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dugin
Although I have been following antiX since 2010 or so, I have never installed it, only run it as liveCD or liveDVD. I wish to make a frugal install of antiX 32-bit. Many of my questons may have a hand-holding quality, but I hope you will indulge me. Do I perform a frugal install from the antiX installer on the Menu tree, or by using F5 options available on the boot screen? I have two spinning hard drives, of which the second hdd is solely ext3 data. The first hard drive has a 30 GB partition sda1 for OS, a 5 GB swap, and the rest is ext3 data. I wish to boot from DVD, to make this installation as simple as possible. The OS partition sda1 has 24 GB available for a frugal install of antiX. I don’t fully understand the ifferent types of frugal installs, but I want to store as much as possible on the sda1 partition, requiring the least amount of attention when shutting down or rebooting. The antiX files and directories are probably not going to keep growing on sda1 because I habitually move operations to the data portion of the drive. If there is an option to write changes to the boot DVD, I may want to explore that approach, but most likely, I will be saving changes to the sda1 partition on the hard drive. If the frugal install is performed following the antiX installer program, I would appreciate a detailed (step-by-step) exposition of the process, and some commentary on what to expect. I expect that GParted editing will not be involved in this installation process. I looked at the antiX package installer, and it seems I will be installing maybe half of those packages available through the package installer. Can you give me idea of the footprint that a frugal install would have on sda1. Also, what is the approximate footprint of a full installation of antiX that includes a good portion of extra packages from the package installer. I have no need for office programs or suites, and I will attempt to remove these in due course.
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marcelocripe
Hello dugin.
Welcome to antiX Linux and the forum.
I don’t know how to write in English and I send my texts translated by the internet translator. I hope you can understand everything, if your native language is not English, please translate my original Brazilian Portuguese text directly into your language with the help of internet translators.
Regardless of your level of knowledge about GNU/Linux, I recommend you read these excellent tutorials created by @PPC:
What is antiX and how to try it out or install it.
Short essential how-to list for the complete Linux newbie.
How-to install applications – 2020 version.When you start any topic or participate with any post, remember to check the option “Notify me of follow-up replies via email”, by checking this option you will receive a message in your email inbox whenever there are replies to the topic in question.
After the basic guidelines, let’s go to “frugal install 32-bit antiX”:
This topic A new resource present at transifex: »antiX Help Video: frugal Install« by Dol deals with the translation of the subtitling of the Dolphin_Oracle video that teaches how to perform the “frugal install antiX” procedure. The video demonstrates the procedure for a 64-bit ISO, but the procedure is the same for 32-bit.
As I don’t know what your native language is, I can’t tell you which subtitles are already available for download.
youtube-dl -f 22 ‘https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZGTBUW3bnA’
marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese language)– – – – –
Olá dugin.
Seja bem-vindo(a) ao antiX Linux e ao fórum.
Eu não sei escrever em idioma Inglês e envio os meus textos traduzidos pelo tradutor da internet. Eu espero que você consiga compreender tudo, caso o seu idioma nativo não seja o Inglês, por favor, traduza o meu texto original em idioma Português do Brasil diretamente para o seu idioma com a ajuda dos tradutores da internet.
Independentemente do seu nível de conhecimento sobre GNU/Linux, eu recomendo você ler estes excelentes tutoriais criados pelo @PPC:
What is antiX and how to try it out or install it.
Short essential how-to list for the complete Linux newbie.
How-to install applications – 2020 version.Quando você iniciar algum tópico ou participar com alguma postagem, lembre-se de marcar a opção “Notify me of follow-up replies via email”, marcando esta opção, você receberá uma mensagem na sua caixa de e-mail sempre que houver respostas do tópico em questão.
Após as orientações básicas, vamos ao “frugal install 32-bit antiX”:
Este tópico A new resource present at transifex: »antiX Help Video: frugal Install« by Dol trata da tradução da legendagem do vídeo do Dolphin_Oracle que ensina como realizar o procedimento “frugal install antiX”. No vídeo é demonstrado o procedimento de uma ISO de 64 bits, mas o procedimento é o mesmo para 32 bits.
Como eu não sei qual é o seu idioma natal, eu não tenho como te indicar as legendas que já estão disponíveis para baixar.
youtube-dl -f 22 ‘https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZGTBUW3bnA’
marcelocripe
(Texto original em idioma Português do Brasil)
christophe
Hello dugin!
Let me add a bit to your reading/watching “homework”. 😉
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZGTBUW3bnA
https://antixlinux.com/the-most-extensive-live-usb-on-the-planet/
Frugal install will not be done through the “installer.” It will be done on the live dvd/usb boot screen. You can boot frugal installs from hdd, of course, or dvd. Do some more reading & video watching, because there is a LOT to it. (And that’s a good thing!)
