How to tell the system to use Kwin when I run a Plasma session

[Member discipulus]

After installing KDE, I logged out, selected Plasma as the session, but upon boot am met with a menu to select window managers, none of which are Kwin

How do I tell antiX that I wanna go full Plasma please?

[Member ModdIt]

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Hi discipulus, recommend you read what antiX is about.

If you want to make a kde desktop distro out of it I can only say have fun,
that also applies to the rest of our group as we all are fine with the Lightweight solutions
we already have.

Instead of asking others in the forum to do the work for you, Use a search engine of your choice and start learning.

[Member Xecure]

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discipulus wrote:

but upon boot am met with a menu to select window managers, none of which are Kwin

You have already switched to plasma. That is an informative window explaining that the desktop-session program antix uses is not fully compatible with this WM or DE. Click “Disable Window” so it doesn’t show anymore.

You could also get a better KDE experience if you start from antiX core. See this video series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HAEb5LAnIE&list=PLTRkAa6x1htVkf5ObKGY2uFZfFwaIY7-W

antiX Live system enthusiast.
General Live Boot Parameters for antiX.

[Member discipulus]

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I’m not allergic to learning things for myself. Since the age of 4 I have used computers and figured out everything I now know how to do without needing much assistance from anyone else.

The trouble is that the information is not so readily available as people sometimes make out.

I DID perform a number of searches about this issue already, but can’t manage to find anything. Like the saying goes, if you don’t know exactly what you’re looking for…

It can be hard to construct search strings that give one the answers one seeks…

I am used to using ‘pstree’ to see how everything fits together. On heavyweight DEs, one can see the hierarchy of the Session Manager, Display Manager, Window Manager, etc. and understand it a little better.

TLDR: I do WANT to learn, and I do really like what this distro is offering me so far. I just don’t feel it’s appropriate to be told that I should be finding stuff out for myself rather than asking questions. No one is obliged to help me, but I could use a little scaffolding at first 🙂

[Member ModdIt]

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As you write,
I just don’t feel it’s appropriate to be told that I should be finding stuff out for myself rather than asking questions. No one is obliged to help me, but I could use a little scaffolding at first 🙂

What i tried to explain to you is we use antiX, means most everybody on the forum with lightweight desktops as delivered, odd person perhaps XFCE.

What you are trying to do is so far away from the original distro that you are likely to be pretty much on your own.

beating around the bush is not my thing.

[Member discipulus]

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Fair enough. Wanting to see if I could get the Plasma desktop up and running is not my priority. IceWM looks very nice anyway

[Member ModdIt]

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I think once you figure out how to make “your desktop” out of it you will be happy with Icewm,
it is extremely configurable, fast, light, very stable, pretty much fully developed.
Any bugs which may crop up get fixed pretty quickly.
Can highly recommend it.

Loads of info and help with customising and setup here in forum threads. Lot with BobC who has
really helped me to get an efficient and good looking master setup for a number of users.

After the next stable version has been out a while you might find more interest in giving plasma
a try, right now bug hunting and figuring out how to tame runit is at least for most of us the name
of the game. Sysv version not to be forgotten.

[Moderator christophe]

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But, to tie this up nicely.. IF you want to play around with having KDE plasma on antiX, do as Xecure suggeted above. Start as guided through the video series by dolphin_oracle, starting from the antiX core version.

(I’ve done it, and I discovered something: I discovered that I don’t like KDE very much!) 😉

• This reply was modified 1 year, 10 months ago by christophe.

confirmed antiX frugaler, since 2019

[Member discipulus]

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Is there a role for bug-hunting for someone that doesn’t know so much about all this?

I would happily share my experiences. I have a wide usage profile

[Member ModdIt]

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Often new users are the ones to find important bugs we hardly notice, anyway especially important with
regard to the beta versions please do join in. Really good is in my experience getting windoze users
to install linux. Often the disbelief is amazing, Install finished in about 10 minutes from a master stick
against an endlessly long day with win 10, followed by hours of blocked computer during out of controll updates.

I agree with christophe, I was a kde user until it turned in to bloated mess, tried the newer versions.
Like icewm far more.

[Member discipulus]

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Just to be clear, I’m not a KDE fanboy. In fact, the reason I came to antiX was because in over 6 months of CONSTANT SEARCH, I was not able to find a KDE distribution that JUST WORKED, for my usage profile, without breaking after seconds/minutes/hours/days/weeks [delete as appropriate].

So you have KDE to thank for my arrival (whether that’s a blessing or curse for the antiX community is yet to be seen 😀 )

I’m really liking JWM, it’s very cool

Also, antiX might be the gateway drug to other systems for me. In the last 2 days I’ve gone from someone interested in jumping ship from systemd, to being very interested in more and more radical projects. I made 6x 10Gb partitions and am going to try: Obarun, Void, Adelie, Kwort, Trident, and keep one spare (maybe for Hyperbola when it switches to BSD base?)

I will probably keep this antiX system as my ‘main’ while I check out those others, and in any case it looks remarkably stable AND can live on a USB stick, so no reason to stop using it, that I can see

As for spotting bugs, I will have to get more familiar with the system before I know what is a bug and what is a feature.

