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Hello all from ex Trisquel and Trisquel-mini LXDE user.
LXLE worked great live but failed during install on this old HP.
Have set up AntiX-22 with Customised 5.10 kernel and LXDE desktop.
Trisquel got slower and slower over the years and latest V10 freezes now and again.
So this AntiX setup is as fast and light as Trisquel-mini LXDE v8 was – cool.
It has not frozen since install so quite happy….?
Don’t know whether to remove a lot of software or trash it and re-install minimum build?
How do I stop conky firing up? Do I do all of my app deletions with synaptic?
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Hello Andy.
Welcome to antiX Linux and the forum.
I don’t know how to write in English and I send my texts translated by the internet translator. I hope you can understand everything, if your native language is not English, please translate my original Brazilian Portuguese text directly into your language with the help of internet translators.
Regardless of your level of knowledge about GNU/Linux, I recommend you read these excellent tutorials created by @PPC:
What is antiX and how to try it out or install it.
Short essential how-to list for the complete Linux newbie.
How-to install applications – 2020 version.
How to: correctly use antiX forum.When I first started using antiX, I read the tutorials that PPC created, these readings saved me a lot of time and I think it saves time for any new antiX user. Your time will not be wasted with these readings, everything will seem to be much easier than you could imagine. You won’t waste your time searching the internet or even creating new topics, on the contrary, you will gain a lot of time with these readings.
I recommend you try out desktops that have “zzz” in their name. I usually use zzz-IceWM or zzz-JWM or zzz-Fluxbox (each of these desktops has its own characteristics and consumes more or less resources), zzzFM will be the default file manager for your desktop, it it is very similar to the other file managers of other GNU/Linux distributions and Windows XP. To access other antiX workspaces, click on Menu, Desktop, Other Desktops and click on the workspace name, instantly the workspace will be loaded.
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marcelocripe
(Original text in Brazilian Portuguese language)– – – – –
Olá Andy.
Seja bem-vindo(a) ao antiX Linux e ao fórum.
Eu não sei escrever em idioma Inglês e envio os meus textos traduzidos pelo tradutor da internet. Eu espero que você consiga compreender tudo, caso o seu idioma nativo não seja o Inglês, por favor, traduza o meu texto original em idioma Português do Brasil diretamente para o seu idioma com a ajuda dos tradutores da internet.
Independentemente do seu nível de conhecimento sobre GNU/Linux, eu recomendo você ler estes excelentes tutoriais criados pelo @PPC:
What is antiX and how to try it out or install it.
Short essential how-to list for the complete Linux newbie.
How-to install applications – 2020 version.
How to: correctly use antiX forum.Quando eu comecei a utilizar o antiX, eu li os tutoriais que o PPC criou, estas leituras me pouparam muito do meu tempo e acho que poupa o tempo de qualquer novo usuário do antiX. O seu tempo não será perdido com estas leituras, tudo parecerá ser muito mais fácil do que você poderia imaginar. Você não perderá o seu tempo com pesquisas na internet ou até mesmo em criar novos tópicos, ao contrário, você ganhará muito tempo com estas leituras.
Eu recomendo você experimentar as áreas de trabalho que possuem “zzz” em seu nome. Eu costumo utilizar o zzz-IceWM ou zzz-JWM ou zzz-Fluxbox (cada uma destas áreas de trabalho possuem características próprias e consomem mais ou menos recursos), o zzzFM será o gerenciador de arquivos padrão da sua área de trabalho, ele é muito semelhante aos outros gerenciadores de arquivos das outras distribuições GNU/Linux e do Windows XP. Para acessar as outras áreas de trabalho do antiX, clique no Menu, Área de Trabalho, Alternar Entre as Áreas de Trabalho e clique sobre o nome da área de trabalho, instantaneamente a área de trabalho será carregada.
Sempre que você precisar solicitar ajuda ou suporte técnico neste fórum, explique com detalhes o que está acontecendo, não economize as palavras, seja minucioso ao escrever, informe as características do seu computador, como a marca e o modelo. Se for possível, poste o resultado do comando $ inxi -Fxz do terminal, copie e cole aqui na mensagem do tópico que você for criar neste fórum.
