[antiX-sid users only]Do not upgrade (1 March 2024)!

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  • #135096
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    anticapitalista

      Lots of changes in sid – he wants to break your toys.
      Do not upgrade.
      If you didn’t pay attention, time to restore your backup.

      • This topic was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by anticapitalista.

      Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

      antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

      #135103
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      abc-nix

        Testing seems to be OK for now. Thanks for the headsup.

        #135106
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        Robin

          Thread title should mention this is about SID merely.

          Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

          #135108
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          anticapitalista

            Thread title should mention this is about SID merely.

            It has been posted in the Sid Upgraders section

            Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

            antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

            #135110
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            Robin

              It has been posted in the Sid Upgraders section

              Surely, I’m fully aware of this. But this is not that eye-catching when staring the ›recent posts‹, the most important part ›in sid upgraders‹ is written in microprint, hardly to read at all. Users might easily get worried unnecessarily when not entering the sid upgraders board section directly on purpose.

              Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

              #135124
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              olsztyn

                I, on the contrary, consider today’s upgrade as valuable. Particularly a significant upgrade of Calibre, which is the top rated document handling for e-ink ebook devices, such as Kindle or Nook.

                I am not experiencing any issues resulting from relevant upgrades in sid today, but as usual:
                – Do not upgrade nosystemd components to plain ones
                – Do not install elogind/libelogind0
                – Do not remove vital system components without replacing them with newer version
                – Also as a rule I do not upgrade to beta level components, but this rule might be considered an overkill…

                However, in today’s upgrade in sid I see a potentially ominous trend developing, which might be contrary to antiX’ strategy…
                Namely I see many components, which previously were not dependent on libelogind0, now their upgrade entails installation of libelogind0. They (existing) components are not suffixed ‘-antix’, so I am assuming they were not previously modified to libelogind0-free version. Unless they were modified to be libelogind0-free by anticapitalista, but their version were not changed to indicate -nosystemd or -antix… Only anticapitalista knows the answer, I think.

                If the number of components is growing to entail installation of libelogind0 and their existing versions were not modified accordingly by anticapitalista this would meean an increased pressure on antiX’ strategy…

                Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
                http://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

                #135137
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                stevesr0

                  Hi all,

                  I have been hit by this in spite of having systemd packages (elogind, libelogind0 and libsystemd0) on permanent hold. My system seems to work in general, but printing is gone. Luckily, this is only my fun testing machine.

                  Noted changes in multiple cups files and have run simulated “downgrades” to former nosystemd versions, but after adding several cups files to one simulated install, apt wishes to remove (NOT recommend autoremove) a mess of packages that I don’t want removed.

                  I may continue to play with simulated reversions, but waiting for upgrades to nosystemd packages may be smarter for most who don’t have the time to play with simulated installs.

                  #135144
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                  anticapitalista

                    This is what I get on my desktop.
                    Isn’t it clear enough that user should bail out?

                    249 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.

