0.00 V, max = +0.00 V) ALARM 3VSB: 3.31 V (min = +2.98 V, max = +3.63 V) Vbat: 3.15 V (min = +2.70 V, max = +3.63 V) fan1: 0 RPM (min = 0 RPM) fan2: 3409 RPM (min = 0 RPM) SYSTIN: +63.0°C (high = +0.0°C, hyst = +0.0°C) ALARM sensor = thermistor CPUTIN: +37.5°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) sensor = CPU diode AUXTIN: +45.0°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) sensor = CPU diode PCH_CHIP_CPU_MAX_TEMP: +42.0°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) PECI Agent 0: +41.0°C (high = +80.0°C, hyst = +75.0°C) (crit = +105.0°C) PCH_CHIP_TEMP: +0.0°C PCH_CPU_TEMP: +0.0°C intrusion0: OK intrusion1: OK beep_enable: disabled coretemp-isa-0000 Adapter: ISA adapter Package id 0: +42.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 0: +41.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C) Core 1: +40.0°C (high = +105.0°C, crit = +105.0°C)box running Icewm.
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How to Search for AntiX solutions to your problemsYou are right @ rockytnji.
I just left one of my laptops (T410) idle for a few minutes and neither cpu temp not cpu fan speed is not coming down significantly. Live antiX 22 runit.
I will test other laptops. My fan rpm just half of yours but still expected to stop at some point.
From my perspective it is not necessarily the power utilization issue as much as the fact that fan is one of the weakest link in laptops longevity. Quite a few of my laptops gave ghost due to fan failure at some point. Replacing fan is not usually cost/effort justified from my experience.Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_ParametersModdIt
Let Mr Andy stop the fan from running if he so wishes, he should remember.
You knew better, you did it, dont bitch about the consequences which may take a while to manifest themselves…
For the sake of all users, readers. Cooling is critical.
The fan or fans in a loptop are usualy the sole a source of airflow and cool not just CPU but also other critical components,
Laptops have extremely limited convection cooling due to tightly packed componenets under a keyboard and or under a RF
protection, often a metal plate which to be effective must protect many components. Air is pulled in through carefuly
placed openings and and ejected hot through another vent.In general older devices are of lower power efficiency = more heat to get out of the case.
Reverse vacuaming whatever that means will not clean a laptop cooling system effectively.
In shop cases are opened fans gently cleaned with a soft brush to remove the crud and dust especialy on edge at intake side
then held with the brush and the dust blown out with compressed air in the direction of an extractor = at home vacuum cleaner.
If needed cleaning fluid of choice sparingly used. Be careful, never flush out lubricant.On older devices the paste or pads on CPU GPU is replaced after careful component cleaning using a non conductive compound
of choice. In our case from arctic.Fans are also often given a tiny drop of oil while case open. Method is described in detail in an older forum thread.
When a fan runs rough, noisy, squeak or even shriek you may be able to run it for years after lubricating.
On some exceptionaly high quality devices bearings can be renewed.Fan replacement cost, depends on device and part availability, if you have to pay a shop technician it may well mean device
becomes BER, beyond economic repair. In a local shop those devices are often left behind by customers for disposal. Later
repaired in slow work periods and sold. Sometimes stripped for hard to obtain, expensive spares.blur13
My experience is that the older the laptop the louder the fan. My old eee pc gets exceedingly hot while running, even while doing light tasks. Modern laptops are more silent, presumably because the processors are much more powerful and only a fraction of the processing power is required in most day to day operations. In order to get the fans spinning at full effect you need to do something heavy like compile using all cores.
Well Guys – what can I say – except for the usual negative vibes and bitching from the usual suspect – a huge thank you 🙂 So much so that I do not know what to write or how to write it. Suppose I should write in order of posts but so happy as sitting here with the fan now barely audible, Ffox, Hardinfo and LO Writer open; it is difficult for the old fool to concentrate.