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marcelocripe
(Texto original em idioma Português do Brasil)Hello Marcelo,
Thanks for extensive reply and the welcome.
Hope most of it was copy and paste?
Yes that zzz stuff is useful and very light so might give it a try soon. At first I was presented with that Roxy FM where you had to use multiple windows and could not copy multiple folders etc. It put my right off AntiX system as whole so quickly setup LXDE and happiness was instantly restored. PCManFM works solid and easy as ever and the “sudo pcmanfm” command allows root commands to access and edit user files – simple.
Have managed to completely remove conky and mtpaint yet synaptic won’t let me remove imagemagick for some reason – can I use the command line or will it mess things up? Will probably have to ignore the bloatware for now and just remove as much as I can from the menu lists – then decide if to do a minimal installation of AntiX.
Have installed Gimp but its interface is some dark theme without colour and I don’t know how to change this.
Thanks again to the devs for a fast and reliable OS – LXDE desktop with nouveau mesa graphics driver providing faultless direct rendering. Bought new battery and replaced drive with SSD – saving this lovely old laptop from the e-waste mountain.
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Olá Marcelo,
Obrigado pela extensa resposta e pela acolhida.
Espero que a maior parte tenha sido copiada e colada?
Sim, que o material zzz seja útil e muito leve, então pode ser uma tentativa em breve. No início me apresentaram aquela Roxy FM onde você tinha que usar várias janelas e não podia copiar várias pastas, etc. Isso me deixou fora do sistema AntiX como um todo tão rapidamente configurando o LXDE e a felicidade foi instantaneamente restaurada. O PCManFM funciona sólido e fácil como sempre e o comando “sudo pcmanfm” permite que os comandos root acessem e editem os arquivos do usuário – simples.
Ter conseguido remover completamente conky e mtpaint ainda sináptico não me deixa remover imagemagick por alguma razão – posso usar a linha de comando ou vai bagunçar as coisas? Provavelmente terá que ignorar o bloatware por enquanto e simplesmente remover o máximo que puder das listas de menu – então decida se devo fazer uma instalação mínima do AntiX.
Já instalei o Gimp, mas sua interface é um tema escuro sem cor e eu não sei como mudar isso.
Mais uma vez graças aos dispositivos para um sistema operacional rápido e confiável – o desktop LXDE com driver gráfico nouveau mesa fornece uma renderização direta sem falhas. Comprei uma nova bateria e substituí a unidade por SSD – salvando este lindo laptop velho da montanha do lixo eletrônico.Traduzido com a versão gratuita do tradutor – http://www.DeepL.com/Translator
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You talk of ‘bloatware’ and then install Gimp! 🙂
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
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marcelocripe
Hello Andy.
Hope most of it was copy and paste?
Yes, the welcome text I send was copied and pasted. However, I think that’s all I wish I would have gotten if I had posted for the first time in the “Welcome to antiX” area. At the time, in June 2020, I had no idea at the time that I was supposed to perform in the “Welcome to antiX” area. (Lots of laughter…)
Yes that zzz stuff is useful and very light so might give it a try soon. At first I was presented with that Roxy FM where you had to use multiple windows and could not copy multiple folders etc. It put my right off AntiX system as whole so quickly setup LXDE and happiness was instantly restored.
The default desktop is Rox-IceWM and it has ROX-Filer as its default file manager. The ROX-Filer which is not similar to any other file manager I know of. I myself have explained in this forum several times, and even to the creator of antiX, that the default desktop is Rox-IceWM makes the first contact with antiX frustrating, because the user is not obliged to guess that there are others two file managers (zzzFM which is a variant of SpaceFM and Midnight Commander) and which can switch to another desktop that has zzz at the beginning of its name. I usually say the following, “if the user who knew antiX and never had the opportunity to read the PPC tutorials and still managed to survive ROX-Filer and the standard Rox-IceWM desktop, he can be sure he passed the ‘test’ and will never want another distribution”. As, according to the creator of antiX, the default desktop will continue to be Rox-IceWM, I will continue to welcome people with this giant text. I hope you read all the PPC tutorials.