Just to mention, my current antiX-21 frugal has all the software I like, and remasters to just 1.8 GB (plus I have a data partition, with additional files, too).
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confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
I am an English speaker, ‘brigado, Marcelo. I do not have grub2 bootloader installed. I viewed the tutorial video by Dolphin Oracle, and it was very helpful, but it glossed over discussing the various frugal install options and instead opted for the static frugal install. With 4 GB of RAM at my disposal (with PAE), I would like to run antiX in RAM to the extent that is possible in order to speed up responses. What option maximizes RAM operation yet saves all changes to hard drive sda1 at shutdown/reboot with little or no bother? I am also confused about having to predetermine the size of a “persist” directory/file in anticipation of Debian upgrades and/or natural enlargement. Why does this directory/file require any size limitation? I have about 24 GB (plenty?) of drive space to handle normal directory variable size requirements. In other words, I would like to ignore setting a limit on the size of the persist directory/file, unless it is a practical requirement of the antiX method of frugal install. As a workaround, if I designated 3 GB or even 5 GB of extra space for the persist directory/file, would this size be sufficient to resolve the concern, or would this be, unnecessarily, too much allotted space for expansion? Naturally, I will always make an effort to minimize drive space consumption by the persist directory/file in my daily operations.
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ModdIt
Hi dugin,
I will not try to go in to option frugal as too many options, variations possible.
I run live from USB stick, gave up on cd dvd after a number of drive related issues. My slowest device has USB 2 which is faster than
the CD DVD Blue ray drive and allows real read write, remastering. Not tacking on extra data in a sequential manner.regarding persist size, the larger the amount of persist that has to be (loosly explained) merged in to a system the slower the setup
starts and shuts down due decompressing, compressing subsequent writing of data.If you want a system which is optimised for fast running, remaster frequently, especialy after updates or major changes.
christophe
Since you say you are familiar with running antiX live, frugal should be easy. It is just the same, only from hdd instead of usb/dvd.
I recommend testing live & persistence on non-essential machines – or especially live usb sticks. Try persistence & remastering there first, If you haven’t done so yet.
If I were to just give you a first experiment, a setup that you are asking for, I’d suggest this:
Choose F4 = toram
Choose F5 = frugal_root (or persist_root if you are using live-usb instead of frugal from hdd)
Choose F8 = save settings(Dvd won’t have F8. Use live usb if possible, or you’ll have to reselect these choices on each boot.)
This will load the whole OS into RAM (using antiX base ISO, that’s about 800 MB?).
Then when booting first time with persistence, it will ask you how large persistence file – choose “custom,” and then 3 GB.
Then further on, you will be asked for your choice on saving persistence changes. Choose automatic.
These are first-time decisions. Next boot, antiX remembers.
You will want to read up on “remastering” your system. Make sure you know how to remaster. That’s essential, in my opinion. You have to reserve a few GBs for remastering, to be safe.
Your first remaster should be after installing the software you want. Then again after upgrades start filling your persistence file.
Personally, I like to remaster before I fill up the persistence file to about 2 GB. Or even by about 1 GB. Because that all gets loaded into memory, and you need to have ram for operations. When you remaster, it compresses it & makes use of your resources better.
Eventually you’ll want to run “set up persistence” to delete your old persistence files after you’ve remastered.
But start experimenting. And ask (& read old threads) on the forum any further questions.
There are more “succinct” or clever uses of the antiX live system also (like Moddit alluded to).
But this will get you started. Play around and read & watch dolphin_oracle’s videos.
The antiX live system is fun. And there is no substitute for digging in and getting your hands dirty with it.
See also
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confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
I already have a deprecated Linux OS frugally installed on sda1. I have been booting this OS using its liveCD for about 4 years now. I never got around to booting this OS from usb, but the liveCD boot works acceptably well. When I say I wish to boot antiX from liveDVD, I am maintaining a consistency of method, however ineffcient, between these two OSes. I may switch to usb booting, eventually, but certainly not now. I have work to do. My work involves manipulating files on and between the two logical ext3 data drives. With antiX, I have a problem with gui access to logical drives. Not only does ROX not (conveniently) see a logical drive, it can’t mount a logical drive. That is a big problem. Thunar (MX Linux) recognizes the two hard drives, but identifies them by their UUID, not their logical drive designations. SpaceFM sees the internal logical drives (including the swap partition) by selecting Devices > Show > internal drives, but will not perform a copy & paste operation once logical drive contents are displayed. I know there is an Event Manager operating, and I need logical drives to be recognized at boot, possibly by appending Automount. This is not an ideal approach, but at least I would have quick access to logical drives upon booting. Ideally, the Event Manager should detect internal logical drives (including optical and usb, but excluding swap) at boot, and then cause display of corresponding icon(s) on desktop that can be clicked to mount device, thereby producing an instance of ROX Filer. Of course, to move files with ROX Filer, user needs two instances of ROX for dragging files from source to destination. Therefore, after the initial click on the desktop icon to mount the logical drive, subsequent clicks of the icon should simply produce another instance of ROX, but not toggle-unmount the logical drive. Maybe a double-click would unmount the logical drive. Or devs could create a gui for mounting and unmounting logical drives (hint, hint). Two things are for sure: I am not going to mount and unmount logical drives from CLI, and I am not going move files around using CLI. If I click a download dialog, and I can’t browse to my logical drives (because they’re not properly mounted?), that is a huge problem. Yet, this is the situation I encounter when I use antiX out of the box. I hope and trust this can be overcome easily. As you can see, I have more issues than just booting this OS from frugal install. Another immediate concern is elimination of the password annoyance. In other words, I need to give admin privileges to user, and please understand, I will ignore admonishments about security.
