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      movie Utomlennye.Solncem-1994

      This is fiction, not history. N Mikhalkov is not very respectful in Russia, just for false films about the alleged “history”.

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        This is fiction, not history. N Mikhalkov is not very respectful in Russia,

        Yes… Movies, such as the above made in Russia are just stories about those times. Fiction it is. Much more representative movie would be ‘Within the Whirlwind’, a story about prof. Ginsburg from Kazan University, sent to gulag for 15 years for no reason. Those were the times when wives denounced husbands (and vice versa), brothers denounced brothers, children denounced parents, out of fear… On mere suspicion of thoughts dissenting from the political correct views those accused were sent to gulags, where they usually died in harsh conditions.
        People in the West cannot possibly understand the terror of those times.
        However, back to the core of the original topic: German invasion in 1941 galvanized all people of CCCP for defense of the fatherland and eventually resulted in taking Berlin. The role of Russia (CCCP or USSR to be precise) was key in ending World War II, although never given enough credit on the West.
        Immediately after the war the Western superpowers implemented Marshall Plan to rebuild Germany (West) and turn it into a prosperous industrial powerhouse with high living standards for people… Traveling to West Germany people were saying: ‘These are the ones who lost the war’…

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          victims of the third Reich racial policy

          not of a racial policy, but probably of a racial policy run amok

          What was bad made the Jews that you don’t love them like that?

          Judaism: A Religion that Hates all Gentiles
          https://www.goodnewsaboutgod.com/studies/political/jews/hate_gentiles.htm

          “I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people [the Jews] would not some day become deadly to the human race.” (Lettres de Memmius a Ciceron, 1771)
          “We shall drive the Christians into war by exploiting their national vanity and stupidity. They will then massacre each other, thus giving room for our own people.” (Rabbi Reichorn, in Le Contemporain, July 1st, 1880)
          “Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we wipe out the Christians and get control of their gold. We have already killed 100 million of them, and the end is not yet.” (Chief Rabbi Reichorn in France, in 1859).
          “There is scarcely an event in modern history that cannot be traced to the Jews. Take the Great War (World War I)…the Jews have made this war!…We (Jews) who have posed as the saviours of the world…we Jews, today, are nothing else but the world’s seducers, its destroyer’s, its incendiaries, its executioners…We have finally succeeded in landing you into a new hell.” (Jewish Writer, Oscar Levy, The World Significance of the Russian Revolution; The International Jew, Vol. III (1921), pp. 184-87).
          “Even if we Jews are not bodily with you in the trenches, we are nevertheless morally with you. This is OUR WAR [World War II], and you are fighting it for us.” (Les Nouvelles Litteraires, February 10, 1940).
          “The Second World War is being fought for the defense of the fundamentals of Judaism.” (Statement by Rabbi Felix Mendlesohn, Chicago Sentinel, October 8, 1942).
          “World War II was the Jews’ plot to make way for the foundation of the Jewish State in Palestine.” (Joseph Burg [a Jew]).

          Jewry is a parasite. I not only read this in the Internet, I personally grievously experience it in my real life.

          genocide

          Genocide

          The genocide is going on right now:
          In response to accusations that the Communist state is “committing genocide” against its Uyghur population, China’s Ambassador to Grenada Dr Zhao Yongchen has accused western leaders of overseeing an indirect policy of genocide against their own population by citing declining birth rates..
          “In Europe and America, the birth rate of whites has fallen very seriously. Is this the result of the genocide policy pursued by their leaders?” asked Yongchen.
          https://www.amren.com/news/2020/10/citing-white-birth-rates-chinese-ambassador-claims-western-leaders-are-pursuing-a-genocide-policy/

          uxer wrote: “the first Soviet government, whose composition was 80-85 percent Jewish”
          It’s just a lie

          Their surnames and nationalities are lies. Jewish mimicry.

          http://traditio.wiki/files/7/73/Yarusskij_%28large%29.jpg
          http://traditio.wiki/files/b/bf/Yarusskij_%28small%29.jpg
          (for non-russian-speakers: a gravestone reads: (literal translation:) Iamrussian Josef Iamrussian Roza (literary translation:) Englishman Josef Englishman Roza)

          “Молодой человек! Мы, гусские, не обманываем дгуг дгуга!”
          (for non-russian-speakers: a jew assures a russian: we russians don’t cheat each other)
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq_2mCSsFAo

          https://en.wikipedia.org/

          Sorry, but you want more independent resources if you need truth on sensitive matters.