Yes Blur13 – you were quite right so I dived into Bios and found fan always on enabled so I disabled it. Booting up and firing up Ffox with no audible sound from the fan – big smile 🙂
Firing up LO I listened carefully and could only just detect the fan so I fired up Hardinfo to make sure all was okay – big smile 🙂 just how I like it 🙂 Thank you all. – see screenshot below….Thanks yet again to olsztyn – right on the money. Could not agree more 🙂 Thank you.
Thanks to Forum Admin’s rokytnji for a very interesting set of figures which I will study in detail – I never knew what were critical temperatures – now I know.
Guess you know a thing or two about air vs liquid cooled bikes? Also I would wager knows exactly what I mean by reverse flushing filters and why? 🙂 🙂Blur13 great to see you are getting a device that AFAIK was never intended to run your tasks. You will appreciate that my old HP G60 was used around the world running 2D and 3D CAD SolidWorks – it was bought for this purpose but unfortunately I had no choice but accept WinVista Home Premium – Yuk – Barf Out..!
Thanks to GNU Trisquel OS it was rescued from oblivion and miniMAX was born 🙂 🙂 🙂 Then year on year it got slower till v10 Trisquel and it was time to abandon ubuntu LTS ship. By accident I discovered AntiX-22 Full and my miniMAX set up ran just as slick as it ever did 🙂 As usual the mere mention of LXDE sent admin and Mods into panic and so the smear campaign started.
As most will know my willingness to help has been misconstrued. As can be seen above. Duh – OK – just take the following as raw information – nothing else. I am a 72 year old freelance design engineer of some reputation – I cannot alter my history of living in squats, begging, benefits, biker or Jet-Set, company directorships or paying super tax at 50%. So reverse flushing or vacuuming is incredibly simple and known since I was a boy. Just play with a tea strainer…!!!
Shit sticks to one side of the filter in the direction of flow – simple. No amount of blowing in the same direction will remove it – so anybody with a little savvy will reverse the flow and easily remove most of the crap – simple or what 🙂 This is not down to my attitude or style; it is just pure common sense in its simplest form 🙂 So can the Mods and fanboys get off my case? – thanks. Let’s play fair with no false claims about efficiency; then as we can see here, we all move forwards 🙂Still running cool with an almost silent fan 🙂
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Is it really having too much power consumption by a Fan? I don’t think so, even a fan is helping your processor to cool down and also maintain the temperature of other component inside the cabinet.
Is it really having too much power consumption by a Fan? I don’t think so, even a fan is helping your processor to cool down and also maintain the temperature of other component inside the cabinet.
From my perspective it is not about power consumption. It is minimal. It is more about the fan failing after some time if used excessively and unnecessarily. Failed fan means pretty much dead laptop and replacing the fan is often a difficult project….
Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters
oops
Is it really having too much power consumption by a Fan? I don’t think so, even a fan is helping your processor to cool down and also maintain the temperature of other component inside the cabinet.
You are right, the others components do not like the hot temperatures, for the longevity too.
Xunzi_23
straxjulia* oops, you are bad for business. Sales are down since months. Overheated laptops usually
beyond economic repair.Fans induce airflow to cool the components of a computer/laptop so that they stay within their design
temperature range and planned lifetime limits. Forced airflow protects components such as processor
chipset components, disks, GPU, critical voltage regulators condensers from overheating or lasting
high temperatures which drastically shorten service lifetime..Most laptops are densely packed and have little or no passive cooling. i.e. Fan is a critical component.
Some modern laptops and netbooks have no fan and in some cases will not last warranty period.
Passive cooling is working in specially designed desktop and some tower computers
On business laptops which are designed to be easy to maintain cleaning heat exchanger with or without fan
replacement easy and quick.It is also more energy efficient quieter and safer to run a fan at a relatively constant speed which anticipates
loads and resulting heat.- This reply was modified 4 months, 3 weeks ago by Xunzi_23.
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