Christophe, I did try the toram option for booting the liveDVD, but without doing a frugal install. I watched the full ISO (1.2 GB) being loaded into RAM, which took two or three minutes. Upon boot, the OS is working fine. Conky is showing my RAM usage as 551 MB/2.55 GB. Are you suggesting that the base ISO be used for booting a frugal install? For that matter, why not use the Core ISO for booting? (That’s a real question, it’s not rhetorical.)- This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by dugin.
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I tried the base version of antiX, and I can see I should be using the base instead of full version, so I appreciate your suggestion, Christophe. It’s good for me that the office suite is missing, but I don’t know what else is missing in Full LiveDVD. I notice there is no resident burning software, no file resizing, no file conversion, but these may be lacking in full version as well. I don’t want resident Seamonkey, and I tried to set Firefox ESR as preferred browser application, without success. Should I uninstall Seamonkey before I install Firefox ESR? I use VLC for both audio and video, but VLC was not listed under audio preferences. Instead of me going back and forth between base and full, can you tell me what apps are missing in base? For the toram Base LiveDVD, RAM usage is 655 MB/2.95 GB with desired apps installed by Package Installer.
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christophe
Well, antiX is NOT Puppy. I see that is what you are expecting. I like some things about Puppy, too.
But if you want an OS to operate just like Puppy Linux, you should download & run Puppy Linux.EDIT: If you indeed have been using Puppy, all the files you are trying to copy to/from are probably owned by root, so you may not be allowed to do copy/paste operations on those directories/files as a “normal” user.
But if you want to learn antiX, play around with it with a live-usb. Start with the dvd, and make a live-usb from the Live-USB Maker program in antiX. Test & Enjoy it.
I like it better than Puppy, but that’s just me. 😉
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confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
PPC
can you tell me what apps are missing in base?
Mostly it’s LibreOffice, but Skiddo compiled a list, and made it availble here in the forum, but I can’t locate that post…
I don’t want resident Seamonkey, and I tried to set Firefox ESR as preferred browser application, without success. Should I uninstall Seamonkey before I install Firefox ESR? I use VLC for both audio and video, but VLC was not listed under audio preferences.
-If you don’t like seamonkey, don’t use it. If because you are using a live system or booting to RAM, you want to save space, then, sure, delete that package.
-You do not have to uninstall firefox-esr to install seamonkey.
-I can select, one by one, the file types I want to associate with any application (VLC included, in my file manager- zzzfm- I’m not sure how to do that for more than one file type at a time, there’s probably some configuration file you can edit, for that…)P.
christophe
For that matter, why not use the Core ISO for booting?
Core does not have X, only CLI. You could add to it, of course, to have a GUI. (It’s fun, too!)
confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
Associate with application: /home/yourusername/.config/mimeapps.list should do the trick,
Rox uses a slightly different setup which is not followed by zzfm
Christophe, I’m not ready to give up, and I do appreciate your patience. May I point out that antiX has an app called “ROX Filer as root”. As a test I just moved a system directory into the home folder and back again, with no problem. So suppose that when I insert a usb drive, the Automount pops up ROX as root instead of just plain ROX. Perhaps, any Automount event could be coded to call up ROX as root instead of plain ROX. That would help a lot if I could make this change in the code of Automount. As I proposed above, I might also append Automount to mount logical drives when encountered at boot. That’s the first thing I do anyway when I boot up an OS, is to get a file browser view of my mounted logical drives.
EDIT: Making progress: the operable logical drive folders are located in the ‘media’ directory (not ‘dev’). I can click to mount the logical drives in both plain ROX and ROX as root. Only in ROX as root can I make changes to files on the logical drives. I now have gui access to logical drives and the ability to move and edit files using ROX as root.
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Does frugal install provide an opportunity to set a password for root?
christophe
Yes. When persistence is first started, antiX prompts you to set a new root password (and demo password, too, for that matter).
But you can change it at any time by running:
sudo passwd rootconfirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
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