Thanks all again

[Moderator Brian Masinick]

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I’m not completely against KDE. Years ago I used it a lot. In recent years, not nearly as much. It isn’t that I dislike it. Instead I do not require the features it offers for much of anything I do.

That said, I did, over the past year or so install a version of MX Linux that uses KDE. Like the original MEPIS from a LONG time ago, MX Linux has a pretty nimble, efficient implementation for their KDE. Do I NEED it? No. Do I use it? Yes, occasionally. Nevertheless, though I do not need it and I do not use it very often, I do not have anything personally against it.

I’m not a big fan of Microsoft or Apple software either. Personally, I rarely use either of them. On my own equipment, I don’t believe that I have anything other than perhaps a version of the Edge Web browser somewhere. My wife HAD Windows on an old computer. The computer pretty much chokes on the old version of Windows, bit I recently replaced Windows with a test version of Debian Bullseye, and believe it or not it still works, and though the system is old, the equipment itself is better built than many of the current generation of systems.

Here’s what I believe in deeply: CHOICE!

The choice to choose freely between proprietary hardware and software and systems that are made by design to encourage and promote choice.

For those who want to spend $1-2000 more per device to buy Apple Computer products, I say they should have the freedom to do so.
For those who want to pay the Microsoft tax to buy Microsoft Windows and whatever they offer on their latest supported systems, this should continue to be an option for as long as those people are willing to buy them.

On the commercial systems end, IBM has produced mainframe hardware and software for decades. There are some old, aging legacy systems that were first created while I was still in public school. For those who STILL either want or need to use these, this should also be a choice. I used to detest some of the old IBM mainframe hardware and software. However, with decades to test, refine, modify and improve, I have gained considerable respect for what it is today. Moreover, many of those same systems have been carefully and intelligently been rebuilt to function very well on commercial grade, professionally supported implementations of Linux software that may even employ a few of the people who may one day read something here. So this is yet another choice.

As for those of us here, we may have new or old equipment. More than likely, most of us have stuff that would be in a dust bin or trash receptacle somewhere if it were not because of the careful, lean, efficient and intelligent work performed by this project and some of the other Linux-related projects. Not all of our work comes directly from Debian, MX, MEPIS, etc. A few efforts in the past came through Absolute Linux; we have many things that our own community have written; we owe the collective works to many diverse groups of people all over the world.

What I am saying in many words and in many ways can be simply boiled down to freedom of choice, and I remain a firm believer in it. I prefer antiX, but it’s not my only software. I value choice and freedom and exercise it on a regular basis. In fact I am writing this inside of a text widget on the Firefox Web browser running in a KDE instance on MX Linux, and I’ve used PCLinuxOS and openSUSE many times over the years with either Xfce or KDE because I love choice and freedom.

May freedom reign always. Please value people both alike and different. Please respect others who use either similar tools or vastly different ones. At the end of the day our diversity makes our lives full of energy and lasting value.

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Brian Masinick

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Brian Masinick wrote:

May freedom reign always. Please value people both alike and different. Please respect others who use either similar tools or vastly different ones. At the end of the day our diversity makes our lives full of energy and lasting value.

Brian Masinick

Thank you for these good and wise words.

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am used to using ‘pstree’ to see how everything fits together.

The following is helpful toward tracing how the ankle bone is connected to the leg bone…

(tested with various window manager under SLiM, never tested with KWin)

Anonymous wrote:

reposted from https://www.antixforum.com/forums/topic/i-want-to-get-a-list-of-what-programs-i-run/#post-60151

snoopski logger provides a shared library (a libc execve() wrapper), as well as 2 utility scripts which enable/disable LD_PRELOAD injection of libsnoopski.
Configurable choice of logged details can be specified within /etc/snoopski.ini, useful toward performing light/heavy system monitoring, and toward gaining a good sense of what’s going on in the system (for example apache running many, and short-lived, cgi scripts).

cd /tmp && wget https://gitlab.com/skidoo/snoopski/snoopski_2.4.14_amd64.deb
sudo apt install /tmp/snoopski_2.4.14_amd64.deb
sudo snoopski-enable

followup:
1) logout + login (or, change to a fresh desktop session via desktopMenu } Other Desktops }

2) after launching several programs… view /tmp/snoopski.log

3) whenever you wish to deactivate snoopski, use the command “slimski-disable”

4) (optional) toward reducing logspam/noise (and toward further lean-n-meaning the system)
visit https://pastebin.com/raw/08nHqVRP and read about suggested optimizations to .conkyrc

5) At your leisure, skim/read file:///usr/share/doc/snoopski/snoopski_usage_guide.html

its output, per the as-shipped default configuration, looks like this:
https://pastebin.com/raw/bWMNyJDf
(that log snippet represents “what happens behind the scenes upon clicking desktopMenu } OtherDesktops”)

If you tinker with this, I’m curious to hear any blind spots (missed programs, or missed launch mechanisms) that you discover.

[Member discipulus]

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Amen, Brian.

Thanks for the cool tool, Skidoo

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