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seaken64
FYI, I have several old systems using less than 100MB at startup. I get rid of a lot of the stuff that I don’t need at startup.
Also, you can install and run PCManFM just fine without installing LXDE. You can then set it as your default/favorite if you want.
Sorry, don’t know of many image manipulation programs for Linux. I’ve never used that application on Linux. But we can look at “AlternativeTo” website for some ideas. Krita? Several others listed.
Seaken64
PPC
Sorry Moddit I do not know what “LO” is
L.O. – LibreOffice
Have seen ft10-transformation mentioned many times but haven’t a clue what it is or does
You can look for FT10’s thread here in the forum or checkout it’s “homepage” here- https://gitlab.com/antix-contribs/ft10-transformation/-/blob/main/README.md
It’s basically a way to keep the default antiX window managers and still have a “modern looking” desktop – it includes a menu that can be configured to look like Windowz10 (and almost Windows 11, if you remove the tiles) or more like KDE – with a categories menu. Both menu layouts include Preferred/Favourite/Pinned apps (easily editable via a GUI), followed by a alphabetically ordered list of all available apps, with a short description ( extracted from the .desktop of the app). You can search all apps (by name and/or description) straight from the menu – to me, it’s faster and more intuitive to use than any other menu I’ve ever seen ( hum… I configured it accordingly to my needs, so it’s 100% perfect to me)
The toolbar includes quick-launch icons (also easily editable) and real time previews of all windows, a CPU/RAM indicator (that, to me, makes conky unecessary), a quicklauncher for Connman, a costumized volume app, a clock (that allows acces to a calendar that you can add events to, and also a world clock, a timer and a stopwatch) and, to the right of the click, an option that allows you to “show desktop”.
It includes Weather, News and Translator apps (that work without the need for a browser, so, they run great on PC’s that can’t handle the modern web).
It also costumizes zzzfm File Manager, adding the default shortcuts (documents, music, etc) a trash can and a few other extras (like easy access to Google Drive and to Samba2 shared folders).
The only “missing” features it that you can’t change the size of the menu/toolbar (but can edit their colours and fonts) nor drag and drop apps to the favourites/toolbar – you have to use GUI’s to manage the favourites that appear on the menu and the toolbar.
On the other hand, you have features that were just now introduced to the biggest OS in the World – a fully featured tabbed File Manager and the ability to drag a file to a program that’s running on the toolbar – and all that running, on idle, on less then 200mb of RAM (and 1 to 2% of CPU usage even on an old 32bits laptop)I made it so antiX, without any extra use of system resources can be just as easy to use and feature rich as an Android Device or Windows 10/11 (since most people are used to those OSes).
It’ a tiny download, and you can enable and disable it freely, for each of the 3 default floating window managers…
Even if you don’t enable FT10, if you install it, you can still have access to all it’s scripts and goodiesP.
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ModdIt
Hi Andy,
sorry regarding LO, it is very often used instead of full name.PCmanFM seems unmaintained since last release February 19, 2021
zzfm is a very worthy successor.
There is no real alternative to gimp, darktable is usable either stand alone or for
working with Raw Images. You can make a lot of corrections more easily and do non
destructive edits with it as well as automate.Please do not get worried about comments and input, its your computer.
Unless you have used ICEWM and explored for a longer period you will never learn how fast and
powerful it is. Fluxbox is also extremely powerful and customizable.
The PPC Transformation pack well worth checking out. The tools are awesome work and very much
appreciated.When I compare ICE to the full desktop it is not about ram at start, I autostart claws at login,
it downloads fresh mail. Palemoon starts ready to use on desktop 2 at a given window size near
fullscreen. For me and many others ICE scores no 1 for its speed flexibility and too many comfort
features to count.banned
Hey All – thank you for all you well intentioned input – all of it is very useful to determine which options suit my simple requirements. For example Ft10-Trans is highly recommended so I followed the links kindly given to the gitlab readme and was horrified to see the screenshot of a Win10 looking Linux so full of clutter – the exact opposite of what I want. It came as no surprise to see confirmation of my guess as I zoomed in on the bottom right corner – see my screen clip below – to find CPUs at 50% with memory used 1142 MiB RAM. Yes folks, real figures OMG 🙂
As you can see with LXDE using HALF of that RAM, I have got Gimp open editing a logo, AbiWord open with document, printers, Web-Browser with second tab actually playing an embedded video. If you look at the live performance monitor it is showing CPU at 18% and Memory at 7% of the Dell’s 8GiB RAM = 560MiB. This is efficiency IMHO. Anyone can easily replicate this tiny experiment and post results 🙂
https://www.antixforum.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/minimax-RAMused-04.png
PCManFM has a Trash Can – also I have no need for calendar, clocks, cloud, debinstaller, maps, news, translate or weather to give my location and other personal data to! I can go to the best sites for the best info with a tap on my GrapheneOS phone or with one click browser bookmark within AntiX-22 LXDE. For example the Met Office gives out official weather warnings – so their forecast page is one of my browser bookmarks – light, simple and accurate!