          Why do you think the victims of the Holocaust (what is the wrong name! Genocide will be true!) only Jews?

          Sorry, but holocaust is jew-specific.

          user uxer posted obnoxious rubbish regarding turning humans into robots with covid vaccine

          Some need not turning into robots as they are already biorobots.

          user uxer now denying nazi war crimes.

          I don’t deny nazi war crimes. I say that nazi shouldn’t be blamed more than they actually did. And I say that not all nazi are blood-thirsty.

          people who lost their lives in result of Stalin’s oppression of his own people.

          за время с 1917 по 1959 итоговое число физических потерь от дополнительно неестественных смертей в СССР составит 31 миллион человек (значительно больше, чем от гитлеровцев).
          during the period from 1917 to 1959, the total number of physical losses from additional unnatural deaths in the USSR will amount to 31 million people (much more than from the nazis).
          http://www.slavic-europe.eu/index.php/articles/57-russia-articles/255-2013-05-21-31

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            story about prof. Ginsburg from Kazan University, sent to gulag for 15 years for no reason

            You know – only innocent people are sitting in all prisons. If you do not know – ask them about it.

            times when wives denounced husbands (and vice versa), brothers denounced brothers, children denounced parents, out of fear

            This is a black myth of Soviet people. Do not transfer “1984” to the USSR, it is incorrect, it happens in London, during the Ingsoc, and the Big Brother in Oceania is now much more than in the Stalin’s USSR.

            Traveling to West Germany people were saying: ‘These are the ones who lost the war’

            Germany is still under the occupation of the United States and GB, and German Chancellor doing nothing without the US State Department Council. At the same time, the USSR and Russia removed their troops from Germany.

            war base

            Traveling to ex-USSR (Belarus, Russia, Ukraine) people were saying: ‘These are the ones who lost 15% of the population, and all cities and factories were destroyed. And all this they did WHITHOUT a Marshall Plan.’

            Minsk

            Kiev

            Moscow

            Yekaterinburg

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              Jewry is a parasite.

              I told you already in the other thread:

              Stop speaking of human beings as “microbes”, “parasites”, “pest” or whatever else, implying they are no human beings. Next you’ll call them “rats”?

              I don’t want to read this kind of hate speech again, whatever people you are talking about.

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                I say that not all nazi are blood-thirsty.

                Your position is based on lies, so you have to lie. Nazis are all criminals, without exception, it solved the Military Tribunal in Nuremberg. If you justify the Nazis – you are a criminal. Just understand it.

                during the period from 1917 to 1959, the total number of physical losses from additional unnatural deaths in the USSR

                Lie. USSR was founded in October 1924.

                additional unnatural deaths in the USSR will amount to 31 million people

                The victims of the Nazi bombs and gas chambers died a NATURAL death?

                holocaust is jew-specific.

                Lie. HOLOCAUST (ὁλοκαύστος) is a ancient Greek word. Jews speak SHOAH.

                racial policy run amok

                Baby talk.

                Communist state is “committing genocide” against its Uyghur population

                Why did the US and the EU destroyed Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria? Why do they kill residents of these countries? Why, during genocide, the numerous of Uigurs increases (in 2010 – 10 mil, in 2018 – 12.5 mil)?

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                  Big Brother in Oceania is now much more than in the Stalin’s USSR.

                  Understood, although I would not compare to Stalin’s USSR terror.

                  Germany is still under the occupation of the United States and GB, and German Chancellor doing nothing without the US State Department Council. At the same time, the USSR and Russia removed their troops from Germany.

                  I believe the statement on foreign troops and military bases in Germany is correct. I still remember times when I saw Russian military in DDR. In general, US has over 800 foreign military bases around the world. Russia has only one such base – in Syria.

                  ‘These are the ones who lost 15% of the population, and all cities and factories were destroyed. And all this they did WHITHOUT a Marshall Plan.’