                    Reading package lists... Done
                    Building dependency tree... Done
                    Reading state information... Done
                    Calculating upgrade... Done
                    The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
                      flags-common gdal-data gdal-plugins gir1.2-gst-plugins-bad-1.0 libaec0 libarmadillo12 libarpack2 libblosc1 libboost-python1.83.0 libcfitsio10 libcharls2 libfabric1 libfreexl1 libfyba0 libgdal34t64
                      libgdcm-dev libgdcm3.0t64 libgeos-c1v5 libgeos3.12.1 libgeotiff5 libgl2ps1.4 libgstreamer-opencv1.0-0 libhdf4-0-alt libhdf5-103-1 libhdf5-hl-100 libhwloc-plugins libhwloc15 libimath-dev libinput-dev
                      libkmlbase1 libkmldom1 libkmlengine1 liblept5 libmtdev-dev libmunge2 libnetcdf19 libnsl-dev libogdi4.1 libopencv-calib3d406t64 libopencv-core-dev libopencv-core406t64 libopencv-dnn-dev libopencv-dnn406t64
                      libopencv-features2d406t64 libopencv-flann-dev libopencv-flann406t64 libopencv-imgcodecs-dev libopencv-imgcodecs406t64 libopencv-imgproc-dev libopencv-imgproc406t64 libopencv-ml-dev libopencv-ml406t64
                      libopencv-photo-dev libopencv-photo406t64 libopencv-shape-dev libopencv-shape406t64 libopencv-video-dev libopencv-video406t64 libopencv-videoio-dev libopencv-videoio406t64 libopencv-viz-dev
                      libopencv-viz406t64 libopenexr-dev libopenmpi3 libopenmpt-modplug1 libpmix2 libproj25 libpsm-infinipath1 libpsm2-2 libqhull-r8.0 libqt5positioning5 libqt5qml5 libqt5qmlmodels5 libqt5qmlworkerscript5
                      libqt5quick5-gles libqt5quickparticles5 libqt5quickshapes5 libqt5script5 libqt5sensors5 libqt5webchannel5 libqt5x11extras5 librttopo1 libsocket++1 libspatialite8 libsuperlu6 libsz2 libtbb-dev libtbb12
                      libtbbbind-2-5 libtbbmalloc2 libtesseract5 libucx0 libvlc-bin libvlc5 libvlccore9 libvte-dev libvtk9.1 libwacom-dev libxerces-c3.2 libxnvctrl0 netselect netselect-apt proj-data python3-imath python3-numpy
                      qt5-qmltooling-plugins repo-list vlc-bin vlc-data vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output winff-data
                    Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.
                    The following packages will be REMOVED:
                      antix-user bootrepair-antix iso-snapshot iso-template-antix libapt-pkg6.0 libarchive13 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatm1 libbson-1.0-0 libburn4 libcdio-cdda2 libcdio-paranoia2 libcdio19 libcom-err2 libcups2
                      libcups2-dev libcupsimage2 libcupsimage2-dev libdvdread8 libdw1 libelf1 libext2fs2 libflac12 libfuse2 libgdal34 libgnutls-dane0 libgnutls-openssl27 libgnutls30 libgpgme11 libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-dev
                      libgtk-3-0 libgtk2.0-0 libgtkmm-3.0-1v5 libhd21 libhogweed6 libimlib2 libiso9660-11 libiw30 libixml11 liblirc-client0 liblirc0 libmagic1 libmagickwand-6.q16-7 libmicrohttpd12 libmongoc-1.0-0 libmpeg3-2
                      libmtdev1 libnetsnmptrapd40 libnettle8 libnorm1 libopencv-calib3d-dev libopencv-calib3d406 libopencv-contrib-dev libopencv-contrib406 libopencv-core406 libopencv-dev libopencv-dnn406
                      libopencv-features2d-dev libopencv-features2d406 libopencv-flann406 libopencv-highgui-dev libopencv-highgui406 libopencv-imgcodecs406 libopencv-imgproc406 libopencv-ml406 libopencv-objdetect-dev
                      libopencv-objdetect406 libopencv-photo406 libopencv-shape406 libopencv-stitching-dev libopencv-stitching406 libopencv-superres-dev libopencv-superres406 libopencv-video406 libopencv-videoio406
                      libopencv-videostab-dev libopencv-videostab406 libopencv-viz406 libopenmpt0 libostyle1c2 libparted-fs-resize0 libparted2 libpcap0.8 libpgm-5.3-0 libprotobuf-lite32 libprotobuf32 libprotoc32 libpsl5
                      libpython3.11 libpython3.12 libqdbm14 libqt5concurrent5 libqt5core5a libqt5gui5 libqt5opengl5 libqt5pas1 libqt5printsupport5 libqt5quicktest5 libqt5quickwidgets5 libqt5scripttools5 libqt5sql5 libqt5svg5
                      libqt5svg5-dev libqt5test5 libqt5webkit5 libqt5webkit5-dev libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5-dev libqt5xml5 libreadline8 libsmbclient libsnmp40 libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libsoup2.4-1 libspatialaudio0 libss2
                      libssh2-1 libssl3 libtevent0 libtirpc3 libtokyocabinet9 libupnp17 libuuid1 libv4l-0 libv4l2rds0 libv4lconvert0 libvte9 libxencall1 libxendevicemodel1 libxenevtchn1 libxenforeignmemory1 libxengnttab1
                      libxenhypfs1 libxenmisc4.17 libxenstore4 libxentoolcore1 libxentoollog1 libxmltok1 libxt6 libzvbi0 luckybackup packageinstaller qtbase5-dev qtbase5-private-dev qtdeclarative5-dev qtdeclarative5-dev-tools
                      qtscript5-dev repo-manager smtube vlc vlc-plugin-qt winff winff-qt wpagui
                    The following NEW packages will be installed:
                      libapt-pkg6.0t64 libarchive13t64 libatk-bridge2.0-0t64 libatm1t64 libbson-1.0-0t64 libburn4t64 libcdio-cdda2t64 libcdio-paranoia2t64 libcdio19t64 libcom-err2t64 libcups2t64 libdvdread8t64 libdw1t64
                      libelf1t64 libext2fs2t64 libflac12t64 libfuse2t64 libgdal34t64 libgnutls-dane0t64 libgnutls-openssl27t64 libgnutls30t64 libgpgme11t64 libgtk-3-0t64 libgtk2.0-0t64 libgtkmm-3.0-1t64 libhd21t64