You may understand when I recount the purchase of my used Dell Latitude E6420 i7 8GB RAM laptop from a small local shop. I said that I would buy it if they would install Linux alongside Win10. It came with Ubuntu 17 or 18 installed for me and after buying an ubuntu guide magazine I became used to the system. After six months Win10 had not been used at all so it got wiped – Hooray 🙂
This experience allowed me to rescue my love-hate HP G60 laptop running dreadful Vista Home Premium which had lost support and almost ground to a halt. Awful – yet after installing Trisquel v7 it was so fast and reliable I was over the moon 🙂 So much so I bought her a new battery and replaced the HDD with new SSD storage.Just for the fun of it, against all advice, I installed Trisquel-mini LXDE onto the Dell and loaded every heavy app I could think of to try and break it – it ran faultlessly until v10 so then I installed Manjaro, then Endeavour amongst many, ending up with the very polished professional free version of Zorin OS Gnome mainly so that I could watch digital TV reliably whilst in our Mobile-Home RV. ZorinOS does freeze and lock up occasionally requiring you to crash out – power off.
Now that we have that tiny Roku Express thingy that converts any old TV, the old Dell is now an experimental laptop once again 🙂 as thanks to those AntiX-22 devs I now have a very stable HP G60 laptop as the daily kit along with GrapheneOS Pixel 3a phone. As you guys know a little tweaking and slimming will make the HP even better – I’m so happy right now – I can chill and play with the Dell at my leisure 🙂 (OAP 72) old age pensioner! Never liked ubuntu with Win10 only a faded distant memory or should I say; nightmare Vista OMG 🙂
Hey; I know you guys are WM pros and love those file managers. I have dealt with Roxy so I once again fired up zzzFM which looks like it was influenced by LXDE’s PCManFM with same shortcuts – cool, light and fast – but just tried to shift select a group of folders as I would normally, only to find that it just opens the first folder selected. Okay there may be a double click setting somewhere?…PCmanFM seems unmaintained since last release February 19, 2021
…. so if it ain’t broke no need to fix it – PCManFM does everything efficiently straight out of the box 🙂 Why would I want anything else?
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@andy – I almost didn’t respond to your post. I do so because I don’t want people that search for Ft10 in the forum read your opinion and take it seriously…
Point 1 – you’re completely free to use whatever software you want to use.
Point 2- You were told that one of the way FT10 can be used is with a GUI that provides a GUI similar to Windows10
(the other option is a “classic menu” with categories, as I mentioned- you can even keep the Windowz10 like menu and disable the “Tiles”, all from the GUI- it’s the way -I usually use it)
Point 3- Assumptions are the mothers of all f… hum… messes – The guy that created ft10 tells you this:and all that running, on idle, on less then 200mb of RAM (and 1 to 2% of CPU usage even on an old 32bits laptop)
(To be fully honest, on my 32bits laptop, antiX + FT10 + conky uses about 100Mb – mem and conky disagree on the correct value- mem says it’s a little less than 100mb, Conky says it’s a little over 100Mb- with a compositor running on the background, hell I have 1gig of RAM, I like to squander all that free resources on a little eye candy)
And you miss interpreted a screen shot of a system running some 20 tabs open in Firefox…Point 4- you were told that the weather, translation and news apps do not require a browser – you do you assume (wrongly) that they violate your privacy – I created the scripts myself – they are front ends for CLI tools, that, as far I can I can tell don’t share much info on you- no “cookies” at all (with the exception of the “weather app” that calculates your location from your IP to make a request to the CLI service wttr.in). None of those scripts run on the background – they just run when you click them – you don’t want to use them, then, don’t use them. And, as far as I know, OpenStreetMaps (the “Maps” menu entry simply launches that web page) is the most private way to get routes between any 2 places on earth.
Please note this: I do not criticize you opinion on the menu that is in ft10’s screenshot looks too “bloated” or not – that is a subjective option that I respect (but, as I said, there are several possible menus – I choose that one just to exemplify how Ft10 can be used to make Windows10 refugees feel at home in antiX, AND still use about the same system resources (or in some cases, even less) than the default antiX setup requires.
Stick with whatever you want – just don’t make unfounded assumptions about someone’s else work that may induce other people in error.P.
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Brian Masinick
Thanks PPC! Those of us here who are regulars know how much time, effort, and consideration for people you put into the FT10 tool.
Those who don’t know: 1) It’s an OPTIONAL tool, it’s not mandatory, 2) if you need extra conveniences without adding many HIGH OVERHEAD tools and apps, THEN FT10 is a good choice.
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Brian MasinickI do so because I don’t want people that search for Ft10 in the forum read your opinion and take it seriously…
I will not break the rules as you seem to be allowed – Quote: Respect other users. No flaming or abusing fellow forum members.
Surprised Brian did not point this out to you as he wrote it?Can I respond to PPC in similar fashion? Thanks
Brian Masinick
Rule No1 – Respect other users. No flaming or abusing fellow forum members.