Have managed to completely remove conky and mtpaint…
Conky can be disabled on antiX startup.
synaptic won’t let me remove imagemagick for some reason – can I use the command line or will it mess things up?
Please create a new topic asking how to uninstall or remove imagemagick from antiX. Follow the guidelines I recommended on creating a new topic. I believe that one of the experts will be able to help you and the new topic will serve as a tutorial for other people.
Will probably have to ignore the bloatware for now and just remove as much as I can from the menu lists – then decide if to do a minimal installation of AntiX.
Don’t think that of antiX (bloatware), as PPC has written very well and several times on this forum, “antiX looks like a Swiss Army knife”. If you have advanced knowledge of Debian or other Debian-based distributions, perhaps the antiX base ISO is best for you. Or if you’re an expert at “black screen” commands in Terminal, the core or net ISOs will allow you to build EVERYTHING from the command line and without the GUI. But you will lose all the facilities that are ready in full ISO.
Have installed Gimp but its interface is some dark theme without color and I don’t know how to change this.
This kind of detail I don’t know how to solve. But it is possible to change the antiX Theme, click on antiX Menu, Settings, Themes. Click on a theme from the long list of options that are in alphabetical order.
saving this lovely old laptop from the e-waste mountain.
Planet Earth thanks you, even if the planet doesn’t know how to speak. If planet Earth knew how to talk, it would certainly ask the human being “Why do you fill with garbage and destroy the only planet in the solar system that allows you to breathe, drink water, grow your food, receive sunlight and still reproduce “.
Thanks to antiX, all computers that are considered junk by Windows are “revived” with antiX here in Brazil.– – – – –
Olá Andy.
Hope most of it was copy and paste?
Sim, o texto que eu envio de boas-vindas foi copiado e colado. Contudo, eu acho que é tudo que eu queria ter recebido se eu tivesse postado pela primeira vez na área “Welcome to antiX”. Na época, em junho de 2020, eu não tinha ideia na época que era para eu me apresentar na área “Welcome to antiX”. (Muitos risos…)
Yes that zzz stuff is useful and very light so might give it a try soon. At first I was presented with that Roxy FM where you had to use multiple windows and could not copy multiple folders etc. It put my right off AntiX system as whole so quickly setup LXDE and happiness was instantly restored.
A área de trabalho padrão é a Rox-IceWM e possui o ROX-Filer como o seu gerenciador de arquivos padrão. O ROX-Filer que não é semelhante a nenhum outro gerenciador de arquivos que eu conheço. Eu mesmo já expliquei neste fórum várias vezes, e inclusive ao criador do antiX, que a área de trabalho padrão é a Rox-IceWM faz com que o primeiro contado com o antiX seja frustante, pois o usuário não é obrigado a advinhar que existem outros dois gerenciadores de arquivos (zzzFM que é uma variante do SpaceFM e o Midnight Commander) e que pode mudar para uma outra área de trabalho que possui zzz no incício do seu nome. Eu costumo dizer o seguinte, “se o usuário que conheceu o antiX e nunca teve a oportunidade de ler os tutorias do PPC e ainda conseguiu sobreviver ao ROX-Filer e a área de trabalho padrão Rox-IceWM, pode ter certerza que foi aprovado no ‘teste’ e nunca irá querer outra distribuição”. Como, segundo o criador do antiX, a área de trabalho padrão continuará sendo o Rox-IceWM, eu continuarei recebendo as pessoas com este texto gigante. Eu espero que você leia todos os tutorias do PPC.
Have managed to completely remove conky and mtpaint…
O Conky pode ser desativado na inicialização do antiX.
synaptic won’t let me remove imagemagick for some reason – can I use the command line or will it mess things up?
Por favor, crie um novo tópico perguntando como desinstalar ou remover do antiX o imagemagick. Siga as orientações que eu recomendei sobre como criar um novo tópico. Eu acredito que um dos especialistas irão poder te ajudar e o novo tópico servirá de tutorial para outras pessoas.
Will probably have to ignore the bloatware for now and just remove as much as I can from the menu lists – then decide if to do a minimal installation of AntiX.
