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Brian Masinick
As far as Web browser alternatives, we have plenty of them to choose from. I’ve cited quite a few different Web browsers that are available on antiX, either in our Package Installer, the antiX and/or Debian repositories, and many more can be found using any popular search engine.
I follow and use quite a few Web browsers; if you have any recent or different ones than the ones we have already discussed, feel free to mention any questions or comments on Web browsers here.
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Brian Masinick
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hello Moddit
(also as an appimage. vieb on the [https://appimage.github.io/categories/Network] list today before viper_browser, wexond browser, theWeb browser)browser
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Thank you all. I looked a bit into Palemoon and Waterfox. Most reviews kinda slammed them for secuirty flaw for being based on outdated ff. I do always take into consideration paid media reviews opinions with a grain of salt. Good to head user opinions. Lots of posts, hard to quote. I do very much agree with the posts about tor and firefox. As much as I’ve watched firefox opt out/pricacy choices change over the years; Tor, Whonix, and Tails, all collectively still live off at the least the base firefox code. I assume they privacy tweak scripts beyond my understanding, but their unofficial endorsement does give confidence to us less educated on the details.
A 2nd endorsement for Badwolf, I take into deeper consideration.As far as OG hardware, I can keep maybe 8 tabs open on firefox with intel atom and 2G ram netbook, so it worked as expected there performance-wise.
With about config only on Trunk as someone mentioned? was that referring to android specific? I still have about config on ESR,regular, and trunk this week on debian, but I don’t look at phone much. …?
Probably a pointless opinion, but, my hardware can’t run Qubes yet. I do however love the concept. In present time, since I don’t really fully trust any browser, I just compartmentalize among most of them. If I use ff,fftrunk,chromium,tor,whonix,lynx,links2, etc randomly, clear cookies, fully remove, rotate, etc. None are good, but juggling can separate what I wish to separate from a corporate cloud… When 60% of my ads are not in my countries native langues, I consider that a small win.
To the comment about Huwawei ban, I offer a different opinion. In America, pyramid schemes are highly illegal. If you look at how the capitalist pyramid structure works, or the Catholic Empire for another example. Personally I felt pyramids were so harshly punished here worse than lesser crimes, is because they drew light to how our society is structured as a whole. On “the way we do things round here” lol, I’d assume the US banned Huawei because their intrusive android spying might point out our own google intrusive android spying. To me, China is dictatorship in the name of communism, same as the US is rotating dictatorship in the name of democracy. If it’s not Libre Source, then greed loves to spy.
Howdy Jessie.
ModdIt
In Packet installer there is a 32 Bit Non SSE2 Palemoon for older computers
Steve Pusser is still building a 32 bit Palemoon.
Packages here –https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=home%3Astevenpusser&package=palemoonSR Ware iron is a chrome based Browser offering both 32 and 64 bit Linux support
Downloads für Debian-basierte Distributionen (Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc.):
1/http://www.srware.net/downloads/iron.deb (32-Bit).
2/http://www.srware.net/downloads/iron64.deb (64-Bit).For 64 Bit, Otter browser looks quite nice but the present ready to use version has SSL certificate issues.
It is pretty much like vivaldi of old. See if I can get the latest code to compile, hoping issue is now fixed
or I can get the setup pointing to the right directory for certs.- This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by ModdIt. Reason: Added palemoon info
Brian Masinick
I know that the majority of people are either unable to, or unwilling to, compile their own programs.
People who use distros like Linux From Scratch, Gentoo Linux, or are developers and testers are the most common exceptions to this, but for anyone else who is leery of a particular Web browser, what about examining the source code, add security updates and pull out “features” that you don’t want and add what you need and want. Alas, compared to the number of people who freely use them, a small fraction of people code, test, submit defect reports and fixes, financially contribute to the work and therefore it is what it is.
I’m now retired and my contribution is decreasing but I share what I can here and in a few other places.
I have compiled code, I do test software, I actively promote software freedom and in the past I have financially contributed many times to several efforts.
I test Firefox, Chrome and a few utilities and I have reported multiple defects over the years and as a result the features that I use almost always work. If they don’t, I examine my work to make sure that the error is in the code and not in my usage or my hardware.
If still defective I make a careful defect report, sharing what I did to generate the problem and my hardware and software configuration.
I know that we have a variety of skills and not everyone understands what to do. All the more reason for those of us who have any knowledge, even limited, to share with others in the interest of continued freedom of choice for software and quality.
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
Firefox 85.0 has been released. It should be available now. If not, it will be available as soon as each mirror repository site is refreshed with the latest software.
