Hello All From UK – HP G60 3GiB RAM 2008

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First of all could I thank our Έλληνες (Hellenic) friend for making the wonderful LXDE environment work so well under AntiX-22 and for keeping it going. For me it is the best OS+desktop I have used thus far. I think our Chistophe is a fan too? But will not quote him here

Not clear who Andy is referring to as Hellenic friend as having accomplished the ‘wonderful LXDE environment under antiX 22’ but out of pure curiosity I installed LXDE on antiX 22 without libelogind0 per previously posted advice by anticapitalista.
My initial rudimentary observation is that antiX 22 with LXDE appears to have much larger memory footprint than pure antiX 22 /JWM or even antiX 22 /IceWM.
Initial memory use appears to be about 125M more in my rudimentary measurement on a basic test machine – Thinkpad X61, Core2Duo/4GB.
Part of such increase in memory requirements appears to be a significant number of initially started programs as visible in bottom right of the panel.
Theoretically taken though an interesting question would be a comparison of trimmed down LXDE, where all this ‘bloat’ has been removed. But in such case do we not end up with just pure antiX 22 with the Openbox WM? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding?

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Live antiX Boot Options (Previously posted by Xecure):
https://antixlinuxfan.miraheze.org/wiki/Table_of_antiX_Boot_Parameters

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ile wrote:

Hello Andy
Use your troubleshooting-trial minutes not with another system.

Not sure what you are getting at – I am a free spirit 🙂 even at 72 🙂

ile wrote:

Please test scanner against a antiX_full live default session,

because i have a live session successful discover scanner
Network hp DeskJet2600. not too different than yours. Ready to Scan.

Please read my topic posts carefully… see #92628 above 🙂

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So to be fair, honest and open I quickly did a live installation of AntiX-RoxIceWM on the Dell so as to be on the same machine. Again AntiX-RoxIceWM failed to detect my scanner – see screenshots. Hopefully the AntiX’s plethora of tools – the Swiss Army Knife – has a tool to rectify this….? Question is which one 🙂 ?

ile wrote:

You know what You like.
Your approach is rather old school.

Hey Ile – I am an OAP 🙂 72 year old pensioner; so old school methods suits me fine 🙂
Any methods that get me to the light fast Lotus machine is cool by me 🙂

ile wrote:

Doesn’t mtpaint do everything?

Love your sense of humor 🙂
Check out Affinity Photo software to see where you should be at! (from Nottingham)
Old school – Joke 🙂 Cheers – Andy

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Hi Caprea – Thanks for your reply – I think you may have identified the problem.
First:–

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Is the user member of the scanner and saned groups ?

There are no groups – I am the only user – if that is the correct answer to your question? Just looked at antix user manager for the first time and exited without changing anything.

Second:- Have not used these commands before – so thanks for the tip 🙂 Also went in as sudo – see both screenshots. It seems to find the scanner part of the HP deskjet? Should I grab the same information from my Zorin Dell? I suspect you have a solution or workaround 🙂 Thank you so much.

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Please post the terminal output of
groups

Does simple scan find the scanner if started as root from terminal ?
gksudo simple-scan

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Hello Andy

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There are no groups – I am the only user – if that is the correct answer to your question? Just looked at antix user manager for the first time and exited without changing anything.

Here’s what you are looking for (see attached screenshot). Start at No. 1.) and just follow the lines. It does exactly what caprea pointed you to already with the groups command on console, just in GUI, if you prefer it this way.

The change of membership will only take place after restarting the desktop session (a full reboot is not needed for this)

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Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

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Hi Caprea – Thanks once again for your reply 🙂 – groups output will mean more to you than me!

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Robin wrote:

Here’s what you are looking for (see attached screenshot). Start at No. 1.) and just follow the lines. It does exactly what caprea pointed you to already with the groups command on console, just in GUI, if you prefer it this way.

Hi Robin – thanks for the easy to follow picture guide to the group management 🙂
I apologise for interrupting your workflow and putting you into the Swap Zone – this is very kind of you.
As I said I closed without altering anything and have done so again. I clicked and chose user Andy – I could see that it looked the same as yours with scanner and user ticked. Trust this is okay? Or have I missed something?

BTW I had never seen this window before – see attached.

Danke vielmals

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@Andy (and all, that notice the same thing)- There is no “Repair Tab” – it seems that was incorrectly written in the script – The possibility to Repair entries is available under the second tab, “Options”, in the second rectangle with options.

P.

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caprea wrote:

Please post the terminal output of
groups

Does simple scan find the scanner if started as root from terminal ?
gksudo simple-scan

Just to come BACK to this informative post, I just did exactly as this suggested:
FIRST I opened a terminal emulator window
SECOND I typed in groups

Here is the output I received:

masinick root daemon bin sys adm disk lp dialout cdrom floppy sudo audio dip www-data shadow utmp video plugdev users messagebus ssh input netdev lpadmin scanner saned

THIRD I typed in the next suggestion:
gksudo simple-scan

This opened up the Document Scanner. I don’t have anything set up, but at least the Document Scanner tool appeared. To actually scan, you have to have images/content and the scanner interface. We can see above that the necessary groups (and more) ARE set up, but the one thing lacking are items to scan…

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I believe you need to be member of group saned as well to make it work. Your sudo sand-find-scanner screenshot shows, there was a USB scanner found when running the command sudoed.