                      libhogweed6t64 libimlib2t64 libiso9660-11t64 libiw30t64 libixml11t64 liblirc-client0t64 liblirc0t64 libmagic1t64 libmagickwand-6.q16-7t64 libmicrohttpd12t64 libmongoc-1.0-0t64 libmpeg3-2t64 libmtdev1t64
                      libnetsnmptrapd40t64 libnettle8t64 libnorm1t64 libopencv-calib3d406t64 libopencv-core406t64 libopencv-dnn406t64 libopencv-features2d406t64 libopencv-flann406t64 libopencv-imgcodecs406t64
                      libopencv-imgproc406t64 libopencv-ml406t64 libopencv-photo406t64 libopencv-shape406t64 libopencv-video406t64 libopencv-videoio406t64 libopencv-viz406t64 libopenmpt-modplug1 libopenmpt0t64 libostyle1t64
                      libparted-fs-resize0t64 libparted2t64 libpcap0.8t64 libpgm-5.3-0t64 libprotobuf-lite32t64 libprotobuf32t64 libprotoc32t64 libpsl5t64 libpython3.11t64 libpython3.12t64 libqdbm14t64 libqt5core5t64
                      libqt5gui5-gles libqt5printsupport5t64 libqt5sql5t64 libqt5test5t64 libqt5widgets5t64 libqt5xml5t64 libreadline8t64 libsmbclient0 libsnmp40t64 libsoup-2.4-1 libsoup-gnome-2.4-1 libspatialaudio0t64
                      libss2t64 libssh2-1t64 libssl3t64 libtevent0t64 libtirpc3t64 libtokyocabinet9t64 libupnp17t64 libuuid1t64 libv4l-0t64 libv4l2rds0t64 libv4lconvert0t64 libvte9t64 libxencall1t64 libxendevicemodel1t64
                      libxenevtchn1t64 libxenforeignmemory1t64 libxengnttab1t64 libxenhypfs1t64 libxenmisc4.17t64 libxenstore4t64 libxentoolcore1t64 libxentoollog1t64 libxmltok1t64 libxt6t64 libzvbi0t64
                    The following packages have been kept back:
                      gir1.2-poppler-0.18 libczmq-dev libpam-modules libpam-modules-bin libpam0g-dev libpoppler-dev libpoppler-glib-dev poppler-utils qtbase5-dev-tools
                    The following packages will be upgraded:
                      apt apt-utils aptitude bootlogd br2684ctl bsdextrautils bsdutils cdrskin comerr-dev cron cups cups-client cups-common cups-core-drivers cups-daemon cups-ipp-utils cups-ppdc cups-server-common
                      desktop-file-utils e2fsprogs eject fdisk ffmpeg file flac fonts-urw-base35 gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-atspi-2.0 gir1.2-goa-1.0 gir1.2-gtk-2.0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0 gir1.2-soup-2.4 gsfonts gtk-update-icon-cache
                      gtk2-engines-pixbuf gvfs-common hunspell-en-gb hwinfo ibverbs-providers imagemagick imagemagick-6-common imagemagick-6.q16 initscripts ldb-tools libapt-pkg-perl libarchive-dev libasound2-data
                      libasound2-dev libasound2t64 libatk-bridge2.0-dev libatk1.0-0t64 libatk1.0-dev libatspi2.0-0t64 libatspi2.0-dev libavcodec-dev libavcodec-extra libavcodec-extra60 libavdevice60 libavfilter9 libavformat-dev
                      libavformat60 libavutil-dev libavutil58 libblkid-dev libblkid1 libbson-dev libc-bin libc-dev-bin libc-l10n libc6 libc6:i386 libc6-dbg libc6-dev libcdio-cdda-dev libcdio-dev libcdio-paranoia-dev
                      libdb5.3-dev libdb5.3t64 libdvdread-dev libdw-dev libegl-mesa0 libegl1-mesa-dev libelf-dev libfdisk-dev libfdisk1 libflac-dev libfuse-dev libgbm-dev libgbm1 libgl1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa
                      libgles2-mesa-dev libglx-mesa0 libgnutls28-dev libgoa-1.0-0b libgoa-1.0-common libgoa-1.0-dev libgpgme-dev libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common libgtk-3-dev libgtk-3-doc libgtk2.0-bin libgtk2.0-common
                      libgtk2.0-dev libgtkmm-3.0-dev libibverbs1 libimlib2-dev libiso9660-dev libiw-dev libldb-dev libldb2 liblirc-dev liblzma-dev liblzma5 libmagic-dev libmagic-mgc libmicrohttpd-dev libmongoc-dev libmount-dev
                      libmount1 libmpeg3-dev libmtdev-dev libnorm-dev libopencv-core-dev libopencv-dnn-dev libopencv-flann-dev libopencv-imgcodecs-dev libopencv-imgproc-dev libopencv-ml-dev libopencv-photo-dev
                      libopencv-shape-dev libopencv-video-dev libopencv-videoio-dev libopencv-viz-dev libpackagekit-glib2-18 libpam-runtime libparted-dev libpcap0.8-dev libpgm-dev libplacebo-dev libplacebo338 libpostproc-dev
                      libpostproc57 libprotobuf-dev libpsl-dev libpython3.11-dev libpython3.11-minimal libpython3.11-stdlib libpython3.12-dev libpython3.12-minimal libpython3.12-stdlib libqdbm-dev libqt5sql5-sqlite
                      libreadline-dev libsmartcols-dev libsmartcols1 libsmbclient-dev libsnmp-base libsnmp-dev libsoup2.4-common libsoup2.4-dev libsoup2.4-doc libspatialaudio-dev libssh2-1-dev libssl-dev libswresample-dev
                      libswresample4 libswscale-dev libswscale7 libtevent-dev libtirpc-dev libtokyocabinet-dev libupnp-dev libv4l-dev libvlc-bin libvlc5 libvlccore9 libvte-common libvte-dev libwbclient0 libxatracker2 libxen-dev
                      libxmltok1-dev libxt-dev libzvbi-common libzvbi-dev locales locales-all logsave mesa-common-dev mount mythes-en-us nettle-dev openjade openssl parted protobuf-compiler python3-pycurl python3.11
                      python3.11-dev python3.11-minimal python3.12 python3.12-dev python3.12-minimal qt5-qmake qt5-qmake-bin readline-common rfkill samba-libs sysv-rc sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils util-linux util-linux-extra
                      util-linux-locales uuid-dev uuid-runtime v4l-utils vlc-bin vlc-data vlc-plugin-base vlc-plugin-video-output xz-utils
                    225 upgraded, 107 newly installed, 154 to remove and 9 not upgraded.
                    Need to get 230 MB of archives.
                    After this operation, 194 MB disk space will be freed.
                    Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 