Não pense isso do antiX (bloatware), como o PPC já escreveu muito bem e várias vezes neste fórum, “o antiX se parece com um canivete suíço”. Se você possui conhecimentos avançados no Debian ou em outras distribuições baseadas no Debian, talvez a ISO base do antiX seja melhor para você. Ou se você for um especialista em comandos na “tela preta” do Terminal, as ISOs core ou net permitirão a você construir TUDO a partir a linha de comando e sem a interface gráfica. Mas você perderá todas as facilidades que estão prontas na ISO full.
Have installed Gimp but its interface is some dark theme without colour and I don’t know how to change this.
Este tipo de detalhe eu não sei como resolver. Mas é possível alterar o Tema do antiX, clique no Menu do antiX, Configurações, Temas. Clique sobre um tema da longa lista de opções que está em ordem alfabética.
saving this lovely old laptop from the e-waste mountain.
O planeta Terra te agradece, mesmo o planeta não sabendo falar. Se o planeta Terra soubesse falar, certamente iria perguntar ao ser humano “Por que você enche de lixo e detroi o único planeta do sistema solar que permite você respirar, beber água, plantar o seu alimento, receber a luz do sol e ainda se reproduzir”.
Graças ao antiX, todos os computadores que são considerados lixo eletrônico pelo Windows, são “revividos” com o antiX aqui no Brasil.You talk of ‘bloatware’ and then install Gimp!
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Yup – quality over quantity 🙂Is there an image manipulator that most AntiX users prefer – that has similar capabilities?
Still using (WinXP-Pro) Photo Plus from Serif since before 1995 – Now Affinityhttps://affinity.serif.com/en-gb/photo/
Yes – superb uk software – OMG 🙂
Thanks again Marcelo – think I’m taking too much of your time, so many thanks 🙂
Don’t think that of antiX (bloatware), as PPC has written very well and several times on this forum, “antiX looks like a Swiss Army knife”
I take your observations at face value – it sure is a Swiss Army Knife – was aghast at the menu lists with some extending further than screen height. This made looking for what I wanted into a full search though there is no menu search like Gnome has. So will leave alone for now in case I find something useful? Never found an image manipulator like Gimp in those long lists…!:)
Thanks to antiX, all computers that are considered junk by Windows are “revived” with antiX here in Brazil.
Glad you like 🙂 Gave a lovely old Toshiba 2GiB RAM during Covid, to local primary school with Trisquel OS
PPC
there is no menu search like Gnome has
antiX has a similar function to that (but it’s slow on old computers): app-select – it’s in the favorites, on the top of the menu, with the magnifying glass icon..
It allows you to search (and launch) any installed application (that has a .desktop file), by name and/or description…For integrated “in menu” app search, you can install and configure ft10-transformation – it has a customized jgmenu, with 2 layouts, both with integrated app search,,, (look around for ft10 here in the forum to get a feel for it).
Edit: I’ve suggested, some times before, here in the forum, to place app-select’s menu entry on the top of the menu- since it’s where most people expect to see a “search apps” icon- you can do that in your system- that way, if you summon the menu and press enter, you launch app-select- an intuitive way to search for apps,
Other great way to search and launch apps is installing and configuring rofi as a app searcher/launcher- it’s not as good as app-select, in what concerns search trough app’s descriptions, but it launches instantly in any computer (even a potato)
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seaken64
Hi Andy, welcome to antiX.
Why don’t you also try out Fluxbox? LXDE is not directly supported by the antiX system, although it does work fine. When you make changes to the system, such as updates and installing software, the antiX subsystem directly supports IceWM, Fluxbox, and JWM.
I find Fluxbox easier to modify menus and such. But everyone has their own preferrences. That’s one of the things that makes antiX so good. It is versatile and modifiable. PPC’s ft10-transformation may also suite you.
I laughed just like anti when you said you were getting rid of bloat and then installing GIMP. But I just use antiX out of the box. Yes, menus can get a little long sometimes. But you set up the personal menu to have just your favorites. I tend not to remove a lot of stuff so that I don’t have to do too much maintenance on my own. I just let the antiX devs decide how to do the maintenance of the system. But that’s just my preference. A lot of folks here remove what they see as bloat and create their own remaster.