                  I appreciate nice pictures. Problem is that all I see in them is a property of big capitalists and oligarchs. Hardly anything belongs to working people nowadays, just like in the West. And this indeed has been accomplished without a Marshall Plan, which would confirm your point… Russia, brought down to knees by Gorbachev and Yeltsin will recover eventually… Just listen to Bichevskaya – My Russkiye…

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                    C’mon man.
                    It’s just business

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                      independent resources

                      Wiki always indicates the source, you – no. Because you are a liar.

                      during the period from 1917 to 1959, the total number of physical losses from additional unnatural deaths in the USSR will amount to 31 million people (much more than from the nazis).

                      Why these 42 years are taken (1917-1959)? The War of the USSR against the Third Reich lasted less than 4 years, maybe you should see the loss of the USSR population for 4 years? Find, please, on the schedule period, when the USSR population decreased.

                      population

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                        during the period from 1917 to 1959, the total number of physical losses from additional unnatural deaths in the USSR

                        Lie. USSR was founded in October 1924.

                        You discount the entire statement on the number of losses of lives as a lie just based on imprecision of quoted name. The fact that during the entire period of 1917-1959 it was initially (1917-1924) called ‘Soviet Russia’ and in 1924 renamed to CCCP (USSR), does not make the quoted numbers a lie, if it refers to the entire period as USSR and is irrelevant to validity of the referenced report.

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                          it was initially (1917-1924) called ‘Soviet Russia’ and in 1924 renamed to CCCP (USSR)

                          In February 1917, the generals and capitalists removed the Tsar Nikolay 2, the victims of the consequences, also please the Sovets?
                          In Russia, 1917-1923 there was a civil war, you also consider the victims of the Soviets too?
                          France, England, USA, Japan, Poland, Finland (no, not Winter War) fought against Soviet Russia. Victims of these conflicts also on conscience of Sovets?
                          Korea 1950-53, about a 1 million victims. Vietnam 1965-73, 4 million victims. What do you think about this? Or “is it different”?

                          Not Russia has made capitalism and slavery, atomic bombs and gas chambers. Open your eyes.

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                            The reasoning behind military bases from USA and others is to divert eventual attack or retaliation to attack
                            from home countrys to otherwise non involved states. It was also touted as to stop a Soviet invasion at the Elb
                            River.

                            USA has a significant in constant readiness nuclear arsenal in Germany, many drones are flown from US German airfields.

                            Korea 1950-53, about a 1 million victims. Vietnam 1965-73, 4 million victims and still rising in Vietnam, in many areas
                            you can not leave roads, due agent orange only grasses will grow in many areas.

                            I would not call Russia an innocent country but there is no way any sane person could say that of the world wide war monger USA.

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                              uxer has been banned after several warnings to stop posting anti-Semitic and fascist crap.

                              Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.

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                                In February 1917, the generals and capitalists removed the Tsar Nikolay 2, the victims of the consequences, also please the Sovets?

                                Yes. Tzar monarchy abolished in February. Subsequently, after Soviets (called Bolsheviks at that time) came to power in October 25 the same year 1917 (Nov. 7 of new calendar) the entire royal family, including women and children were brutally executed by Soviets, so none of royal blood survives. No mercy for children…

                                In Russia, 1917-1923 there was a civil war, you also consider the victims of the Soviets too?

                                Admiral Kolchak led loyalist army against Soviets (Bolsheviks) and eventually was executed in Siberia. Soviets won this civil war. I recommend an excellent Russian movie made in 2008 – ‘Admiral’…

                                Not Russia has made capitalism and slavery, atomic bombs and gas chambers.

                                Agreed on this…
                                – Capitalism – Western Europe evolved first, particularly England. Russia had feudal system at that time.
                                – Slavery – existed for a long time in many regions of the world. Russia did not invent it and actually never had slavery as far as I know. Perhaps thanks to strong Christian religion.
                                – Atomic bombs – first developed in USA. Hiroshima and Nagasaki first victims.

                                So, agreed on this statement…
                                Nobody in this forum that I have noticed, and myself in particular, claims USSR invented all evils of this world…

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                                  I would not call Russia an innocent country

                                  Sorry, are you stupid? What do you know the “innocent” state?
                                  I understand, many years of brainwashing – “Russia – evil!” make the result. God is a judge (no, I’m not a believer).

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