                    Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

                    antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

                    #135150
                    Member
                    olsztyn

                      Noted changes in multiple cups files and have run simulated “downgrades” to former nosystemd versions, but after adding several cups files to one simulated install, apt wishes to remove (NOT recommend autoremove) a mess of packages that I don’t want removed.

                      Existing CUPS set of packages, which were ‘nosystemd’ type (as modified by anticapitalista) were to be replaced by plain ones (the first rule in my post). As you may have used ‘apt’ for this upgrade you may not have noticed.
                      Let me think what would be best way to re-instate the ‘nosystemd’packages in general, but hopefully more knowledgeable members could chime in here…

                      • This reply was modified 1 month, 3 weeks ago by olsztyn.

                      Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
                      http://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

                      #135208
                      Member
                      stevesr0

                        Hi anticapitalista and olsztyn,

                        This goof occurred because I was rushing to an appointment and wasn’t careful.

                        **As anticapitalista displayed, there are a multitude of packages involved and it is tricky to try to reinstall removed and “upgraded” packages with apt.

                        Subsequently, I have been trying out different simulated forced installs of removed files, without apt removing other things, but so far apt is resisting.

                        I hope that in the fullness of time (hopefully) there will be an update that will enable me to easily reverse my goof.

                        I think Xunzi_23’s comment some time ago that it is safer to use apt upgrade instead of apt full-upgrade might be true, but alternatively there are times when the upgrade of a package will require the removal of supporting package. I will try using both and comparing the differences in the future.

                        #135251
                        Member
                        stevesr0

                          I am not sure if it is useful, but many of the updates on the 28th and the 29th were package changes which both upgraded and added t64 to the package name. These are listed as (automatic) upgrades for some reason. And with the name change, the prior nosystemd versions were no longer available for forced install.

                          #135257
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                          Xunzi_23

                            Hi steves, If you have a backup a list of installed packages and separate home a reinstall leaving home intact
                            and full setup will be far faster than posting on the forum.

                            If you have a recent full image even better.

                            Which reminds me to quickly make one more backup on a device which is stored air gapped.

                            #135281
                            Member
                            stevesr0

                              Hi Xunzi_23,

                              Excellent point. If I did, I would <g>.

                              The reason for posting is the hope that some of my experiences and observations might be useful to others, even if only as things to avoid doing.

                              #135287
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                              anticapitalista

                                Seems like there is a very long list of packages that need to be repackaged, so don’t expect this *bump* to be fixed for a while.
                                I’m not going to bother rebuilding nosystemd versions until this is over

                                Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

                                antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.

                                #135308
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                                olsztyn

                                  Seems like there is a very long list of packages that need to be repackaged, so don’t expect this *bump* to be fixed for a while.

                                  Good to hear you are willing to do it at all..Seeing this immense number of packages to do I was hoping you would not give up in the face of this challenge. So we can hope antiX 23.1 is not the last version to be nosystemd/elogind-free then…
                                  It is greatly appreciated…

                                  Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
                                  http://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

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