So; please guys no more use these WMs or other FMs – at present they are not needed or wanted as I said: PCManFM does everything efficiently straight out of the box 🙂 Why would I want anything else?
Now I can get back to the Lotus Elise of desktops – yes; LXDE 🙂 Light and fast. Like most cars there is a simple standard interface as simple as a, b, c – accelerator, brake, clutch – even the clusters around the steering wheel have become standard such that anyone can drive any car 🙂 so it is with laptops aimed at the general public – a desktop interface.
No wonder it was selected as the interface for the Raspberry Pi.My AntiX22-LXDE interface for my old HP G60 2008 laptop is very easy to use, very fast and stable with zero hangs or freezes. Most stuff works fine with only one external hardware issue thus far:
Came to scan 14 pages of documents today only to find that the Document Scanner software could not detect any scanners even with wired USB plugged in. The scanner is part of my HP Deskjet 2540 printer. The printer was detected by USB a little while ago. Unable to resolve the issue I quickly fired up my Zorin Dell laptop which recognises this printer and scanner either by Wi-Fi or USB.So to be fair, honest and open I quickly did a live installation of AntiX-RoxIceWM on the Dell so as to be on the same machine. Again AntiX-RoxIceWM failed to detect my scanner – see screenshots. Hopefully the AntiX’s plethora of tools – the Swiss Army Knife – has a tool to rectify this….? Question is which one 🙂 ?
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anticapitalista
You’re beginning to bore me now.
Use whatever linux in any shape or form you want.If you have a question about antiX, just post it without all the other needless comment about lxde etc
Philosophers have interpreted the world in many ways; the point is to change it.
antiX with runit - leaner and meaner.
Brian Masinick
You’re beginning to bore me now.
Use whatever linux in any shape or form you want.If you have a question about antiX, just post it without all the other needless comment about lxde etc
Hurrah! Our founder has spoken! Keep in mind, he can produce WHATEVER he wants, you can use it or you can use something else.
We welcome people here from many walks of life but we’re here primarily to discuss the ways we make antiX work.
You are welcome to create your personal respin of antiX – as long as it is for personal use only – and then you can remake it with LXDE and PCManFM and whatever you want.A long time ago I took an antiX Core system and made a couple of different creations with antiX Core; one was an Xfce desktop environment; I think I even made a KDE respin of either antiX or one of the MX or MEPIS variants once upon a time; it was an EXERCISE, a personal one at that. I did share the experience, just to demonstrate that it could be done, but I don’t remember twisting anyone’s arm to do anything with it; these days I usually stick pretty close to the stock system, adding only a few personal scripts and alias commands for my own consumption; you’re more than welcome to do the same; just don’t expect many (or any) in the community to come along and take the same ride unless they happen to share a common interest, then, of course, they are welcome to do it with you.
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christophe
@Andy As said above, please stick to the issue. Regarding printing, see if these work:
Applications > System > package installer > priting > CUPS
Applications > System > package installer > printing > HPLIP and printing extrasconfirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019
First of all could I thank our Έλληνες (Hellenic) friend for making the wonderful LXDE environment work so well under AntiX-22 and for keeping it going. For me it is the best OS+desktop I have used thus far. I think our Chistophe is a fan too? But will not quote him here 🙂
I love the country, the Έλληνες and the food 🙂 having blasted around and over the Pindos mountains on my Triumph Bonneville back in ‘78 – going down to Kalabaka overnight after visiting the famous Meteora. Then South to Athens, Corinth, Loutraki to the village of Perachora to be greeted by a family who had adopted my mother as family. (she had learned to write and speak Greek) Then blasted across the Peloponnese in a heavy thunderstorm to Patras; up Italy non-stop, across France to Dover and Home.
see if these work:
Applications > System > package installer > priting > CUPS
Applications > System > package installer > printing > HPLIP and printing extrasSorry – drifted off piste a bit. Er No: think hp activation was already done but I checked the boxes anyway then rebooted. So Christophe; as I had said before, the printer is working fine under hpcups 3.21.2 – any other suggestions gratefully received.
As the same Canonical scanner software app is working fine under ZorinOS could I get some command line or other info from my ZorinOS Dell laptop to help you guys resolve this issue? Could I copy and paste some user files? Hopefully nothing too difficult for an OAP 🙂
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caprea
Is the user member of the scanner and saned groups ?
What’s the ouput of
scanimage -L
sane-find-scanner
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Hello Andy
Use your troubleshooting-trial minutes not with another system.Please test scanner against a antiX_full live default session,
because i have a live session successful discover scanner
Network hp DeskJet2600. not too different than yours. Ready to Scan.if live works, then look to compare for difference.
i hope it works so that you have a direction to look.You know what You like.
Your approach is rather old school. Did you ever raspberrypi?
antiX has no imagemagick. It has no lxde or hardinfo for that matter.
Doesn’t mtpaint do everything?
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