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Brian MasinickBrian Masinick
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Hello Moddit and everyone
browser discussions rare mention of Basilisk browser. release is current this month and it works for us.
basilisk on the palemoon discussion board.
seamonkey fresh release four days ago 2.53.6Brian Masinick
userzero
“Limiting Private API availability in Chromium
Friday, January 15, 2021
During a recent audit, we discovered that some third-party Chromium based browsers were able to integrate Google features, such as Chrome sync and Click to Call, that are only intended for Google’s use. This meant that a small fraction of users could sign into their Google Account and store their personal Chrome sync data, such as bookmarks, not just with Google Chrome, but also with some third-party Chromium based browsers. We are limiting access to our private Chrome APIs starting on March 15, 2021.”LOL
Brian Masinick
“Limiting Private API availability in Chromium
Friday, January 15, 2021
During a recent audit, we discovered that some third-party Chromium based browsers were able to integrate Google features, such as Chrome sync and Click to Call, that are only intended for Google’s use. This meant that a small fraction of users could sign into their Google Account and store their personal Chrome sync data, such as bookmarks, not just with Google Chrome, but also with some third-party Chromium based browsers. We are limiting access to our private Chrome APIs starting on March 15, 2021.”LOL
That is an interesting “twist” to say the least! So Google wants to get information about people’s login and browser usage to use for their own purpose, but they do not want to share that information with others in the future
I’d say “grab that code”, get a copy of it and find a place to build it and point that information elsewhere, maybe into the “bit bucket”! Do it BEFORE March 15 if you want to cut out their API and put in your own logic anyway! Remember though that there are tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lines of code, application interfaces, etc. It may take a LONG time to figure it out and a LOT of time, space and power to work on it!- This reply was modified 2 years, 3 months ago by Brian Masinick.
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Brian MasinickThanks ile,
Basilisk is way lighter than the published requirements suggest, will play with it for a while
and see how it fares against my other choices.
Going through about:config I did feel the need to change some settings. Beacon, device sensors,
geolocation amd some urls to mozilla, does look much cleaner than FF on first look though.@userzero,
Google announced We are limiting access to our private Chrome APIs starting on March 15, 2021Alphabet must have found new more effective ways to grab user data so no need to offer the chrome
api anymore. After 7 years! of offering usage. Nuts.Anonymous
“Limiting Private API availability in Chromium
Friday, January 15, 2021Not a chrome-y fan, but I’ve followed discussions in the wake of that Jan15 announcement.
fingerscrossed, hopefully this will spur increased developer interest toward “our own” browsers, e.g. midori, falkon…multiple_distros_considering_removal_of_chromium
600+ comments here:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/l1xzah/multiple_distros_considering_removal_of_chromium/390+ comments here:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/kyv6v4/psa_vanilla_chromium_ending_some_of_googles_api/180+ comments here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25886218(only) 58 comments here:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/k6ycbh/chromium_now_available_in_flathub/____________
____________different subject, but related:
50+ comments:
https://old.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/l6i8xv/firefox_giving_up_on_pwa_support/^—- drama, and misunderstanding(s).
As one commentor (someone who apparently “bothered to actually read” the linked article) noted:
“They are not disabling “PWA”s (websites running as apps on mobile devices),
but SSBs (run a website in a web browser but in a seperate profile with full-screen mode, probably for desktops).”From my perspective, a trend away from SSBs (single site browsers) would be happy news.
Desktop linux, it’s not a phone ~~ don’t want to see users forced/steered into installing a damned “app” in order to interact with a given website. Oooooh, it’s not justa website, it’s an “experience”?Brian Masinick
https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-distributors-frustrated-by-googles-new-chromium-web-browser-restrictions/#ftag=RSSbaffb68 is another post about the API that is planned to be removed on March 15.
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Brian MasinickPPC pointed me to an interesting browser project I had not heard of before. LibreWolf.
Project Statement starts with:
This project is an independent “fork” of Firefox, with the primary goals of privacy security and user freedom.
It is the community run successor to LibreFoxLibreWolf is designed to minimize data collection and telemetry as much as possible.
This is achieved through hundreds of privacy/security/performance settings and patches.
Intrusive integrated addons including updater, crashreporter, and pocket are removed tooLibreWolf is NOT associated with Mozilla or its products.
Sounds good.
The browser comes as a 53 M Flatpack or an appimage 77 M, pretty small compared to the behemoth it is
descending from.
No Deb packet on the download page at present. Does not mention 32 Bit. Or I have not found that yet.
Uses current Firefox extensions. I opened the addons page and just dragged firefox extensions and
Language packs in to the window, waited a moment and thay could be added without issue. Installing
addons from file is also quick and very easy. One less tracking vector if checking for addon updates is
disabled, just install in tor live then copy over, clean Tor..Stability on bullseye and 19.3 ok so far as i can see. Still first day so not sure on site compatibility.
More details at
#https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/
#https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/docs/Again, many Thanks to PPC for the pointer to this very interesting project…
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