Seaken64
My tip about making your icewm menu more usable would extend to commenting out stuff you don’t use. I did that, but I also brought all the default app categories to the first layer of the menu, they all apps are easier to get to- it’s the best of both worlds- all of antiX’s tools, starting with app-select, then Terminal, File Manager and Text editor; followed by every category of available apps (antiX, Development, Games, etc), then Recent Files (handy if you use it, if not, comment that sub-menu out), Control Center (and you can comment out the Switch Desktops submenu, the Conky entry, etc)- you get an incredibly complete and fast menu, without any “bloat”.
On “Bloat” – if you don’t use LibreOffice, maybe you should use the base .iso, but you’ll be missing some scripts, etc- my advice? Stick with the full iso, comment stuff you don’t need from the menu, but don’t purge any packages (except LibreOffice that’s massive, if you don’t use it- OnlyOffice’s appimage is about as handy as LO, and it’s all in a single file- you can also find official LO appimages for downloading – using them allows you to have a lean system, AND an office suit, for the times that you need it.- By the way, I also use Gimp’s appimage).
In my opinion, except if you are running antiX live from a tiny usb, you gain nothing in removing the default packages, and you may be in trouble if you end up something (app or dependency that you may need later)… If you really insist on having the “lightest” possible system – sure, use lighter antiX .isos!P.
ModdIt
At first I was presented with that Roxy FM where you had to use multiple windows and could not copy multiple folders
Er it is not windoze, multiple desktops are very useful, regarding rox it seems I am misssing something, nobody in a
user group ever complained about it. once they had figured out how to use it. If you need LO Full by all means, problem
is for full functionality it needs java and the debian version does not play well with that. Base needs a LO approved
Java run time environment.You complain about bloat but install LXDE, if you take the time to figure out why antiX is setup the way it is and the
many advantages it offers, to have a choce of applications and desktop environments is often more than useful.LXDE makes the I5 Nvidia Tesla box I an using daily feel slow to react after more than two years with a highly customized
and semi automated ICEWM.
I was forced to do an LXDE setup a short while ago, the user regretted the change even more than me :-).
Now back to efficiency.Hey PPC thanks for the advice – have loaded app-find and it is now on my menu. I wanted to clear memory cache but app find gave zero results – so guess back to LX Terminal and command line?
Have seen ft10-transformation mentioned many times but haven’t a clue what it is or does but will check it out when I have knocked my system into shape. I am now using this old HP laptop as my daily kit – and leaving my more powerful Dell Latitude E6420 i7 with Zorin OS Gnome to have a rest for a while 🙂 I also still use WinXP-Pro and Tails+Tor live for security, privacy and deep dark web!Hi seaken64 – yes everyone has their favourites – mine is LXDE. If I see a thousand people heading in one direction I instinctively head along another path of my own choosing 🙂 Now that you have had your laugh at bloat = Gimp – Er what do you suggest for image manipulation? Surely not pre-installed mtpaint (joke) 🙂
Sorry Moddit I do not know what “LO” is (or the other headers in comment dialogue box ?) However I have to take issue with…..
LXDE makes the I5 Nvidia Tesla box I an using daily feel slow to react after more than two years with a highly customized
and semi automated ICEWM.
I was forced to do an LXDE setup a short while ago, the user regretted the change even more than me :-).
Now back to efficiency.As you have seen with Trisqel-mini LXDE using 117MiB RAM and now my AntiX-22 LXDE using 220MiB RAM (see screenshot) I am undoubtedly running light, efficient and very fast. I have proved this many times on four computers. Yes if you strip away the desktop and and mess about with WMs you may save a tiny amount MiB RAM but at the expense of usability unless perhaps in the hands of WM experts – hey just look at RoxyFM 🙂 can’t copy multiple folders – must do one at a time – how slow is that? see screenshot. LXDE’s PCManFM gets the job done with one click in one window of one desktop – neat 🙂 Speed and Efficiency personified 🙂 Thanks AntiX devs… 🙂
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If you don’t like rox-filer, use zzzFM.
Maybe you should try the iceWM/zzzFM combination.Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
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