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I apologise for interrupting your workflow and putting you into the Swap Zone

No need to apologise, it wasn’t you driving this 2GB RAM Notebook into swapping. If you looking carefully you’ll notice there is plenty of free RAM left while the screenshot was taken and edited. No, this had happend before, when I experimented with Pulseaudio on this system. And as you can see on my screenshot, this pulse thing has parked its traces everywhere on the system, and they won’t get reset after uninstalling pulse; there are two pulse related groups still present. And mpv now constantly needs explicitely called with mpv –audio-device=alsa, otherwise it tries to access a nonexistent pulse device, resulting in no sound… But that’s all not relevant here.

Windows is like a submarine. Open a window and serious problems will start.

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Robin wrote:

I believe you need to be member of group saned as well to make it work. Your sudo sand-find-scanner screenshot shows, there was a USB scanner found when running the command sudoed.

Aha – whilst searching; Robin has pipped me: 🙂 Hey thanks Robin – will give it a try.

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This opened up the Document Scanner. I don’t have anything set up, but at least the Document Scanner tool appeared. To actually scan, you have to have images/content and the scanner interface. We can see above that the necessary groups (and more) ARE set up, but the one thing lacking are items to scan…

Brian – IMHO you do not seem to understand the issue. It could be that anyone and everyone can go through those terminal commands and ultimately launch simple scan from the command line and the simple-scan window will appear – as to whether it detects a scanner or not, as in my case – is the issue. Zorin can connect to my scanner via Wi-Fi or wired USB without me having to give any permissions or modify any sys or lib files.

However; having some spare time after dinner I noticed in your post, that you had “saned” in your group whereas Robin and I do not. My 72 year old brain could not let this go 🙂 so had to search our forum for content where “saned” featured – and found this….

https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/network-scanner-working-in-antix-17-not-in-antix-19/

… however the old brain could not ascertain if the problem had a solution for all their computers…? Hope this does not confuse you guys too 🙂 please; or you may end up as insaned as me or at least xsaned – Gah – Duh..!

Quote: “Right, xsane and scanimage are both distinct from saned. They can be used without saned running.” Duh, my brain hurts 🙂 (Monty Python)

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banned wrote:

No need to apologise, it wasn’t you driving this 2GB RAM Notebook into swapping

Phew! I felt awful so thanks for putting me right 🙂

Apparently my HP G60 has 2+1 = 3GiB RAM – Wow..! because back then there was a surplus of 1.0GiB Memory boards.
Though I have not attempted video editing 🙂

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$ pstree
init─┬─acpid
├─at-spi-bus-laun─┬─dbus-daemon
│ └─3*[{at-spi-bus-laun}]
├─at-spi2-registr───2*[{at-spi2-registr}]
├─avahi-daemon───avahi-daemon
├─bluetoothd
├─connmand
├─cron
├─cupsd
├─3*[dbus-daemon]
├─2*[dbus-launch]
├─2*[dconf-service───2*[{dconf-service}]]
├─devmon───udevil
├─elogind-daemon
├─gconfd-2
├─6*[getty]
├─gpm
├─gvfs-udisks2-vo───3*[{gvfs-udisks2-vo}]
├─gvfsd─┬─gvfsd-trash───2*[{gvfsd-trash}]
│ └─2*[{gvfsd}]
├─haveged
├─menu-cached───2*[{menu-cached}]
├─ntpd───{ntpd}
├─polkitd───2*[{polkitd}]
├─rpc.idmapd
├─rpc.statd
├─rpcbind
├─saned───saned
├─seatd
├─slimski─┬─Xorg───5*[{Xorg}]
│ └─desktop-session───lxsession─┬─lxpanel─┬─lxterminal─┬─bash───ps+
│ │ │ └─3*[{lxter+
│ │ ├─oosplash─┬─soffice.bin+++
│ │ │ └─{oosplash}
│ │ ├─x-www-browser─┬─Isolat+
│ │ │ ├─2*[Iso+
│ │ │ ├─Isolat+
│ │ │ ├─RDD Pr+
│ │ │ ├─Socket+
│ │ │ ├─Utilit+
│ │ │ ├─3*[Web+
│ │ │ ├─WebExt+
│ │ │ └─97*[{x+
│ │ └─3*[{lxpanel}]
│ ├─lxpolkit───2*[{lxpolkit}]
│ ├─openbox───2*[{openbox}]
│ ├─pcmanfm───2*[{pcmanfm}]
│ └─2*[{lxsession}]
├─smartd
├─ssh-agent
├─sshd
├─udevd
├─udisksd───4*[{udisksd}]
├─volumeicon
└─wpa_supplicant
Andy@antix1:~

Note saned in tree (twice?)

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Based on https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/network-scanner-working-in-antix-17-not-in-antix-19/

It is possible, perhaps likely, that the configuration file for the device in question could be either
1) missing
2) inaccurate
or
3) duplicates

That is one area to check and either confirm any issues or rule it out as a source or THE source of the problem.

Anyone else have enough experience to add more accurate wisdom and diagnostic skills for scanners?

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A few things you could try:
Some hp models require a proprietary plugin to use the scanner.It’s easy to install with
hp-plugin -i
Please choose d for download when asked and enter.

Afterwards plug the usb in and out for testing or reboot.

Another thing that might be worth trying is to create an udev rule for the scanner.
Edit as root the /lib/udev/rules.d/60-libsane1.rules and add a rule for your printer

# Hewlett-Packard DeskJet 2540
 ATTRS{idVendor}=="0x03f0", ATTRS{idProduct}=="0xc211", ENV{libsane_matched}="yes"

Please notice that the line on the right is still continued.

Maybe someone else with an HP device will get in touch.Good luck!

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